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ts us. >> and has bubbled to the surface. for so long it's maybe been under the surface after all of these decades have passed with civil rights. >> it's still there and we have to press to eradicate that. plus we have to work on gun violence. we have to do that. you remember the last time we had a case it wasn't necessarily in the south. it was in the north. and we had a congresswoman who was elected as a result of that case when colin ferguson killed people on the long island railroad. we've got to do something about race in this nation and we've got to do something about gun violence. >> reverend calvin butts, thank you for your thoughts. we appreciate it. we have so much more to discuss as we roll into our 3:00 hour of cnn "newsroom." you are watching cnn special coverage breaking news coverage
of the of the violence that dylann roof caused killing nine innocent victims, ranging in age from 26 up to 87. he just appeared in court via a video link. and he went before a judge. his bond was set at $1 million on a weapons charge. he's also facing nine murder charges. he's likely to ultimately face the death penalty in this case. there he is appearing before the judge, our first real look at him now almost two days since the shooting happened. we also learn in just the past few hours that he confessed to the crime with investigators, admitting that he bought the gun, a 45 caliber gun and fired into each of those individuals. we are also learning more about the weapon. there's a lot to discuss in the next hour of "newsroom."
first, i want to take you back inside the courtroom appearing just a few minutes ago where we also heard from members of the victims' families. listen. >> susie jackson? is there a representative of the family of susie jackson? no. no. sharonda singleton? will you please stand as a representative of the family to take a statement before we set bond. would you like to do so ma'am? >> no. >> ethel lance, would you like to make a statement in regard to this hearing considering ethel lance as a victim ma'am? >> yes. >> all right. we will be hearing more from
inside that courtroom as we continue to pull sound bites from that emotional hearing today. i want to go back live now to don lemon, my colleague in charleston south carolina where emotions are still raw today. don? >> yeah ana. it's been an emotional hour here. we were hearing from the 21-year-old suspect and we did, just a few words. we're going to talk about all of that. let me bring in sunny hostin our legal analyst here on cnn and also a former federal prosecutor. you heard short statements how old are you? 21. do you agree to this? yes. didn't really say much. and mark geragos also a legal analyst here on cnn and a famed attorney said that's the reason you have a bond hearing, if you have the family in to face the man who did a heinous act
against their loved one. >> i said this yesterday, you want the victims of the families to at least have the opportunity to face-to-face express how his actions have hurt them. we do it all the time in the criminal justice system and i can't tell you how cathartic that is to the victims' families. >> you're stealing my next question. do you think that it was completely taken away that they got something out of it even though it was via video? he didn't flinch. >> he didn't flinch. i can tell you, in my experience nothing is the in the same experience as being in the same room -- >> here's the solicitor. there she is.
>> throughout these dark hours, just a few minutes ago what all of you saw, what the rest of the nation saw was the spirit of charleston the true spirit of charleston. and while there may be nine victims, we are one family. make no mistake about that. obviously it's been a long week here. a lot of people here have done good work. first, i want to thank d.a. mike miller in cleveland county. his assistant worked very hard yesterday. i also want to introduce to you my team. my chief deputy bruce durant chad simpson, assistant solicitor, who will be working with me on this case. law enforcement is still involved but we're moving into the prosecution phase of this. we have many great leaders in
this state who have been there for us and have been here for you. we are so grateful for governor nikki haley and mayor riley. i'm not here to pontificate or predict. as for me and my staff, we will serve. we will serve justice. my mission is to bring justice for this community. and especially for the victims in this case. we will do it efficiently and effectively. we'll do it behind the scenes so we will be successful. we will work with our partners at the department of justice. they have been with us here since the start. i had another meeting this morning with the department of
justice. make no mistake, we are standing shoulder to shoulder side by side, and we will work together through this prosecution. i know it's frustrating for you all because you won't see much information but as we move through this prosecution, the rules are different than when we have an investigation and we have an emergency situation. the rules limit what i can say, what i should say and i intend to abide by those rules. and i want to tell you a little bit about a phone call i received about four or five weeks ago. i knew the caller but i didn't know him well and he said to me he said i'm sorry i hadn't reached out before now. but i want you to know we're with you. and i want you to know that we appreciate how you're doing this. i want you to know that we are
