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th carolina. but first, we have another worker facing charges in the prison escape. jean palmer back in court today accused of loaning the escaped killers tools behind bars and tampering with evidence. we'll begin our coverage with boris sanchez live in new york. boris, you are live where the convicts were hiding in the cabin and now they found something in the cabin much more dangerous than food. >> reporter: chris, the only thing officials have confirmed was in the cabin was a pair of boots the inmates apparently left behind. they are now revealing many details about the personal items where the dna was linked to richard matt and david sweat. meantime the investigation is not just going on here at alice head but also at the clinton correctional facility where a second employee has been charged. breaking overnight, that second corrections officer arrested in connection to a brazen new york jailbreak now out onbail. tampering with evidence he
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carried hamburger meat with tools embezzled to the convicts. he was acting at the request of joyce mitchell who hid the tools in the meat and brought them into the jail. palmer's lawyer telling cnn his client was unaware there were hacksaw blades and drill bits inside the meat. though the prosecution says he failed to screen the meat through a metal detector violating prison policy. >> he was conned by joyce mitchell. she duped him. he knows that he made a mistake and shouldn't have done what he did. >> reporter: police searching palmer's home finding tools that officials say the guard gave to at least one of the prisoners, including a screwdriver and wrench. >> there is some information that he allowed them to go into the back of the cells in the catwalk area and fix the breakers that were there.
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it was to help the breaker, fix the breakers so they could use their hot place to cook their food. >> reporter: the catwalk area is matt and sweat's escape path. he supervised the workers doing the work and took the tools back before the end of his shift. now palmer posted $25,000 bail earlier this morning. he's due back in court later today. one of their interesting notes is officials believe that gene palmer may have destroyed paintings given to him from richard matt. now to allison in south carolina with a lot going on there. alison? >> reporter: i have to tell you about the remarkable scene here at the statehouse yesterday. it was 98 degrees and there was a heat index, meaning the feel of the air, that was 106 degrees. yet thousands of people stood in an hour-long line behind me that
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snaked around the block around the statehouse. there were people of all strikes, old and young. people were dressed as though they were going to church there were black and white people standing shoulder to shoulder. they were sharing fans and bottled water and holding the door open for each other. it was a remarkable show of love and unity and respect for their friend and leader senator, clementa pickney. the bible study resumed in the same room where the massacre took place one week earlier. the interim pastor declaring this territory belongs to god. earlier in the day thousands lined up in the sweltering heat as a horse-drawn casen carried reverend and reverend clementa pinckney.
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>> he was sensitive to the needs of many others. >> reporter: many were temporarily bringing down the flag for a day, but her office released a statement saying haley does not have the authority to remove the flag herself. meanwhile, alabama's republican governor did order the confederate flag to be removed from its state capitol grounds. and officials in boise, idaho, removed the mississippi flag from a display of all 50 in front of city hall. >> let's take it away. let's say we want nothing to do with it. >> reporter: all this as the son of one of the nine victims calls south carolina senator tim scott to share his hopeful vision. >> he said with great enthusiasm and energy a sense of excitement that this evil attack would lead to reconciliation or restoration and unity in our nation. >> reporter: senator scott fighting back tears on the
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senate floor recounting that call. >> those were powerful words. >> reporter: as we have seen the issues here in columbia continue to reverberate around the country. more laukwmakers are demanding the flags to be removed. senator blackwell has this story for us. what have you learned? >> reporter: alyson there's no question that this is building momentum beyond south carolina. check out this list of states where this controversy has started to build. mississippi, tennessee, arkansas florida, georgia, north carolina alabama. and alabama is an interesting case because while south carolina's lawmakers and the governor are tangled and have been entangled in this fight to go on for days and weeks, in alabama robert bentley ordered the flags to come down wednesday morning and that's exactly what happened with relatively little backlash from what we're seeing. he said that there are bigger challenges facing the state.
