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streamed to its cause, the group presents the world with a danger that is impossible to fully assess and a danger that grows by the month. >> good morning, happy independence day weekend. we have a whole lot in store today starting with the sentence i never thought i would say, get ready for this is presidential candidate donald trump going to sue nbc over the miss usa panel ent? it sound like he is. his lawyer is actually standing by in new york to talk about it. it's been that kind of week donald trump with reporters scrambling to keep up. i was with them. i took a roadtrip to find out how seriously the political press pact and asked reporters how seriously they should be taking them. you can see him here.
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he was at a pool party in new hampshire in the rain. people loved him there. so i'll show you the fascinating answers coming up this hour. first, trump, versus corporate america t. headlines were all over the place, are you fired, they said turning trump's slogan around using it against him. unify vision decided not to air the july 12th miss usa pageant. why? he said this. >> they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drug they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some i assume are good people. >> so univision whereas the first to object to those words. then the network that owns the other half of the miss usa pageant, nbc universal broke out of broadcast d.c. pageant. soon macy's was pulling trump's clothing line. others were distancing from trump. he fought back saying his long time business partners were well here's what he said.
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>> you know what they cut back becauser that weak. weak and it's very sad to see. >> trump has filed a big lawsuit against univision seeking $500 million in damages. keep in mind univision is the most popular, spanish language network in this country. now it's being sued by a presidential candidate who is rising in the republican polls. i never thought we would be here a week ago. i am joined by a special guest, an insider in this six, the general council for the trump organization which means he is donald trump's top lawyer. thanks for being here. >> thank you thanks for having me. >> look on the day he made that comment about immigrants being rapists. did you criminal of something like that is so incendiary? >>ly not get into a back and forth on what he said and how it can be interpreted. i can tell you i was at his speech and his comments if anyone who heard his speech in full knew exactly what he was saying and what he said was not
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no different than really anything that he has said for years, in fact in our complaint against univision, which was filed this week with equoted mr. trump giving almost identical comments in 2011 on a bill o'reilly show. >> we saw univision withdraw from miss usa. then we saw nbc do it. he decided to file suit against univision t. suit hinges on what the idea that there wasn't a morals clause in the contract and that's why they couldn't walk away from trump? >> the suit hin hims on the basic premise of our legal system which is contract. this contract is clear and unam big with us. it's set forth in our complaint. it provides that univision which by the way signed if january of this year is contractually obligated to broadcast the miss universe pageant. >> people elsewhere have assumed there is a morals clause of some sort. it allows univision to being out because if the person you are if business with does something outlandish vials some sort of
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clause that would give univision an out. is that not the case? >> that is absolutely not the case. there is no morals clause in it t. reality is you know people i think, you know come to mr. trump and want to do business with mr. trump and the companies he's associated with because of his celebrity and because he is known as someone who is in the spotlight, drawn a lot of media attention and talks straight. certainly, i'm sure that drew univision to get involved with miss universe. >> i think it was actually the women we see on screen. >> all that is certainly true. i think what brings ratings and popularity to the pageant is association with mr. trump. i think certainly since, you know the miss universe organization and the pageant is associated with it were not doing too well before mr. trump brought the interest in there. since then the ratings are hitting all time highs. it's doing better than ever before. >> so you are now suing univision, what about nbc, they're business partners.