behind your team all the way. that call was from senator pinckney. he wasn't asking for a favor. he wasn't asking for inside information. he just made a call to someone that he barely knew but that who he appreciated and he had a deep understanding for our need to work behind the scenes quietly for a successful prosecution. and those words are extremely inspiring to me now and inspiring to my staff as we move forward with this prosecution. i know again that you have many questions about what's going to happen and we will keep you informed as the rules allow. but my first obligation my primary obligation is to these victims' families. they deserve to know the facts first. they deserve to be involved in
any conversations regarding the death penalty. but now is not the time to have those conversations with them. they need the team and the space to mourn and to grieve and we are going to give them that. again, we certainly will keep you informed as milestones are reached in this case as decisions are made but our work is going to be done in the courtroom. we really appreciate you being here. i'm not going to take questions today. i believe chief mullen would like to address you briefly. >> thank you, solicitor. as the solicitor says, we have moved into a different phase at this point. we appreciate all of your assistance yesterday and the night before. we were getting a lot of information out as a result of your efforts. we will continue to be as open and transparent with you understanding now that when we finish up the investigative leads that are outstanding at this point, we are not only going to be working with the
solicitor. we're not going to be able to give out his information as quickly and freely as we were yesterday. now what our goal is since we have now captured and have the individual in custody that was responsible for this very terrible tragedy. our role now and our primary focus is a successful prosecution. we're not going to jeopardize that by releasing information prematurely. nor are we going to not follow up every lead possible before that information is released if it can be. so i appreciate your cooperation. i know our p.i. is trying to get out as much information as we can understanding that at this particular point, there's a lot of investigative leads happening here in the area. it's also happening in other parts of the state.
we will continue to work with you and do the best we can to get you information to help you inform the public and, at the same time make sure we do not jeopardize this prosecution which, at this time is our primary goal. thank you. >> all right. the chief solicitor here and also chief gregory mullen, solicitor scarlett wilson saying that everything will be dealt with in the courtroom. they will not litigate this case in the media or outside of the courtroom. just as they were speaking i want to show you the parking lot behind me the fbi, which is the church's parking lot, some of the cars belonging to the victims still here in the parking lot. the fbi was doing a sweep of this parking lot. going back and forth looking at the ground and looking for
things. i don't know if it's because they are going to open the church back up or what is going on here. there they are, some of the fbi evidence technicians on the back of their shirts and the fbi insignia on the front of their shirts. and they also have gloves. not sure what they are looking for. sunny hostin is here with me and also danny cevallos is joining us as well to bring us his perspective. as they are combing the parking lot behind us here as you hear the chief solicitor here and also what's his name, chief gregory mullen as well saying that they are going to do an investigation all over south carolina and but their work is going to be done in the courtroom. where do they start? >> many cases begin conversely with an investigation and then a
suspect identified. but everything happened so quickly in this case that we've moved along from a manhunt to now an initial hearing, a bond hearing, which is really just a formality because he's charged with a crime for which he is not bailable. he cannot be let out. so as much as it is important for us to get a first look at this defendant, procedurally it's a little more than a formality. he will remain in custody. >> mark geragos' words was that it was kabuki theater. i know they said it was standard procedure to have the suspects appear video link but many appear in the courtroom. >> video appearance is becoming a more common thing. it can be helpful when you're holding a defendant in a secure facility and you don't want to
move them. for you and i to get into a car and drive from a to b is no big deal. but anybody in the sheriff's department, any federal marshal will tell you that transporting criminals is a high-risk procedure. when you can keep him in a secure facility and have him appear and satisfy whatever constitutional burden of having him appear even if that's by video link i think any federal marshal and sheriff deputy will tell you you should avoid caution and move prisoners when it can be avoided, especially in a high-profile case like this. >> i think sunny is going to disagree with this. >> we're talking about the best of the best when we're talking about the fbi and the marshals. moving a prisoner is not that difficult. you can move a prisoner very early in the morning very late in the evening, you can use back channels many courtrooms and