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here's what else he said about that. >> it's offensive to some people especially one type of flag is offensive to some people. because unfortunately it's like a swastika. some people have adopted that as part of their -- maybe hate-filled groups. and, you know that's a shame. >> reporter: and this is spreading beyond the south. there are several bases named after confederate figures or in honor of confederate figures. the pentagon being forced to release a statement on why those names exist. and we'll put it up on the screen. these historic names represent individuals not causes or ideologies. it should be noted that the naming occurred in the spirit of reconciliation not division. so an indication that the fight is not only in the south and the fight is far from over alyson. >> thank you so much for all that victor. despite the uproar over the confederate flag it did remain
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flying over the state capitol during the ceremony for state senator and reverend clementa pinckney. we are joined by a conservative radio talk show host and also the cousin of reverend clementa pinckney. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> reporter: what a remarkable service for your cousin yesterday. thousands waited in line for more than an hour it was swelteringly hot. yet in line they talked about what a giant of a leader he was. can you tell us from being in his family what he was like? >> you know we all -- we grew up in south carolina. he and his family later moved to jasper county. in fact his parents and my parents lived across the south carolina fields growing up. and pinckney was also someone who had a moral compass, a sense
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for right and wrong. even as a kid he had a sense for fairness. so it was not surprising to me and the family that at age 15 age 13 he became a minister and went on to become the youngest person ever elected in the house in the state senate and the state of south carolina. and my brother, who is also a democrat in the state senate they were very close. they grew up together they were legislators together and were on the finance committee together. and even the day before his death they were discussing finance issues how to move this state toward the budget. how to find more money in the caucus? how to help those who just want the american dream. i'm just telling you before he is irreplaceable and a decent guy. some people want to hear a sermon but clementa lived the sermon every day through his example and words. even in the legislator the outpouring of support and love is because the legislators from the governors to both sides of
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the aisle knew this guy. this guy really meant something. he didn't really care about politics but really cared about the, withwork. it is what americans want to see in congress across the country. he's one of those rare people that xemexemplifyied this. so the reason this debate is so highly regarded because this is not a distant person they are hearing about. they knew his character. they knew his will to do better. and it's reflective in all the outpouring you see in the celebration of his life. >> reporter: armstrong, i believe you. i was standing next to a person in live an advocate of aids research. she said of everyone in the legislator she said clementa pinckney was the one most interested. i do want to ask you about the flag because so many people are asking for the flag that flies over my shoulder the
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confederate flag, to be taken down even if just for a day while he was lying in state. but that didn't happen. what do you think of the governor nikki haley's rational that she did not feel like she had authority to take it down for a day? >> well, alyson we all understand processes and understand that state governments operate entirely different. the alabama governor has the unilateral authority to remove the flag. it's quite different because the power really resides in the legislator. and there was a debate about this flag some time ago and it compromised this region to move elsewhere. but something awakened in the spirits and consciousness of people all over this country. i don't want to be a hypocrite because i have not been an advocate of the flag coming down. i felt that symbols don't hate individuals hate. individuals perpetrate crimes. but even for me as strong as i felt as a son of the south about the flag even just out of
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tribute to the families and the devastation and the loss of lives in one of the most sacred places the church where you go to find refuge and peace. that people could die. if this flag influenced the mind of the terrorist that committed this hapeinous crime. when you see people changing their minds in the way they felt last week, something is happening in this country that should have happened a long ago. and it's so sad that it has taken this tragicdeath ofnine families in a state and a nation that comes to realize that we have got to communicate with each other. we've got to know each other better. weave we've got to love forgive and move on. if that flag is part of that process, yes, remove it and do much more in the process. >> reporter: yeah. you know, armstrong, the state legislator agreed to come back this summer to debate it.