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they each own half of miss usa. bc says it is ending that relationship. will you be ending with them as well? we will be taking action against nbc. nbc is in a unique position there is a clear conflict playing out here. nbc is not only a one aspect of nbc is a partner in the miss universe organization and you've got another division which is has separate agreements with the miss universe organization as a broadcaster and under those agreements nbc had the clear obligation to broadcast the miss universe pageant in 2016. they also elected to schedule to broadcast the miss usa panel ent 2015 and backed away from that. that's i believe a clear breach of the provisions in the agreement. >> what's going to happen with this business relationship. are you all going to sell your stake to nbc? is nbc, are you going to sell yours to nbc? do we know how this deal is broken up? >> we don't know if it will be
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broenl up. >> nbc said it is ending. are you saying it might not end? >> we don't know. we'll have to see what happens and have it all play out and certainly if it requires litigation it will be litigation. but it will certainly be an interesting few months. >> i thought maybe trump would voluntarily sell his stake in the panel ent to nbc. >> that way it will all be cleaned up in time for the pageant next sunday. >> i am not aware of those plans, mr. trump is committed to this. i believe he is the one that turned around the pageant to begin w. i believe he deserves auto all the credit for the popularity and huge ratings. last year i know the miss universe pageant did record number it was broadcast to 200 plus countries and i think a billion viewers world wide. >> sometimes these cases between media giants there is an arbitration clause instead of a public trial. is that the case here with nbc and mr. trump, you will have to do this privately through
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arbitration? >> there is an arbitration clause. we will obviously be following the contract. i think that represents the difference between how we as an organizationing a and how nbc has acted. we follow the contract. they have not. the unisituation situation is a little different. >> it must not have had an arbitration clause. >> there is no arbitration clause. accordingly we filed in supreme court tuesday. >> what about macy's? they say they will get out of business with trump. any lawsuit there? >> certainly, we are looking at all possible avenues. again, i think it's important and thfrls highlighted in our unisition complaint. i think what is important to reenforce is when mr. trump made his comments people can agree, disagree they can agree on what he said. they can agree whether it was factually accurate the way it was transmitted. the reality is he is exercising his first amendment right to free speech. he is speaking his mind.
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he is entitled to do that. there is nothing unlawful about that. really what you have is companies both networks and other companies you know bowing to public pressure and suppressing his freedom of speech. that's been highlighted in our univision fight. >> the freedom of speech is something about the government's relations with an individual. the first amendment is not about private corporations stopping me from speaking. you say freedom of speech aren't you confusing the two? >> not at all. that's what contracts are for. you are right, but what governs contracts, what governs rather the relationship between private parties, whether it be macy's and mr. trump or any other private parties are contracts and you know if a contract is breached then we're going to pursue our remedies and impress them as those companies would against us. >> are you sitting here wondering, wishing that he hadn't run for president? >> not at all. i truly believe in working with him day-to-day quite closely the
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last eight years, i can tell you, he is an exception ally intelligent guy. he is exceptionally capable guy. he is an incredible leader. she what the country needs, which is sort of the anti-politician, someone not beholden to public interest groups but rather he will act in the best interest of the country. >> thanks for being here. appreciate it. >> great. >> for more on this and the prospects of whether these lawsuits could succeed, let me bring in senior analyst jeffrey tubeen. what is your sense of this nbc possibility going into nbc or arbitration, what would trump and his lawyers be arguing in that sense? >> well it all depends on one thing, which is the contract between them. allen is making the first amendment, defamation. frankly, none of that matters. the only thing that matters is what the contract says between nbc and donald trump and whether nbc has, in fact environmented
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it. just as in the dispute the only thing that matters is the contract which i have read and univision violated it and caused damages with donald trump. >> so having read that contract do you think they did their damages to donald trump? >> well certainly alan is right that there is no morals clause there is no clause that says if univision is embarrassed to be associated with done sald trump they get to drop it. drop him. the question is have they already paid enough more than on the contract that they are simply permitted to walk away from it? certainly the claim of $500 million is silly. there is no chance for those sorts of damages. but it's a very narrow question that a judge would deal with here is whether univision has
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performed sufficiently so they have the right to walk away? >> is it noteworthy trumps lawyer says no morals clause was included in the univision contract. does that matter? does that help their case? >> i think it helps their case. because it doesn't, there is nothing obvious in the contract that said as there often is in contracts involving entertainment personalities. if you embarrass yourself or embarrass us we can cut our ties with you. many of us who have contracts with cnn or with other entertainment and news organizations have those sorts of contracts. remember this is a contract obviously, donald trump person and univision. this is a contract between the trump organization and univision. it's not a personal services contract and, therefore, it's not really surprising that there wouldn't be a morals clause involved. >> do you think a serious presidential candidate would ever sue a giant network that
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covers him every day? is that the kind of behavior of a serious candidate? >> well you know donald trump is a unique serious candidate and his combativeness is part of his appeal. whether we are simply riding a broom lit of attention for him is a very separate question from whether people will actually vote you know go into a polling place and vote for donald trump. i think those are two very different questions, certainly, his aggressiveness his outspokenness, his willingness to take on all comers is a part of his appeal and so it's not surprising that he would take on the people he had been in business with and the people that cover him every day. >> whenever you see this univision lawsuit, would you give any odds of it getting to trial? >> extremely remote. these sorts of lawsuits almost
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never go to trial. usually they are settled eitherer with a check or some sort of settlement where both sides can walk away and claim victory. the one thing about donald trump is he always claims victory, no matter what. so you canb certain whatever the resolution of the case. it almost certainly will be an out of court settlement trump will claim victory. >> thank you for being here and making sense for it for us. coming up here is the press being too soft? that's what one republican media says. a sea of reporters covering trump, really think about him. that's next. our points. there has got to be a way to redeem our hotel points. i just want to take a vacation. this seems crazy. oh really? tell us something we don't know, captain obvious. ok. with, when you collect 10 nights you get one free. oh. so you only need to know how to count to 10 to earn a free night at places like that nudist resort. yeah i don't know how that got there.