courthouses have tunnels underneath for that very purpose. i think on balance when you weigh the victims' families' rights to confront the defendant who has taken away their loved ones you sort of balance that with an inability and difficulty of moving a prisoner i think the answer is very clear. >> sunny, this is what you do. you're a former federal prosecutor. >> that's right. >> have you been involved in a case like this? >> certainly not as high-profile of a case. >> what would you do if you were scarlett wilson? >> you keep this kind of case close to the vest. it's being investigated and there are dual investigations. we're talking about the federal government with all of its resources as well as the state working together and so you don't want a lot of likes in a case like this. it's not a who done it. we know that. it's a high-stakes case because it's likely to be a death penalty case. you want to make sure that your
forensics are air tight and make sure that you have really interviewed the victims that the survivors of this -- because that is i think, going to be the most important part of this investigation. you want to make sure that you treat them very very carefully and sensitively, make sure you get their stories. >> even a little bit of this snap chat video that we got of yesterday that shows him at least on the location is that helpful? >> that's ephelpful because it shows the amount of time that he spent with these people. >> it gives a timeline. >> and it goes towards his demeanor. if you're the prosecutor you have to take it very slowly. we heard her say, we know everyone wants this information, they are demanding this type of information but you want to keep it a little closer to the vest. >> sunny and danny, i'll get your thoughts in a moment but i want to check in with cnn's athena jones. we keep talking about the
suspect, the defendant, as danny has been referring to him. we want to keep the victims in mind and their family members. athena jones is at a vigil for one of the family members. what's going on athena. >> reporter: don, i was unable to hear what you said as you came to me but i want to point out this makeshift memorial at emanuel ame. it's more than quadrupled in size. there are periodic gatherings laying down flowers, setting up wreaths. a few minutes ago a young woman had a sign that said "never again is now." what's been remarkable about this outpouring of grief for this entire community is how diverse it's been. it's been a mixed group. very multiracial. we saw several young white boys 4 or 5 years old who came up to
lay flowers as part of that memorial. we saw an older white male kneeling to pray. last night when i attended a prayer service just behind at mother emanuel, there was a group of white and black, a sea of people packed that church all of them joining together doing prayer circles to try to comfort each other and to heal. you may have mentioned or heard earlier the mayor of charleston joe riley talking about a city that wants to come together in prayer and unity. that is what this memorial shows and proves. the street is blocked off in preparation for the prayer vigil being held tonight by the city of charleston at an arena a short distance from here. that's at 6:00 p.m. don? >> a prayer vigil tonight. there are other events planned as well. cnn will take you to as many of them as possible. athena jones standing out in front of the makeshift memorial
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made his first court appearance a bond hearing. and it was, in a word incredible. appearing via this video link the camera was trained right on his face as the relatives of the people he slaughtered cried as they told their killer about the pain the suffering that he has caused them. now roof remains behind bars until he faces court once again on october 23rd on those nine murder charges as well as a firearm offense. all nine victims were slaughtered inside a charleston church basement after the gunman worshipped with them for nearly an hour and he did it all because apparently he wanted to start a race war. we want to play you some of the sound from that emotional hearing. again, we heard from several of the victims' family members. they talked about how much they were hurting having lost people that they loved and the lives that really mattered that were taken. they talked about forgiveness. and they talked also about judgment day coming and may god
bless the suspect. i want you to listen in to this powerful sound from that court appearance. >> you are representing the family of ethel lance. is that correct? >> yes. >> and you are whom? >> her daughter. >> i'm listening. and you can talk to him. >> i just want you to know to you, i forgive you. you took something very precious away from me. i will never talk to her ever again. i will never be able to hold her again. but i forgive you and have mercy on your soul. you've hurt me. you've hurt a lot of people. may god forgive you and i forgive you. >> thank you ma'am.
