day. >> oh. i have never been to the south carolina area before. i'm sorry it was under these circumstances. what i have learned about the building behind us fought through it rebuilt, there is re resilience in these people. they are going to rebuild and link together to do it. >> we will do our best to watch that process. very good job to you both. thanks for doing such great work down there. it continues now with the news room and miss carol costello. >> thank you. newsroom starts now. >> happening now in the newsroom. >> they wanted segregation. >> inside the mind of the alleged gunman behind the charleston church massacre. >> he wanted to make something spark up the race war again. >> dylann roof in court in hours accused of killing nine people. >> he said, no, youbrokedown

women and you are taking over the country. >> is he a terrorist? the con federal flag still flying in the south carolina folks, it's heritage others hate. >> should it come down? plus -- >> we as a country, have to know it does not happen in other advanced countries. >> president obama calling for gun control, again. >> i have had to make statements like this too many times. >> will it get traction this time around? let's talk. live in the cnn news room. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. a community grieves in a nation weary of answers. new this morning, two law

enforcement officials tell cnn roof confessed to the shootings. the same sources say roof bought the .45 caliber handgun himself back in april. >> what do you have to say? >> today, americans will likely get a fresh look at the suspect 21-year-old dylann roof. his expected court appearance is unlikely to flush out the portrait of a troubled young man brisling for contempt for african-americans. he wears the flags of two governments. in another picture, he mugs in front of his car, the license plate with the confederate license plate of america. a florist recognized the car from news reports and trailed it for 30 minutes until police

could close in. >> i'm telling you, divine intervention. i'm telling you, god had me where i needed to be. i was afraid. i was scared. you know? i just kept saying, lord, you know if i can get there and do it safely. i wasn't going to put myself or anyone else in danger. if i can get his tag number. >> we are covering all angles of the story. let's focus on the suspect. nick valencia is live in charleston south carolina. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. dylann roof wakes up in a north carolina jail this morning after being captured 245 miles away from the site of the massacre at the church shooting at emanuel ame. today is supposed to be his first formal court appearance in south carolina. he already appeared in court in north carolina. we expect the murder charges to

be formalized. he will likely appear via video link because of the media frenzy. yesterday was all about finding him, exactly where he was, his where ants. that is complete today. we spoke to silvia johnson, whose friend survived the massacre on wednesday night. she may be able to provide insight. she talked about what her friend told her the conversations were like in the church before the shooting happened. >> what i heard is after shooting a couple rounds her son tried to talk him into not committing anymore acts of murder. >> her son tried to talk to -- >> he did. he tried to talk him down. he said no. you break down women and you are

taking over the country. >> you have raped our women and you are taking over the country? >> i have to do what i have to do. and he shot the young man. his mother was there and witnessed, she pretended as though she was dead shot and dead. but she watched her son fall and laid there. she laid there in his blood. >> cnn was also given exclusive video, perhaps the last vinnages of clementa pinckney alive. the images given to cnn show a small bible gathering. just 13 people in the bible study group, including the shooter. the unspeakable happening in this city. carol, many people are speaking about this and that's exactly thousand healing is happening here in charleston. we went to get a cup of coffee this morning and ran into a

local resident who was in tears talking about this praying over this and she speaks for so many in this community, a community that is relieved the suspect is now in custody, but still grieving after losing nine innocent lives in just an unspeakable tragedy. carol. >> nick valencia reporting live from charleston south carolina this morning. those who knew roof said he always ranted about race. listen to what a friend told abc's "nightline." >> he wanted segregation. he wanted to make something spark up the race war again. >> what kind of guns did he have? >> a .45 glock. >> did he carry it around? >> in his car. >> authorities are trying to figure out if roof had ties to white supremacists or hate groups. south carolina is home to nearly 20 hate groups including the ku

klux klan. south carolina is one of few states without hate crime law on the books. let's talk about this with cnn legal analyst. paul thanks for being here. roof is set to appear in court later this afternoon. what's going to happen there? >> well it's going to be not really the routine arraignment you would see in a criminal case because of the press interest and the security interest in the case. we are hearing it might be done by video, which is unusual. usually, the suspect is produced in court. in the end, though this is the start of a long process that is going to lead to a death penalty trial in south carolina. it's a state that has the death penalty. death penalty by lethal injection. e lek tricushion is a possibility possibility. you can forget about bail. there will be no bail in the case. the first thing is court is looking at is is he competent

to stand trial? when you look at a guilt pattern that is so clear, defense attorneys are looking at one defense, that's insanity. the first thing is court will be looking at is is he competent to stand trial? that's a very low hurdle. if he understands the charges against him and he can assist his attorney in his defense, he is competent to stand trial. >> if james holmes is competent to stand trial, this guy is. >> in terms of the amount of planning that had to go into this it seems he is quite competent. >> let's talk about the planning. a lot of people are saying he should be charged with domestic terrorism. he wanted to start a race war. he wanted segregation to become the law of the land again. so, should he be charged with domestic terrorism? >> my personal view is this is an act of terrorism. if you define it we think of it in terms of islamic terrorism.

