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>> breaking news, donald trump speaks out over a con dro ver sill over a decades old accusation. one-on-one with the mogul who wants to be your next president. addresses comments by a top advisor who told the daily beast you cannot rape your spouse. hear what donald trump has to say about that and more. plus wharks do you think today's bad news for the man who told us this? >> is tom brady a cheater? >> i don't believe so. >> i want to begin with the latest from donald trurp. trump. and he joins me now by phone. mr. trump, how are you doing? >> i'm doing very well. thank you very much. >> you put out a statement about this. but i want to give you a chance
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now to respond to the remarks from your lawyer, close advisor, michael cowen. that you and your ex-wife both denied many years ago. he made a number of vulgar threats against a reporter. >> first of all, "the daily beast" is a failing, financially disastrous -- i guess you'd call it a web site. it's got nothing going for itself. so that whole thing starts off by they have nothing to lose. they can say whatever they want. second of all, this is totally a false reporting. and they knew that. so i could understand somebody like michael cowen, who is an comment lawyer, being extremely angry about it. and third of all, ivana issued a statement, and he read it, that is totally false and it was all about her. and then she ended it by saying i think he would make an incredible president. >> let me read it, donald. she said i have recently
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read some comments attributed to me from nearly 30 years ago. donald and i are the best of friends and together we have raised three children we love and are proud of. i have nothing but fondness for donald and i wish him the best of luck in his campaign. incidentally x i think he would make an incredible president. she's standing by you. do you still standby michael cowen? >> you have to understand, michael was extremely angry because he knew it never toork place. he knew this web site was considered a joke. he was very angry. maybe he didn't even understand the question. but no, i don't. i disi agreed with him. who knows what he said. frankly, i'm not sure that they reported it 5:00 ratly anyway. but, assuming he said it, no, i disagreed with that. >> but you're not going to fire him? >> no, i'm not. he was very angry because they issued a falsz story to get publicity for themselves and to try to make thems relevant.
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people have been fired all over the place from them. and others are failing, too, in that world. a lot of them are failing. but this one is a particularly bad one. a lot of money was spent on it and it's been a disaster. and he knew that. he said to them, you know, you're doing the wrong thing. you do this, you're doing the wrong thing. so what happened is he probably got angry. in fact, when i first saw it, i said wow, it's something i disagree with. but that's the way it is. he's speaking for himself. he's not speaking for me, obviously. but i did tell him that i disz agreed. >> why do you think this is coming up when you have denied this for more than 30 years now? you and ivana. why is this coming up now. >> well, it's a vishsz business that you are in. it's a vicious business. you know, the world of politics. and i've always heard from the time i've very young, it's very, very hard for a very successful person to run for political office, especially for president. and now you see it.
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you see the way people are trying to pummel me, even though -- and i'm fine with it. but it's very dishonest. i've had other story that is aren't as dramatic, bud they're equally dise dishonest. it amazes me that people are getting away with this kind of stuff. you shouldn't be allowed to do it. first of all, it's nice that you read her stachlt. she issued it right away and i thought that was amazing. and i appreciate your reading it. but, you know, that people are allowed to do this. and honestly, what the problem is, it will keep other very successful people which is the kind of person, male or female, that you need running for the office of president and that you need as president. to straighten out the country: it will keep them from running. you know, when people see what i
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go through, the only good news is i'm leading in all the polls and leading very substantially. and another one came out, a great one in new hampshire, which is a state i love. and iowa. i'm doing great in iowa. two amazing places with amazing people. and, you know, i'm leading by a lot. so that's the good news. >> you're leading by a lot in a lot of polls. and i want to talk to you about that. but to your point, this is to your point, donald. i don't want you to misconstrue anything. you denounce the statements. give me clarity and we'll move on. >> it's disgusting that they can even make these stants. this isn't new. >> i mean the statements from michael cowen. >> oh, yes, well, i disagree with what he said, absolutely: you are the front runner now and i think that's part of your appeal.
