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confrontation. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we're following breaking news, the investigation into the plane part that washed up on a reunion island in the indian ocean. now new debris has been located remnants of a suitcase that washed ashore. police now say it's part of the investigation as officials try to determine if wreckage from flight 370 has finally been located. there are now growing indications that may in fact be the case. sources now telling cnn boeing investigators are confident the wing component call a flaperon is from a 777 set like the mh370 jet, from the number you see in the newspaper corresponds to one of the jet's components.
we're covering the breaking news and much more this hour with our correspondents in key locations, our experts guests, and our special analysts. first, let's go to our aviation correspondent richard quest, who begins our coverage with the latest. richard, what are you hearing? we now know pretty much it's part of a 777 flaperon, we don't know city if it's the mh 370 flaperon. we're waiting for that piece to be confirmed. it's being transported to paris over the next couple days where it will be looked at by the french investigators. just as soon as we thought this juan was being sorted out, now this real question about a suitcase. could this suitcase also have come from mh370? a piece of debris washed up on the western side of the indians ocean, now questionable whether it's from the missing plane. tonight sources tell cnn there's
mounting evidence that this debris washed ashore on a remote island in the indians ocean is a critical part of a boeing 777 wings, the same type of plane as the missing mh370 aircraft. >> it's the first real evidence that there is a possibility that part of the aircraft may have been found. it's too early to make that judgment, but clearly we are treating this as a major lead. >> while investigators still won't say officially if the 7 1/2-foot-long piece of wing, the first tangible clue in more than a year that this mystery is from the doomed flight. sources inside the investigates tells cnn, it just may be. this photo published on reunion island, appears to show a code painted on the inside of the debris. in the service manual, that code
number 657bb corresponds to the flaperon on the right wing of a 777. experts say that is the very part which is the same size and shape as the piece found washed ashore. it's the same part that's been found capable of floating, and tonight investigators are on the way to the remote island to take custody of the piece. sources say one thing they'll be looking at is the condition of the wing. >> it might tell whether the plane was banking left or right, and the impact, and dents may maybe clues to the investigators. >> investigators are also mapping where it was found, we believe approximately 2,300 miles from the area where australian search teams have been focusing. everyone's trying to see if they are searching in the right place, or if months of efforts
have been wasted. >> the months of currents from the expected area west of australia, sort of head right towards that region. and once it gets close to reunion island, the wave field around an island like that will carry it to the shore. >> reporter: cnn has learned that marine biologists are also analyzing photos of these barnacles on the debris. they're doing so to determine how long that piece may have been in the water, and where it may have been come from. all in all, there's no confirmed link with any of this to mh370, not yet, but the goal in the days ahead is to make that connection and help the families get some form of closure. >> there's no doubt, wolf, they will be able to identify quickly whether or not -- it's just a question of time, whether this flaperon is mh370 or not. the suitcase is much more challenging as to identify
whether that came from the missing plane. that's going to be a real job for them to do. there's the final question. is there more debris out there. that, of course, relies on the tio tides, the currents, and the time. >> richard, i want you to stand by. we have other information that's also coming in, but i quickly want to bring in our meteorologist jennifer grey. this debris washing up, as richard said, more than 2,000 miles from the flight 370 search area, could ocean currents actually have moved it that far? >> yeah, absolutely, wolf. you know, we were talking about these gyres, the north pacific gyre, but if we spin the world around, you can see the indians ocean gyre. this is the one that the debris would be flowing within, and you can see the counter clockwise motion that the indian ocean gyre is. we'll zoom in just a bit. you can see the search area and where all of this debris, rather has shown up, so it's very
complicated, because this is the general flow of this gyre, but within it there are very tiny eddys, very small currents, so things could actually drift within it for long periods of time, years even, the stronger currents on the outside, but look, all stand within the gyre. you can see these very, very small lines, some of them barely moving. so things can get washed and sloshed around this for a very long time. however, it is possible that somebody were to start on the australian coast and end up in africa. parent that's exactly the way it would from east to west, rather, and end up possibly eve the coast of africa. >> fascinating stuff. all right, jennifer. i want to get more insight. once again our aviation correspondent richard quest, along with former fbi assist tan director, and peter goelz also joining us, miles o'brien.
richard, quickly back to you. the debris appears to resemble the suit case you were talking about, how crucial potentially is this suitcase. >> if they can link it to mh370, it's just another piece of the -- it's not as significant in my view, as the flaperon, because it won't necessarily show you the same tear structures and same sort of waves and forces to put upon it, but it's another part in this mystery of aviation that gives closure, but we're a long way -- i think the suitcase, we are some way, and it will not be easy to prove this one. >> miles, once again i want to keep showing our viewers a picture of that suitcase. the condition could be significant in terms of determining what's going on, right? >> well, that's true, wolf. there have been some reports
that there was evidence in that suitcase perhaps that it had been burned. that would obviously be very significant, but if it can't be links in any definitive way to mh370 with a bag tag or some sort of identification, we can only assume it fell off a cruise ship or something like that. we shouldn't go down the road on this red herring just yet. however, it's time to be looking in that part of the world, doing some beach combing and seeing if there's other debris, for sure. >> if they do have a chance to look inside, really examine it, there's potentially going to be some information in in fact it came from that plane. >> first the most important is what miles pointed out. if there's any evidence of fire offer explosion or soot that's still there, that would be critical, but i think i agree with both richard and miles, this is a real long shot to tie this suitcase to the aircraft unless there's a definitive
piece of evidence inside. >> what's more intriguing, tom, is first you find what possibly is the flopperen, and a suitcase possibly from the plane. i assume they're going to be finding more stuff on this reunion island or not that far away if in fact both these initial pieces are indeed genuine. >> that's true. if it came from the plane, there would be more, more than likely, but star the suitcase itself, it doesn't have the obvious thing of luggage tags. they get inside of it, does it have a hairbrush? is it possible to still extract dna that could be matched to a passenger on that aircraft? that's still a possibility that would be evidentiary material links it directly to the flight. >> i'm sure forensic experts would have some clues, but it doesn't look like much. miles, the serial number, that's what they really want to find on
this flaperon, right? >> i would put it as a very high probability right now that this piece of mh370. after all there's not another 777 missing out there in the yandance ocean, but it's very important to dot is and cross ts for the families and everyone else, and to ensure this serial number does in fact match the aircraft. every part of that plane is cataloged, it just takes some paperwork. , and so it's just a matter of time. >> richard, on the flaperon, a real flaperon, the serial number is on a metal strip that's attached there. this particular flaperon it's gone, presumably destroyed. what does that spay? >> nothing really would could make a case to say it was ripped off as it went into the water, the impact, one could make an
