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breaking news this morning. that piece of debris is it from missing malaysia airline flight 370? investigators pouring over it right now. the same type. same color as the vanished jetliner. we have team coverage breaking down the information. including a reporter on reunion island. all starting right now. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. it is thursday july 30th. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. the breaking news. a major development in the hunt
for missing flight 370. sources close to cnn tell us that a piece of debris on the remote shore in the western indian ocean appears to be from a 777. the same 777 that disappeared in march of 2014. that piece of debris apparently a flaperon. a flap from the wing found on reunion island. that is 2,300 miles from the area where the plane is believed to have gone down. cnn's robyn kriel is on reunion island. not easy to get to. robyn, we are lucky to have you there. what's the latest? >> reporter: john, the island is abuzz with the possible discovery. it has been a mystery the world has been waiting to solve for more than 500 days. families in agony for the wait of the missing people which the
airline were missing and presumed dead. if this does indeed turn out to be a flaperon or a piece of the missing boeing 777, several questions. how did it end up so far off course and how did it crash? if it turns out to be a piece of the missing plane, those will be answered in the coming days for families in the agonizing wait. john the australian deputy prime minister addressing the media saying that they were being cautious at this stage and they could not confirm it was indeed a major lead. here's what he had to say. >> this is obviously a very significant development. it's the first real evidence that there's a possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. it's too early to make that judgment but clearly we are
treating this as a major lead. >> reporter: on this island the search and really recovery has begun. this piece was found by just onlookers who alerted police and dragged that piece up on the beach. reunion is a french island and they have a french air force base. it is interesting to see how they have authorities coming in. australian has been charged with the search mission up until now. really leading the search mission. they had said this is not unlikely this would have been a place where this piece could have ended up when you look at the different gyres and currents and studies. john. >> right now, who is in possession of the piece of debris? do we expect any information in the coming hours? i see it is 1:00 p.m. where you are now. still several hours of daylight left. might officials be briefed soon?
>> reporter: we are expecting various people to be arriving john. including investigation teams from australia as well as malaysia. this is a remote island. there are no direct flights from here. we had to fly via madagascar. it took us quite a while. it will be some time before the investigators come. we are waiting to hear if there will be any media briefings. as of now, everyone has been quite quiet. including boeing. although this piece does have a number etched on it with letters. they have not come forward to say if that is a piece of their part. they will leave it up to officials. in international officials, this will be interesting. it will be jostled with the french malaysians and australians. we are waiting to see how it will be handled. everyone treading carefully. >> robyn kriel for us on reunion
island which is 2,300 miles from where officials have been searching for the missing malaysian jet for nearly 500 days. searching off the coast of australia. the piece found 2,300 miles away. investigators pouring over it now. malaysia and australian officials are expected to take a look at the piece. anxiously awaiting word if this is from mh-370. the families of the passenger and crew who have been waiting in the state of limbo since the plane disappeared. >> if ultimately this is a piece of the wing then that little thread of hope i have been holding on to will have to break and reality will have to take over. up until now, i and most of the family members have continued to believe until we have a body we can't give up hoping they will
still come back. >> there's no such thing as closure for these families. most of the passengers on mh-370 were chinese citizens. the crew from malaysia. cnn's andrew stevens has been in contact with the families over the last 500 days. he joins us from malaysia. andrew i guess despite the news, these families are very weary and cautious. >> reporter: very cautious very nervous and anxious. their words said to me today, john as i speak to family members. they are not going to accept anything until it is absolutely proven beyond doubt this part of the wing is from mh-370. we heard the deputy transport minister telling reporters a couple hours ago he was quote he almost certain this was from a boeing 777. he did not link that to mh-370.
the families i have been speaking to and the person you heard from there, sarah bajc she does now live in kuala lumpur. they don't want to accept anything until it is innproven. this were so many false leads and false reports in newspapers that the wreckage had been found. i spoke to one girl whose mother was on the flight. she said this is another link in the chain of the evidence that leads to nowhere. i can't accept this until i have proof. they are hanging by a thread as sarah bajc says. the hope is there with all of the families as it would have to be. to see this proof has to be so difficult for them. it's not just malaysia of course china. china had more nationals on the flight. 153 chinese nationals on the
flight. the families there have been speaking to the media. they put out a release. a collective statement to the media. i want to read it to you. it does encompass what the families of the 23:9 souls think. "we will follow the developments and hope to receive the official confirmation as soon as possible." we do not want to hear of guarantees of 99% likelihood from authorities. we need confirmation of 100% certainty. until that is a 100% certainty these families will hold on to the thread of hope although it is overwhelming which points to the plane crashing in the southern indian ocean. >> the families getting their information from the media. not official channels. sadly consistent with the operation from the very beginning. andrew stevens in malaysia. thank you so much andrew.