i appreciate you being here. representative of the family of myra thompson. sir, would you like to make a statement before this court? please come forward. your name sir? >> anthony thompson. >> speak up, please. >> saying the same thing that was just said. you know i forgive you and my family forgives you but we would like you to take this opportunity to repent. repent. confess to the one who matters the most. christ. so he can change you, can change your ways no matter what
happened to you and you'll be okay. do that and you'll be better off than what you are right now. >> thank you, sir. tywanza sanders? your name ma'am? >> felicia sanders. >> thank you miss sanders, for being here. >> we welcomed you wednesday night in our bible study with open arms. you have killed some of the most beautiful people that i know. every fiber in my body hurts. and -- and i'll never be the same.
tywanza sanders is my son but he was my hero. tywanza was my hero. but as we said in bible study, may god have mercy on you. >> thank you, ma'am. a representative of daniel simmons? your name ma'am? >> alana simmons. >> thank you, miss simmons, for being here. your statement, please? >> although my grandfather and the other victims died at the hands of hate this is proof everyone's plea for your soul is proof that they -- they lived and loved and their legacies
will live and love. so hate won't win. and i just want to thank the courts for making sure that hate doesn't win. >> thank you, ma'am, for being here. cynthia hurd a representative of the family of cynthia hurd? thank you very much and thank you for being here today, sir. the reverend depayne middleton-doctor. your name please ma'am? >> depayne- middleton-doctor. she was my sister. i should thank you on behalf of my family for not allowing pain
to win. for me i'm a work in progress and i acknowledge that i am very angry. but one thing that depayne has always joined in our family with is that she taught that we are the family that love built! we have no room for hate. so we have to forgive. and i pray god on your soul and i also thank god that i won't be around when your judgment day comes with him. may god bless you. >> so we just finished listening to the emotional sound from victims' family members at that first hearing for the suspect in this case 21-year-old dylann roof. we're also learning new information from the search warrants that were just released from police. we learned that this young man entered through a side entrance to the church where he had to go in order to get to that bible
study on wednesday night with his victims, where he sat for an hour before opening fire. this new document also revealing that the victims were hit multiple times and there had to have been some serious preparation, it says going in there. he carried a fanny pack presumably with some of the ammunition. we heard from some of the victims' friends and family members saying that they learned that he had to reload several times. and we now know a little bit more about the gun used in this case a .45-caliber gun, a glock 41 which holds 14 rounds. it would take some practice to control the kickback from this gun. as we continue to learn more on the investigation side of all of this i want to go back to my colleague, don lemon, who's joining me now from charleston south carolina where i know you've said, don, that the emotions as you said are up to neck-high. people are just trying to keep their heads above water. but at the same time it seems
like those emotions and people are contained in a very peaceful way. >> they are containing them in a peaceful way. i think you really see the sentiment of the broader community here when you look at how the family members conducted themselves in court today. and i can't help -- i have to say it every time the first person to speak, the first family member to speak said, "i forgive him." that's foreign to a lot of people except for those who are believers and have faith. if my family member was kill two days ago, i don't know if i would be ready to forgive someone that quickly. maybe over time but in two days that's very big of them. i respect that they are able to do that but that's a big thing. speaking of the community here, i've been speaking to a lot of people and one of those people is shari ramsey. you're from mt. hollywood, which is near charlotte? >> charlotte. >> how long is the drive? >> maybe 3 1/2 hours.