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trump? >> it was cool. we are talking donald trump. he's a world wide icon. >> the truth does not get out t. media is not gifgs the truth. how should the press be covering this campaign? some say it shouldn't be taken seriously at all. >> i think the national media ignores it to their own peril. one, obviously, any time this guy comes into any primary state, he makes news. >> the folks i talk to seem to welcome the donald trump, because in fact he's not a politician. because he sort of runs off at the mouth. >> that is an endorsement. >> the thing i hear the most from my constituents and people i talk to is mr. trump says things that i want to say but i'm afraid to say because of the pc factor. >> what do you make of his applause lines about the media? >> i have been saying it for years. >> it's the applause lines. >> i don't believe the stuff the media says. >> you got to trust your instinct. you can't believe the press.
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you can't believe the press. >> all the candidates deserve coverage. this one more than most as i said before. >> this one more than most? in there more than most? >> really because he is so controversial. >> i think as the campaign goes on and i think as his policy starts coming out a little more clearer, i think the press is bound to take him more serious because he is senior serious. >> done and trump, who has done more than me? i have employed tens of thousands of people over my life. >> do you think the campaign is a cliff bait something everyone wants to read about but may not matter that much in the long term. >> it will mean more on the impact at least in the short term than cliff bait. >> that is certainly a part of what's hang here. >> he's said repeatedly he wants to be treated like a real candidate, like a serious candidate and we're starting the process now. he's getting precisely what he asked for. >> now no surprise some of the biggest applause lines were when trump was in front of the press.
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he was electrified. do the press get him? do political supporters teenage him serious? or conversely are they and we taking him too seriously? we have revised people from florida and all points between, he joins me now. let me start with a twist. is the republican party taking trump seriously enough? >> well look i think they're taking him increasingly seriously. he is sucking a lot of the oxygen out of the room for a lot 340r serious and thoughtful candidates because he's a fantastic spectacle. >> a spectacle. that's an interesting word to use. are you not taking him as a legitimate serious candidate? >> he is in no way a serious candidate. he is campaigning on the 25 year televised career as a celebrity and that built-in name i.d. is what's happening in the polls to some degree and there is a certain strain of the party angry about everything and everyone and think they that
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donald trump will somehow be the solutionings to their prorks where he's only the solution to to hillary's problems which is to say if it's hillary versus donald we are looking at the cart taking 43 states. >> let's take this at face value for a moment. do you think other candidates should learn from what trump is doing then? >> well look they should learn there is a certain value to showmenship. however, this is still going to be a contest where you have to have the right person the right personally the right philosophy the right programs to post up against hillary:the fact of the matter is i think a lot of americans would clearly look at a guy sleerly short temperred and impulsive and question whether they want his finger on the nuclear trigger. in question whether this is a guy who negotiates with vladimir putin. it isn't like negotiating your ties made in mexico. this is the real stuff. this is the big deal. this is consequential. so i think that eventually voters will look at the trump
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show as another marketing effort rather than a serious presidential campaign. >> the trump show. is is that what we should be calling this put a logo on the screen? >> you shouldn't. i think the media has a responsibility to look at this. i get it. he's fantastic television. he's fantastic television but there is opoint here where at some point the media will decry the issues facing america because you know what we are talking about donald trump losing his latest endorsement deal or donald trump saying his latest most outrageous things about mexicans or about the chinese or whomever. >> he is also very polarizing. people love him or hate him, right? >> you drill through the polling a bit. even among republicans, his poll data approve or disapprove. this is not a singular tidal wave of you know enthusiasm for donald trump. a lot is being driven by the fact that the media has a
