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this show man, the spotlight still shines. he was executive producing hbo's the brink at the time of his death. and has a remake of tarzan coming out this year. as rich cohen wrote this morning, the neon lights will be blazing above the pearly gates tonight. jerry weintraub presents. >> that's it for "the lead" i'm jake tapper. we turn you over to jim scuito. filling in for wolf blitzer. a cnn exclusive. >> people should and do trust me. i have every confidence that will be the outcome of this election. i cannot decide what the attacks on me will be. >> clinton talks trust. the democratic presidential front-runner responds to questions about her vulnerabilities her controversial e-mails and her republican rivals. stand by for the first national tv interview of her 2016 campaign.
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hillary versus donald. she says she's disappointed in her old friend and former campaign contributor for his shocking remarks about mexicans. and tonight clinton is accusing the other gop candidates of not being all that different from trump on the crucial issue of immigration. plus midair collision. an air force fighter jet and small plane collide in mid flight reigning down debris over a large area how could this happen. and failure to train, the pentagon acknowledges a stunning lack of progress teaching syrian rebels to fights isis. critics say it is more proof that the president's isis strategy isn't working. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world, wolf blitzer is off today, i'm jim sciuto, and you're in the situation room.
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the attack. the controversy surrounding her campaign. and why many voters simply don't trust her. >> this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many, many years. and at the end of the day, i think voters sort it all out. i have great confidence i trust the american voter. >> tonight we're also following that disturbing midair collision between an air force fighter jet and a private plane. our correspondent's analysts and news makers are all standing by as we cover all the breaking news right now. first to our senior political correspondent brianna keeler. brianne, that tell us how it went. >> hillary clinton finally
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sitting down for questions. she slammed republicans on immigration. she talked about the controversy surrounding her e-mails and the clinton foundations, and the clinton foundation and she explained why democrats are so enthusiastic about vermont senator bernie sanders. >> thank you so much for talking to us today, you're here in iowa for a couple events. you're the front-runner in this state, we're also seeing bernie sanders attract a lot of attention, he's had big crowds here 10,000 people in wisconsin last week 7500 people in maine last night. why is it do you think that someone who is a self-described democratic socialist is really attracting this organic interest that your campaign seems to be struggling a little bit with. >> i always thought this would be a competitive race, so i am happy to have a chance to get out and run my campaign as i see fit and let other candidates do exactly the same.
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>> we have a committed supporter in every one of the 1600 precincts and one of the things that i learned last time is, it's organize organize org dmiz. you have to get people committed and they will follow through, and you bring more people. so i feel very good about where my campaign is it will be three months and a few days that we've been at this i think i've learned a lot from listening to people in iowa and it's actually affected what i say, and what i talk about on the campaign trail. so i couldn't be happier about my campaign. >> senator sanders has talked about how if he's president he would raise taxes, in fact he said to cnn's jake tapper he would raise them substantially higher than they are today on big corporations on wealthy americans. would you? >> i will be laying out my own
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economic policies again, everyone has to run his or her own campaign. i'm going to be telling the american people what i propose and how i think it will work and then we'll let voters make up their minds. >> is raising taxes on the table in. >> i'm going to put out my policies and i'll let other people speak to their policies. i think we have to both grow the economy faster and fairer so we have to do what will actually work in the short term the medium term and the long term. i will be making a speech about my economic proposals on monday. and then i look forward to the debate about them. >> i'm wondering if you can address a vulnerability that we've seen you dealing with recently. we see in our recent poll the nearly 6 in 10 americans say they don't believe that you're honest and trustworthy. do you understand why they feel that way? >> well i think when you are subjected to the kind of constant barrage of attacks that
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are largely fomented by and coming from the right. >> do you bear any responsibility for it? >> i can only tell you that i was elected twice in new york against the same kind of on slaught, i was confirmed and served as secretary of state. and i think it's understandable that when questions are raised people maybe are thinking about them and wondering about them but i have every confidence that during the course of this campaign people are going to know who will fight for them be there when they need them, and that's the kind of person i am and that's what i will do not only in a campaign but as president. >> trusting someone to fight for them and trusting someone, these are two different things. do you see any role that you've had in this sentiment we've seen where people are questioning whether you're trustworthy? >> i can only tell you, brianna that this has been a theme that has been used against me and my