>> you came here this morning? why? >> i felt a sense of urgency to get here and show my support and just be here to maybe sympathize and have a voice and tell people we love you and we're supposed to love each other and just bring the sign to show that. love thy neighbor. >> this is a place that is hot and muggy in the summer right? >> very hot. >> lots of water here. people are out on their boats or out swimming. you're here with your sweet tea. so i know that. >> so many of our kids now are youth and even adults are filled with hate. they grow up with little direction in their household and grow up harboring bitterness and have hate in their heart. it's unfortunate and i wanted to share the little bit of lightness. love thy neighbor to make
somebody think. >> you worked for the school system? >> i did for five years years ago. >> how does a student like dylann roof get by someone who is quiet, kept himself somewhat isolated. what happened? >> right. this is a very passionate subject for me because i saw it firsthand. i don't know if he was a loner. i have no idea of his situation at home but in the school system i witnessed different loners and, unfortunately, the kids would single them out and constantly or not playing and unfortunately the teachers would allow it and not only would they allow it they also contributed to it. they also would single out a kid. >> we feed to be more careful and teachers need to be instructed as educators on that. we have to go. i want to thank you for spreading love and peace and togetherness. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. you have a safe trip home.
appreciate it. again, that's the sentiment coming from the folks here in charleston south carolina, as we're on the ground here. we'll continue the breaking news coverage speaking to the people keep you up to date on the investigation as we're talking about the gun and new details about what happened i side the church. we're back after this quick break. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue
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news cover ramgage at the south carolina church. we just got our hands on a stack of affidavits where we are learning new details about what happened inside that church on wednesday night. what we've learned through these arrest warrants has to do with just details, like the fact that the suspect entered through a side door to go to that bible study. i want to bring in danny cevallos who is here to talk about the legal implications and some of the details that we are learning. danny danny, this 21-year-old confessed to the police that he indeed did this. he was not somebody who was not a local in the community. he was a couple of hours away from charleston. does this show that he may have cased this case knew where the bible study was going to be perhaps planning all of this? >> you don't really see that from the affidavit.
it's not going to be a complete narrative of the theory of the case. it's going to be very bare bones. there's a lot of cutting and pasting. this is a document that the police have had to prepare and law enforcement have had to prepare very quickly. these documents are not going to read like very long narratives with each piece of evidence referenced. it's only going to be the bare bones and that's what we're getting. they are holding this defendant without bond, without bail. >> we learned in these affidavits that all of the victims were hit multiple times. they also mentioned with malice and aforethought. why are those words used do you think? >> those are the magic words that you need to establish a case like this. it's not going to be considered absolute evidence later on.
it just makes out the initial case. and from that you can see -- even though there's a substantial amount of cutting and pasting and repeating, you get a lot of the facts, some of which we've heard and some that seem somewhat new. the father family members of the suspect contacted the police and recognized the photograph. but again, that's for each and every victim. they don't need to give us the specifics of each bullet wound, of each manner of death, location things like that. not at this stage. the investigation continues. this is just a very minimal approach to laying out the probable cause, enough to hold this defendant. >> let me ask you about what you just mentioned, which is that the father did apparently contact police after seeing the photographs, it says and the video that was released to the media nationwide. that was before we learned the name. but apparently he was recognized by family members and those family members according to this arrest affidavit, also told
police that they knew that the son owned a .45-caliber handgun and they had already collected .45-caliber casings at the scene. is there any kind of responsibility on the parents' part? could they be brought into this in some way? >> at this point, it's too early to say. as a general proposition, parents and other third parties, especially when someone is no longer an a child but is an adult, parents are not typically responsible for the crimes or other civil wrongs of their children. instead of looking at it as a parent it's more of is there somebody out there that unlawfully facilitated this defendant acquiring a gun? and there are many many criminal statutes that address exactly this behavior. if you unlawfully permit somebody else to have a gun knowingly, then there are a number of -- there's federal and