i want to talk about the piece of debris and if it is connected to mh-370. how long it may take to confirm that. joining us is justin green. an aviation attorney and former military pilot and now president of the international air and transportation bar association. justin thanks for coming in this morning. i think it is almost obvious to suggest this. if they do confirm quickly that this is from a boeing 777, no other boeing 777 has gone down in the indian ocean. it would almost having to be from mh-370. >> it would definitely be mh-370 if it is part of a 777 that has been in the water for the period of time we know that mh-370 has been missing. >> once you get technically adept people once you get people who know large aircraft 777s on the ground there taking a great look at it it shouldn't take long to get that confirmation. >> it will not take long. in fact i think people may already know whether it is part of the 777.
the question is there is an investigative process they have to go through. boeing is the expert on whether this is in fact a boeing part. they will help the investigators identify it as a 777 part. then the question is how they willow officially release the information. i hope they release the information first to the families. >> that would be nice. the families have not been given information in a timely fashion. there appears to be a maintenance number. that maintenance number should be enough to connect? >> absolutely. every part -- one of the things you have to understand is boeing 777 part -- there are parts of the airplane it has in common with other aircraft. a flaperon is from a 777. they number the parts for serial numbers and maintenance numbers.
without the numbers, if it is the right size and if it has been in the water the right time. >> it is a big piece of debris. i heard between seven and nine feet. this is a road map. it will reveal clues if it is from mh-370. >> the first major clue is that it will confirm the investigators are right. the airplane crashed and crashed in the indian ocean. that will rule out a number of theories. >> landing somewhere in asia. >> exactly. it could rule out possibility ofsof s what caused it. >> like an explosion. >> exactly. it is evidence. it is a piece of the puzzle but will not tell the whole story. >> the limitations are what? this ocean is huge? it has been in it for 500 days.
many pieces could be scattered. >> we will ultimately have to find the main part of the wreckage and ultimately find the black boxes. >> those are likely where? still probably in the area some 2,300 miles away? >> most likely. you have to remember in air france 447, it took a couple years to pull up the black boxes. >> does this make the search under water any easier? >> i don't think so. they will reexamine the search area based on where the part was found. >> justin green, thank you so much. fascinating as we look at the piece of debris and for the next several hours or days will be the most inspected piece of metal on earth. we continue to discuss the missing debris but first, donald trump talks to cnn calling for a mass deportation.
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new this morning, donald trump revealing how a president trump would reform immigration. the republican frontrunner would deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country and then let the good ones back in. we have dana bash with the interview. >> reporter: john donald trump is leading in the polls for lots of reasons, but probably the thing that propelled him early on was his stance against illegal immigration. the fact he took on the issue when the dozen other candidates did not want to talk about it as they have in past election years. the question for donald trump is what exactly are his plans beyond building a wall with mexico and so forth. i started by asking on that
issue the question about the 11 million or more undocumented immigrants in this country. who would he do about it? >> i want to get the bad ones out. not only the up withones in prisons, but the ones going around in san francisco and shooting kate and shooting jamill and shooting people that should not be with us. then we have a law. you are supposed to come in legally. i would get people out. i would have an expedited way of getting them back in to the country so they can be legal. >> hold on to that point. when you say get people out. are you talking about a mass deportation? >> we don't know who these people are. >> how do you find them? >> we have to find them. >> how do you do that? you're a business guy. >> we have to find them. politicians aren't going to find them. they don't have a clue. we will find them. we will get them out. >> you say get them out. the process of that.