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husband for many many years. and at the end of the day, i think voters sort it all out. i have great confidence. i trust the american voter, so i trust the american voter 100% because i think the american voter will weigh these kinds of accu accusations. unsubstantiated attacks against us. admit they have no evidence. it's your job to cover it it's going to raise questions in people's minds, but during the course of the campaign just as in my two prior campaigns and in my other years of social security. i have a lot of confidence that the american people can sort it all out. >> would you vote for someone you don't trust. >> i have every confidence that that will be the outcome of this election. i cannot decide what the attacks on me will be no matter how unfounded. and i'm well aware of the fact
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that it's your job to raise those and we'll do our best to respond to them i think what people talked to me about and that's all i can go on is the literally thousands of people i've seen in the course of this campaign. they want to know what i'm going to do for the economy. what i'm going to do for education, what i'm going to do for health care they trust me to have a plan and to be committed to carrying out that plan and they should. because i will. >> one of the issues that has eroded some trust that we've seen is the issue of your e-mail practices, while you were secretary of state. i think there's a lot of people who don't understand what your thought process was on that. can you tell me the story of how you decided to delete 33,000 e-mails and how that deletion was executed? >> well let's start from the beginning, everything i did was permitted. there was no law. there was no regulation there was nothing that did not give me the full authority to decide how
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i was going to communicate. previous secretaries of state have said they did the same thing. and people across the government knew i used one device maybe it was because i am not the most technically capable person and wanted to make it as easy as possible. >> you said that they did the same thing, that they used a personal server and -- >> well personal -- >> facing a subpoena deleted e-mails from them? >> you know, you're starting with so many assumptions -- i've never had a subpoena, there's nothing -- again, let's take a deep breath here everything i did was permitted by law and regulation, i had one device when i mailed anybody in the government it would go into the government system. now, i didn't have to turn over anything. i chose to turn over 55,000 pages because i wanted to go above and beyond what was expected of me. because i knew the vast majority
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of everything that was official already was in the state department system. and now i think it's kind of fun, people get a realtime behind the scenes look at what i was e-mailing about and what i was communicating about. >> warm socks as you said -- >> working a fax machine. >> yes, different than the regular -- >> so yes, this is being blown up with no basis in law or in fact. that's fine i get it this is being in effect used by the republicans in the congress. okay but i want people to understand what the truth is. and the truth is everything i did was permitted. and i went above and beyond what anybody could have expected in making sure that if the state department didn't capture something, i made a real effort to get it to them. and i had no obligation to do any of that. so let's set the record
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straight. and those 55,000 pages will be released over the course of this year people can again make their own judgment. >> i know you say you were permitted. i am trying to understand some of the thought process behind it. one former state attorney general democrat told cnn that they know of no lawyer who would advice someone a client facing the kind of absoluteny you've been facing to wipe their server. i mean what do you say to that? >> well what i say to that is i turned over everything i was obligated to turn over, and then i'm gone. people delete their personal e-mails, whatever e-mails they have on a regular basis. i turned over everything that i could imagine. now, sitting in a meeting in the state department and asking for iced t may not rise to the level of negotiating peace, i went above and beyond. that's why there's 55,000 pages of my e-mails. and so i think people have an interesting time behind the scenes. and all i can tell you is that the law, the regulation did not
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in anyway stand in my way of being permitted to do what i did. and as i said, prior secretaries of state, i mean, secretary powell has admitted he did exactly the same thing. i think both secretary powell and i are viewed as public servants we do our very best to serve our country. he had such a distinguished record you know i have served my country as well. we both did the same thing. years have passed so he clearly doesn't have anything left. i did everything i could to make sure people got anything that was related that i had. >> there has been a lot of controversy surrounding your family's foundation the clinton foundation corporate and foreign donations that have gone to the foundation and the work that it does has it made you think seeing this controversy that has come about, has it made you think about if you are president what will happen to the clinton foundation? have you thought about perhaps shutting it down?
