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>> very good. donald trump is going to be jake tapper's guest on state of the union. we'll get a chance to watch him. thanks very much. that's it for me remember you can follow us on twitter, please tweet me @wolfblitzer. you can tweet the show @sitroom. erin burnett out front begins now. >> breaking news in the manhunt for two convicted killers. joyce mitchell admitting to hiding hack is a blades in hamburger meet. boots found belonging to one of the killers. are police about to catch them? more breaking news freddie gray's autopsy just leaking tonight. what does this mean for the baltimore officers charged in his death. the stunning conclusions from that report. new dashcam video from the moment dylann roof was arrested. let's go "out front."
for signs of richard matt and david sweat. there was a major development tonight, police say the men left behind a pair of boots in a cabin, they say this could mean at least one of the men is fleeing barefoot. the terrain is rugged and unforgiving, you're going to see it in a moment. swamps and steep cliffs litter the area. also breaking at this hour a source just now telling cnn that joyce mitchell that's the prison employee under arrest for helping sweat, she's confessed to putting hacksaw blades into frozen chunks of ham burger meet. she passed it on to a correction officer who gave it to richard matt and didn't mutt it through a metal detector we'll have much more on this reporting,
including the fact that she tried to convince other employees to move the two killers cells so they were side by side. mitchell's husband today speaking out for the first time despite all these reports, his wife says she did not have sex with the two men. >> did you ask her? >> she wore on her son's life i never ever had sex with him. >> alexander fields is live outside owl's head. last minute desperate runs today. >> you've been speaking with police they have an alarming new concern at this hour? >> there has been nothing but a sense of urgency to make this capture since they broke out of that security prison. every passing day that sense of
urgency only grows many we're hearing from the franklin county sheriff, a little more about this area tonight. it's filled with seasonal homes and cabins. it's entirely possible that people who packed up and left for the winter could have left guns behind. law enforcement officers making sure they are prepared for any eventuality, when they make that capture which they hope to make it's been three days since law enforcement has come out saying they had a confirmed lead in this case they are pursuing every tip that is generating in this area. we watched as they swarmed various areas. they would bring in the canines, law enforcement investigators, and then they would clear those areas after they determined a lead was not found. >> and they also. you today went out in the woods today to see what they were doing, you found it incredibly
hard to navigate. >> it's been a big question for everyone could they make their way on foot some 22 miles west the reality is this is the northern part of the adirondacks. it's deeply forested. the advantage the fugitives have is the possibility of gaining cover in that brush. we know the reality is it may provide some temporary shelter. law enforcement hoping they make a misstep, they burglarize someone catches that and that's what leads police to ultimately close in on them. >> they're hoping obviously, hoping every hour that they're going to get them. there is a shocking new detail about joyce mitchell the woman charged with helping the killer's escape. a source telling cnn tonight, mitchell put a number of hacksaw
blades more than one in frozen meat. then she gave that meat to a prison guard to hand deliver it to one of the convicted killers. that guard apparently did not put the meat through a metal detector. jason is the one breaking all of this news. what are you learning? this is stunning stuff. >> that guard you talked about, his name is gene palmer. he said his client did not know what was in that meat the client passed that meat through a metal detector. this is a woman who had been vouching for the two men for several months baking goods and giving them to other guards to curry favor to convince other guards there at the correctional facility that these two were good guys guys who could be
trusted. she went as far as to recommend that david sweat's cell be moved right next to richard matt's. all of this information coming forward as her husband is also coming forward speaking about all those allegations surrounding her. >> as the search continues, a chilling video from abc news shows richard matt in 1997 smile ing and posing with a blow gun, offering some insight into his mind-set. >> we're going to put a patent on them and sell them as a deadly weapon. >> it's fired into his arm, the videotape nine months before he murdered and dismembered his own boss. 48-year-old matt and 35-year-old david sweat are the center of a massive manhunt aided by joyce
mitchell who befriended the convicted killers and agreed to be their getaway driver. >> i said how can you do that she said it just got out of hand, i was scared and i didn't know what to do. >> mitchell's husband denied reports his wife had a relationship with sweat. >> she didn't know if i loved her any more. if i had given her a little attention it went too far. he tried to kiss her a couple times, she said no that's when he started to threaten her on things. >> joyce mitchell told investigators matt and sweat plan to kill her husband. according to lyle matt offered her pills to knock him out. she said i love my husband, i am not hurting him. she said, i can't do this.