there are a lot of smart people who focused on this for a long time who say it is not feasible. >> it is feasible if you know how to manage. politicians don't know how to manage. >> john not an entirely fully formed position on immigration specifically on what to do with the undocumented people in this country so far. even when it comes to the idea of dreamers. the young people who came to the country through no fault of their own, it was actually interesting to hear donald trump say out loud almost think out loud about what his position could be. it will be interesting to see how that plays out when he is standing next to nine other candidates competitors during the debate next week. >> interesting. almost policy on the fly. thank you. fired university of cincinnati police officer ray tensing will be in court this morning. following the indictment of murder for the shooting of the
unarmed black motorist samuel dubose over a missing front license plate. the ohio prosecutor said this is the most asinine action he has seen a police officer has taken. this came after the body camera footage that shows dubose not acting aggressively toward tensing as he had claimed. >> take your seatbelt off. stop. stop! >> i think he was making an excuse for a purposeful killing of another person. that's what i think. i'm not saying he's smart. i just saying what i think he did. >> that camera footage is tough to see. after that camera footage, tensing turned himself in. the dubose family unmoved by that. >> he is devastated he is being accused. he's devastated. it just kicked me in the stomach to hear that.
we're devastated. yesterday i left my brother at the cemetery. my mother buried her son and he's devastated? i just think he really needs to rethink that. >> if convicted, tensing could get life in prison. all right. our breaking news this morning. a piece of debris on an island in the indian ocean. you are looking at pictures of it right now. is it connected to mh-370? we are live on reunion island with new developments in the investigation. stay with us.
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breaking news. a major developments in the search for missing malaysia airlines flight 370. a piece of debris found in the indian ocean. we have cnn's tom foreman with how it could be from the missing jet. >> reporter: this piece of debris is seven feet long and three or four feet wide and we're now told it is consistent with what you would find on a 777 made by boeing. let's bring up a model of the missing plane and talk about where you would find it on the plane. our aviation analysts say it would likely be on the back side of the left wing right in here. a controlling flaperon as they call it. it meets the first part of the test for a match. it is the right type of piece to find. it is also the right color and
right condition. it has barnacles all over it. now we have to check out the identifiers. the serial numbers on the piece. almost every part in a big aircraft like this has serial numbers on it like this seat cushion from a different plane. if they find this serial number on the other part the thing they just found, and it matches the malaysia air flight they will know. they will have evidence of the plane. it doesn't answer all of the questions. all of the search areas for the plane were near the coast of australia over here. how did it get all the way over there some 2,300 miles or more away? that is how they have to look at the currents to see if currents were strong enough to push it to reunion island and give us maybe the first physical piece. >> thanks tom foreman.
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with the very latest starting now. welcome back to "early start." i'm john berman. 30 minutes past the hour. we do want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. the breaking news right now. a possible turning point. a major development in the hunt for missing flight 370. a piece of debris on the shore of an island in the western indian ocean appears to be from a boeing 777. a boeing 777, the same model of mh-370 with 239 people on board in march of 2014. the debris is a flaperon from a wing. it was found on reunion island. it 2,300 miles where the plane is believed to have gone down. cnn's robyn kriel is live for us on reunion island. not easy to get to.
robyn, we are lucky to have you there. what's the latest? >> reporter: thank you very much john. yes, this piece of debris picked up by civilians just trying to clean up the beach. they called the authorities. the authorities taking that into custody. we have information, the b.e.a. the french authorities over the island, will be coordinateing the investigation. when the malaysian authorities come into reunion island and the australian authorities, looking for the wreckage that the french authorities will be handling and coordinating this investigation. obviously, the australians and malaysians will have a lot to do with it since they have been coordinating the search for the past 500 days. john an incredibly far distance from kuala lumpur which is where the plane took off.