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they might do so around the fourth of july, but before that is is there a solution you would like to see before that for instance this friday when your cousin's funeral will be held in charleston. as you know the president and the vice president are coming in to be here. and some have said this flag should not be flying for that day. would you like to see governor nikki haley do something outside of the bounds of that process to temporarily take the flag down this week? >> alyson many of us in the family think it's wonderful that the president and the vice president are coming to south carolina tomorrow. because what it symbolizes is that this is a national day of mourning for all of us still trying to gather and understand this madness. that there's still people in the world today with the mentality, if i had been in that church i would have been one of the victims. not knowing anything about me or my character, you just kill people because you have this idea. i think what we have to celebrate is the fact that
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whether the flag is flying tomorrow or not is that substantial progress has been made. if you look across this country, you look at what is happening, the change that's happening so rapidly, you have to celebrate that. not everything can be accomplished in a week or day, but at least it's very sobering and peaceful for us to realize that progress is being made. so whether that flag flies tomorrow or not should not do anything to make us think that we cannot continue to believe in this great place of america. still that shining city on the hill setting that example. it may not happen tomorrow but we believe it will happen. and for that that's good enough for us right now. >> reporter: armstrong, we felt that progress yesterday in this line of mourners waiting to see your cousin. that was a line of love and unity. so here in south carolina they are moving forward. armstrong williams thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on your cousin. we're so sorry for your loss. >> thank you, alyson.
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>> we'll go back to you in south carolina in a moment but first quite an emotional day in boston. the boston marathon bomber breaking his silence. apologizing for the first time for the horrific terror attack. survivors, however, not necessarily buying his words of remorse as he was sentenced to death. cnn is live in boston with reaction. what a day yesterday, devon. >> reporter: it was a very powerful day as people stood up in court and addressed dzhokhar tsarnaev telling him how this bombing impacted their lives. and most were taken by surprise when the bomber stood up and apologized. sentenced to die by execution, marathon bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev at last broke his silence. telling the court in his words, the bombing, which i am guilty of if there's any lingering doubt about that let there be no more. i did do it along with my brother. dressed in a dark suit and speaking in a heavily affected
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accent the 21-year-old convicted terrorist apologized saying i'm sorry for the lives i've taken, the suffering i've caused the damage i have done. to the prosecutors in some victims, his words rang hollow. >> i regret having ever wanted to hear him speak because what he said showed no remorse, no regret and no empathy for what he's done to our lives. >> what i was struck more was by what he didn't say. he didn't renounce terrorism. he didn't renounce violent extremism. >> reporter: they spoke to tsarnaev referring to him in the cell gregory smiled. it's so funny you smile and flip off the camera. i feel that's what we're doing to you. when people think back they won't remember your name or your brothers. some victims forgave tsarnaev. others like the parents of 8-year-old martin richard
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choosing to honor their son's short life by rejecting tsarnaev's message. he chose hate he chose destruction, he chose death. we choose love. we choose peace. and the mood inside that court, there was anger, there was grief, there was forgiveness, defiance and really the sense that so many people's lives had changed. some lost jobs. some relationships ended. things are different for so many who are in that court now. tsarnaev will be sent to terre haute, indiana, and he'll be the youngest person on death row. chris? >> thank you very much deb. really emotional words there yesterday and people wanted to hear from this man and now they have. also breaking overnight, isis launching deadly offensives in two syrian cities. in kabani isis detonated a car bomb along the border of turkey
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to kill and wound many. and there was also one car bomb detonated in hasaka. white house majority leader mitch mcconnell says this is a win for the trade agenda giving him authority to finalize a key trade deal with pacific rim nations. many democrats voted against it calling it a give away to big business at the expense of american workers. president obama making it clear he won't be heckled, at least not in his house. hold on a second. okay. you know what? no no no no no. no no no no no. hey. listen. you're in my house.
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>> the interruption was coming from a transgender immigrant saying lbg members were excluded from his talk. >> i kept thinking i was watching the vice president watching this all up fold it took a while for the security people to come in and deal with that. >> sometimes you have to judge each situation by what the threat level is. and even though you had all this push-back, it's not his house, it's everybody's house. he is the president. >> you're serving drinks and food, in my house, you don't get to heckle me. all right. so there's a headline coming out of the manhunt. no not about finding the two murderers, but there's another prison worker implicated now. under arrest accused of helping the killers escape. what did he do and who else is part of this?