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now this debate is coming up. are you ready for it? >> i have absolutely no idea how to answer that question. i am me. i don't have polsters. i have a lot of money, much more money than all of them put together and all of their phony contributions put together. but you have to understand. i want to be me. you know, they pay polsters millions and millions of dollars, don. you know that better than anybody. and they won't answer a question, you see with jeb bush with the simple question that was asked about iraq, it took five days to get the answer out. and i think jeb is probably a nice person. i don't really know jeb. but i think he's probably a nice person. but you can't rely on polsters every time there's a question. same thing with hillary clinton. i mean, she doesn't want to answer any questions, she doesn't deal with the press. everything is done by polsters. >> but, donald, you're going to
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be up on that stage, up against the other candidates. are you prepare sng do you he a debate coach? are you ready for this? >> i am what i am. i am what i am. debate coach. look, romney had a debate coach. and frankly, i thought obama was materialen. romney got worse and worse. i'm doing this because i want to make america great again. and that's why i'm doing it. i'm not doing it because i need to do it. that i can tell you. people are saying why are you doing that? you put yourself through that kind of abuse. but, you know, you get accused of so many different things. so much purposely inaccurate reporting. but i'm doing it becaus i want to make our country great again. we can do it. we probably have a last chance
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to do it, if you want to know the truth, don. >> so if you don't do well in the debate, are you saying you're going to ride off into the sun set? >> i don't know what the definition of not well is. you may do well. and, frankly, you may do great and a lot of reporters, no matter what, it was abraham lincoln up there and you may find out that they may say oh, gee, he didn't do well. i may think i totally won the debate and read the next day that i didn't. i've ha that so much with the press. >> i'm looking forward to it. i'm a gentleman. i read all sorts of things. a lot of these people are not doing very well in the polls. they're intelligent people. they may come at me strong and they may not. it's about our country. >> donald, it's a long, hard flog as you know. are you getting tired? >> no, i'm not getting tired. i seem to be -- i seem to have quite a bit of energy.
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i had wonderful parents and they were very energetic people. and they lived long lives, my parents. and so in that respected, i'm very lucky. and, no, i'm not tired. actually, it's very exhilarating. the wonderful thing is you get up and you see a poll from new hampshire where it's not even -- plus, i mean, i'm so far in the lead. they want to see great things happen for the country. and they know that politicians are all talk. no action. they're run by the special swres e interest. they're run by the lobbyists. you see these people, you know, this weekend, bush was in the hamptons raising money. i knew the people he was with. and these people are tough, smart, many of them wall street types. they're doing that not because they love him. they're doing that because they want to control him once he gets into office. the nice part about me, i don't need anybody's money. nobody's controlling me, dob e don. i'm going to do what's right for the people. and i'm going to do what's right for the country. not for a wall street firm.
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>> we're not done yet. we've got a lot more on donald strump. when we come back, the $10 billion question. what is trump really worth?
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he's saying it hurts america. he's worried about with who he's going to turn the keys to the white house over to. >> first of all, john mccain has done a terrible job, and i think this is why, frankly, that so many people agree with what i'm saying. he's done a terrible job for the veterans. they're suffering like never before. their wait list is longer than ever before. they're waiting for a doctor longer hours as of last wednesday. it was the longest and the worst it's ever been. and people are tired of it. i love the vets. i've done a lot for the vets, including the vietnam memorial building in new york with a small group of very good people. and we got it built. and it's beautiful to this day. it's magnificent. lower manhattan. but i will tell you, people just cannot take the incompetence, the all-talk, no action of these politicia politicians. and john mccain and other politicians have done nothing for the vets. that's why when one of the groups, i think it was yours, actually, said who do you like better to the vets? trump or john mccain, trump
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easily won. that's not saying much for somebody that, you know, was in service for so long. >> and to the president's comments? >> i think it's pretty sad when you go to africa and you start talking about donald trump. he's supposed to be talking about relationships with africa and various countries. i think these people are sitting back and i look at the leaders who are sort of stunned that he's talking about donald trump. you're supposed to be talking about trade and other things having to do with his visit. i don't understand why he was talking about me. i guess you could say in a way i'm honored that he was. but i think he should stay on point. and he should do the job that he's over there for. not be talking about me. he's not the only one talking about you. >> i just don't believe that the skills that you're talking about
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that donald has are transferable to a governmental setting. see, donald would tell speaker boehner i want this bill and i want it on my desk because it's what's best for america. speaker boehner would look at him and say yeah, i don't have the votes for that so i can't give it to you. he can't look at him and say you're fired. you cannot fire the speaker of the house or the senate majority leader because you don't get what you're want. >> he's saying you're good at getting attention, but you may not be so good at governing. >> i've been dealing with politicians all of my life and i know chris and i like chris. but he's got to say that. what's he going to say? trump will do a better job than what i'm doing? i think it's very fair what he's saying.
