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outcome. we just don't know if it'swhat is going to take place inside. ana? >> there will be a vigil this evening for the nine worshippers killed in that bible study class. what more can you tell us about that? >> this is going to be the chance for the community outpouring. there have been a number of them. >> this is the one that is truly going to encompass all of the feelings that participate in this community. it's going to be a huge event they are raising an effort to help those families. it's a community that has come together in the heartbreak and in the pain and suffering but not divided. come together in common grief, ana. >> and after an act of such hate now we see all of the love that fills charleston south carolina. martin savidge, thank you so much. we'll check back in with you on
this court appearance. don lemon is live in charleston south carolina. >> reporter: thank you, ana. as we're awaiting this bond hearing now, i'm joined by sunny hostin and also former state representative bakari sellers. you know the ground here. he's at the detention center but they are doing it by video because they are concerned about his safety? >> this is a replay of about a month and a half ago when the officer gunned down walter scott. they are in the same detention center. he will have a bond hearing today. by state statutes magistrates cannot set bond. he will have an opportunity later to apply for a bond but
it's nothing that is going to be too eventful and his bond will effectively not necessarily be denied but he will not get one. >> mark geragos is joining us from new york. and sunny, welcome to you on the ground. he has confessed. what does that mean for this case? >> nothing is ever a slam dunk because we're already hearing the murmurs of an insanity defense. he sat with nine victims and prayed with them and then shot them. i suspect we're going to certainly hear a defense. we now know that -- i think he waived his right to counsel initially but it's the head of the public defender's office. so he will be represented and i suspects he'll enter a plea of not guilty. >> mark what does this mean? what does this mean that there
is a hate crime? there's no hate crime statute in this state, right? >> that's right. >> but they are saying this is a hate crime. what does this mean legally, mark? >> you know it really doesn't matter. and this is one of the kind of frustrating things about these discussions. he's charged with nine murders. it's a multiple murder. there's no more serious crime. whether there's a hate crime or not is really besides the point. i understand that people want to deal with that because it gives them some kind of explanation for this. but the fact is he's charged with serial murder. there is no more serious crime and there's nothing more you can do to him. is he going to be charged with the full frontal assault of the law. contrary to what sunny says if you're talking about slam dunks and i never want to rush to judgment but if there was ever a case that was a slam dunk in the
criminal justice system this would be it. the idea that somehow he's going to be relying on a mental defense is going to be be lied by the fact that he escaped, he went out of there, wanted to start a race war, all of the things that we've heard or that have been leaked out so far tends to be kind of your perfect example of somebody who may be very very sick but he doesn't meet the definition the legal definition of insanity. >> i think mark is right. if ever there was a slam dunk case that would be it. you can't count the fact that everybody is talking about why he would do this. and everybody is talking about mental illness in this context. i don't think that you can say that the insanity defense isn't something that will play out in a courtroom. i also think the real issue here is rather than a hate crime is whether or not this will be a death penalty case and whether they will get the death penalty
qualified jury. i think that is going to be the big issue here. >> mark do you want to speak to that? >> well one of the interesting things about charging it as a death penalty, even if you don't want it, if you get a death penalty qualified jury, you get people who tend to skew more conservative more pro prosecution. the twist in this case is that you tend to get people who are more race-based or racist, if you will. i know that that's unpopular to say. but it's true based on all of the studies. so there's an interesting dynamic here given the race -- racial undertones of this particular individual. and going back to what sunny says in terms of the mental illness, this discussion is going to be whether if you are a racist or if you've got a race-based motive for something, does that by definition mean that you're mentally ill?