what that is it's a murder of civilians to advance a political ideology. his ideology happens to be hatred of african-americans and black people. that's an act of terrorism. the second thing prosecutors look at is will that make my case harder to prove because right now they have a very easy murder case to prove. unless something comes up it looks like a clear cut case against him. it looks like he can insert insanity but he will never win with the insanity. if you add in terrorism and hate counts you will probably get convictions for those, but it makes the case more difficult to prove. the criminal justice system functions on two levels. the first is punishing the guilty. it also had to send a message. if people want it charged as a hate crime and an act of

terrorism, there might be sense to do that in the criminal justice system. that's something for elected officials to look at. >> paul, thank you so much. it was very clear, i appreciate that. let's focus on the victims. they were brought together by prayer and torn apart by violence and hatred. it's not how their legacy will be written. here is cnns, michaela pereira. >> emotional vigils held for the people gunned down. family and friends remembring the loved one who is were killed in a place of worship. ♪ >> reporter: from the heart of the tragedy in south carolina -- >> our hope is in god. >> reporter: to the historic walls of the ebenezer baptist chaurbaptist church in georgia. thousands came together to mourn. nine people killed wednesday

including four beloved reverends. daniel similar monowho is attended the church every sunday. 49-year-old depayne middleton-doctor who served in southern wesley university. 45-year-old reverend sharonda singleton pictured here with her son on mother's day. consoled by his teammates, chris singleton remembers his mom. >> we love the way my mom did. the hate won't be anywhere near what the love is. >> reporter: the leader of emanuel ame church was silenced gunned down as he preached. >> and to see him die face down in the ground. >> reporter: a state senator reverend pinckney was the youngest appointed to legislature. after the shooting of scott, he

led to the body cameras for police. >> a badge or gun does not give them superiority or trump their privileges and rights in south carolina. >> friends and family struggle to cope with the loss of so many inside the place of worship. tize wan sa sanders lost his life. cynthia hurd 54 years old, worked as a librarian. now, as a tribute to her service, it will be renamed in her honor. >> why would you do something like this. >> reporter: tim jackson mourning the loss of his grandmother, susie jackson. her cousin ethel lance also killed. myra thompson 59 she was quiching the bible study held each wednesday when the gunman opened fire. so important to remember those victims on this day. we should let you know there's another vigil being held tonight

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at ny.gov/business . as my husband said yesterday, simply saying that our thaugs and prayers are with the victims and families within the community of charleston doesn't convey the heart ache we all feel. we have seen too many tragedies like this. and there is something particularly horrifying about something that happened so senseless in a house of worship. so my heart goes out to the people of emanuel and to the

people of charleston. i pray for a community i know is in pain and with the hope that tragedies like these will one day come to an end. >> the first lady michelle obama offering her condolences to the victims of the shooting in charleston south carolina. for president obama, the deadly theme was all too familiar. the gunman ripping a hole through the community. the president stepped in front of cameras. senior white house correspondent jim acosta has more. >> it's a project that-- >> i have had to make statements like this too many times. >> the president and vice president knew the victims, the pastor of the church where the latest rampage occurred. the killings in charleston mr.

obama said should serve as an all too familiar wake-up call. >> it doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. and it is in our power to do something about it. >> reporter: but he has spoken out on mass shootings at least 14 times from ft. hood aurora newtown and the nation's capitol. one nearly took the life of congresswoman gabby giffords another happened at the movies. >> what if malia and sasha had been at the movie theater as many of our kids do every day. >> a day at sandy hook elementary. >> these tragedies must end. to end them we must change. >> reporter: the president pushed for a new measure that would require background checks on firearms sold at gun shows and online. >> gabby giffords deserves a

vote. the families of oak creek, tucson and the countless other communities ripped open by gun violence. they deserve a simple vote. >> reporter: after a lobbying effort the bipartisan proposal was defeated. >> the amendment is not agreed to. >> there were no coherent arguments as to why we wouldn't do this. it came down to politics. >> reporter: rand paul condemned the violence in charleston but argued more gun control isn't the answer. >> there's something terribly wrong, but it isn't going to be fixed by your government. >> reporter: jim acosta cnn, the white house. >> let's talk about this. ben ferguson is a conservative radio talk show host. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> morning. >> you know when these things happen, ben, we talk maybe we should review our gun laws