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i think it's fair when chris challenges you in that way. if i'm him, i'm saying the exact same thing. but the fact is i've built an incredible company. i've dealt with politicians all 06 my life. i've dealt very well with politicians and in other countries, by the way. or i wouldn't have been able to be worth much more than $120 billion. you say 10 billion, they say $3 billion. >> they even say they don't know -- it was a stupid report. and, actually, bloomberg amazingly treats me worse than almost anybody. and he was a friend of mine. and i actually helped him. he had this disaster going along and they asked me, help, help, help. and i was the one that got it built after twenty some odd years of construction. i would say bloomberg probably treats me about as badly as anybody, which is really
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shocking. but, in this case, they actually add mit, because the guy didn't know what he was talking about, this young kid came up and saw some of my people and he didn't have a clue. and they admitted that they don't have numbers for many of the companies. they have no idea what i have. i'm a private company. what you should do, if you read the story, they'll say many of the companies we just don't value. so why do they go out with a story where they don't have a clue? they don't have a clue because they don't know my company. that's what being private is all about. but i built an amazing company. some of the great also sets of the world, some of the most iconic also sets of the world, some of the great, dwraet real e state of the world. and i did that also dealing with politicians and dealing in politics. >> yeah, and you can't drive a block in new york city without seeing some sort of trump branding. >> not only new york city. go all over the world. this week ebld e end, i'm going to skot rand. i don't like to take time off
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from what i'm doing because i'm loving what i'm doing. i'm on the trail as you would say, don. but i have to. ifgs going to be, you know, a year ago, i was going to be there for a whole week and enjoy it. i can't. i'll be there for about a day and a half, two days. probably leave on saturday some time. but, you know, it's a great honor to have the women's british open which is the biggest tournament in golf. >> and then you're back on the campaign trail? >> i'll be back on saturday night. >> is the rnc -- >> i'm leaving tomorrow night and i'll be back on saturday. >> is the rnc getting any warmer towards you? or do you think that because i read in the hill that possibly would, you know, do a third party bid. are they worried about that? and will you do it? >> i think they've become very warm since they see that i'm leading in all the polls. i've hit a card e cord.
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the middle class is liking me a lot. on the border, you know, phoenix, i have 15,000 people in phoenix. it was an amazing day. an amazing day. and these are people that won border security. they want to stop the inflow of illegal immigrants coming in. a lot of groups agree with me. >> well, you know, a lot of people want me to do that. i have so many people that actually do that. but i don't want to do that.
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i'm the leader in the republican. obviously, i think that's better, from my stand point and from the stand point of winning. >> you tweet this today. i'm speaking of tom brady. you said i e they have no definitive proof against tom brady or hash tag pay trots. if hillary doesn't have to produce e-mails, why should tom? again, this is from me. sorry. so you tweeted this today. >> look, tom brady is a terrific guy.
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and i think he's been, you know, it's been a rough situation. and i'm for tom brady. i like tom brady. we're not talking about nuclear. we're not talking about anything. i'm for tom brady. a lot of people say the rules weren't popular with the balls with the testing. a lot of people don't know how the ball is tested. i just think this, the nfl should treat people, also, with great respected. maybe they should have had tougher rules in place. they wouldn't have had the proof to go before a jury. he would have won, you know, based on this day. so i'm a tom brady guy. i like him a lot. the nfl spent millions and millions and millions of dollars hiring top, top, top law firms.