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wonderful spectacle. they're watching this guy "the chew" up all the scenery. they're waiting every day for the, you know what itself the outrageous trump statement of the minute going to be? and they love it. it drives close, it drives views. it is bait and at some point if they want to look at this as is serious presidential campaign where we are talking about a democratic candidate, probably in the form of hillary clinton and one of the four or five extremely serious thoughtful republican candidates who are not marginal who are not the b tier they're going to have to ask themselves if covering donald trump is actually something that's goods for the countries and ask if covering donald trump is taking air out of the room where we could be talking about more consequential and meaningful political questions. >> he is quick bait indeed and drives traffic to websites. on the business of driving journalists. in this case what advice to journalists would you give in to make it more serious?
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>> don't roll around in the mud with the pigs the picks leak it. this guy, he wants to be baited. he wants to be insulted. he wantss to do about his deal is being canceled. whatever republicans said whatever group complains, this is a cycle that reporters will get into and it will feat feed upon itself over and over again. the worm will try to eat its tail chasing donald trump in his out rage of the day. >> you say don't roll around in the mud. does that mean i actually go take a shower after this? >> well that's up to you, brian. i'd use at least hand sanitizeer. >> on that note rick thank you for being here. i appreciate it. >> any time brian, hasn't sanitizeer it is up next here on the program the unenviable task of trying to fact check trump and all the other candidates. he's not the only one facing allegations of being less than honest. a long time christie watcher joins me next.
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hey, welcome back to "reliable sources" speaking of reliable is it possible to fact check donald trump? with all the bluster and the trash talk how can anybody really pin him down to facts in his pronouncement? sometimes he says one thing one day, the next thing the next day. well angie holland is the editor oughted editor at politifax. angie, thanks for being here. >> thanks, for having me. >> so how do you solve a problem like donald trump? >> well with donald trump, we
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treat him like we treat any other candidate. we take his statement and put it on our truth-o-meter. we look at documents and fact check whatever he says and give it our truth-o-meter rating at the end of the report. >> i'm looking at his rating. it looks like it's not very favorable for the donald. >> you know his ratings have been fairly negative. >> 75% mostly false. >> you know we use our news judgment to pick what to check. we listen for things that are provocative or make people go hmm. we fact check him on fairly substantial issues what's going on in iraq. the u.s. military capability and he often gets all the details wrong or he gets the pig picture wrong. so he's gotten some negative ratings from us. >> when it comes to trump, are there cases where he doesn't have pants on fire live as you all like to call them something that's somewhat false that may sound true or not to people at home? >> well, one example is he says the islamic state the terrorists
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had built a hotel in syria. well we thought that was just interesting and would make an interesting fact check. when we looked into it he got the details wrong. they hadn't built a hotel in syria. they took over a hotel in iraq but they hadn't built it and they were using it to house their commanders. but because so many of the details were wrong, we rated that wrong, too. it was so wrong in so many different ways. >> this week ted cruz politifact in his book he called through this left wing editorial writers frequently dress up their liberal views as facts. what is your reaction to that? we have seen complaints from others as well politifacts skewers republicans and conservatives more than democrats. >> we come to every fact check on its own and look at the evidence and if people read our site regularly, i think they will see where we are coming from and we'll find that we are
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a good source of information. >> on the democratic side, are you finding hill hillary clinton out there on the stump telling pinnochio-style untruths? >> you know hillary clinton is interesting, because she is a very practiced politician. we don't see her speaking off the cuff much which i would contrast with donald trump. it seems like donald trump winged a lot of his announcement speech he was speaking off the top of his head. someone like hillary clinton or reason the republican side jeb bush they don't tend to go off script very much. they have either prepared remarks or they have policy material that they're very familiar with so what we find is when politicians are being careful and they use prepared materials that, i tend to get more accurate ratings. >> i have a guest this week saying about chris christie the new jersey governor don't believe a word the man says. it make med wonder is this