argument for that, but it would just be sheer, unadult rated significance. much more significance is looking at the structuring of the flaperon. i'm with my colleagues on all of this. it's pretty heart to see how this doesn't come from mh370. i'll keep an open mind, but it's heading in that direction. really you're looking to see the nature of the barn acals, the strength of what was ripped off where and how. that will give them a lot of valuable information. i said this last night and sort of had to go around in circles, wolf, but it doesn't tell them any more about where the plane currently is. i can't keep emphasizing that. at the moment merely having the flaperon doesn't advance the search per se. >> that's why presumably they
are hoping to find more debris in the coming days, right? >> that's right. i think they're going to comb at the beaching along the reunion island, any adjoining atolls, and they're going to put some boats out to sea around reunion to see if there is anything else out there. they have to. this thing cannot stay unknown. >> assume, miles, there are teams of experts combing thor beaches on reunion, helicopters flying around. it's pretty remote, as you and i know, but it's obviously a potential source for good information. >> yeah, i think the more debris you find, the better, bud i want to take up a quick issue with mr. quest on this. i've been looking carefully at this damage all day today. if you look at the leading edge of that flaperon, it's almost perfect. it's not damaged whatsoever. the trailing edge, however, looks at paper that is torn. i've been talking to some engineers and mechanics about
this. they believe that is evidence that it was fluttering in the air, and fell apart from the aircraft at altitude during a high-speed dive, whereas if it had hit the water, there would be damage to the leading edge and wouldn't have that kind of tearing effect. that is crucial, because what that tells you is that it's probably very close to the so-called seventh arc. it didn't fly onward as a lot of people have suggested. so i think this this helps refine the search significantly. once the experts look at this damage, that might bear it off, that this fell off at altitude. >> what do you mean by that? >> the question has always been, did it glide for some dance past the so-called seventh arc, the last blip, if you will. in this case, if it was diving straight down, the data you get from immarsat.
>> what do you think? >> oh, i'm with miles on this, for most of what he says, except in one crucial respect. they're already looking in that part. they're already looking over the seventh arc. yes, miles, you're absolutely correct, the models in the update from the ntsb does have the plane looking at a 40-mile radius, all that sort of stuff. they're already there. what i wonder is, what does this tell you? if you're already looking in that place on the seventh arc, at the most likely destination, what more does that tell you? >> well, i think if you're a that -- i think in you're on that boat in the high seas, it makes you feel better about where you are. >> sure. >> tom? >> don't dismiss the luggage so
quickly. if that's a piece of luggage that was in a forward cargo hold and it was in the interior of the plane, that means the air inside that plane, if there was fire or chemicals inside the plane, the luggage might have evidence of that. that outer flaggeren will not have evidence of what was going on inside the air in that plane. >> we know that piece of luggage washed ashore recently, just the last day or so, so obviously potential significant. i want everybody to stand by. we're following the breaking news here. up next we'll go live to reunion island, where the debris washed ashore. cnn is there, as this dramatic new chapter unfolds in the search for mh370. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you?
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we're following the breaking news, but police say a suitcase is now officially part of the investigation into an airplane part discovered yesterday. sources telling cnn that boeing investigators are now confident the part is from a 777, let's go to our senior international correspondent nima elbagir. what are you finding out about this suitcase? >> reporter: authorities are including it as part of their broader investigation. they're describing it as appearing to resemble the
remnants of a suitcase. they don't want to give anyone any unfounded hope. it seems to give credence to this broader theory of a current pattern, a consistent current pattern that's bringing this debris from further afield, coming as it does the day after the plane del bride. what's been extraordinary as far as the investigators are concerned, is not only this debris made its way to shore also, so much of the crucial evidence surrounding this debris is still intact, it's not just the debris itself. it's also the barnacles, but the sea life that's on this. that's down to one man. we spoke to the man who found it, and while part of his colleagues had been starting to scrape much of it off, he actually told them to stop. >> translator: i thought perhas
it's from plane crash, so i said don't touch it anymore. if it's a plane crash, then people died, and you have to have respect for them. >> reporter: absolutely extraordinary that that was the first thing that came to his mind. because of him now investigators have much more to work with. they're hoping that that evidence will be making its way to toulouse, but we still don't have confirmation whether it's on its way to them or whether they're going to try to get here and see as much as they can here on the ground, wolf. >> nima, describe what's going on on the ground there. are there a lot of people looking for more wreckage, helicopters flying around, search off the coast? what's going on? >> well, so many people here are trying to take part in this. they really do hope that they can be part of some kind of closure for these families. the local people, police officials, some of the
intelligence services have been taking part in this. there have been a lot of low-flying flights by the helicopters services. really scanning the shore, hoping whatever the current was that brought those two initial floats of debris onto this beach, that it might bring more. they want to make sure they get to it as soon as possible, but this is a tiny little island in the middle of the indians ocean. the infrastructure really isn't there yet. that's a balances act. whether there is enough here now to pull into play a broader search, or whether they need to way and see what else they can find and risk losing time on this, wolf. >> nima, thanks very much. if you get more information, please share it with us. nima elbagir on reunion island for us. joining us is eric van sedeal. eric, thanks for joining us. what's your take on the new
debris that's been found? >> i would say it's very remarkable. if two pieces of debris actually end up on the same beach. the way the ocean currents work, they're very chaotic. yes there's a big-scale pattern going from east to west, but on top of that there's all the eddys and adviser tvortices. if you put two pieces of debris together, over a year they might have separated by miles. the windage on a flaperon will be different. they behave differently in the ocean. i think it had be extraordinary if two different pieces of debris that start their juny
stay so close together. >> if both of these pieces of debris are from flight 370, would that suggest to you there's more debris not to far away? >> well, if they both are, then maybe yes. apparently it might have been caught in what we call an eddy, and that eddy might have carried stuff coherently all the way across the ocean, but really our modeling theories say this is a very, very large debris field that we are looking at, and one of these debris ending up on a beach is certainly possible. two of them would be very remarkable. how hard will it be for investigators, eric to determine where this debris came from, what, 17 months or so since the crash. >> absolutely. what they said to do now is essentially reverse time. they want to have as best an understanding of the ocean currents over the last 1 1/2 years, and they basically want
to track back where you are 1 1/2 years ago if you end up in reunion island. again because of all this turbulence, this chaos, this is not something that you can just draw down one line. it's actually clouds, and it becomes bigger and bigger, over time the uncertainty really adds up, and you end up with a few hundred miles of uncertainty. eric van sebille, thank you. the families of the 239 people who vanished with flight 370, how are they reacting to they dramatic new develops? plus a closer look -- what clues might that debris hold to the fate of this missing plane? ♪
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number settled on it. a source close to cnn has said that boeing engineers have cruelty niced the photos add all of that to the fact that only one 777 has crashed in this area of the world and remains missing, and that is mh370. so the piece of the plane that investigators have. rene, don't go too far away.