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>> well let me start by saying i am so proud of the clinton foundation i am proud of the work that my husband started that my daughter continued, i'm proud of the very small role i played in being there for about a year and a half. and i'll give you an example of why, what the clinton foundation has done is so critical. when i became secretary of state, the united states government was using our tax dollars to treat 1.7 million people around the world with hiv/aids. i looked at the contracts of the clinton foundation had been negotiating to buy medicine and pass it through foreign governments who provided the funding to treat more people. we negotiated lower prices by the time i left thanks to contracts and work that the clinton foundation had done the united states was treating 5.1 million people. that's just one example. maybe it's because my husband
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knows so many people in the world and he's so creative and he's so smart, he was able to put together solutions to problems whether it was hiv/aids or childhood obesity in our country or expanding farm productivity in africa that was hard for others to do. and yes, did people say, that's good work? 245ez a charity we want to support and they should have because it produced results. i have no plans to say or do anything about the clinton foundation other than to say how proud i am of it and i think for the good of the world its work should continue. >> let's talk now about republicans, there are so many but right now, the front-runner. >> it's a big crew. >> right now the front-runner is jeb bush. can you believe that a quarter century after your husband was elected there could be another bush/clinton race? >> well we'll see. that's up to first the republicans on his side the democrats on my side. what's great about america,
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anybody can run for president. that is literally true, and you have to go out and you have to do what everybody else does you have to make your case you have to have your agenda you have to raise the money, you have to work really hard. so whoever is nominated by their respective parties will be the nominee, and then we'll see who's on the other side. >> donald trump is also creating quite a lot of commotion on the other side. he's a friend of yours, has been over the years, he donated to your senate campaign to the clinton foundation. what's your reaction to his recent comments that some mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals? >> i'm very disappointed in those comments and i feel very bad and very disappointed with him and with the republican party for not responding immediately and saying enough stop it. but they are all in the same general area on immigration.
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they don't want to provide a path to citizenship. they range across a spectrum of being grudgingly welcome or hostile toward immigrants. and i'm going to talk about comprehensive immigration reform. i'm going to talk about all of the good law abiding productive members of the immigrant community that i personally know that i've met over the course of my life. that i would like to see have a path to citizenship, what about jeb bush's approach to that. >> he doesn't believe in a path to citizenship. if he did at one time he no longer does. and so pretty much as i said they're on a spectrum of hostile hostility hostility, which i think is regrettable in a nation of immigrants like ours all the way to kind of grudging acceptance but with a refusal to a pathway to citizenship. we know we're not going do deport 11 or 12 million people.