there's a lot of people that would argue that is true and a lot of people who argue, no that's kind of fabric of america. >> what about a plea mark? what would you advise? >> what about a plea? the only plea at any point that could be worked out is if they offered to plead guilty and took the death penalty off the table, he would get life without parole. that's a distinct possibility, i suppose. >> and that's exactly why i bring up the death penalty. if it is a death penalty case that does give the prosecution the leeway to take that off the table and give the victims i think some sort of solace. because it is very difficult for victims of crimes and their families to go through this kind of case this kind of high-profile case. i suspect that that is going to be a very important decision and it could be a turning point in this case. >> i want to tell everybody that we're waiting for the suspect, the 21-year-old suspect in the
shooting here at the emanuel ame church the day before yesterday -- or yesterday evening, i should say, 21-year-old dylann roof. he is appearing via satellite, via television because there are concerns about his safety here. and you think that he should -- you don't like that? >> well i'm troubled by it only in the sense that this is supposed to be an open proceeding an open courtroom. and bakari you practice here in south carolina. is this the norm for most defendants? >> well this is not a normal defendant. >> true. >> and neither was officer slager. >> but it's a murder defense. >> i appreciate and give the benefit of the doubt to the prosecutor in this area who is going to do a phenomenal job prosecuting both of these cases. before we start talking about pleas and insanity defense, there was malice aforethought. that's important. >> true. >> he displayed all of those
intentions and plans to go out and murder these nine people. >> but should he be allowed to hide behind the video camera? >> his day will come sunny, in the court of law and justice will be had. i think these people in this area need to hear that. >> what are we going to see here? we were given a two-minute warning a minute ago. >> you won't see much. you will see him come up and he will understand his charges, do you understand the charges that are being filed against you today? yes, sir. you have nine murder charges and a weapons charge. you know and that's going to be about it. i cannot set your bond today, therefore your bond is denied if they determine -- >> procedural? >> procedural. he has to have a bond hearing within 24 hours and they are giving him one. >> it's important to note that this judge in particular doesn't have the authority to set a bond. so this will have to go to a different judge, a circuit court judge. >> let's talk about the gun. a .45 caliber handgun, he either got from his father or his
father gave him the money. can we see video in that video? either his father got it for him or gave it to him on april 3rd which was his 21st birthday. and he had a gun in his possession when they caught him. >> we were hearing that the father gave him the gun but what we're hearing now is he purchased it from a charleston gun store in april with money. i think what is interesting about that is we know that he had a felony charge and under south carolina law, they would have to check the database. >> it's a gray area. he was not convicted. he had a charge. >> he had a pending charge. >> my interpretation of the law is that that should have been a red flag to the government and he should not have been allowed to purchase the gun. >> that's where you start taking proactive steps to make sure things like this don't happen
again. he was not a felon at the time but he was on bond. this gentleman has a series of issues. and the least of which is a jury if he so chooses of his peers who will not look favorably upon him who causes this level of destruction. >> the president mentioned yesterday, he said he's done this 14 times that he's spoken out after mass shootings and clearly we need to come to some sort of consensus about what happens with gun laws and gun legislation. after 14 under this president, nothing really changed. nothing really changed after newtown. nothing has really changed. is it going to change after this? >> one of the unfortunate realities of our political scenes in america and the president referenced it yesterday, you don't see this in other kind of advanced societies, nothing is going to change. there is a third rail in
american politics. it's the nra and you just can't change it. no matter what happens, there is no political will. there is no political capital in anybody who gets in the way of trying to change these things. and it's unfortunate ee we're just going to keep repeating it like a hampster on a wheel. >> a comment has been blast around now, literally blamed clementa pinckney and his folks in the legislature for not allowing -- blaming the victim. he said that if -- but for his votes, those eight people and himself still would have been alive. and it's that type of -- >> meaning if they had their own gun? >> if they had an open carry type policy. >> do people -- >> there would have been a shootout rather than prosecution. >> when we talk about people -- all the murderers and gun crimes
that we see in chicago and on and on and on if people are legally allowed, especially of color, do you think things would change? >> i don't think things would change. when you have gun control and you take guns out of the hands of -- well when you take guns out of the hands of society, it's very clear that the shootings go down. there have been many many studies. i think that you know if it didn't happen when first graders were murdered in connecticut, it certainly isn't going to happen when -- >> i think we can say this for certain, people have a second amendment right to carry. >> absolutely. >> but this young man didn't need to have that weapon. >> not everybody should be able to -- it should be a right. >> and i think we have to find that balance. not be afraid to have the discussion. >> i think the law is pretty clear he did not have the right to purchase that gun but i think people will debate that. >> i want to get to the courthouse now. cnn's martin savidge is there.
what are you seeing there at the courthouse? >> reporter: well you're right. the media is getting inside. it's a hot ticket that people want to be in the courtroom. most will have to go to the overflow courtroom. there's been an arrival of family members and there are quite a few and they will be given priority to be seated in the courtroom. remember roof is not going to be there in person. he's going to be kektdconnected by a video link even though it's connected to the jail where he's being kept. for security reasons, it's going to be via a video link. it's anticipated that they will be given an opportunity to speak at this hearing. although this is a very preliminary hearing and we already know that bond is likely not to be set in any way, what we don't know is what is going to come out in words in that courtroom. and given all of the emotions it could be an extremely powerful setting for all of this to set out in a court of law.