reopening emotional wounds. we are in fact from china, and their relatives spent days before the -- it was assuming enough of the passengers survived. will ripley is on the scene for us from beijing with more on this sensitive part of the store. what's going on over there, will? >> reporter: the pain and frustration continues to mount here in bay engine, wolf, as the families still have yet to receive word. they have no assist tans, no official word, and a lot of mistrust as well, mistrust in the information, because they say there's been so many false hope, and now even if they say this is a piece of the plane, they still may not believe their families have not -- >> listen to the son of one of
the passengers. >> translator: lath night, everyone consonde each other. finally everyone thought there was no need to believe it. even as we find out this piece of debring -- there is no way to prove that our people were with that plane. even if this is confirmed debris a lot of passengers say they still will not have closure until they find that plane, until they find remains and find out what happened with the data recorders. let's not forget there were 239 people aboard that plane. an hour after taking off it went in the opposite direction. stand by. i want to bring back our law enforcement aviation experts, tom fuentes, former national
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flight 370, debris washed ashore today on a remote island off africa. it would be part of the investigation along with an apparent wing part that washed ashore on wednesday. we're back with tom fuentes, peter goelz, and cnn's aviation correspondent rene marsh. correct me if i'm wrong, they're very, very clog to making a definitive announcement that at least the wing flap part is from your -- >> i think they'll get it back to toulouse, take it apart. confirm that the internal rental station parts and probably make an announcement sometime tomorrow. >> you agree with that assessment. >> i would think so also. this component number, this is different from the serial number as we've been pointing out that they would like to find. the component numbers on all
1200 boeing 777s flying around that same number, the serial number, if they could kind that, that's unique to this flight 370? >> right. absolutely. so far we don't have any information that they do have a serial number. what we do know is that component number that we've seen images of that's what they have. i've been explaining this all day today. essentially what that is, imagine you go to a department store, you get -- and this component number essentially tells you this goes here on the aircraft. that's all it simply is. it's not identifiable, so that's why we hadn't heard definitively i'm going to guess, that this is indeed the aircraft. >> we are told inside that flaperon, there could be different serial numbers inside, that they have to take it apart to examine.
>> that's right. when we reconstructed twa flight 800 we had thousands of parts. we were able to put it back together because we had these internal numbers. we knew their ped i degree and the french will be able to do the same. >> you've been involved in a lot of these investigation, whether it's malaysia or australia, france, or the u.s., they're all working together right now. i assume they're all on the same page. >> normally, but we don't know how many people are involved specifically it could be a you will smaller group of boeing, the french investigatoring, malaysians, wouldn't necessarily require everybody in the world that has the still set to be involved. >> guys, stand by. don't go too far away as i like to say. coming up, the latest on the torn suitcase that washed ashore on the very same remote island. other news, onlookers
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stand by for new reporting on the malaysia airlines investigation. we're getting new information, but we're also following important developments in the murder case against the white police officers accused of murder in the shooting death 6 an unarmed african-american man. ray tensing wearing striped jail clothing, pleaded not guilty.
people in the courtroom applauded when the judge set a million dollar bond for his release. the shooting happened on july 19th during a routine traffic stop and was recorded by different video cameras. our former fbi stand director, and law enforcement analyst here is to walk us through. walk us through what happened in those moments. i'd like to start this, and stop it at key points, and then we'll run it all the way through at the end. a couple points. first of all, it's important you see this fence or rail that runs behind. as the officer is standing facing this car, this rail is behind him. that will become important later in this. okay. stop it. you hear the sound of the engine start, he reaches up, and you hear the whirring of the
ignition as the engine starts. it's been said by the prosecute owes and others that he shoots him first and then dubose goes forward, steps on the gas and that is when but as i've listened to this more closely with the sound amplified, what i heard is that the officer starts yelling "stop, stop, stop" as dubos accelerates. you'll hear the engine in the background going -- like the car accelerating. you'll hear the shot after the beginning of that sound. it's important. it's not he shot him first and then he fell forward and made the car go forward. then what you're going to see, right after that -- [ indistinct noise ] >> haven't figured out if you have a license. >> it's hard to hear but you hear the sound of the acceleration of the engine, the officer yelling "stop" before the shot is fired.
doing a terrible job of operating this today. what you're also going to see is this. i'll stop it now so i can explain it. the officer standing, facing this car. he reaches in to presumably try to get the ignition shut off or get control of the car. then what happens, the car is accelerating. his gun comes up. he does shoot dubos at the time. the acceleration of the vehicle has caused the officer -- you'll see the shaking start. you see he gets completely spun around. you won't actually see it, but he gets spun around so that his back is toward the car and he is facing directly to the guardrail behind him. and he actually ends up on his back first because you see the sky off his body cam. he gets knocked backward on to the ground, facing the other way. it's clear that the movement of the car did catch him and knock him down. >> go ahead and take your seattle off. stop! stop!