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the two convicts escaped and now we have an arrest of the second person involved gene palmer. he's a corrections officer and charged with multiple felonies charged with helping the convicts escape the prison. now his district attorney says he had no knowledge of the plot. a former security expert is here with us. knowledge of the not and then these charges aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. they are saying you gave him the meat with the hacksaws in it and you gave him tools to help work on things in their cell area. and that you may have messed with evidence which they didn't really reveal the details of yet. how does that size up to you? whether there was knowledge or not, it all represents partial to the security breach. there's a violence of security policies. there's a violation of internal policy. and he's a part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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>> and there are de felonies those are lesser felonies but still significant crimes. he also is charged with misconduct. the meat with the hacksaw, that's where his lawyer's strongest. he didn't know. joyce mitchell is really manipulative and always working different scams, he fell prey to that. but how about giving them tools to work on the fuse box in their area to help with the hot plate or whatever. >> certainly that's a lack of judgment but we'll find out over the next couple of days as the investigation ensues it's a violence of security policies at any rate. and just remember, are because he's being charged with that doesn't mean more charges may not be coming as the investigation unfolds. >> true you can remove or change the charges. do you think there's going to be a bigger story here at some point on when these guys were caught? about what is allowed in supposed maximum conditions? >> well, i think that you're starting to see the house of cards start to crumble now because the investigators are
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starting to peel away the onion and talk to more people. as this situation evolves, i think you'll see more people that are going to be disciplined, suspended, arraigned and possibly prosecuted. we all agree that this entire process couldn't have been planned and executed with the asis the answer of one person to the main suspect in this case. >> to the search they are obviously dealing with difficulter the rain. it's hard to get anywhere and it's going to buy guys time if they are hiding there, but they feel they have somewhat of a specific area to look. if it is true that in hunting cabins they found hunting-type equipment, weapons or otherwise, how does that change what you do? >> we have to be more cautious. it changes the lookout. let's face it, a lot of the information is toward public safety. we went from being these gentlemen, these suspects are dangerous to now being armed and dangerous. and for the state police and investigators to put that out, there has to be fairly good information that some guns are missing from some cabins or homes. and they have had to have interviewed all the close cabins and homes in the area.
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>> what you hear about the resources on the ground the numbers keep getting bigger and bigger is that always good? >> i think it demonstrates our commitment to be there until the job is done. you know in law enforcement, time is on our side. while it may seem like it's taking a long time to the public we look at other similar cases like the eric frein case he was in the woods for 48 days. time is on our way to proceed safely diligently and cautiously. >> what you heard so far, hacksaw blades screwdrivers and such, we have not heard about the tools needed to get through the pipes, the steam pipes. >> we haven't heard it but doesn't mean the investigators aren't aware of it. >> but they didn't do that with a hacksaw, that's your understanding, right? >> no. right. >> there's more to come in terms of who helped them and how that help came. >> from what i understand the governor's investigative team is on the ground. they are investigating and interviewing guards contractors, prisoners, anybody who would have access and
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contributed to the security breach. as the days weeks and months come along, we'll find out the information. >> do you think what you have heard from the district attorney and the attorney for this corrections official he's going to get more tied up in this? or do you think this is what his role was and now there may be others. >> i think as the investigation ensues and we peel back more information from the onion, we'll find out more information about him, about miss mitchell and other people involved. >> matthew horace thank you very much. to be continued. >> great to be here thank you. to the case against the charleston church gunman the justice department is likely to pursue hate crime charges. we'll take a look at what that means for the confessed killer ahead.
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a second corrections officer is facing charges in the escape
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of richard matt and david sweat. he is alleged that he brought richard matt frozen meat containing escape tools. the pair may have taken guns from an upstate cabin where their dna was found. and calls to remove the confederate flag keep spreading. the national park serviceand gift shops in south carolina are the latest to join the chorus. the man on your screen is expected to face federal hate crime charges. south carolina does not have a hate crime statute so the federal way to do it would be the only path to a hate crime. what you're watching now is the scene as thousands paid respects to slain pastor clementa pinckney wednesday. meanwhile, bible study has resumed in the same room where the massacre took place. add bobby jindal to the race
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you're going to get hurt. luckily there was no dad feeding a baby. >> not this time. nobody was hurt. we are glad to hear that and he made the catch. and reports say that federal prosecutors intend to file hate crime charges in the charleston church massacre. we're going to take a look at how that impact and what it could have against the confessed shooter. that's ahead for us here.