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there you can see the courthouse there that he is at the al cannon courthouse. he's going to be having a hearing there. martin savidge has new details about the gun, martin. new information just coming out, some guidance about how he purchased it and just how powerful that gun is. court, yes. we're now being told it's a glock 41. now, we have been told by witnesses or thug those that have spoken to witnesses that he reloaded it several times. don? >> let's listen in. the hearing is getting started. there's the suspect. >> today is june 19th 2015. charleston county bond court. this is the case of state versus
dylann roof. mr. roof is charged with nine counts of murder and one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime. ladies and gentlemen, before i get into the hearing, i'd like to make a statement, please. charleston is a very strong community. we have big hearts we are a very loving community and we reach out to all victims and we will touch them. we have victims, nine of them. but we also have victims on the other side. there are victims on this young man's side of the family. nobody would have ever thrown them into the whirlwind of events that they have been thrown into. we must find it in our hearts at some point in time to help those that are victims but also help
his family as well. when it's all done and said charlotte wilson is solicitor will have done the best job that they can do. they are some of the finest. our law enforcement are the finest in this state and they will do their job honorably. i trust they will. with that being said, we will move forward today with this hearing. mr. roof is charged with nine counts of murder during the commission of the crime. representing the state is solicitor scarlett wilson and representing the defendant is mr. ashley pennington. does the defendant give me permission to conduct this hearing via video conferencing? >> yes, sir, i've discussed that
with mr. roof and he's aware that this would be the process and we certainly agree to that. >> thank you very much. mr. roof has counsel today, he has been appointed, and it's mr. pennington. is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> thank you. mr. roof, you're charged with nine counts of murder and one count of weapon during the commission of a violent crime. your first appearance court date will be october 23rd 2015 at 2:00 p.m. your second court date appearance court date will be february the 5th 2016 at 9:00 a.m. mr. roof you have the right to a preliminary hearing. this is a hearing to review the evidence that the state is using to establish probable cause, to substantiate the charges that they have brought against you today. i have some questions, if i may, with permission of counsel. mr. roof is your address 10428
garner ferry road in south carolina? is it? >> yes, sir. >> what is your age? >> 21. >> you're 21. are you employed? >> no, sir. >> you are unemployed at this time? >> yes, sir. >> thank you. >> detective burkhart does the defendant have a criminal history. >> yes, sir. >> what is it? >> two charges that i'm aware of. i have a drug possession charge of 3/15 and a trespassing on 4/26. >> i would point out that the drug charge is not a disposition. there's no disposition. >> it's pending at this time? >> that is correct. >> thank you very much. so noted. solicitor wilson do you have any statement to make before this court in regard to these charges?
>> not now, urn. >> not now, your honor. >> mr. pennigton, do you have any statements to make? >> i've spoken to mr. roof. he understands that only a circuit court can set bond in the murder cases. therefore, we're prepared today to accept the no bond arrangement. we appreciate the court's courtesy and i will gather all of the information and supply it to him in due course. >> thank you. before we go into the bond process, i would like to ask if there are any members -- is there a representative of any of the family that would be here to wish to make a statement before this court before i post or set the bond? susie jackson, is there a representative of the family of susie jackson? >> no.
>> sandra singleton? miss singleton? >> there are. >> will you please stand. you have a right of the representative of the family to make a statement today before we set bond. would you like to do so ma'am? >> no, sir. >> thank you very much. ethel lance, would you like to make a statement with regard to ethel lance as a victim? >> yes, sir. >> would you like to come forward, please? you are representing the family of ethel lance, is that correct? >> yes. >> and you are whom? >> the daughter. >> i am listening and you can talk to him.