>> stand by for a moment, tom. i want to get more on what's going on. i want to bring in our cnn legal analyst, jeffrey toobin and sonny hostin in to this. let's take a closer look at the new body camera video released today, showing another responding officer running toward the scene. you can hear that officer, the arresting officer, the guy who shot this driver, saying he thought he was going to be run over by the car. listen to this. >> i thought he was going to run me over. >> are you okay? >> i'm good. >> so, sonny, after the incident, you're also hear iing tensing saying "thbd be a game changer". >> the problem is that he shoots before being run over, right? before allegedly being run over, before anything happens to him.
i think that's what will be the operative fact. the grand jury reviewed this videotape and these videotapes and indicted him for murder and involuntary manslaughter. the prosecutor made it very clear that after viewing it many, many, many times over, the prosecutor felt that this was a murder case. and so i think we can fast forward it and stop action it and give all of our analysis, but the grand jury has spoken. the prosecutor has spoken. as a former prosecutor myself, this looks to me like excessive force, like a murder case and i think that the jury will decide. >> what's your take, jeffrey? >> i just don't see where the threat to the officer was. i mean, that seems to be clearly a lie, that he thought the guy was going to run him over demonstr n, tewe don't have the dea pen
in this country for traffic stops. so even if it's true that he started the engine when they were having that conversation, that doesn't appear to remotely justify,ify,ify, you justify, you know, the shooting of the guy. >> and, quickly, sunny, tensing, this cop, was a university of cincinnati campus police officer. do they have the same kind of training as a city of cincinnati police officer might have? >> you know, i'm not clear on that. i reached out to mark o'mechlt ara yesterday, representing the dubose family. i haven't gotten an answer to that particular question yet. i think that's a question that's on many people's minds. we're talking about a university of cincinnati police officer. does that type of officer have the same training as an officer that we see sort of on the streets in our cities all over the country.
my understanding from mark, though, is that the university had some sort of agreement with the city of cincinnati that somehow they would share responsibility for patroling. because of this particular incident, wolf, that agreement is no longer in place. >> very quickly, tom fuentes? >> every state has a training board that dictates the minimum number of hours, firearms, law, sociology for every officer in the state that will be a sworn officer carrying a firearm. the bare minimum would have to be met whether you're a campus police officer, railroad police officer or regular police officer. >> we'll have more on this story coming up, guys. thank you. we're also following breaking news. suitcase washes ashore, becomes part of the investigation on reunion island. is it wreckage from the missing malays malaysian airliner and why boeing officials are confident that this is a component of a boeing.
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happening now, breaking news. cause of crash. cnn is learning about a u.s. intelligence assessment on why malaysian flight 370 went down. stay tuned for the details as one of the heaviest investigations ever heats up. whether a wing that wash add shore is actually from malaysia 370. new clue. another piece of debris that looks like a suitcase now is part of the mh-370 investigation. live on the remote island where rt wreckage was found. and facing a murder charge,
former university police officer enters a plea in the shooting death of a driver as yet another body cam video is released from their horrifying encounter. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> we're following breaking news. cnn has learned about a preliminary u.s. intelligence assessment about the mh-370 disaster. sources tell cnn it suggests that likely someone in the cockpit deliberately caused the aircraft to go off course before it vanished. this, as another potential piece of evidence in the flight 370 mystery is discovered on a remote island in the western indian ocean. we have new video of debris that looks like a wrecked suitcase. police say it's now being included in the plane investigation.
and tonight, investigators say they're treating a wing part found on the island as a major lead. we're told it will be transported to france tomorrow night. one official says investigators could know for certain within 48 hours whether the part actually came from the malaysian airliner that vanished well over a year ago. cnn is live on reunion island. a team of correspondents and analysts are covering this story and all the news that's breaking right now. but first, new information coming in to "the situation room." our justice reporter, evan ferez is joining us. what are you learning? >> the u.s. intelligence agency says someone in the cockpit of malaysian flight 370 deliberately directed the aircraft's movements before it disappeared. this assessment is based on satellite and other available evidence and analysts looked at possible -- multiple changes that the aircraft made after it deviated from its scheduled course to kuala lumpur to
beijing. someone in the cockpit deliberately moved it to pacific wave points toward the south indian ocean. this was an assessment done for internal government purposes and it's separate from the investigation that's being led by malaysian authorities. now the fbi and the ntsb have been assisting with that investigation and malaysian government report in march says that there's no proof of wrongdoing by the airplane's crew. here's what they said in march, wolf. they said there are no behavioral signs of social isolation, change in habits or interest, self neglect, drug or alcohol abuse by the captain, first officer and the cabin crew. the discovery of debris this week gives investigators hope that they can now find the wreckage and, more crucially, the black boxes. without that, investigators believe they won't likely be able to make any conclusions about what exactly happened on flight 370, wolf. what we expect to happen in the next few days, french authorities are going to examine
the pieces of debris that they have there. they're going to try to see if there are any signs of any explosions or anything that could give a clue as to what happened. >> this u.s. intelligence assessment that came up -- this was a while ago. >> right. >> it's just being reported by you right now for the first time. they basically said it wasn't some sort of mechanical failure, that someone in the cockpit, whether a pilot, co-pilot or someone who gained access to that cockpit deliberately took that plane. >> right. >> made that u-turn about an hour after it took off from kuala lumpur in malaysian, headed toward beijing in the opposite direction toward the indian ocean. and it was a deliberate move. it wasn't some sort of mechanical failure. >> that's right. absent any other evidence. they looked at everything. passenger manifest, law enforcement from every country represented on that aircraft, looked at the passenger manifest to see if there was any sign of perhaps terrorism or anything. they found nothing. they looked at the crew. they found nothing.