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congenital do you find every politician is out there saying a whole lot is untrue and the journalists have to do a better job of fact checking? >> i think in recent years we as a journalism community have been fact checking more and more even in our traditional news report. so i think when they say things that are inaccurate they are getting called on it more often. so i think if people are having a full media diet. if they're doing their homework before they go into the voting booth, they can offer score these things out. >> i am glad politifact is here for us. thanks for being here. >> thanks, for having many e. more people entered the race. we saw jim webb on the democratic side and if governor christie was expecting a welcome from the new jersey press core not so much. tom moremoran trumps the announcement with a column
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titled "after 14 years of watching christie, a warning! he lies." tom joins me in new york. so this column got ble thinking a lot about what it's like to be a reporter on ground level following someone for years, seeing them run for president. what should we know about christie the rest of the country doesn't know? >> we thought the other big nominee was to write about how many serious problems new jersey has that aren't being addressed? that hasn't come up in the national coverage of christie either. we decided in the end we want to help them filter what christie says basically, our message, what be on guard, because he tells real whoppers quite constantly. >> it's pretty unusual to hear journal altists say this candidate lies. >> yeah. >> who would rarely call it out so explicitly? why do you feel comfortable doing that? >> the statement has to be false. he has no know it's false and has to serve a political purpose. so when it includes things like
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broken promises of the sort like he didn't, he promised he passed a law, sign adlah he would deposit a bunch of money into the pension fund. the my was slower than expected. we don't count that as a lie. innocent mistakes we couldn't count as a lie t. real whoopers with a political purpose around it we did. notice too, he doesn't speak much to the new jersey press because he knows he can't get away with stuff of people following this for years. >> he might think you are fundamentally unfair to him. >> true. but he's not. it's a blanket. he doesn't do sit-down interviews with pretty much anybody in new jersey. so everybody is being unfair by that theory. you can draw your own conclusions from that. >> here is a quote. christie is a remarkable talent with a silver tongue if you look closely, you can see his force like aer is serpent. >> that sounds like you don't like the man. >> it's an assessment for people listening to him that he doesn't
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lie. it's not person issal. we sported him on the bulk of his program cutting public spending left and right. >> what's the best example or worst example of a christie lie? >> well he was on fox news with megan kelly a couple weeks ago he said the bridgegate matter is almost basically over t. u.s. attorney said he will not file any more cases and he came back three or four times. there is another one where we are new jersey people are agate. if you sat in the press conference with the u.s. attorney it's the opposite of the truth. >> i think what i hear you saying is as we're entering the next how many ever months of this presidential cycle, whether it's christie or frankly other candidates we got to turn our skepticism up even more than it already might be. from your van tage point, at least christie is fibing all the time? >> i don't know e i don't know if i can say that to judge all the candidates like that what i am doing myself is looking at what their home state newspapers say. because those people know them
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best. so i'll be going to florida, for example, to see judgments on jeb bush and marco rubio. >> thanks, to the web, we can do that now a. great point. thanks for being here. >> thank you. up next, the former wrestling star hulk hogan about to body slanl? this is amazing to discuss the high states legal battle over a sex tape that can force the website gawker out of business. don't go away. ♪ ♪ if you want a paint that's tough enough
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the stage is set for a major courtroom battle between former wwe pro wrestling turned reality tv star hulk hogan and the gaum gawker, gawker published a montage of sorts. the stakes could not be higher. the verdict could leave the website fighting for its life. hogan is suing for privacy.