>> lyle says his wife acknowledged he liked the attention the inmates gave her. and her involvement was more of a fantasy, that she was a victim of matt's charm. mitchell may be more con than victim a source familiar with the investigation says for several months mitchell routinely vouched for matt and sweat at the prison bringing baked goods to guards in exchange for favors. the same source said mitchell went as far as to go to prison officials and ask that sweat's cell be moved next to matt's. the clinton correctional facility would not comment on whether mitchell requested the two inmates be housed next to each other. the spokeswoman says there are a number of ongoing investigations. and that until they have concluded. we will not be able to provide information on issues that may be under review. erin there will be a review of prison policy. one of the many agencies looking
into everything that happened at that prison before the escape. >> thank you very much. jason mcneil is helping with the manhunt. you heard our alexander field saying these men could be armed. how big of a concern is that for you? >> it's a concern, i'm confident that the police authorities here will capture these guys we have a very large police presence and they know what they're doing. >> there were a couple false sightings, there's urgency, they're putting all the resources into it. they have not panned out. does that worry you? >> no obviously one was a civilian making a report.
the population is keeping an eye out for things and making reports as they've been requested. so things like that will happen each of the reports will be investigated and confirmed or not. >> you've got about 1,000 people looking right now, it's 20% more than last week just as everyone said you were going to pull it back you all are putting more people in you're confident that they're nearby. can you keep that kind of manpower steady? >> >>. >> i think that is so. and we've had help from all over the state and vermont, we've seen people from long island syracuse utica. you name it they've been here and that's how it's all been working. i'm confident that we can keep the manpower going. >> thank you very much. >> >>. >> out front now, i want to
bring in a man who knew joyce and lyle mitchell. you know more than pretty much anyone else right now, the breaking news tonight, cnn learning joyce mitchell admitted to putting the frozen hacksaw blades into the meat and had a guard give it to richard matt. >> i won the have done it. >> does it shock you to hear that joyce mitchell would do that? is that the woman that you know? >> >>. >> no. i wouldn't say she would do that no. >> what we're getting is she's admitted to doing this and also to lobbying prison officials to put the two men's cells side by side. >> can't hardly hear 37.
>> can you hear me now, james. >> better yes. >> she's admitted to trying to get the men's cells to be side by side. lobbying prison officials to do that. what do you think would happen to make her act this way? >> i do believe she was manipulate ed manipulated. when you get too close to inmates notice jail they ask you to do favors and it leads on from there. >> do you think there were others involved? joyce mitchell is saying she gave this meat with the blades in it to a guard. she convinced him to not put it through a metal detector. the question to you is do you think there were other people involved in helping these mennes cape? >> it's a possibility. i'm not saying for sure because i don't know.
but it's a possibility. >> and because you knew richard matt and david sweat, and you're one of the few that can say that we saw a video a moment ago on the program, richard matt was with a blow dart gun, he had a sick fascination with killing people. does that fit with the inmate you knew? >> no matt never gave me a hard time at all, he worked in the taylor shop he was a model inmate he did all the right things. he didn't give me any problems. >> you saw that in him. >> david sweat was shadier, sneakier. basically, i think he would be the one that masterminded the whole thing. >> interesting. that's interesting you say that.
you're saying david sweat. lyle mitchell spoke to matt lauer about the men and how they tried to manipulate him. not just his wife but also lyle mitchell. >> i been there ten years, almost. ten years september. every time i weren't in there, these two always speak to me. >> i think they were going from person to person doing the same thing, see who they can get close to. >> were these guys just as charming to you, trying to win you over? >> no. i went and did my job. you don't make friends with inmates. >> i appreciate your time, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> out front next the killers on the run get help from another prisoner and are they taking a page from his playbook? more breaking news the autopsy in the death of freddie gray
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spinal cord injury in police custody. joe johns is out front. it's important for people to understand this autopsy report is the core of the case. everyone has been waiting for it demanding it pounding the table for it now all of a sudden it has leaked out. what is the bottom line. >> the sun reporting the injury occurred inside the police van while freddie gray was in police custody. he suffered a high energy injury like those seen in shallow water diving accidents. most likely caused when the police van decelerated. the most significant injury to gray was the lower part of his head. and that the injury may have resulted when he got on his feet and thrown into the wall of the police van. it's been widely reported he was not in a seat belt while he was in the van, but the maryland state medical examiner's report said his wrists and ankles were shackled making him at risk for an unsupported fall for
acceleration or deceleration of the van. >> that is why they didn't rule this an zen, right? they're not saying they tried to kill him, but they are saying that he should have been restrained? >> right, according to the sun's reporting, gray's death was deemed a homicide and could not be ruled an accident in part because of what is referred to as acts of omission by the officers who handled gray after his arrest the officers failed to follow safety procedures so yeah we've been reporting for a long time that gray wasn't properly seat belted before the van started moving. important to note that all six officers charged in the case have entered not guilty pleas. and this report also raises an issue that's likely to be emphasized by attorneys defending the six officers who have been charged in the case. the medical examiner noted that gray's body tested positive for opiates, the active ingredient in marijuana, in his system at the time the autopsy was conducted. >> certainly going to be important for the defense. let's talk more about that now,