>> i just [ inaudible ] you took something very precious from me and i will never talk to her ever again. i will never, ever hold her again. but i forgive you. and have mercy on your soul. you hurt me. you hurt a lot of people. but i forgive you. and i forgive you. >> thank you, ma'am. i appreciate you being here. >> representative of the family of myra thompson? sir, would you like to make a statement before this court? >> yes. >> please come forward.
your name sir? >> anthony thompson. >> mr. thompson? >> i would just like him to know -- >> speak up for me. >> say the same thing that was just said. you know i forgive you and my family forgive you but we would like to take this opportunity to repent. repent confess to the one who matters most. christ. so that he can change it change your ways no matter what happened to you and you'll be okay. do that and you'll be better off than what you are right now. >> thank you, sir. tywanza sanders?
>> we welcome you wednesday night in our bible study with open arms. you have killed some of the most [ inaudible ] people that i know. every fiber in my body hurts. and i'll never be the same. tywanza sanders was my son. but he was my hero. but as we said at bible study may god have mercy on you. >> thank you, ma'am. a representative of daniel
simmons? your name ma'am? >> alana simmons. >> thank you, miss simmons, for being here. your statement, please? >> although my grandfather and the other victims died at the hands of hate this is proof everyone's plea for your soul is proof that they -- they lived and loved and their legacies will live and love. so hate won't win and i just want to thank the court for making sure that hate doesn't win. >> thank you ma'am, for being here. cynthia hurd a representative of the family of cynthia hurd?
>> we have nothing to say. >> thank you very much. and thank you for being here today, sir. reverend middleton doctor. your name please, ma'am? >> [ inaudible ] newton brown. >> thank you for being here. >> she was my sister and i would like to thank you on behalf of my family for not allowing hate to win. for me i am a work in progress and i am very angry. but one thing that she's always joined in our family with is that she taught me that we are the families that love built. we have no room for hate so we have to forgive.
i pray god i won't be around when your judgment day comes with him. may god bless you. >> thank you, ma'am. >> representative of the reverend and senator clementa pinckney? is there a representative of the pinckney family here today? thank you. mr. pennington is there anything else you'd wish to tell the court? >> not at this time. >> anything you'd like to tell the court, miss wilson? >> no. i'd like to make it clear for those not familiar with our process, you don't have the authority to set bond on the murder charges and so that's why you are not addressing those. we have the bond for the firearm charge. regardless of what bond you set,
the defendant will remain in custody. >> yes, ma'am. on the nine counts of murder i do not have the authority to set bond on these charges. on the count -- one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of the crime, a violent crime, i'm setting your bond young man, at $1 million. is there anything else to come before this court today in regards to this case? hearing none we stand concluded in this hearing. thank you. >> thank you, your honor. >> thank you, sir. >> so i really don't know what to make of this. i want to -- i don't know what to make of -- i don't know what to make of what the judge said in the beginning, which was very
odd. talk about the very emotional statements which really almost had us in tears here. sunny, this judge says sitting in front of a group of all nine of the family members, they asked all nine family members to bring representatives for this bond hearing and one of the first things out of his mouth is that dylann roof's family are victims in this? what is he talking about? >> i've never seen in a bond proceeding, a magistrate judge give any sort of speech and certainly not a speech that seems to -- >> why did he say that? >> that seems to feel sorry for the defendant, the perpetrator's family. i've never seen anything like that. i thought that was really inappropriate. >> let me tell you, i haven't been practicing law that long in south carolina. i will tell you i've never seen it in the courtroom at all. just as a spectator, you know it caught me off guard. i didn't know if i was going to
give legal analysis or cry up here. >> exactly. >> for him to start off the hearing the way he did, it took me aback. i don't know that judge personally. >> judge james gosnell is the judge. he said i have the most confidence in the solicitor here which is scarlet wilson. >> i a i agree with that. that's fine. but for those that just lost their loved ones two days ago and also i want to talk to the suspect's family? i don't -- >> i don't think anybody understands it and i think it was also inappropriate for this defendant to be on videotape outside of the courtroom. you want victims' families to have the opportunity to look at someone in the eye. >> in the eye right. >> and explain to them what their crime has done and we knew that those families were going to be there. >> their family members
didn't -- hang on. wait. bakari wait. their family members didn't get a chance to sit in that church via video with a bulletproof vest. they didn't know it was coming. he had an opportunity to face these families with a bulletproof vest on what have you. he should have done it, i agree with sunny. >> i don't want to give this judge and his statements too much air. i don't want to give too much air to him being in the courtroom, not being in the courtroom. but those statements that we heard from those families were very, very powerful. >> we're going to talk about that. beyond again, the judge, you didn't know if you wanted to be -- to be upset or to be mad or to cry. when the first one -- i think the first representative that came up was from -- first, these are the victims. they asked all of them to be in
court. clementa pinckney, sharonda singleton, tywanza sanders, 07 susie jackson was 87. myra thompson 59 and daniel simmons, 74. let's go back into the court. >> there are victims on this side of the family. no one would have thrown them into the whirlwind of events that they have been thrown into. we must find it in our heart at some point in time not only to help those that are victims but to also help his family as well. when it's all done and said scarlet wilson and ashley pennington will have done the best job that they can do. our law enforcement are the finest in this state and they will do their job honorably.