so, now what they're doing, wolf, is simply going back to, you know, the original theory, frankly. the only theory that could be, which is someone inside the cockpit made this plane deliberately go where it did. >> there's a different assessment from malaysian investigators as you point out. >> right. >> and you pointed out specifically, they said there were no behavioral signs of social isolation, change in habits or interest, self neglect, drug or alcohol abuse of the captain, first officer and the cabin crew. >> right. >> that was their conclusion. >> right, exactly. that only deepens the mystery as to exactly what happened here because there is no other evidence to suggest anything. again, this evidence is based on what they have available to them. again, we don't know. we don't have a wreckage to examine, which is typically how you determine what happened. you see if perhaps it was a catastrophic failure with the aircraft. there's nothing like that yet that they can look at. >> obviously, they would love to get the cockpit flight data recorder, if they could find that. that would be a huge, huge
potential. >> right. >> bonanza of information. >> right. >> very interesting. u.s. intelligence agencies suggest it was someone in the cockpit who deliberately caused that plane to go down. >> that's right. >> we'll get more on this. stand by, evan. good reporting. >> thanks. >> for us. let's also check out some of the new clues in the mh-370 mystery. the debris that washed ashore, including that torn suitcase that's officially now part of the overall investigation. let's bring in renee marsh working this part of the story. >> behind the scenes, confidence is growing tonight. they may have their first tangible clue to unraveling this aviation mystery. they have to get their eyes on the part before they're 100% sure. tonight, it's not a matter of if, but when u.s. officials will also launch to get a closer look. tonight, as investigators make their way to the remote island where the debris was found,
sources say there is a growing feeling this 7 1/2 foot chunk of metal is from mh-370, one source telling cnn boeing engineers have scrutinized debris like these. the flapperon, the back edge of the wing that helps pilots control the plane at lower speeds. sources say one reason why boeing may be confident is in this photo. published by a news website on the island, it appears to show the debris with an airplane component number stencilled on it. >> the reason it's a big deal that a component number was found is because you can trace that to either assembly at boeing, perhaps, or at the supplier that built that particular part. >> reporter: images posted online of an internal boeing 777 maintenance manual also shows a key section of the aircraft wing and the same component number seen in this photo. 657-bb. >> the french authorities are
working with the malaysian authorities and us to do this as quickly as possible. and we are hoping that something can be done in the next 24 to 48 hours. >> while authorities remain unwilling to say definitively if the debris is from mh-370, sources say behind the scenes lodge silk quickly leading investigators to that conclusion. mh-370, the doomed flight that vanished en route to beijing in march 2014, with 239 people on board. sources tell cnn the investigation is now back in high gear, withste scientists dg everything. how long it's been in the water and how long it's been in the ocean. >> substantial barn alcoholles
on the wing of the plane, which indicates that debris was floating in the ocean for a period of about a year. >> reporter: a lot of questions have been raised about whether investigators could learn anything substantial from this debris if it does belong to mh-370. i spoke to a former boeing accident investigator who says they will analyze the damage, specifically how the attachments broke. that could tell investigators if the flaps were down or were they up. if they were down, that could mean the plane was slowing or preparing to land. wolf, it's a piece of a puzzle but it certainly does not crack the case wide open. >> certainly doesn't. but it does bring some clues. renee, thanks very much. i want to bring in our team of experts, aviation correspondent richard quest, our aviation analysts, miles o'brien and peter goulds, tom fuentes and clive irving. let's get everyone's reaction to
the news that evan perez is reporting this preliminary assessment by u.s. intelligence agencies produced in the aftermath of the mh-370 disaster suggesting -- remember, this is a u.s. intelligence assessment, that it was likely someone in the cockpit deliberately caused the aircraft's movements before the plane disappeared. richard, you studied this. you're writing a book on this story. what do you make of this u.s. intelligence analysis? >> i'm absolutely not surprised because in the cold light of day, every single fact points to that assessment being correct. wolf, the transponder gets switched off. the acars gets disabled. the prime minister describes the movements as being deliberate. remember, the plane goes up. it goes round. it comes back. it flies over malaysia. you can see an example of it now. it then flies back over the country and then it goes up the straits of malaca and around.
everything about it points to somebody having done something nefarious in the cockpit. when you look at this assessment, you can see exactly how and why they've come to that conclusion. >> miles o'brien, what do you think? >> wolf, i'm just going to tell you, there's no doubt in my mind that this is a deliberate act. the question is who and why. and those are beyond my capability. as a guy who knows a little something about aviation, this is something that had to be done deliberately. >> it wouldn't have been easy, peter goulds, for one individual to turn off the transponder, turn off all that equipment and do this, right? that's pretty complicated. >> not if you're the pilot or if you're familiar with the cockpit and you have disabled the other crew member in the cockpit. i'm with miles and with richard.