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gawker is saying the tape was newsworthy, now a jury of hogan's peers have to decide. nick thanks, for being here. there were lots of new developments. you were expecting a trial next week. now it's been delayed. first, why is this a sort of life or death situation for gawker? >> it's $100 million lawsuit we are talking about. we are a successful small to medium sized online media companies. few keep $100 million in a war chest for this occasion. >> if you lose it could bankrupt gawker? >> we will win this case eventually. the principals are clear. the law is clear. nobody is contesting a single fact of the story we ran. so we will win. there is indications that the appeals court is more favorable to our side of the story and our side of the argument.
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>> but to your point about the $100 million. you published finances revealing that gawker turned a profit of $6 million? so the message was you don't have $100 million laying around for this? >> the message is more than a million monthly visitors and even the company like ours is vulnerable to the intricky cases. >> you want this case cast as a journalism fight as a fight for the right to publish information even if it's embarrassing? i want this to be a case of the freedom of the press to report on a story that actually had been aired. it's about freedom of expression. >> even when the press is wrong and the content is a sex tape?
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>> we employ journalists that recently unionized members of the writers guild of america east along with i think today also unionized. so stories about a girlfriend the main stream media ran with for weeks or months and we exposed the truth behind that. we have run stories about personal technology videogames it so happens the media is more than sex tapes. >> you aring a only inning the fact that we are all human, sex is an parent part of the existence. it is a topic of modern news conconsumers it's a part of life and news. >> the reality is sometimes they are at fault over not government secrets but issues like sex
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tapes. they still have some of the same principals at play. >> i am a former financial times journalist. i never thought i would be cast in the larry flint. hey, here i am. >> so where are you today? what itself the current stats us the? everyone is expecting to go to trial in early july. now we don't know when it will go to trial. >> my bags are packed. i was ready to go to florida tomorrow and i guess i will have a slightly more some of them i would otherwise have. >> you can't mention hulk hogan. did you think you would find yourself in the proverbial wrestling ring with someone like this? >> no sometimes life is stranger than fiction. it reads like a novel. >> sometimes it can seem silly at the same time so much money is at stake. you had to cut back at expenses
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you have been cheaper at work, perhaps? >> maybe. we carry on on the principle and the expectation that first amendments rules in this country. freedom of the press and freedom of expression is essential to a functioning healthy society. we dug deeper. we exposed the truth. we are not embarrassed about it. >> knowing what you know now, knowing all of the legal costs already, would you have still published the video? >> i am glad the decisions taken on publishing taken at the time and i'm glad that we only really look at whether the story is both true and interesting. this story was true and interesting and we'd absolutely publish it again in a heart beat. >> you don't ever kind of wish you hadn't? >> there are too many people in the media who make calculations i can understand what they do. but they make cautious conservative calculations that
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>> you play an iconic character, but you have strong feelings about this. your outrage was not delayed. >> it was immediate because you are denigrating my people that i come from being a mexican-american i was born this this country, but still, everybody that comes from the south is part of my family. it was hard to believe that somebody was saying these words in this day and age. >> let's cast donald trump on sesame street. what would he be told on sesame street? >> that makes me laugh. i'm sorry. most probably he would have something with oscar the grouch. >> do you think trump is grouchier? >> i don't know about that. oscar the grouch is pretty grouchy, but he could best him. >> i wonder if working in
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children's media makes you more optimistic about future generations or younger generations and about tolerance. there is stories recently that say a lot of millennials hold the same racist views. contrary to what people want to believe. >> i'm glad you brought up the point. in the time i have been on the show and the whole time since sesame street's existence, the only thing we tried to do is create a window to the world out there. all of the beautiful things in the world so that the children can be exposed to other things besides what they know themselves. to make them see that there other people that are different from them, but that are still human beings and we can all live together. that's what sesame street was. we are all lives in the same neighborhood different people from different backgrounds and speaking different languages.
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it was the perfect ideal for what america could be. >> that's the power of both the news and entertainment media when used effectively to show us the other. thanks for being here. >> you're very welcome. thank you. >> we have much more reliable sources after this quick break. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla apremilast. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. some people who took otezla saw 75% clearer skin after 4 months. and otezla's prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't take otezla if you are allergic to any of its ingredients.
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