joe, thank you. i want to go to the forensic scientists. you're with me let me start with you, the autopsy, has leaked out, as i said i want to emphasize, this is what everyone has been waiting for. this is the core of 2, we're getting all the details. he suffered a single high energy injury. what does that mean? >> we didn't see the autopsy report we only have some of these's interpretation of the report we haven't heard anything about broken vertebrae. the answer to the question directly is that it takes great force to break three vertebrae if that's exactly what happened. and that it happened sometime between the second stop and the fourth stop. and i think that's based on the observation that after the fourth stop he had trouble breathing, his limbs were limp and so the likelihood is high that it happened after the second stop. i should say, though had we had
the autopsy report we might have a better handle on whether this was a two step problem. did the initial trauma to the vertebrae happen before he got into the van? i think that really hasn't been answered fully. >> right, and obviously that could be crucial in terms of culpability. everyone's been waiting for this report what is the bottom line for the officer's defense now? >> well certainly the fact that there was some toxicology positive results, defense may try to use. >> and you're talking about the opiates and marijuana, right? >> yeah they may say that made gray act a certain way, or that he was over reacting to his circumstances or situation, quite honestly you're talking about things that are barbiturates that bring you down as opposed to pcp or crack/cocaine or some type of meth that may suggest over reaction. i think they have a really tough time if they try to use or over use toxicology. most importantly, this is an event where the police arrest
you and take you into custody, they have an obligation and responsibility to treat you a certain way. not only with respect, but to protect your safety. that didn't happen i think the most significant problem you're going to have they drove around with him, bouncing him around in the van for an hour when it was a five or seven minute trip. >> which leads to the implied conclusion that they were doing that on purpose to give him a rough ride right? that's the implication? >> they would have stood him up in the van, and then let the van ride. that didn't happen. >> this is the core thing, they may have wanted to rough him up there's nothing in that report that indicates they wanted to kill him, the driver of the van is the only one charged with murder he is charged with second degree murder. now, if it is true they didn't seat belt him, they gave him a rough ride, but they didn't intent to kill him, would that charge hold up? >> you talk about depraved -- >> it's a lesser charge. >> it's almost like there's a
willful intent to kill i don't see that here. >> mark? was that your takeaway too? >> it's close, here's the thing, it goes from neglect to willful the more you do. the driver of the car who had responsibility for the car, if he was stopping and starting now supported by the medical examiner's report seemingly, it happened because of the quick deceleration. that's on the driver and i think since we know the prosecutor had the report a day before she made these charges, that she held the driver responsible because he was the one moving that car forward or stopping and starting quickly, which is exactly what led to the death. >> all right. well thanks very much both of you, obviously, this possibly complicating the prosecutor's job on some levels on other levels supporting her charges. the prosecutor is saying she did not release this. is not the one responsible for the leak tonight. out front next breaking news on south carolina's confederate flag. and our trip to a store selling
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breaking news south carolina lawmakers voting to consider taking down the confederate flag. this is a major step and it happened as protesters surrounded the state's capitol demanding the flag came down. dylann roof the raisist killer who slaughtered nine innocent americans used the flag as a symbol of hate. the governor's of virginia and north carolina called for the removal of confederate flags from license plates and more major retailers said they'll stop selling confederate flag merchandise. ed lavandera is out front. the con federal flag was fought in a war to preserve slavery. many do not want to see it go. >> the flag is embedded in some
parts of southern culture. you've seen a growing chorus for the flag to disappear in recent days we saw the intensity and anger this issue can spark. >> are we on your [ bleep ] agenda today? get out of somerville. >> this is what happened when we tried to shoot video of a store in somerville south carolina. this man who refused to identify himself, wanted to make sure we couldn't show you the sign announcing three shirts for $25. he threw in an onbscenity laced tirade for free. >> people come together in peace, why don't you worry about that. >> it didn't end there. the man followed us and tried to get in the way of us shooting other pictures around town. >> with so much focus on the confederate battle flag tempers and passions are heated once again over this divisive symbol. since the murders of nine african-americans at the emmanuel ame church in charleston. the calls to bring down the confederate flag have largely
focused on the state capitol grounds. confederate imagery is big business. found in countless stores shops and front yards across the south. confederate flag symbols are emblazened on everything you can imagine. buying these items may be getting a little tougher. amazon ebay walmart and sears are banning the sale of confederate flag merchandise. randy keeps this flag framed in his office. >> the national flag was changed. he's a spokesman for the sons of confederate veterans. 57 of his ancestors fought for the confederacy in the civil war. 16 of them died in battle. for him, it's a symbol of family sack vice. >> once this is moved it will be a slippery slope. and then the next thing will be street names and building names which has already begun.