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i think it's a shame. he wants to help people. he's just a great guy. even the fact that they waited this long. this thing went on forever. i think they treated him very, very rough. and it's a shame. squl before i let you go, you're often talking about china and the manipulation of currency. what do you make of this is this. >> and i also said china is a big bubble. >> do you think that's refleblgted today in the stock sns. >> financially, it's all built on hope and dreams. you look at what went on in china. frankly, not that it's a nice thing. but we can benefit. if we have a stupid leader, it
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can be taken down with them. >> donald trump, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> as you heard, donald trump is confident he'll win the nomination. but one of my next guests says flat out, trump will lose. we're going to talk about it next.
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a guy, he spoke for himself. i told him about it. end, done deal. there was nothing there to begin with. >> rich, she -- >> go ahead. >> people suddenly realize that donald trump's closest confidant is a liberal democratic act vis chlts and emer son that institution is the length and shadow of a man. >> what evidence do you have? >> he has plenty of pictures of michael cowan with hillary clinton. he's surrounded himself with guys like that. and, frankly, whether or not cowan was right or wrong, which was abhorrent, what he said.
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suddenly, donald trump is leaving this to his minnons. you're talking about an establishmented guy. you have the audacity to call somebody a minnon? who do you think's been attacking conservatives for the last election cycle. >> one at a time, please. >> he's not a conservative and hasn't been a conservative. he is a long time liberal. he is a grie who has been pro-abortion, progun-control. this is a guy who's conning conservatives. he's running a scam on conservatives. >> absolutely not. >> and this is a fraud executed by a tv character. >> he's not running a scam. simply because -- you want to know the reason why so many people are flocking to donald trump? you might want the look in the mirror. the republican party has failed for decades to govern as
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republicans. you can talk about liberal policies all day long. republicans are supporting liberal policies right now. >> are they pro-abortion? are they pro-gun control? >> why don't we talk about this? your guy, mitch mcconnell won't defungt -- >> wait one second. not one person in the republican leadership right now is a pro-single payer health departmentcare, pro-high taxes liberal. donald trump isn't even a republican. he's a registered independent. he can't be on the ballot because he's not an actual republican. i know he doesn't want to -- >> dpe fine a a republican is. define what a republican is. the republicans that are runing right now -- >> there's a pretty simple typology on the back -- >> so let me jump in here. you have 16 people on the ballot. the person what's ahead doubles, and if all of those are registered republicans, the one
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person is not -- >> he's not. he says he's running as a republican. right now, there are two big factors ininvolved. he's been a characterer he plays on tv for 20 plus years. >> that would have lasted about two weeks ago. >> but there's also a dynamic where the media wants donald trump to be the only story. this is a self reinforcing cycle. he lobs an insult, somebody responds. and it's great process story, low-rent cycle time with the media. every day they know they're going to get something outrageous and cooky out of donald. so they cover him more and more and more. >> we're covering because he's accepting interviews. jeb bush, we invited jeb bush. we would invite chris christie. joan casey is on the air today.
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>> yes, but don trump is a different category. he will say whatever is on his mind. >> but the real problem is the establishment is freaking out right now because their guy, jeb bush, is down by double digits. when this whole thing started, donald trump is not serious, he's not going to be able to do anything. guess what, he's up in iowa, he's up in new hampshire. that's fine. he can have his day. you guys need to figure out that the base is not supporting what you're selling. if you get a third party candidate, it's because of the failure of the republican leadership. >> let's talk about the debate next thursday. i asked konld trump if he was preparing and he told me i am what i am. do you buy that, rick?
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>> i think donald trump's ego is in his game now. i think he's going to think that all of those guys are sbim dated by him. i think a couple of them are going to tear the bark off of him. i think he's going to be very surprised it's not donald trump bellowing at the latest object fest. it is going to be a serious debate with real, smart folks who have been in the debate before. >> i don't think so. look. the only egos involved here are the republican establishment. that's why they're all licking their wounds right now trying to control a man that cannot be controlled. but here's the thing, the debates are going to be very telling. >> i want to talk about mark cuban. he's a billionaire, as we know.