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we shouldn't be breaking up families we shouldn't be stopping people from having the opportunity to be fully integrated legally within our country. it's good for us. it's good economically. it's good for the taxes that will be legally collected, it's good for the children so that they can go as far as their hard work and talent will take them. so i am 100% behind comprehensive immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship. >> last week an undocumented immigrant who had been deported five times killed a 32-year-old, kate steinly in san francisco, sanctuary city where local law enforcement does not enforce immigration laws. you supported sanctuary cities. in light of this terrible incident does that change anything about your view on this? >> well what should be done is any city should listen to the department of homeland security which as i understand it urged
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them to deport this man again after he got out of prison another time. here's a case where we've deported we've deported we've deported he ends back up in our country. and i any the city made a mistake. the city made a mistake not to deport someone that the fralg government strongly felt should be deported. i have absolutely no support for a city that ignores the strong evidence that should be acted on. however, there are -- if it were -- the first time traffic citation many if it were something minor or a misdemeanor. that's entirely different. this man had been deported five times, and he should have been deported at the request of the federal government. >> just a couple quick questions before we go. what's been your change. since you declared that you've done a national interview like
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this we saw sort of a visual representation of the arm's length with the rope incident this weekend in new hampshire. what's changed, why now? >> well nothing's really changed, i just have a different rhythm to my campaign. i'm not running my campaign for the press, i'm running it for voters. i totally respect the press, and what the press has to do. but i wanted and was determined to have the time that i needed to actually meet and listen to people. you know i had not been involved in domestic politics while i was secretary of state, and i just wanted to get my own feel my own time face to face with people and i learned a lot. i mean if i had not been listening in those small groups where people told me about substance abuse and the toll it was taken on their families or untreated mental health problems. or the struggles just to get paid sick days i would have been concerned about them but i wouldn't have made them as
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absolute front and center in my campaign. there are a number of issues that are like that. i've always believed that i would spend the first 90 days and that it will be 90 days on sunday kind of getting my feel of what was going on in the country. feeling that i understood what people wanted and how they perceived this election. so that as i began to roll out my policies i'm doing it in a way that really connects with where people are thinking and what they're expecting. so obviously, i'll be doing a lot more press. i did local press all along, the last three months. again, it was interesting to see what questions, the local press would be asking me. so everything has its own time and i'm on my own rhythm i feel very good about it. >> have you given any thought to the woman who should be on the $10 bill? >> you know i am very torn. i want a woman on a bill i don't know why they picked the
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10$10 bill. some people are campaigning for the $20 bill. >> i want a woman on the bill i think that it might be easier to change the 20 than it is to change the 10. i don't like the idea. as a compromise you would basically have two people on the same bill. one would be a woman, that sounds pretty second class to me. a woman should have her own bill it may be more appropriate to look at the 20 than the 10 i don't know we'll see. finally, i know you've seen your new doppelganger on saturday night live kate mckinnon. >> yeah. she plays you and justin bieber. >> that's pretty good. i wish i could sing. >> quite some range. >> i know i know you do. who's the better hillary clinton? kate mckinnon or amy poehler? >> amy's a friend of mine kate's doing a great job. you're not going to get me to pick one or the other.
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i'm the best hillary clinton. i'm going to keep going on along and saying what i believe in and putting forth the changes that i think would be good for the country and i'm not looking for ratings i'm looking for votes. >> secretary clinton, thank you so much for talking with us. >> my pleasure, thafrgs. so ending there on a lighter note jim, you it was really interesting in the interview to highlight the issue of trust. because you see hillary clinton taking no responsibility for what we have seen has been eroding opinion of her as trustworthy and honest. she pointed to republican attacks on that even though i think even many democrats who support her that i've spoken to say the e-mails and the clinton foundation issues are self-inflicted wounds that have hurt her trust rating. >> no question. unyielding defiant at times, please stay there for more on your exclusive interview, we're
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we're back with brianna keeler and her exclusive interview with hillary clinton, also with us gloria bore ger, senior washington correspondent and political reporter sarah murray. brianna, i want to start with you, this is hillary clinton's first national interview. in a way, her reintroduction to the american public as the 2016 campaign gets into higher gear with a lot of challenges on