complete eradication to eliminate confederate history. >> this is the reminder that the issue won't go away without a fight. >> you're all part of the problem. >> as we mentioned, amazon.com has decided to stop selling confederate flag memorabilia. before the company made the announcement there was one item being sold in the last 24 hours, the sales for that confederate flag jumped 2300%. >> thank you very much. pretty incredible when you saw the response of that guy from the dixie store. out front now, i want to bring in jonathan hill. i appreciate your taking the time sir. coming on to talk about this a lot of people who believe what you believe aren't talking on tv i want to start this by saying i appreciate you doing it. you believe the confederate flag should keep flying in south carolina, why? >> that is my position. and the reason i have that position is because i think it
is extremely important that we remember this very dark time in our history, the mistakes that were made in the past because, you know if we begin to systematically throughout our country begin removing all the monuments, all the flags and so forth then we're going to put ourselves in a position where we begin to forget our past history, it's not a history that any of us should really be proud of. all lives matter including the lives of those who fought and died for their homes and their families. in the confederacy. but i think the real issue here is that you're not going to defeat racism through politics you're going to defeat it through love and forgiveness. that's what the people of the emmanuel church understood their response has been truly remarkable thanks to the grace of god. >> it's true that getting rid of a flag isn't going to get rid of racism there's no question that what you say there is true. when you bring up the flag as a
reminder of history. you're talking about it flying at a war memorial and how that's appropriate. the south lost the war or the south fought to preserve slavery. similarly, the nazis lost right? to be consistent would you be okay with a nazi flag flying at a world war ii memorial? >> i'm sorry, can you repeat the question? >> i said would you be okay with a nazi flag flying at a world war ii memorial? >> you know i'm not sure if it's quite the same thing, i think that the -- certainly the nazi flag was part of germany's history, and everything but what we're talking about here is the confederate flag. specifically it's general lee's battle flag. i certainly understand the comparison. and i think that there's a proper context for everything
including the swastika including germany's flag, and including the confederate flag i think those who want to take it down out here i don't know if it's visible in the monument but the -- if you're going to take it down and put it in the museum you're saying that the flag itself offends you, it's going to offend you in the museum content as well. it's a mini-museum erected to the lives of those who fought and died. and i think once again, the real issue here is the thing that we should be focusing on is the fact that the families and the community is really pulled together in charleston and that's a remarkable thing. >> what i'm trying to understand is the confederate flag was a symbol of the side that went to war to preserve slavery, to preserve buying owning and selling black people. that's what the south fought for in the civil war. is that worth honoring?
>> based on what now? >> i'm saying the flag is -- >> certainly, the flag was used by the confederacy, it was used in the war to help to maneuver troops and so forth, the south -- slavery was a component of the war between the states and it was -- you know unfortunately, we were on the wrong side of the slavery issue. i wish we hadn't had to fight a states battle. >> thank you for your time representative hill. >> thank you. out front next we have new dash cam video of dylann roof showing the moments he was captured. we're learning a lot more about his past. we have those breaking details right after this. and more on our other breaking story, the new york manhunt. could the killers be getting tips from another inmate. who was on the run in the same area for months?
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arrested. there's been a lot of focus on what happened at this moment. the 21-year-old was captured in north carolina the day after he gunned down nine people in charleston. in the video, roof appears to be cooperating with police he allows them to pat him down. he says that he did all this to start a race war. martin savage is in charleston tonight what more are we learning about roof from this police report? >> we have the incident report the voice of the officer who makes the initial approach and takedown. you can only imagine the focus, he knows he's now confronting an armed mass murderer the officer takes a tactical approach. he tells roof to put his hands on the staring wheel, which he does. he commands him to turn off the ignition but do it slowly.
he asks for the person's name and dylann roof identifies himself. step by step by step he seems to be a cooperative person. and yet he's the man who just 12 hours before had gunned down in cold blood nine people. also in this incident report we find out that the other officers find the weapon in the back seat. what is it? it looks like a glock semiautomatic, which means it looks like the murder weapon one more thing, they find a pillow. apparently that's how he past the night sleeping in his car. this is not the mass murderer they expected to find even though that's exactly what he was. >> no of course not what they expected to find and now as we've been learning he had intended to take his own life after that mass killing. thanks to martin i want to bring in casey jordan.