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he's not a friend of donald trump, necessarily. but, nonetheless, this is what he says. it's the best thing the happen to politics in a long time. and then he went onto say i don't care what his actual positions are. i don't care if he says the wrong thing. he says what's on his mind. he gives honest answers rather than prepared answers. this is more important than any candidate in years. this is a guy who gets in a fuse with donald trump and, still, he reichs him in the race. that pretty much sums it up. it sounds like that woman who was at the town hall with chris christie. >> that's the thing. people aren't understanding. there's a psychological thing going on here. you have a man who is unbeholden to no one. there isn't anyone that can buy him. he has nothing to lose. he's just being who he is. people respect that. on the other hand, they're in big business. the little guys are being left out here. so donald trump is out there speaking for those people. that's why he's resonating.
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not because he's a celebrity. >> i want to ask you about this new york times art kal. it's now sworn testimony that they have uncovered gill donald trump over the last decades show him to be hyperbolic, particularly in questions on wealth&finances. is everything fair game? >> listen, donald trump has a very long history in business and all of it is going to come out. all the opposition research is going to come out. there are going to be questions about donald trurp's long relationship with a viert of italian americans in the construction business. there are going to be a lot of questions pointed at donald trump very soon at things he's not prepared to answer. and because he's the only guy in his campaign, it's all going to have to come out of him. you're going to see donlds trump get peeled back into the real guy.
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you're going to see that this $10 billion net worth thing is an imaginative number. you're going to see this thing peeled back. here's what's going to happen. the media is goimpk to go after him in a much more vicious way. >> but you wrote the article pitting trump against the establishment. >> thanks to both of you. >> yeah. >> looks like a patriot star quarterback tom brady cannot keep the suspension line down. ♪ ♪
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this is the most powerful man in american sports opposing our most celebrated athlete, the most successful quarterback of this american serge ri. mister all everything. they're going at each other. today, it got crazier. it's that they revealed that tom brady actually destroyed his cell phone the dthat nfl i believe ves gaitors came to see him. he said that he regularly destroys or rather orders the
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cell phone destroyed by an assistant. i would love to noe whose job that is to destroy cell phones. but, aparentally, he says that every four or five months, they switch cell phones, destroy the sim card for privacy reasons. that very well may be true, but the issue is you don't destroy evidence when you are under investigation. and certainly not the day that the investigator comes to see you. >> you have some information, as i understand, that there's a report tonight that the nfl was willing to make a deal, was a 50% reduction in suspension in exchange for an admission of gilt. is that true? >> i spoke to someone from the nfl pa. the nfl pa was the ones negotiating on tom brady's behalf. he told me any report that the nfl offered brady in exchange for certain stipulations, as he
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put it, cat gcategorically fals. and what the spokesman told me was that the nfl didn't give them any kind of official counter offer at all. that the only thing that they were told was, hey, if he's not ready to admit his gilt, we can't even talk to you and the two sides walked away. that's according to the nflp. the nfl won't comment on that. >> he does right now. now. the nfl pa and tom brady are going to take the nfl to court. they filed some sort of a pree..ive laut of their own in new york court. it's been a little bit more friendly to management, the nfl. the players' association is going to file a suit in minnesota because that is typically a labor-friendly federal district. and they are going to go from there.
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the pa on brady's behalf today called the cell phone issue a spokes screen. they said it was a new low, even for the nfl, to throw this cell phone into the mix. what was the procedure here of roger goodall being the appeals officer on his own case there. >> i'm going to be watching you and asking you lots of questions up until football season starts. >> it's a circus, my friends, and nobody is coming out of this looking good. >> thank you, rachel. i appreciate it, always. what you can and can't say about race in america. and who decides. next, a man who says antiracism is the new american religion. you don't want to miss it. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber.