it was due for beijing, but went missing in march of last year. here's what the australian deputy prime minister who oversees the transportation board coordinating the search had to say. >> this is obviously a very significant development. it's the first real evidence there is a possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. it's too early to make that judgment but clearly we are treating this as a major lead. >> reporter: now in terms of the civilians on the flight. the malaysian authorities declared them dead and said this was an accident. this will be a major development if it does turn out to be part of mh-370. the civilians on the plane, a number of chinese, three americans and some australians which is believed to be why the
australian transportation board is involved and the search area was around their country. >> robyn kriel for us on reunion island. give us a sense and help us understand where reunion island is and what resources are there to begin with. >> reporter: well reunion island is a french island. there's a french air force base here. this is currently with the french police and in their custody. in terms of what resources they have it is a french air force. they will have some aircraft that they can use to search around the perimeter. they will not have nearly the types of equipment needed to conduct a search like the australians have been vested in during the last 500 days. you need specific equipment for going deep under the sea and
looking at currents and gyres of the waves to understand how a piece of debris like this washed up. australian transport authority saying it is not inconsistent with where they thought the debris could end up, but it doesn't necessarily mean the entire wreckage is nearby. >> robyn kriel for us on reunion island. cnn on the scene and investigators looking at the piece of debris trying to confirm if it is from mh-370. robyn, thank you. anxiously awaiting word. the families of the passengers and crew missing since the plane disappeared. these folks have been in a state of limbo. >> if ultimately this is a piece of wing that little thread of hope i have been holding on to will have to break and reality will have to take over. up until now, i and most of the family members have continued to believe until we have a body we
can't give up hoping they will still come back. >> for so many families, they made clear there will be no closure no matter what happens. most of the passengers were chinese citizens. cnn's andrew stevens has been in contact with the families over the last 500 days. he is in malaysia this morning. this morning, andrew these families seem weary. >> reporter: they are, john. they are not going to accept anything until there is absolute proof. 100% proof this is linked to mh-370. the malaysian deputy prime minister saying he was almost certain that this part of the wing was part of the boeing 777. not relating it to mh-370. the people i have been speaking to say we cannot accept this until it is absolutely beyond
doubt that this is the plane which does prove that mh-370 did come down in the great southern ocean. southern indian ocean and we can then actually grieve. as we heard from sarah bajc there who lives now in kuala lumpur. this is very common. they cannot give up. they cannot accept until they are shown there is no other way that anything else could have happened. it is not just here in malaysia. as you mentioned, a lot of chinese nationals on the flight. 153 chinese nationals, including infants, too, john. chinese have been very vocal over the past 500 days in trying to get information from the authorities which has been difficult to come by. that's another common story here. they are just not getting the information. the chinese put out a statement
a while ago. i want to read it for you. it captures what the families are thinking. this is what the statement said "we will follow the developments and hope to receive the official confirmation as soon as possible." we do not want to hear of guarantees of 99% likelihood from certain authorities. we need confirmation of 100% certainty. that 100% certainty allows them sarah bajc to let go of the thread of hope. one woman i spoke to a lawyer she said we have been down the path before. at the moment this is another link in the chain until i see proof. 100%. i can't believe anything other than my mother is still missing somewhere in the world. that's what i got to live with at the moment. i have to live like that. john. >> andrew stevens for us in
kuala lumpur. thank you, andrew. let's ask the questions that the families are asking. joining us is justin green. a former aviation pilot and military pilot. justin thank you for being with us. the piece of debris is a flap there is flaperon? >> it is a flap. it does the duty of an aerulon which helps the plane turn and roll. that's why the name has flap in it and eron. >> reporter: if it is confirmed it is from a boeing 777. no other 777 has gone down in the indian ocean. it has to be from mh-370? >> there is not a lot of parts of 777s in the world. certainly none other than this one, mh-370 in the indian
ocean. if it is a 777 part. it has been in the water, the evidence indicates, it has been in the water for the right amount of time. >> there is a maintenance number on it which they are looking at it today. that maintenance number i have to believe would be fairly easy to tie to at a minimum, a 777 right away. >> the part will have a serial number on it. stamped by boeing at the boeing factory. once they read that they will note know it is the part. they may already know. the question is when and how will they officially let people know. one way or the other, if it is not a part from a 777 or it is a part, one of the things the families need to understand is whether their loved ones are missing forever. they like you or i, they have been holding on hope for a miracle. >> the size of the piece of
debris you know in other markings on it it could give some clues too what happened to the aircraft? >> one of the things will indicate is what impact forces the plane experienced when it hit the water. it will confirm the investigators are right. there has been a crash. the crash happened in the indian ocean. the impact forces will also suggest whether or not the crash was survivable. it may tell a very significant story about the last minutes of the flight. >> you think we will get confirmation today? >> i don't think so. i think -- i hope they tell the families first so they have to set something up to let the families know. it could be later today. >> justin green, thank you. the breaking news is the debris on reunion island. we are waiting official word. first, donald trump calling for the deportation of 11 million
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trump. >> reporter: john donald trump is of course leading in the polls for lots of reasons, but probably the thing that propelled him early on was his stance against illegal immigration. the fact he took on the issue at a time when the dozen plus other republican candidates really didn't want to talk about it as much as they have in past election years. the question has been for donald trump what exactly are his plans beyond building a wall with mexico and so forth. i started by asking on that issue the question about the 11 million or maybe more undocumented immigrants in this country. what would he do about it? listen. >> i want to get the bad ones out. not only the ones in prisons, but they are never coming back, not only the ones in prisons, but the ones in san francisco shooting kate and jamill. then we have a law.