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i'm live here in columbia south carolina with more on the aftermath of the church massacre. cnn has learned that the department of justice may pursue federal hate crime charges against the confessed charleston mass gunman. the gunman is already facing nine counts of murder and could be sentenced toette the. we'll bring in to talk about this a cnn contributor, former south carolina state representative and also an attorney. thank you so much for being here. how could this not be a hate crime? >> well, from the beginning we have to call it what it is. it's domestic terror. it's racism and it's hate. and i think that language is important to describe that.
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>> the gunman is facing nine counts of murder and likely facing the death penalty. how does charging him with a hate crime change anything? >> well, i think it symbolizes that we need to understand the root of the problem. this young man was enveloped in hate. and it's ironic and troublesome that someone born in the 1990s had a mentality of a george wallace. >> they are homicidal. >> they are homicidal and we have to get to the bottom of it. i'm glad the federal government is coming around to charge him with a hate crime and defining this as a terrorist act. >> you accompanied the body of senator pinckney into the statehouse yesterday. wasn't that an incredible scene? >> it was. my emotions ran the gamete. i've been saying in trying to describe my feelings when i saw the horse-drawn carriage come up by the flag i was a little bit enraged and for the first time -- i'm feeling hateful in my heart. but then i got a chance to hug
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his wife and to hug his little girls. and the look in their eyes and to understand that our mission is much larger than that and we have to be resilient. >> reporter: you were feeling hate in your heart because the flag was still hanging here? >> the flag was still hanging here. although the flag did not pull the trigger and shoot my dear friend and those others. it was a ban under which the killer found some justification. and that for me was the heartache. >> reporter: some thought governor nikki haley would temporarily take down the flag for a day so the mourners wouldn't have to see it. she released the statement saying she did not have legal authority. that flag whatever happens to the flag must be decided by the general assembly two-thirds of them must decide its fate. what do you think of her legal rational she couldn't do it? >> i think one of the reasons we wanted it to come down was a legal loophole to say the least. the flag can come down for cleaning and we were looking at the flag yesterday and we felt
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like it might have been quite dirty. so we wanted her to do that. but, you know she chose not to and i completely understand that she didn't want to convert the law. but now we still have to change the law. then after that flag comes down there's much more work to be done. >> reporter: she still has the opportunity on tomorrow for the funeral of senator pinckney to take the flag down should she take it down for cleaning as they say for the legal loophole? >> if i were governor of the state of south carolina i would take the flag down for cleaning in in legal loophole just to pay respects. not only to senator pinckney was the other eight individuals. the world will be looking to south carolina. while the united states flag and the flag of south carolina are flying at half-mast, the confederate flag will still fly as high as it ever did tomorrow. >> reporter: are you surprised by how quickly other states are taking action against the confederate flag? >> in our country, we have a history where bloodshed begets change. and so you begin to see these rapid reactions.
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and i'm just proud to know that these nine lives are not in vain. they didn't give their lives in vain. and now they go down with other civil rights heroes and icons and martyrs who gave their lives so we can have some substance of change. now the channel, though is when all the cameras leave and we have all our funerals to carry their legacy forward. talking about economics and educational things that they lived their life for. >> reporter: i have to tell you the scene here as i was waiting in line, it was remarkable. i have never seen anything like it. black and white together. people holding the doors open for each other, friends and neighbors. >> that's called joy. what you saw yesterday -- there's a distension between you and happiness. i don't think anybody is happy, but yesterday our hearts were filled with so much joy. the lives were so long people were crying. i found myself hugging and falling in the arms of my friend who is a republican from lexington county just crying and crying and crying. but seeing those people come together just warms your heart
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with joy. so you went from rage to joy really quickly. >> absolutely. i have to tell you, nobody was talking about the flag. that's not what people were concerned with. this line where they waiting for an hour in 100-degree heat. they weren't talking about it but are we too to us asked on the symbol with issues deeper and bigger? >> they are bigger. it's not the n-word. it's not just the flag. when the flag comes down that will be a great day in south carolina because it represents so much hate to so many but there are discussions we need to have. we need to talk about the fact with children going to school where their infrastructure is coming apart. the heating doesn't work. we need to have access to health care not just in south carolina but in a larger global community. and there are many issues that if clementa was standing here today, i would say, what do you want your life to be remembered for? and it would be more than the flag but that's a part of it. >> reporter: lastly does your political gut tell you that around july 4th this flag and this state will come down? >> well, i know from being in the house of representatives
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welcome back to "new day." i'm here in south carolina. south carolina is one of the early voting states for the 20 service 16 dst 2016 presidential election. we talked to some outside the historical museum to find out. what are the issues you'll vote on or you think will be important to you in 2016 as you look at the candidates? >> income inequality student loan debt. >> reporter: what about for you? >> i think for me it is personal health care is one of the number one things for me.