something should be done then we move on and nothing happens. everybody argues whether it's the right time to do it or not and blah blah blah. >> this is where it's ease stoi push the narrative gun control laws would stop this. the reality is the gun control laws many wanted to push and the democrats, including the president would not have outlawed the gun he use zed. you have a sick deranged human being. there isn't a law that you could have passed to stop this from happening. he broke gun laws with the crime he committed. there's countless laws that he broke that were outside of gun laws yet, this still happened. >> supposedly the gun was a gift from his family. >> again, we don't know if this was bought from his dad, if the money was given to him to buy one. he's 21 years old. can you buy a gun? yes. >> he bought the gun himself.

he's 21 years old. >> he has the right to do that. he wasn't a convicted felon. to say a gun law could have stopped this based on the weapon he used from what we understand the laws proposed to be passed would not have stopped this. >> is this is valuable conversation to have because he bought the gun legally? >> i agree with ben that there's not a lot of laws we have on the books right now that could have prevented this from happening. i do agree with the president. i agree with the nra, for that matter we need to take a tighter look at mental instability and the easy access that mentally ill people have to guns. that here is the big problem. even if there is -- if this was a situation where this guy's father gave him the gun, there's no law. >> how do we know he is mentally ill, by the way? do we know that for sure? >> this is where it's sticky. if we want to go after the

mentally ill and make sure they don't have access to the guns, unfortunately, that means digging into people's privacy. that's the only way to figure out ut. i would like to see more i don't know if you want to call it laws but at least focusing more on the mentally unstable and their access to guns. how do you do that without violating people's civil rights. >> couldn't we argue -- wait wait. let's go back to the mentally unstable thing. anybody who has a gun and murders is mentally unstable. that doesn't mean they have a mental illness or is instain, legally. >> look at the terrorist cases where people are being followed - by the fbi. even though they are watched and the fbi has people talking to isis, it doesn't mean to arrest them until they commit a crime. that's how the laws are written in this country. if you look at this young man, there is obviously issues there.

his roommate says i took his gun away from him. i think we need a better conversation, if you see something, say something. with a bag left on a subway or a bag left by an airport entryway. if a roommate took the gun away but didn't tell authorities, we have to talk about that. you think they are a threat to society, took their gun away then gave it back. you have the responsibility to talk to authorities about that moment and time when you were afraid of this person maybe harming you or others. >> see, i like this conversation. brian, the last point i want to make about how the conversation goes nowhere in there country. when things happen they say, oh, if only someone in that church had a gun, this would have been prevented. can you address that? >> i would like to. would i like to have a firearm in that situation, absolutely i would. i can give you many examples of

situations where firearms have saved lives in america. i can give you examples of situations where they haven't. the most recent is last month in waco texas, where you had 12 armed police officers inside a restaurant and nine people ended up dead anyway. some shot and killed by the police but some were not. my point is the mere presence of firearms was not enough to prevent the violence from happening. i don't think, look would i want to have a firearm in that situation? i absolutely would. i think ben would agree with me on that. it is not a magic cure all to the gun violence we have in this country. >> it's not magic, but as a victim of a gun crime and i had to use a weapon to save my life the best situation is law-abiding citizens able to protect themselves and able to protect themselves against people like this when they choose to do something to the point, i think it was obvious. he was fine if it took his life.

he had nothing to lose z. i only want people to carry a gun who go through the proper training. i would want to carry a gun in this situation or church. i am the first line of defense to save my life or other innocent lives. >> the challenge that we face today -- >> brian last word. >> who is a good legal gun owner like ben and who is crazy? today, we don't know the difference sometimes. >> ben ferguson brian joyce, thank you so much for an important debate. i appreciate it. still to come in the newsroom dylann roof confesses to murder. are the crimes those of a racist or terrorist? we'll talk about that next.