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trust, on openness on e-mail questions. you were pressing her on a number of these issues and she was pushing back on some of these issues. as you were sitting across from her, did you see and hear a more forthcoming, a more open hillary clinton or a defiant one? >> no, i didn't hear a more open or transparent hillary clinton, i heard her not engaging on the issue of bernie sanders, he's a self-described democratic socialist, and asking -- i asked her why is he garnering the support, this enthusiasm you don't seem to among democrats, she wouldn't engage on that. eastern on this concern, if she were to face off against jeb bush. she wouldn't engage on that she was quick to move on. the big issue has to do with her trust. she insists that voters should
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and do trust her, at the same time we see in our recent poll nearly six in ten americans say they don't find her honest or trustworthy, that's significant. credibility so key to leadership while she's blaming republicans on this this is a recent development that we have seen with a couple controversies plaguing her, one being the e-mails which even democrats will say that's a self-inflicted wound that she was using her personal e-mail account only a personal server that she turned over e-mails she chose to but ultimately wiped her server and this issue of the clinton foundation having business. dealing with doe nation from countries that may have had business. and certainly will have had business before the u.s. in the future jim. >> brianna mentions those trust numbers, 57% in the cnn orc poll which is the worst figures for her any time since 2001 you see that reflected in other polls, in key swing states in pennsylvania ohio and florida. challenges on trust, and sarah mentioned a poll in new
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hampshire that we did 28%, made her the least trustworthy of the presidential candidates. here's how hillary clinton answered the question. have a listen. >> this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many many years. and at the end of the day, i think voters sort it all out. i have great confidence. i trust the american voter, so i trust the american voter 100%. because i think the american voter will weigh these kinds of accusations. i mean people write books filled with unsubstantiated attacks against us. and even admit they have no evidence. >> it echos vast right wing conspiracy from 1998. >> hillary clinton is running a primary race right now, she's running in the iowa caucuses her trust numbers in iowa are
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75%. nothing united states democrats. >> among democrats. >> among democrats. >> nothing united states democrats like attacks against republicans. so what she did very cleverly was kind of turn it all just the way bill clinton did. this is all about republicans attacking me what is she trying to do? she's trying to get those liberal democrats who go to the iowa caucuses who have been liking bernie sanders a lot to say, you know what she's got a point there. >> and she also though. you can tell she's looking ahead to that general election. >> she's keeping one eye on bernie sanders. my biggest takeaway from this interview, the spectrum of hostility the republican party has toward immigration, that's a key line the democrats are going to keep pushing in the general election whether she's the nominee or not. shaez something she knows demographically speaking in this country. it reminds you of what the obama campaign tried to do to m.i.t. romney early on.
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>> on that trust issue, is that an opportunity for republicans? >> absolutely it's an opportunity. they've seen that in the polling, they've seen it moves her numbers. they're not going to walk away say these things about them on immigration. i have a statement right here from jeb bush's campaign that saysed governor does believe in a conservative legislative solution to fix our broken immigration system. he's saying look you can't paint me on this spectrum of hostility, i think we're going to see republicans pushing back on trust and on immigration 37. >> we're going to talk about immigration next donald trump comes into that debate. please is a with us and you stay with us. we'll be right back with more. [ male announcer ] we know they're out there. you can't always see them. but it's our job to find them. the answers. the solutions.
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welcome back tonight hillary clinton is not letting her friendship with donald trump stop her from blasting his ranges about mexicans. we're back with brianna keeler her exclusive interview with clinton along with gloria borger and sarah murray. you look at hillary clinton. and donald traump, they're friends. maxed out $100,000 to the clinton foundation here's what she had to say about his comments on mexican immigrants. >> i'm very disappointed in those comments and i feel very bad and very disappointed with
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him and with the republican party for not responding immediately and saying enough stop it. >> is that a sufficient answer for her? >> politically, this is easy for her. she can deflect it all on the republican party, paint every candidate with the same proud stroke even though some of them are for a pathway to citizenship, she can volley it back at republicans, you didn't take him on early enough soon enough can you be sure she's going to continue doing this. >> republicans should have seen this coming. they should have known if they didn't step up if they didn't take on donald trump on these comments this is exactly what was going to be coming from hillary clinton, here they are. they haven't articulated where they stand as a party jeb bush is for a legal status. you know where i am you don't know where he's guys are.