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>> reporter: and you say it is personal because you have a sick child. >> that's correct, yes. >> reporter: and what have your health care challenges other than his sickness been? >> well, you know when he was diagnosed, it was stage 4 cancer. so we went through tiers of intense treatment with him. and, you know our insurance policy -- we didn't need to be fighting with insurance policy. we needed to be helping our child survive. >> reporter: were you fighting the insurance? >> he was put on a clinical trial and our insurance policy would not pay for the medication that saved his life. so they were wanting us to pay $1,000 a day for a vile of medicine. so we had to fight for, you know our insurance policy company. so we're looking at you know now that he survived is he going to be able to get health insurance policy in the future? -- >> ashley what issues to you will you be looking for? >> as a business opener i definitely care about the health insurance policy. i have a small staff. i'm not legally required to provide health insurance policy for them but i want to and work really hard to be able to.
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and i would love to be able to have a solution that makes it easier. >> reporter: how about social issues for you? >> it is definitely at the top of my list as well. in my mind if i'm not able to comfortably live in a place where we are all equal, the other things just don't matter. >> reporter: what does that mean to you, all be equal? >> there's the gay rights gay marriage all the racial issues. now there's a lot of kind of talk about the transgender community, which i think is really important. and really looking at a more diverse candidate and really seeing what they can bring to the table. >> reporter: what's your big issue that you'll be listening for, heather? >> my main issue at heart really has to do with the corruption in politics and the fact that i don't entirely trust or put much confidence in our current political system. i don't think that social security will be around when i get to that age to use it. i'm for transparency. and the biggest thing that
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concerns me is lobbyists and the deals that are made and the handshakes under the table and really who is scratching who's back. >> reporter: john you are an independent? >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: and what issues are you looking at? >> i'm really passionate about education. i think that can solve so many of our problems that are currently facing our country. i'm also very passionate about civil rights issues. gay marriage gender inequality race relations, so those are the things that i'm really looking out for in determining who i am going to vote for. >> reporter: what is wrong with the education system as you see it? >> it just seems that separate but equal kind of gave way together but unequal. and i think african-americans and myinorityiesminorities in general, don't have access to the education that the majority of our country does. and i think that can solve so many of our issues. i'm glad that you said
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education. i think that's one thing that could be a silver bullet. education reform can help fight poverty, can help fight racism it can help the economy. so education is huge. but this cycle, my biggest thing is income inequality. i think that the distribution of wealth in this country is horrendous. >> reporter: what can a president do to ensure there's better income equality? >> one way that i think we could combat it would be by raining in corporate america. and i think that by buying elections and perhaps even buying up chunks of our economy is killing us. it's just not as feasible for small businesses to grow and to become successful as it is for a large corporation to just manhandle it. >> reporter: where are foreign affairs in terms of your priority list? >> well, probably in my top three. >> reporter: and why is that? >> so many soldiers. my dad was a vietnam vet.
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based on the condition that he's in and seeing these soldiers come back in brutal conditions because i'm always at the v.a. and i think we just need to pull back on some of the issues i mean some of the countries we are involved in. especially like iraq. and the isis situation. >> reporter: what about fighting isis? >> actually i believe that we should let the middle east handle it themselves. let saudi arabia step up a little more. they are supposed to have the fourth largest military budget. so why not let them handle the situation instead of using our american lives to sacrifice for them? >> i feel like we need to be there for a support system but on the peripheral. not front and center. we are coming in and fixing it ourselves, especially when we have so many issues at home to focus on. >> i think that as a leader in the global community we have a moral imperative to step in when human dignity is being trounced.