state law that likely applies and i handled cases like this where, sadly, somebody handed off a gun, sold it under the table to somebody and then that somebody went out and did something really bad with it and it came back to haunt them. >> there are questions about this gun and whether he had it in the first place and had he been arrested fortress trespassing and had a dugrug charge. >> entering through the side door that was the very first picture we saw of him. that's how police caught hem and realized who he was, was because of the pictures that they enhanced him with the bowl haircut, what have you. that's how the woman who helped police track him down yesterday, that's how she recognized him from that first picture of him
entering that side door. but beyond the investigation here because i think, you know most of the people here including lonnie randolph the president of the south carolina naacp, will be watching the investigation very closely but that will take care of itself. you're going to have to deal with the community here. so now what? >> well i hope this is not the usual -- i hope they'll make an exception in this case. >> can i challenge you and say, i was at newtown when it happened. i was at aurora when it happened. those were mass shootings. this has an element of race involved in it. and a number of -- sometimes you say, wait a minute which shooting was that that i went to? you have to go back and recall it and nothing happened. >> well unfortunately, you're accurate and you're correct. i'm also frustrated with the fact that america does not respond well to doing what is
right. america responds when they do the feel-good response. >> which is? >> the microwave response. quick and get it over with and go somewhere else. these things will continue to happen unless we put some things in place as human beings. and i can go through a list of things that we can do better from the educational issues, social issues, health care issues. there's just things that we brag about in this country about, how great it is and the years that we spent making america the number one country in the world. says who? people around the world don't think we're that way and it's not that i don't think we're that way. we talk about being that way but we don't act that way. we don't live the lives of people who are serious about the equal opportunity and justice for all people. >> now, i have to tell you, america is not perfect, by far.
no country is perfect. >> i didn't say perfect. >> but -- >> i didn't say perfect. >> but if you ask people from other places they would much rather live in america if they could afford to live here. >> well again they've never lived here so that's why they say it. i like it here too. my daddy was a world war ii veteran, second-class citizen in world war ii came back from south pacific and could not vote in america. fighting the war for america. not just fighting the war. so we need to -- veterans right now are suffering in this country. >> right. >> why do we have so many -- why do we have so many homeless veterans, people who sacrifice their lives for this country. everybody should be treated with dignity and respect but the people who laid the groundwork and foundation for the freedoms that we have you should always do everything possible and by any means necessary to make life good for those people. >> so mr. randolph we heard the president -- he gave the race
speech before he even became president, right? he's been talking about race. we've had these conversations when it comes to police shootings. we have these conversations when it comes to crime in certain neighborhoods. we talk a lot about race. you may not think that we have enough conversations but we don't actually do anything about it. we always say we need to have a conversation but nothing ever happens. >> that was my next statement. talk is cheap. actions speak a lot louder than words. i would much rather persons who take this on show me -- speaking of our senator clementa pinckney when i heard him giving the history of the church the other night, i thought about a comment that he made and his life was the epitome of what he exhibits and what he's about. he was a good pastor. he gave a message. he was beyond the church in that he didn't have all the shouting
and all of that. not saying that there is anything wrong with that. but he also talked about the issues of life the issues of a community, things that you can do for people by strictly doing them and we don't do that. one of the persons that i spoke with -- i spoke with him several years ago, a student at allen university. >> one of the victims? >> yes. he was a student at allen university. involved with the naacp as a college student. >> i've got to get to a break. >> but very quickly we talked about one of the sermons edgar guest has a poem entitled "sermons we seek." too many people tell you what they do but edgar said don't tell me your sermon. show me your sermon. people need to stop telling i have a bit of news for you and our audience. we were talking about what the
injures department does after these situations whether this is terrorism or not. the justice department is considering adding -- investigating this as a domestic terrorist act. we're going to talk about that when we come back. >> i think that's a good idea. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. appreciate it. ♪ so this is what it's come to. human sardines packing into tiny frames. carrying around sticks like cavepeople. trying anything to fit in everything. you can keep struggling to get everyone in your shot. or, you can change the way you take
welcome back to our breaking coverage of the developments surrounding the tragic shooting at that historic church in charleston south carolina. we are getting new comments from the white house regarding the confederate flag which still flies there at the statehouse in south carolina as you see in video here.