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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. today at 2:00 p.m. eastern, dylann roof is expected to face a judge for the first time. law enforcement officials say he has confessed to killing nine african-americans as they prayed in church. roof may be a killer. is he guilty of terrorism? it's a conversation america is having right now. this was on my facebook page from georgy. black shooter equals thug. muslim shooter equals terrorist. white shooter equals mental illness? even though his postbook shows him with white power patches and witnesses said he shouted you are raping our women and taking over the country before firing

not only is that racism but that sounds like terrorism to me and cnn is now calling it that. let's talk about this more. with me is john editor of the daily beast. journalist and editor and mark lamont hill. welcome to all of you. >> thank you, carol. >> good to be here. >> thanks for being here. the fbi defines terrorism as the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or problemer problemerty to intimidate or coerce a government the civilian population or any segment there of. does that make him a terrorist? >> yes. if he is a terrorist or not, it's completely racist. for one second imagine if this shooter was black. or if he was muslim. without any question we would

immediately be holding an entire religion or race accountable. all of a sudden because we are dealing with a white shooter, we are immediately generating sympathy by questioning his mental health and whatnot. there should be no question what so ever this man is a terrorist. >> i have heard more than one politician refer to him as reranged. i have not heard them say he is a racist or white supremacist. what is that about? >> some conservative politicians have a problem confronting racism. they would rather say it was an attack on faith or focusing on mental illness. i will say, it's entirely possible to be deranged mentally ill, racist and a terrorist. this is racially motivated terrorism. there is no question about that now that he said he wanted to start a race war. it falls in that statute.

you need to focus on the individual the larger ideology and not extend a vast group blame. that's a no brainer. >> why is it so difficult to just call him a terrorist? >> unfortunately, we live in a nation where terrorist has come to mean things done by muslims or by arabs or things done by brown people. we often only assign the term terrorism to those groups of people. we have never wanted to name white supremacist as terrorism whether it's timothy mcveigh. we didn't want to call it domestic terrorism. we don't want to call the kkk domestic terrorism. it's not something we do. >> mark you are an academic. i think you know that obviously not only is the kkk a terrorist organization but the case of timothy mcveigh, the last time we saw vast right wing violence

there's a steady stream of violence from the right as well as the threats we face from jihadists. those are acts of terrorism, classified as such and they should be. >> no they should be. i'm saying default response. last year a guy cut off a co-workers head at work. we said it was terrorism before we knew if he was with a group because of his faith. what happens with white citizens in america, default response even when it looks like terrorism isn't terrorism. with timothy mcveigh we did call it that. in many cases we don't do that. even the kkk, we don't call terrorist groups. >> i completely agree with mark. it's about our default response. we have kind of been programs to respond. it says so much about what we really believe. and what is dangerous about this is eventually, ourish issue with

labeling this terrorist, it puts more american lives at risk. if we don't label them as acts of terrorism, we are denying there's a clear problem between mass shooting white shooters and white privilege. this is what we need to discuss. >> john i want to lay one thing by you. i interviewed a senator, he called roof a thug. i found that interesting since during the height of the baltimore controversy, thug came to mean a certain thing. >> i think thug is appropriate. i don't know if it's the best word. again, i think terrorist is a far more powerful term. the systemic dimensions of this and the widespread impact it has. the acts of many corporates are thuggers. i don't use that word because i don't think it's analytically

precise and powerful and terrorist. >> john button it up for us. what were you going to say? >> we have a problem with right ring terrorism. this guy was talking racism. we simultaneously have a global jihadist threat which affected us from 9/11 and people around the world every day. those two things can exist at the same time. the government should be able to focus on both of them. they are not intention. we must confront both of them without denying one. >> all right. thanks for having such an interesting conversation. to all of you. still to come why critics are calling on south carolina to take down the confederate flag from outside the state capitol. we'll talk about that next. new flonase allergy relief nasal spray. this changes everything. flonase is the 24 hour relief that outperforms a leading allergy pill. when we breathe in allergens our bodies react by over-producing six key

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we have new information on the south carolina church massacre. police just released the arrest warrants for dylann roof which shows he waived his right for council in north carolina. we have the document here. paul our legal analyst has been perusing it. how significant is this? >> i find it unusual that he didn't ask for a lawyer. he could have gotten a lawyer and contested the move to south carolina, which would have caused a bunch of proceedings in north carolina televised, giving him more publicity. it's unusual. instead, he waived his zright to council and said take me to south carolina. it's an unusual signature.

maybe not in this day and age. it's big, block letters. i can't read into it because younger people don't use cursive or script. >> when he appears in court, they will appoint him a public defender. >> they will. >> he will decide whether he wants to use that lawyer. >> or private council will come in. a lot of times in these high profile cases, a private lawyer comes in. this will fade. i don't think it's very important. >> thanks so much. i appreciate it. we are learning new details about that -- we are learning more details about the massacre in south carolina that as you know claimed the lives of nine innocent people. dylann roof confessed to gunning down his victims, but said he wanted to start a race war. that makes images like this one hard to stomach. yes, that's a confederate flag

license plate on his car. many are calling on south carolina to take down the confederate flag. on twitter, there's a #takeitdown stz #takeitdownsouth carolina. lindsey graham was asked if he thinks that's the thing to do. >> to revisit that decision is fine with me. this is part of who we are. the flag represents a civil war and that was the symbol of one side to the other. it's been used by people. it's been used in a racist way. the problems we have in south carolina throughout the world were not because of symbols, it's because of what's in people's hearts. >> joining me now, the senior bishop of the ame church john richard bryant. welcome, sir. >> good morning. thank you very much for having me. >> thank you for being here. do you agree with senator graham?