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and that's kind of what is going on with isis, so i think it is our place to be there. hopefully we can really get this training going and just help the iraqi defense forces. because that's the problem, they are just not really ready. >> reporter: so chris and makayla, it was really interesting to talk to this group of relatively young voters. they all had their personal priorities and none of them have mare mind made up whatsoever about what candidates they want to go for. but health care for some income inequality they were really sort of plugged in. >> i just thought while watching the last bit of that is that it might be wise for congress to bring a voter to work day and take your panel with them to maybe have them listen to what -- i mean the young people they are, our age and little bit younger, they are really plugged in and have really serious concerns. >> that's what the representatives are supposed to be doing when they are not in
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session. they are supposed to be back in their home districts here canvassing people all the time. that's what they are supposed to be doing. i think it is interesting they say intelligent things and are picking the right things to care about, but there's also -- >> they are very motivated, too. >> there's also a disconnect between what their leaders can do and how they see the problem. one of the young men talked about money in politics the supreme court passed judgment on that. citizens united is the standard. people also have to learn what the barriers to change are and how to you get past those. the complications of it usually wind up not being discussed in the election. but it was a great interview, alyson. a good look at that group of voters. >> reporter: yeah thanks so much. and they did talk or touch on citizens united and how disappointed they were about that. so yes, there's still idealism and practicality there, but thanks guys. talk to you in a minute. we'll see have more on the voter panel tomorrow. we'll talk to andcandidates
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themselves and who the panel is intrigued by. we have more on what is going on in south carolina and the church massacre and the flag and how it's reflected in the election. but there's a lot more news this morning so let's get right to it. every sighting or lead will be investigated until exhausted. >> gene palmer is now the focus of a lot of questions. >> he neglected to put the meat through the metal detector. the boston bomber speaks. he said, i'm sorry for the lives i've taken. our lives have been anything but easy. and our lives will never be the same again. >> to hear him say that he's sorry, that is enough for me. the future of the confederate flag overshadows the morning in south carolina. >> as clementa pinckney's casket passed under the wrote tun sawrotunda,
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it passed urn the confederate flag. >> restoration in the nation. those are powerful words. >> this is "new day." good morning. welcome to "new day." alyson in is in columbia south carolina amid growing calls to remove the confederate flag. but we have big news on the escape of the two big inmates in new york. another prison worker has been arrested in connection with that escape as the killers are still running around the heavily forested areas in upstate new york. his name is gene palmer due in court today. he's accused of loping the escaped killers tools and tampering with evidence after their prison break. we'll get to cnn's boris sanchez with the latest in owls head new york where the cabin is they believe these two escapees were in for some time. >> reporter: that is correct, chris. good morning. about a thousand people are on the hunt for these escapees. officials believe they are still
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in the area of that cabin that was broken into over the weekend. the area here is so treacherous they don't think they have gotten very far. meanwhile, the investigation not only ongoing here in owls head but also at the clinton correctional facility where as you said another prison employee has been arrested and charged. breaking overnight, the second corrections officer arrested in connection with the brazen new york jailbreak out on bail. 57-year-old veteran prison guard gene palmer expected to plead not guilty to charges of promoting dangerous prison contraband tampering with evidence and official misconduct. the guard allegedly handled hamburger meat with tools in it. he was acting at the request of federal prison employee joyce mitchell who hid the tools in the meat and brought it into the jail.
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palmer's lawyer telling cnn his client was unaware there were hacksaw blades and drill bits inside that meat though the prosecution said he failed to screen the meat through a metal detector violating prison policy. >> he was conned by joyce mitt chu chul /* chul mitchell. she duped him. >> reporter: officials say tools the guard gave to at least one of the prisoners, including a screwdriver and wrench. >> there's some information that he allowed them to go into the back of the cells in the catwalk area and fix the breakers that were there. that was to help the breaker, fix the breakers so they could use their hot plates to cook their food. >> reporter: that catwalk area matt and sweat's escape path. palmer telling investigators he supervised the prisoners doing the work and took the tools back before the end

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