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>> it helps hillary clinton, the more he keeps running his mouth, it brings republicans down she's sitting back and enjoying it. >> she's a friend of his, he's from new york he gave money to her campaign. this is about the republican party. i thought she deflected that pretty well. >> republicans have no single position until they have a position or a candidate with a single position. this is going to be easy for her. >>. >> a fascinating interview. a revealing interview for the democratic front-runner what was your biggest surprise sitting down across from her for 18 1/2 minutes? >> i would say i thought the immigration argument gave us a view into the future on what we should expect as this campaign season moves on. really the trust issue, i think surprised me when she said she takes no responsibility for so many more americans believing she isn't honest and trustworthy. she blamed it on republicans,
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she didn't take responsibility on e-mails on the clinton foundation issues. that's something i think is going to continue to plague her. >> a missed opportunity, brianna keeler thanks very much. fascinating interview. donald trump's response when reporters asked if he regrets anything he said about immigration. we'll also hear what some of trump's latino workers have to say. they're working on a project only blocks from the white house. today's stunning admission about how little progress the u.s. military is making in one of its main goals in the war on isis. (wind chimes) (single piano note) (wind chimes and piano) when you're not confident you have complete visibility into your business, it can quickly become the only thing you think about.
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breaking now, an astonishing revelation about the u.s. military's lack of progress in the war against isis. let's bring in barbara starr, the original goal had been more than 5,000 syrian rebels trained per year. how many so far? >> 60. that was the shocking revelation we know the war against isis has been going slowly but how slowly? 60 rebels from the moderate syrian factions trained so far. the goal had been 5,000 testimony from defense secretary ash carter today on capitol hill. senator john mccain, chairman of the senate armed services committee not reacting to this very well many of the syrians, of course don't necessarily want to just get trained to fight isis they want to fight the regime of bashar al assad, the syrian president, mccain made the point that even with
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the training of these rebels there's very little promise in his view is that they will be protected against assad. listen to this exchange. >> this is not a pleasant exchange i'd like to have answers to questions. will we tell them that we will defend them against bashar assad's bombing? >> i think we have an obligation to help them -- >> will we tell them that? >> we have not told them that? >> we have not told them that. you're recruiting people and not telling them they're going too defend them because you haven't made a decision yet. you want to train them quickly and send them in. >> the u.s. -- the administration making the point there are no plans to send additional troops. maybe some acting as ground spotters for targeting in the future the administration making it clear, no change in strategy. jim? >> sobering assessment to say the least. coming up a civilian plane collides with the military fighter jet scattering fragments
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welcome back look no further than this afternoon's interview with hillary clinton and you'll see the huge impact that donald trump is having on the political debate over immigration. listen to what happened when reporters caught up with trump in new york and asked if he regrets anything he said. >> no. not at all. we have to stop illegal immigration into this country. it's killing our country. >> however, for latinos working on trump's businesses.
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this season just political, it's personal. cnn senior washington correspondent joe johns spoke with them today. >> this is the project behind me less than a block away from the justice department on pennsylvania avenue. questions have been raised about whether there are undocumented workers on the site. the trump organization says it has no knowledge of that but the project management company they brought in on the old post office has declined to comment to cnn. >> just blocks from the white house in downtown washington. real estate mogul donald trump is turning the old post office pavilion into a luxury hotel that will bear his name. >> it will be perhaps the most luxurious hotel when we finish anywhere in the world. >> trump has tauted the $20 million project on the campaign trail. >> we're really good we have a really good plan.
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>> trump's interview will be on anderson cooper 360 tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. the scolding he got from hillary clinton in our exclusive interview. a lot more to talk about, taking him on her opponents on the right. we're learning about fatalities in that crash, between an air force f-16 fighter jet and a civilian plane, stand by for more details. stay with us.
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happening now, running out of patience. the exchange on capitol hill over the slow pace of the war against isis. the pentagon admits that only a few dozen syrian rebels have been trained to fight the terror group. the powerful senator accuses the administration of quote, disturbing self-delusion. mid-air collision. a jetliner scatters debris over a large area in south carolina. and our cnn exclusive. hillary clinton gives her first national interview as a 2016 candidate. speaking out on a republican rivals, her e-mail controversy and her own issue of trust. >> should and do trust me. and i have every confidence that that will be the outcome of this election. >> we want to welcome our