>> i agree that it's time to take it down. i think symbols are extremely important. it really teaches the culture. i have been protesting been part of protest movements in south carolina to take the flag down for more than 20 years. i really think it's time and i think south carolina reached the place where they know it's time. when i had the opportunity to be in the presence and to watch the mayor of the city of charleston and the governor of the state of south carolina the way, the seriousness in which they dealt with this issue, i think it's baggage. unnecessary baggage that is offensive to a large segment of the population in the state and, of course, in the nation. it's time to take it down. >> you know it's touching to

see that huge vigil that sprang up after the tragedy went down. people of all colors standing together praying together holding hands. it was a beautiful symbol of unity in this country. >> i think we have to work hard to develop more symbols of that. if we are going to deal with this biting issue that has been gnawing at the fabric of the nation that really makes so much of our contradictory, the symbol of what took place in that church yesterday. it has to move out of the churches and into the classrooms and into the community meetings and the neighborhoods and blocks so that it will truly be the image that america sends across the world. >> i want to read you something from the atlantic on the confederate flag. the confederate flag defenders

claim it represents heritage not hate. i agree, the heritage of white supremacy was not birthed by hate but the impulse toward plunder. the flag that roof embraced which many in south carolina embrace does not stand opposition to the act, enendorses it. can you react to that? >> my reaction to it is what i said formerly. when you live in a house, you want that house to be commodeious for everyone who lives in it. for the african-american community, we find the flag offensive. and as a society, as a culture, who is determined to be one nation under god, indy visible, we really need to do those things that makes the whole

family comfortable. for us that flag represents a history of slavery, a history of segregation, a history of marginalization, a system of unequal treatment. for us, it is an offense for the citizens there to have to drive and watch it. to go by places where they pay taxes and see it. it is offensive. i think the community at large knows that it is offensive to a large portion of the community. >> bishop ryan thank you so much for sharing your insight with me this morning, i appreciate it. still to come insight from the husband of the alleged prison break helper. alexandra field is in new york. good morning. >> hey, carol. we spoke to lyle mitchell's

attorney who told us what his client has been talking to investigators about and what's been confiscated from the couple's house.

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two escaped killers on the run for 14 days are officially america's most wanted. u.s. marshals adding richard matt and david sweat to their 15 most wanted list offering a $50,000 reward for information that leads to their capture. this as that massive manhunt widens. police clearing more than 160 abandoned buildings near the new york prison where they broke free. wanted posters now hanging at

the canadian and mexican borders. alexandra field is in dannemora new york with more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. that most wanted list is reserved for the worst of the worst, and richard matt and david sweat's names are now along them. that $50,000 reward comes on top of a $100,000 reward already in place for any information that leads to the arrest of these two fugitives. new york state police continuing their search in this region also working with law enforcement officials across the you don't track down any leads. at this point they're focusing on seasonal cabins and houses that might be empty at this time of year. they're also calling for people to turn in any surveillance video that they may have that may have been recorded on the night of the escape or around that time period. and we're hearing a little bit from lyle mitchell's attorney. lyle mitchell is the husband of joyce mitchell, the woman accused of helping two convicts escape. his attorney says that lyle has a lot of questions now about the

woman he thought he knew. >> this is a woman that's been his best friend for 21 years. he's still in love with her. i can tell you that but he's just in shock now. he doesn't want to help her right now, but he's also still feeling that emotion that you know he cares about her. >> reporter: lyle mitchell has not been charged with anything. prosecutors say there's no evidence that links him to the plan at this point, but investigators did collect several items from the mitchell's household including two paintings made by richard matt. they collected joyce mitchell's cell phone and a car the couple used to take to and from work at the clinton correctional facility. life here starting to return to normal in the aftermath of this escape. we're told that the lockdown has been lifted which means inmates will no longer be required to stay in their cells 24 hours a day. they can get back to their prison jobs and even to communal dining spaces, carol.

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