he came from a rich family. there was divorce, alleged f.m. abuse to his stepmother. bad things but things that many people go through. nothing about this family seems to stand out as a red flag. >> a lot of people were expecting to find out that the family was racist they may have been the sort who was ignorant, uneducated and provoked that kind of old world vigilantism. the idea that they are upper middle class is not surprising. it's not the income or the education, it's the conflict that is going to leave dylann roof with a big void in his life. we don't know anything about his biological mother. >> we know this is his stepmother. >> his stepmother was raising him. dropping out of high school at the ninth grade means he was feeling hopeless from a very young age. >> as much as we say there
aren't obvious red flags in the family, we don't know about the biological mother there were red flags about roof himself. there were a lot of them. here's what two of his friends said to cnn. >> he was saying he wanted to do something crazy, and that he wanted a race war, and i didn't believe him, but yeah. >> they were jokes, i guess racist slurs, but they were never taken too seriously. until now i'm looking at it in a different manner. >> he took roof's gun away in the days before the murder. not a single one of them said anything to law enforcement. could this have been prevented? >> you have a first amendment right to say as many racist things as you want to. it's action. they couldn't have done anything. you have to actually make a specific threat to do great
bodily harm to yourself or someone else before law enforcement can intervene and get you a psych evaluation. he was just exercising his first amendment right to be racist. out front next, our other breaking story, the new york manhunt. did the two killers get help from another prisoner. we found one who escaped in the same way, stayed hitten in a cabin for five months. this is what happens when a morning show misses the mark on television.
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into frozen meat, then gave it to a prison guard, who handed it to richard mack, what we know about their 18 days on the run is very similar to the prison escape of a man named ralph bucky philips. another killer who escaped and hid in the same woods for five months. the three killers all served time together at clinton correctional. >> reporter: 18 days into the search for richard matt and david sweat, the convicted kill ers are on the run. their ability to avoid capture has striking similarities to another massive manhunt involving an inmate named ralph bucky philips. it was 2006 when philips escaped from the erie correctional center setting off the largest manhunt in state history, the
five-month search forced the authorities into the same wooded terrain where they're now searching for matt and sweat. philips burglarized hunting cabins along the way. >> they're supplied with food and weapons. he was able to obtain guns from the cabins. we even found one place where he could watch himself on television. >> were matt and sweat inspired by philip's escape? the case was widely reported and the two were at the correctional center at the same time although philips was in 24-hour isolation. >> we have evidence that shows he knew exactly what he was doing. >> the sheriff helped to search for philips in the same treacherous mountains of upstate new york and says it is rough. >> you're talking about heavy trees and brush and mosquitos and -- overgrowth and downed
trees, ravines. it is almost shoulder to shoulder search because people can hide. >> like matt and sweat, philips was also on the u.s. marshal's wanted list after his manhunt turned deadly. he shot three state troopers killing one. later, he surrendered after 153 days in that difficult terrain. now, authorities are treading carefully hoping this manhunt has a different ending. >> so they all three were you know at the same jail. the people you talked to believe it is very possible that matt and sweat learned from bucky philips. >> well i just got off the phone with the prosecutor who prosecuted bucky philips. remember after they found him after five months ss he was sent to the correctional center. although he didn't really talk to inmates, inmates talk. so terry flynn, who i just spoke
to believes they learned from him quite possibly because it is very similar, the cabins hiding in the cabins. and the result of the largest manhunt in new york state culminated in a manual of what to do and not do when a prisoner escapes. you can bet, erin they're looking at this manhunt right now. because this man shot and killed two troopers before he was finished. >> all right, thank you, next, jeanne moos with the drummer. this happened in manhattan. you know, it's fox news. we'll be right back. seems like we've hit a road block. that reminds me... anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea... ...gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against occasional digestive issues. with three types of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'.
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remember when ed ames fired his tomahawk on the carson show? at least the drummer didn't get drilled below the belt. jeanne moos cnn, new york. >> oh goodness okay thank you for joining us. "ac360" starts now. >> good evening, thank you for joining us if you're waiting for the next shoe to drop in the next prison story, the boots, apparently that they abandoned in a rush to get out of the cabin before the authority could search them. it's giving them reason to believe it could all be over soon. there are concerns on how far the seamstress and accomplice reportedly helped and became intimate with. detailed admission she made about her
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