i trust they will. with that being said we will move forward today with this hearing. mr. roof is charged with nine counts of murder and one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of a crime. >> okay. so again, this is all done via video link. it's done via cam and they are repeating it. >> i'm shocked at the judge -- >> okay. so i was being way too cautious. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you. >> i had to listen to him again and just say, i mean there's a time and place for everything and sometimes we do act differently with the camera in our face but we need some respect and love. >> if we're going to be honest we have to be honest about this conversation where there is so much hurt and pain and many people are outraged by this. fine. the church community, we'll deal
with that. even the victims' families even the ones who say i forgive you. i'm not probably that big of a person. if i was a member of a family involved in this forgive would not be the first word out of my mouth. >> it goes to show you that these are god-fearing people that these are people -- >> god-fearing people are human as well and that is very big of them. >> i think it's a tenant of this community and for this woman to say she wanted god to forgive him and she also for gavegave him, that is the message that the community needs right now. >> i respect what she's saying. that's a very big thing to do. >> but you also -- taking this young man, this callous young man out of this situation, i challenge you to find one situation since you've been on the ground in charleston of something other than people with open arms people showing love and kindness. that's what you saw in the courtroom from those victims'
families. we haven't seen anything but that. >> we've seen charleston strong. >> we certainly have. >> i just -- and we're going to go back to new york in a second. your statements were very poignant. to be angered or to cry. >> or to cry. >> i think the statements by the judge -- these are god-fearing people. you're right. my feeling is if you take the video that you see to the right of your video and put it in black and white, sunny, during this -- it would look like we were looking at a scene from the 1950s and 1960s during the height of the civil rights movement. it's just that now it's color, through the color of high-def but it's him, the way he spoke, yes, sir, i'm 21 years old, that same tone that we heard during the civil rights movement we're hearing now. >> i think what is remarkable is his age, his youth and the amount of hatred that he has.
i think bernice king spoke and spoke with the words of her father saying that as a society, given what has happened with this we have to think about what produced a young man like this. we have to think about why he has that kind of hatred and why society produced him. >> a hearing just wrapped up and there's a vigil going on and family members are gathering here at the church. the church is starting to open up and there you can see the outpouring of people who are supporting each other and the real meaning of religion and god, what it should mean. >> i don't want to talk about dylann anymore. >> right. >> he had his face on tv today. let's talk about these nine people what they meant to each other and to the communities and their families and let's let the justice system deal with him. >> as we get back to ana -- you'll get back to us here in south carolina but, ana, i want to show you this. this is the cover of "the post and courier" today and it says
"the unspeakable happened in our community" and it has the makeshift memorial. ana cabrera, what an interesting hearing. and what an interesting day here. a very emotional day not only for south carolina but for the country. >> absolutely. i'm having people tweet me saying that they got teary-eyed listening to that court appearance particularly hearing from the family members who spoke today. we heard a lot of them crying as they talked about the hurt and pain that they are feeling, having lost their loved ones. we heard from the mother of tywanza sanders, the youngest victim just 26 years old. he just graduated college. and as don mentioned, there was a lot of talk about forgiveness. why? because they did not want hate to consume them. and i want to bring in a couple of other guests who are joining me now who are also listening in during that first court
appearance of sorts, even though it was via video links. joining me now is the reverend butts. also with me is mark geragos, you can talk more about the legal angle of all of this. you heard about the talk of forgiveness. what was going through your mind? what struck you about that hearing? >> i thought that the pastor who is now deceased had done an excellent job and that is a major tenant and they exercise that beautifully. the next step is reconciliation bringing the communities together. and i think there are a lot of people on the ground working to do. of course the final steps and i would praise for people to stand like that in the midst of this