white house spokesperson eric shultz was asked about the ongoing debate about flying this flag at the south carolina statehouse and he responded, quote -- the president said before he believes the confederate flag belonged in a museum. that's still his position. end quote. that was from white house snow spokesperson eric shultz. the justice department also with new developments this afternoon, say it will consider domestic terrorism charges in the mass shooting in charleston. i want to bring in yen's justice correspond evan perez, and antheya, butt le and you wrote a piece about the seemingly unwillingness to call this massacre an act of terror. we'll talk about you with you in a moment but first evan what is the justice department saying? >> reporter: there's no doubt if he if he had entered a black
flag with abe bick writing, no doubt someone would be calling it terrorism. the justice department issued a statement, we have it up here on the screen they say that the investigation is ongoing. they say this heartbreaking episode was undoubtedly designed to strike fear and terror into this community and the department is looking at this crime from all angles including a hate crime and as an act of domestic terrorism. the definition in the federal law of what terrific is requires the prosecutors to look at whether or not the crime was designed to intimidate whether it was designed to force the government to do something. those are the things that they have to take into account. that's the reason why at first they just focused on mate crimes simply because we know the suspect said the words, he was there to shoot black people when he entered the church. one thing to quickly note -- one of the earliest laws against
counter terrorism was an 1871 law, which was passed to counter the intimidation of the ku klux klan against black people in the south. that's something to remember. this suspect, dylann roof was actually espousing some of those same beliefs that the ku klux klan believed. >> thank you for all of that evan perez. i have to bring in anthea butler. you just without a poignant article in "the washington post," titled "shooters of terror are called terrorists and thugs. why are white shooters called mentally ill?" what's your reaction to the announcement? >> i'm happy that the justice department is considering this as domestic terrorism. the trial in boston only three people died in that terrorist bombing in boston and that was heinous. how much more heinous is it to killed nine people in cold blood
after going to a bible study to a historic black church in a town where you know that the birth of this church and to the members and to the general public is an important place to black people to gather and worship. so i'm very happen to have -- to see this happen. i hope that it goes through. >> let me read you some of the words we have heard from officials. even the president using some of these words -- senseless murders, unspeakable tragedy, hate crime, but we have not heard that world "terrorism." why do you think? >> i think because it's easy part of the media's issue with this and why i wrote the article is because we tend to make shooters like this to say they're ill, or fragile. i was just listening before i came out to how people have been referring to dylann roof as a young man and all these other things. i think we want to soft pedal the gravity of the situation. he is a terrorist. he those about it. he planned it he talked to
friend about it. clearly he's connected to white supremacist groups. he'sing wearing the flag of rhodesia of apartheid south africa. all of that when you start to put it together is terroristic activities as far as i'm concerned. >> where does this hate come from? >> well it comes from a lot of place it is. i'm glad you asked me that because what we haven't talked about in this country is the uptick in racial hate groups since 2008 and president obama taking office. guns went up over 90% in sales that first week after the election. the southern poverty law center has chronicled how many more hate groups and hate speech has risen since 2008. america's been like this. and when your previous guest said about the kkk in 1870 1871 this kind of racial terroristic activity is part of what america is all about. until we face this history, we
are not going to be healed from this history. >> anthea butler thank you for your thoughtful comments and evan perez thank you for the update. that will do it for me. happy friday. brianna keel ser in for jake tapper and "the lead" starts right now. \s. emotions laid bare at the first court appearance. this is "the lead." the national lead -- dylann roof confessed to coldly gunning down nine innocent people in this afternoon in his bond hearing, he heard from method grieving family that he hurt so badly. some said i forgive you. roof was radicalized, said he was hoping to start a race war. how many others out there are plotting a similar attack. also on national -- they may wish they were forgotten, but the two prisoners still on the run. richard matt and david sweat have landed on the u.s. marshal's most wanted list.