a human being had to direct this plane. there were too many twists and turns to its flight path. >> basically, peter, you're saying it wasn't a mcal failure or anything like that? this was a deliberate act by someone or some people in that cockpit to take that plane down, whether it was pilot suicide, co-pilot suicide. somebody else wanted to take that plane down for whatever reason? >> i think that's the only conclusion you can come to at this point. there's a lot of discussion about a fire in the e & eba bay. the electronics bay. it doesn't explain the performance of the plane as to what happened in terms of its identification in the transponder and acars. >> are you surprised by that assessment that someone deliberately put that plane in the water? >> i'm not surprised. i would like to see more evidence before we call one of the two pilots a mass murderer. i think that's the problem i have. we can't prove or disprove
whether it was hijacked. we can't prove or disprove exactly what happened or the condition of that aircraft. >> we're not saying it was the pilot or co-pilot or any of the crew. someone had access to that cockpit. it could have been a passenger or someone else. they're not concluding it was the pilot or co-pilot. they're saying someone in the cockpit deliberately caused the aircraft movements. clive irving, what's your analysis? >> the fbi cleared the crew of any background -- any likelihood of psychologic disturbance or malicious act. i think the extension of this mystery is that if this is true -- i still think it's a rush to judgment to come to these conclusions. there are possible other connections that have additional story connected to a mechanical problem. but the mystery at the end of this, if this was so and we've had no declaration of intent, no
motivation shown. so that deepens the mystery. if this is so, it doesn't explain why anyone doing that would end up with the plane flying for six hours with apparently no human intervention at all. it's just another accumulation of the many mysteries to this. i'm very glad that at least we've got some single piece of physical evidence that will lead us to perhaps slow down on fears of this kind until the inspectors -- the investigators do have tangible evidence that they can work through. i think we should cool down on these conspiracy theories. none of them has any person attached to them at the moment. there's no plausible person attached to them. malaysian police conducting the investigation. if they found anything there, we would know that and they haven't. >> i want everybody to stand by. richard quest, stand by. we'll get back to you in a moment. we have much more on the breaking news. evan perez, our justice reporter, letting us know this
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we're back with our aviation experts. cnn has learned u.s. intelligence assessment suggests someone in the mh-370 cockpit deliberately caused the airline to go off course. torn sue suitcases along with a wing part that also washed ashore on a remote island. senior international correspondent is joining us live now from reunion island, e pichltcenter of the mh-370
investigation. up date us on the very latest, emma. >> reporter: the focal point in reunion, wolf, is about this latest debris that's washed ashore, what officials are calling what appears to re resembles a suitcase. they don't even want to call it a suitcase. they don't want to give false hope to the families of the passengers that disappeared in mh-370. joined by that wing section that washed ashore the previous day. and they're hoping to get that to the south of france, french investigators and boeing investigators. we still haven't confirmed that it has left the island. that's because at the moment investigators are weighing out whether it's better for them to be here, to see the site for themselves, where this debris is washing ashore and whether any more will come up on these beaches. but, of course, time is ticking
as families are waiting to hear any news that could finally bring them some closure, wolf. >> right now we'll get back to you. stand by. nima elbagir is live for us on reunion island. how significant are these two pieces of debris, clive irving, that have just been found? >> it's important to see we have two search areas and not one. the original one 1,000 miles to the west of australia, where they're doing the deep sea search and now this one. it's a question of resources, wolf, coming up now. resources have been stripped away from the deep sea search, malaysians one of the three ships conducting that. now we need a serious search of -- by air and by water to see if there's any more debris here. these two pieces, so far, are very significant. it's very unlikely that they were the only pieces to travel that distance and in that direction. when the debris is first found after the heavy part of the plane sinks and the floating debris floats it's normally a
cluster. with all the currents and forces at work in those stormy seas, there would be some dispersal. i would think it's highly improbable bouyant parts of this aircraft that of those parts only one major part would wash up. and i think they're doing a reverse engineering job at looking from reunion back in the easterly direction to see that track. they can, then, i think be useful in guiding a search. but i think there's a serious resource problem here. people have to get serious about renewing the energy behind this search, both in that place and back in the original. >> richard quest and miles o'brien. richard, first to you. >> i don't think there's any lack of commitment in terms of the search area off australia. the ships that have been removed, yes, go phoenix has been removed and a couple of
other ships have been taken off for the course of the winter because conditions are so appalling. they have to find a very clear goal, which is 120,000 square kilometers. to that extent, as i understand it, there's no wavering by the australians in the commitment to search that area fully and properly. in terms of searching further reunion, madagascar, east coast of africa, one can certainly make an argument for searching for further debris, it's a vast area over many months and i'm not sure -- we saw in the original search for debris how difficult it was. this far gone, i'm not sure you wouldn't just be spending a great deal of time, money and effort to very little results. >> what about that, miles o'brien? >> i think they have to look, though, wolf. they just have to do it. we know that there's debris there now. at the very latest, they have to do some beach combing and let's launch some aircraft and get some eyes on targets there. it's quite likely that there are
other floating pieces of debris in the ocean and it's also likely that they're in the same vicinity. why not start with that, as a starting point and begin a search in that area to see if there's further debris? the debris can tell us a lot. >> is it more important, peter goelz, to maintain that search in that area, huge area closer to australia or to take those resources and move them closer to the other side of the indian ocean near reunion island? >> i certainly would not pull the resources out of the deep underwater search. that's where the critical information lies. you've got to find the body of wreckage. the only way you're going to do that is concentrating off australia. i'm with miles. you have to send some planes up. you've got to take a walk along the beaches. you've got to search but the resources can't be pulled off the critical deep sea search. >> stand by. we're following breaking news, especially our latest
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assessment suggests its likely that someone in the mh-370 cockpit deliberately caused the aircraft to go off course before it vanished. richard quest, you've seen this reporting from our evan perez. there's been some debate going on, whether this was a deliberate decision by someone in the cockpit, somebody in the crew or someone who gained access to the cockpit to make that plane vanish or the other conclusion is there could have been some sort of mechanical failure. where exactly in all of your reporting over these past 15, 16 months do you so it rigee it ri? >> i still see it on the mechanical side, wolf. i'm still on that side. i'm still not prepared to say it was the pilots because there's no evidence. i'm still not prepared to say it was a hijack or terrorist because there's absolutely no evidence of it. i can see fully how the u.s. assessment comes to the conclusion. if you do look at the raw facts
of the way the plane turned, what happened, this, that and the other, yep, you can put one and one together and i suggest you come up with three. i do not believe at this point you can say. and i know i'm in a minority on this. and i'm comfortable being in that minority but i still go on the mechanical side. >> what about you, miles o'brien? >> we're talking about it disappearing from radar, all the communications ceasing. this mysterious turn and then flying for six-plus hours. what mechanical scenario would cause that to happen, richard? >> you know, i can go -- miles knows as well as i do the variety of mechanical scenarios out there, everything from incident in the e & e bay. the radio coms. >> you're talking about those magical fires that take out the communication and the
transponder, making it impossible for them to talk yet the plane is able to fly on for six hours t doesn't make sense, richard. it doesn't. it looks like it's a deliberate act. >> you don't have a shred of evidence to pin this on anybody. >> i am not pinning it on anyone. i'm just telling you what you're seeing there is the work of a humid hand. beyond that, i can't say anything more. >> hold on for a minute. i want peter goelz to weigh in. you've done a lot of investigations. mechanical or human? >> i come down on the side of human intervention. unless it comes out, something like what they used to call a goldberg contraption that explains it mechanically. the actions of the aircraft, actions that turn off the communications device point toward human intervention. i don't know who, but i think that's where i come down. >> tom fuentes?