horrible tragedy and be able to declare that they forgive. they are angry. but at least they are not fettered by hate. >> calvin this is personal for you, too. one of the victims in all of this was a pat treetriarch. >> our sacred institutions are not safe from terrorism. secondly, it let's you know that those persons, because he was a pastor but also a state representative he was also a pastor in a church that led revolts against the institution
of slavery. so this man's death is what most prophets have to pay. john the baptist got his head cut off. jesus was nailed to a tree. martin luther king was shot down. and martin luther king's mother was killed while playing the organ in a church. churches are not sacred institutions removed from the violence. i think it would be helpful to remember that. it's a horrible way to bring to mind but it's true. >> we do want to lift up the legacy and memory of those lives lost those victims who were taken so innocently. all of them contributing members of their community and of the country. going back to what we heard at that hearing, mark we heard the
strange statement from the judge that came across with his own monologues to present that and particularly mentioning that the suspect in this case this family were victims to. have you heard anything like that? >> no. and look, i have -- i agree with the sentiment of the judge having defended people of heinous crimes the family is collateral but it has no place in the courtroom. what you just saw was a made for tv court appearance. first of all, to put him in that video arraignment so he could face the tv camera and then put the two officers in the flack jackets behind him is to give you a sense of safety. that was orchestrated and choreographed. you have the judge's statement which is echoing what you said to try to reconcile. but frankly, as somebody who celebrates the secular inside of a courtroom, it really has no place in the courtroom.
that's why the judge's statement has no place in the courtroom. that was already orchestrated for the tv cameras so that he could try to start that process of reconciliation but it's inappropriate in the courtroom. also i understand that the victims' families want to express what they have to say in a bond hearing but let's not forget what just happened there. set bond on the firearms charge. >> because he's not able to do it immediately. >> he has no authority as a magistrate to set bail on the murder charges. this was nothing more than kabuki theater for a made-for-tv appearance. it's not like having the victims' families getting up there persuaded him not to set bail. he has no authority. >> and just the firearms charge is the 1$1 million. and october 23rd is a very long time. >> their speedy trial rights is
not similar to other court systems but it's clearly going to be a capital case so there's going to have to be all kinds of decisions made between now and then. >> mark geragos, thank you for offering your thoughts and expertise. i want to go back to don in south carolina now. don? >> ana, people are walking by here where we are live. are you a resident of south carolina? >> yes. >> people are just walking by and saying that they are outraged by this judge's statements. i'm sorry. it's tough. i don't want to be the judge and juror of this judge. but i think what he said is outrageous. you're from south carolina? >> yes. >> what's your name? >> melanie. >> and you heard the -- >> yeah. we were watching at home and we just thought it was absolutely ridiculous as well that he would want to take time at a beginning of something crazy like this to tell us to take time and think about his family being victims. >> yeah. >> it's just crazy. >> yeah. come on up here.
come on. is that your husband or your boyfriend? >> yes, my boyfriend. we wanted to come over here and thank you for bringing that up because we felt the same way and thought it was out reaj jous that somebody would say that. >> why do you think he would do that? >> the whole thing seemed inappropriate to have a bond hearing and have a speech at the beginning. it seems like they called the whole family in and it meant -- that meant a lot but then to bring up his family who wasn't present, that just seemed -- >> we're going to go live. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for saying that. >> i appreciate you. we're going to go live right now outside the courthouse where people are speaking. let's go there. >> i know what the other families are going through. thank you.