you are supposed to come in legally. i would get people out and i would have an expedited way of getting them back in to the country so they can be legal. >> hold on that point. you say get people out. are you talking about a mass de deportation deportation? >> we don't know who these people are. we have to find them. politicians aren't going to find them. they have no clue. we will find them. we will get them out. >> still, get them out. just the process of that. there are a lot of smart people focused on this for a long time saying it is not feasible. >> it is feasible if you know how to manage. politicians don't know how to manage. >> reporter: john not a fully form position on illegal immigration and what to do with the undocumented people in the country so far. when it comes to the idea of dreamers. the young people who came to the
country through no fault of their own. it is interesting to hear donald trump say out loud almost think out loud about what his position could be. it will be interesting to see how that plays out when he is standing next to nine other candidates competitors, for the republican nomination next week. john. >> dana bash thank you. the breaking news right now. a piece of debris found on an island in the indian ocean. 2,300 miles from where they have been searching for mh-370. is this a major breakthrough? we have a reporter live on the scene right after this. does your makeup remover take it all off? every kiss-proof cry-proof, stay-proof look? neutrogena® makeup remover does. it erases 99% of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette.
breaking news. a major development in the search for the missing malaysia airline flight 370. a piece of debris recovered in the indian ocean. it appears to be from a boeing 777. tom foreman has more and how investigators can figure out it is from the missing jet. >> reporter: this piece of debris is seven feet long and three or four feet wide. we are now told it is consistent with what you would find on a 777 made by boeing. let's bring up a model of the missing plane and talk about where you would find it on the plane. our aviation analysts say it would be on the back side of the
left wing. a controlling flaperon. it is the right type of piece to find. it is also the right color and in the right condition. it has barnacles all over it. it is consistent with being in the water for 500 days. we have to check out the identifiers. almost every part of the big aircraft has serial numbers on it like this seat cushion from a different plane. if they find the serial number on the part they just found and it matches the malaysia airline flight, that is a deal. they will have evidence of what happened to the plane. it doesn't answer the question of how it ended up where it did. remember all of the search areas for the plane were over the coast of australia over here. how did this get all the way over there some 2,300 miles or more away? that's where they have to look at the currents and see if ocean currents were strong enough to push it over there to reunion
island and give us maybe the first physical piece of what happened to the missing plane. >> fascinating. thanks tom foreman. we will follow this breaking news all morning on missing malaysia airline flight 370. the piece of debris found on reunion island. we have a reporter there with the latest developments. stay with us.
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australia and coordinating the efforts here are the french. it is a french island with roughly 800,000 people on it. a group of people found this piece of debris and reported it to police. let's take a look at how that unfolded. a possible crucial clue and major lead in the 17-month old mystery of missing malaysia airline flight mh-370. >> this is obviously a very significant development. it is the first real evidence that there is a possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. >> reporter: a piece >> reporter: a piece of debris possibly what appears to be part of a boeing 777. french authorities dispatched teams to reunion island to investigate the debris which washed up more than 2,300 miles
from the current search zone off the australian coast in the southern indian ocean. a group of people happened upon the wreckage during a beach cleanup. the debris bearing the mocking bb 670 that could help in the identification process. >> if it is indeed part of a 777, then we are pretty clear it would be then also part of mh370. >> reporter: flight mh370 vanished without a trace last year with 239 souls on board shortly after takeoff from kuala lumpur en route to beijing. the government declaring the missing plane an accident. everyone on board presumed dead. and just to give you an idea of what some of the poor