>> i'm open on the question. radar at the time that it made that horseshoe up and around indonesia is not based on factually seeing it but that the fact indonesia says they didn't see it so it must have done that. whether it's the pilot or co-pilot, malaysian airlines assign their flights different every time. they would go to perth nonstop, sydney nonstop and could wait for one of those flights and deviate to the east and west in this case and put it in the ocean if they wanted to. i don't see why on the beijing, make a u-turn, fly around indonesia, going up, going down. when we know the radar is either inaccurate or nonfunctioning. >> clive irving, what about you? >> i think it was a cascade of events which overcame the pilots. they struggled valeiantly and were overcome by what went wrong. trouble is, there are various
scenarios. it's an interesting argument we're having here. i think we're still too apt to rush to judgment and at the moment, we must keep reminding ourselves that the purpose of an investigation is to find -- ultimately find out what went wrong. we're nowhere near that point yet. i would also add that the real purpose in an investigation is whether something happened to this plane that had never happened to a 777 before and might happen to another 777 again. we've got another serious motivation over and above what the mechanical questions, what the security questions are. in the end we must be able to get the evidence together to make a inclusive and dissuasive argument. it will take time. >> there were about 1,200 boeing 777 flying around the world right now. there were 239 people on that plane. we'll continue to follow this story.
another story developing right now, donald trump is teeing up by the first presidential debate by visiting a golf course in scotland. gop candidates face off. new poll showing trump is actually strengthening his lead over his closest rivals, but his negative rivals are also climbing. chief congressional correspondent dana bash reports. >> reporter: one week before the first republican presidential debate, the gop front-runner landed his helicopter at his golf course in scotland. he is in europe for the women's british open, taking place at his turnbury trump golf course. >> the world is going to be here. i have a big stake in this land. >> reporter: newest investment in his own campaign is paying dividends. another new national poll shows him with a significant lead in the republican presidential race. 20%, with wisconsin governor scott walker trailing at 13% and
jeb bush at just 10%. half of trump's support. one gop candidate called the reason for trump's rise simple. outsized attention. >> you can fill out your tax code on one page, 14.5%. if i had a billion dollars worth of advertising and every network going gaga over that, i think we could get ours to rise also. there's going to be time for that. i think this is a temporary sort of loss of sanity. >> reporter: but it isn't all good news for trump. he also has the worst favorability rating of any candidate in either party. and the bombastic billionaire tops the list of candidates gop voters say they would never vote for. zblv hates us all over the world. >> reporter: early state polls are the best test in the primary season, national polls will determine which 10 of the 17 candidates can participate in next week's first debate. according to cnn's poll of polls
on the stage most certainly will be donald trump, jeb bush, scott walker and senators rand paul and marco rubio. likely to make the cut, neurosurgeon ben carson, ted cruz and governor mike huckabee. that leaves just two more slots for the next three candidates. governor chris christie, john kasich and former governor rick perry. with trump on the stage it will be must see tv. >> i'm not a debater. i get things done, this, whatever. build, i create jobs. that's what i do. i'm a big job producer, i do beautiful work. >> trump was true to form talking about his beautiful work as a builder. the way he is lowering expectations, though, wolf for next week's debate is oddly uncharacteristic, especially since he is playing the expectations game as politicians do. remember, he says he's different. not like the other politicians. wolf? >> certainly is. dana, good report. thanks very much. just ahead, new body camera
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charges in the shooting death of a driver. we're following all the new developments in this case, including another body cam video that's been released. cnn's jason carroll is joining us from cincinnati. he is on the scene for us live. what's the latest, jason? >> well, wolf, today three body cam videos have been released so far. so far, none of them show tensing being dragged by dubose's car. despite what his attorney says, to them, what happened out here is very clear, his family says. >> the bond will be $1 million any way. ladies and gentlemen, this is a courtroom. you will conduct yourselves at all times appropriately. >> judge megan shanahan, admonishing the court, as observers cheered after setting former university of cincinnati police officer ray tensing's bail at $1 million. >> what is the plea?
>> not guilt. >> i charges, murder and von taer manslaughter for 33-year-old samuel debose during a routine traffic stop that turned deadly. >> go ahead and take your seat belt off. >> i didn't do nothing. >> go ahead and take your seat belt off. stop. stop! >> good afternoon. >> prosecutor joe deters called the shooting senseless, saying tensing had no business being an officer. >> this is the most assinine act i've ever seen a police officer make. totally unwarranted. >> video from tensing's body camera shows him pulling debose over for a missing front license plate. >> that's got to go where the front plate is supposed to go. >> reporter: tension elevates as he repeatedly asked for his driver's license, which he does not have. >> i'm going to ask you, do you have your license? >> i don't have my license. >> he was driving with a suspended license.