>> thank you. >> it's a little tough to hear out there. it's emotional for people here. when people say that they can feel it it's up to here that's how palpable it is here. every once in a while i guess for as normal as it can get, it kind of gets back to normal and you see tourists and people walking around and something like this will happen at a hearing or there will be a memorial of some type or something will come up on the news and it just brings it right back up with people. everywhere that we have been going here to the restaurants, gas stations at our hotels everyone wants to talk about it. and the newspapers this morning "the post courier" which has a very moving front page, "the post" has a very moving front
page people say i couldn't even look at the newspaper outside of my building. that's how close it touches home to people. some from south carolina and others who are not. we'll continue with our breaking news coverage and get you back to the courthouse and continue on here from south carolina. don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪ ♪ (singing) you wouldn't haul a load without checking your clearance. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck.
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church massacre in charleston. a bond hearing was held a short time ago for the 21-year-old shooter. the fa. ly members gave very emotional statements, mostly to the accused shooter. some of them even saying that they for gave him. and just to give you an idea of what is going on here people are gathering in front of the church. they have opened the church back up. what we're looking at here this is a parking lot and this is real. this is realness here. the cars you see in this parking lot belong to some of the victims. no one has come to get them. there was an alarm going off in one of the cars for quite a long time because there's no keys no one to come get these cars and i'm sure that's the last thing that family members are worrying about right now. so a parking lot that has dotted with cars that belong to victims of this horrible horrible terrorist act that happened inside of this church. but let's not forget about the victims here and their family member who is are so emotional
and eloquent in court. our martin savidge was there. martin some people there at the courthouse have been coming up and speaking to you. what are they telling you? >> reporter: essentially the same thing that they said inside of the courtroom there. one, they wanted to honor their family member who died as a result of this horrific attack. on top of that that they would forgive, which is almost beyond belief for us to understand. and that they will carry on as a family and as a community. but really just to listen to that testimony. and you've all commented on it how deeply moving it was. it was just astounding to hear what sounded like somebody's soul breaking as they speak to the suspect now and the outpouring from their heart was just -- you couldn't even repeat it and do it justice. it's quite remarkable.
we have no idea how powerful overwhelmingly powerful it was. >> martin i don't know if there's anything around you other than media standing behind you? >> reporter: we haven't seen as many come out as came in. also going on is actually around the corner from where we are but scarlett wilson the solicitor prosecutor known to other people who is apparently holding a news conference. we anticipate there's going to be some kind of an announcement. what kind of announcement that may be some speculate it will be whether the death penalty will be applied in this particular case. she did not speak inside the courtroom. she was there. the judge offered that opportunity. she said at this time she will not speak. she is the one, of course that will go forward and prosecute this case at least on the local level. and then there's a chance that there's a federal prosecution as well don. but right now it's pretty much
quiet. >> martin it's just unbelievable to me. for those who have faith like that the first family member said i forgive you. i forgive you. ana cabrera, that's probably the best way to get back to the reverend calvin butts and let him give us a final thought on this. >> right. he's here with me. you had an interesting thought about that hearing and what the judge said in his statement and showing some sympathy for the suspect in this case. you said you weren't surprised to hear his words? >> no. racism is a problem in the nation but we have to remember where this is happening. take a look at the age of the judge. this is south carolina that still flies the confederate flag. this is south carolina where
that flag represents segregation. it represents separation of the racists and here is a young man from lexington, south carolina. that's the district represented by joe wilson who called the african-american president of the united states a liar. so to see this kind of this appeal on behalf of a man who killed people in a church you have to watch now, this is the racism that said you could be a slave on monday after listening to a sermon on sunday. this is part of the cultural history of this nation. so no the judge was terrible in his remarks, i agree with don lemon. absolutely out of whack. but let us not be blindsided now by what we're dealing with here. a legacy of bigotry that still haunts us.
>> and has bubbled to the surface. for so long it's maybe been under the surface after all of these decades have passed with civil rights. >> it's still there and we have to press to eradicate that. plus we have to work on gun violence. we have to do that. you remember the last time we had a case it wasn't necessarily in the south. it was in the north. and we had a congresswoman who was elected as a result of that case when colin ferguson killed people on the long island railroad. we've got to do something about race in this nation and we've got to do something about gun violence. >> reverend calvin butts, thank you for your thoughts. we appreciate it. we have so much more to discuss as we roll into our 3:00 hour of cnn "newsroom." you are watching cnn special coverage
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