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america is a nation of many faets. even no faith at all, if you choose. but, joining me now, the man who says we have a whole new religion, and that religion is antiracism with its own preachers, scriptures, commandments the faithful don't dare break. the author of winning the race beyond the crisis in black
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america. another fascinating piece. i'm so glad that you've here to talk about it. you said that antiracism is the new religion. why is that? >> we have a religion in that there is scripture and there are questions you're not supposed to ask. and there is original sin. and, so, for example, there is scripture. the scripture says that america is based on racism and racism is what america is all about today. those right-hand turn indefensible positions. but we're taught to treat these things for scripture. so, for example, if someone writes a piece called a case for reparations. and the main point is to indicate that scripture that i said, then the piece isn't engaged at this point, what people like about a piece like that who are members of this antiracism religion is simply that it was said and they're harkening to the proclamation. so the idea that you're speezed
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to edngage or ask questions. that's considered incorrect. it's the way the work is supposed to be received. >> and i didn't think it was. i thought that the way you did it was just as a starting point. it was, you said it. when this book came out, and many people had written things about reparations before. it wasn't that different than what many people had written. but this was seen as gospel. yeah, i was genuinely perplexed. also, we all know that reparations isn't going toe happen in any real way. that's when i realized. wait a minute. he's preaching. and why i call it preaching is there's a sense in this religion that if you ask questions beyond
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a certain, small point, then there's something wrong with you. there are things that you're supposed to just allow. so, for example, a part from what he has written. why is it that the black community is much more upset about one white cop killing a black man or a black woman than the black men, for various reasons, are killing one another at alarming rates year after year in our sill e cities. now, if you ask that question, then you're given half answers. somebody will say there's a difference between people doing it from within the community as opposed to doing it as a figure of authority. >> what's the difference? >> that's not a satisfying answer. you might have more questions, but you're not supposed to ask, or somebody will, like charles blow, will say the people that are killing each other are doing it within a structure of racism. that's a start, but you may want to say why are we more upset at
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the one white cop. you're not to ask. of course, there are people who do ask. but when you ask the question, you're treated as if you've done something wrong. you've blown on a tuba in church. you're racist. you don't get it. you're not understanding the scripture. you're not with jesus. that's what it is. >> you say that it's not unlike religion. it's you must have faith. it's like someone saying in an arguemented, when you're talking about politics or whatever, why is that? because god said. or because the bible said. there are certain things that you just don't do. you have to buy into that, otherwise, you are wrong. >> you are wrong. there are certain questions. or, if you ask them, you are treated as if you've done something wrong. the eyes roll. you are a part of the problem. you are evidence that america doesn't want to talk about race and racism, when i think you and i both know that we talk about it all the time. the idea that anybody would say that is what i mean by religion. >> i want to talk about it,this is a new york times cbs poll,
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news poll, conducted between july 14th and 19th. found that nearly 6 and 10 americans found that race relations are bad and think race relations are getting worse. >> why is that? >> the main reason that black america feels racism is the defining aspect of being black is the cops, the problems with the cops. and, over the past two or three years, there have been many high profile incidents that have been terrible things and that, i think, and all of th fall out from that is why race relations are considered a problem. just the other day, i was listening to two black men talking about race in america. i started counting the seconds. and the first thing that came up was anybody who doesn't see racism as crazy, think of mike brown. and i thought to myself that conversation is representative.
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that's what's behind that boll. play this sound byte. >> every life matters. and that is why this is so important. black lives matter. white lives matter. all lives matter. black lives matter. white lives matter. all lives matter. >> what did you think of that moment? >> you know, i get where they're coming from. >> yes. >> wauz because what they're saying, yes, all lives matter,but there's a problem with some thinking black lives don't matter enough. the problem is a lot of people are listening to the slogan black lives matter. but is it that they matter only
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when white people take them? what i think to myself is these people are patrolling communities and calling attention to what white cops doing. i get it. they're fierce. i think to myself, we lack imagination because of our religion. which is that those same people with the same indignation looking at their phones, heroes. we should have people like that working on the problems within our communities, too. >> thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back.
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