on sxrat body cameras attached to two other university officers on the scene, tensing repeatedly explained why he shot dubose of. >> he was dragging me. >> i saw that. >> i thought i was going to get run over. >> tensing's attorney says his client feared for his life. >> he said he was dragged. i think that's accurate and i think that video bears that out. >> the prosecutor dispute's tensing's claim. >> this doesn't happen in the united states. he was simply slowly rolling away. that's all he did. >> as does dubose's sister. >> there's not a camera angle that's not going to show sam not putting his hands up and saying, what are you doing? go ahead. i would ask his attorney to go ahead and get those angles and show me the angles that show where my brother did not basically beg for his life. >> and dubose's family says any
other officer who corroborated tensing's story should also be held accountable. i can tell you, wolf, today we were told two university police officers are now on paid administrative leave, pending an outcome of an investigation. wolf? >> jason carroll, thanks very much. i want to bring in our legal analyst jeffrey toobin, our other legal analyst, sunny hostin, and tom fuentes. your analysis of what we just heard. >> i think to say that the other officers lied, first of all, because i could see on that particular stop an officer coming up behind to back him up and seeing dubose speed away. and the officer, tensing, spin around, end up on his back, on the street. and then when he sits up, he's facing away from where that car has been. that's a pretty clear indication that at least -- he shouldn't have had his arm inside the car. i'll agree with that. he shouldn't have shot him in the head. i'll agree with that. he did put himself in the position to get heard, when the
car sped way, it knocked him down. i think someone coming up from behind seeing that could certainly say, yeah, i saw that. yeah, i saw that's what happened to you. >> sunny as you know, mark o'meara is the attorney represents the family of the dead driver and he said he didn't think the police officer tensing, quote, got up that morning and decided that he would kill a black guy but believed that he made a, quote -- in his words negative instantaneous decision about shooting debose. your take? >> i'm reluctant to try to determine or to say what was in this officer's mind. i don't think we know that. but i think that the video speaks for itself, quite frankly. i mean, i think it's clear. i've seen it a dozen times at least. and i think it's very clear that he shot this unarmed motorist before the car was moving. i mean that in and of itself is
a purposeful killing. i don't see self-defense. i don't see the threat. and it seems to me that his statements directly afterwards were false and that he tried to cover up this purposeful shooting. and that's what he has been charged with. >> not only that, jeffrey, the prosecutor said that tensing, the police officer, quote, should never have been a police officer. he called the shooting assinine and senseless. >> i don't know what in his background makes him say he should never have been a police officer but i can sign on with asinine. we don't shoot people in this country over missing license plates. that's the big picture here, i think, which is you do not shoot
people over missing license plates. what his state of mind was, was it purposeful? was it negligent? was it manslaughter? was it murder? i don't know. asinine, it sure was. >> stop someone for not having a license plate on the front of the car. >> let's stop there, wolf. when the prosecutor says that was a chicken crap stop, i think is the term he used, let's look back to the oklahoma city bombing. that's why timothy mcveigh was stopped by a police officer on the street and later they determined he had just committed the bombing and killing of almost 200 people in oklahoma. if that's a violation of the law, not having the license plates clearly displayed a uniform patrol officer can make that stop and you shouldn't refer to it that way. police officers make those stops all the -- >> you have the license plate on the back but not the front of the car. >> at least he's looking into what's the story with that license plate? i think to refer to a bad license plate or not having a license plate displayed because i think he opens the glove box
and says it's in here. >> let's say he was trying to drive away. what should the police officer have done? >> i agree, let him go. you have no business to reach in and stop the car. >> call for backup and say -- >> sounded like he had backup close behind him. jeffrey is right, he should have let him drive away. he had no business shooting him. that's no question. >> even if he drives away, you don't chase him. we have lots of people injured and killed in these chases over very minor shooting, chasing -- >> breaking news on the fate of the guy called g eed jihadi joh. stand by for new information. and i'm a box re, who thrives on the unexpected. ha-ha! shall we dine? [ chuckle ] you wouldn't expect an insurance company to show you their rates and their competitors' rates,
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executioner of isis responsible for such violence, death and misery around the world having killed several western and japanese hostages tonight, two u.s. officials tell me there are recent blips, that's the word one of them used, about a potential location for jihadi john. he has not been seen in any of these videos for some months. now they have some information about where he might be hiding inside syria. the best guess right now, somewhere in and around raqqa in northern syria. why has he been hiding out? why hasn't he been seen? will he emerge again? u.s. officials, intelligence looking at this question very carefully. they believe theit's too hot ou for them after all of this, knowing the coalition is coming after him. no indication that this recent blip of information was enough time, date and place for
coalition to launch an air strike. every piece of information adds up. tonight, we are very aware. hostage families watching for any clue, any bit of information that the u.s. might be able to get jihadi john. no indication they are there yet. but they are adding up the information, the intelligence that they are getting. >> good reporting, barbara. thanks very much. i want to bring in peter bergen. he is clearly on the u.s. hit list. right? >> yeah, of course. i mean, the united states did launch a raid on july 3 of 2014 to try and rescue the hostages. of course, they were being held by jihadi john and others. unfortunately, the intelligence was dated. we have -- they have had information about his likely location. that was also, as barbara reported, near raqqa. it's not surprising that this new information puts him close to there. >> if the u.s. had good information, they knew precisely where he was, they would launch a drone or an f-16 and fire some
sort of missile and try to kill him. >> well, they have launched thousands of strikes so far or lesser targets. so yes. >> let's talk about omar. we have learned that he is obviously dead. maybe for the last two years. someone else is now emerging as the new taliban leader. is that right? >> yeah. mansur is a senior member of the movement. i doubt he will have the same kind of -- it's a big claim. it says i'm the leader of all muslims everywhere, i think as it hard for him to make that claim. >> i know that tonight this amazing series on cnn, an original series, the '70s features the terrorism that did take place throughout the 1970s, including the olympic game massacre when the israelis were slaughtered by palestinian terrorists at that time. you are part of the series. tell us about it. >> you know, i think -- we think
we live in the age of terrorism. the 1970s were the golden age of terrorism. hijackings have virtually disappeared. they launched dozens of attacks. the black panthers, puerto rican nationalists doing bombings on aa routine basis. that's part of the story in the show. >> it's an amazing show. i assume you have seen it, because from what i have seen, really brings back so graphically and powerfully what was going on in the '70s as far as terrorism. >> absolutely. >> thanks very much for that. thanks for all your help. the rise of international terrorism, that's the focus of "the "the "t "the '70s" at 9:00 p.m. eastern.
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