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"outfront." "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks very much for joining us tonight. the world's two nuclear super powers over syria. the united states and russia have been bombing targets fighting two different wars apparently pursuing very different agendas. russia has already been flexing military muscles. today there something new, a sign of how uncomfortably close these different fighting forces appear to be to one another, not just elbow to elbow, eyeball to eyeball, american and russian war planes. barbara starr is monitoring developments tonight from the pentagon. barbara, what happened? >> there were two u.s. air forces f-16s coming out of turkey over eastern syria trying to strike an isis target when russian aircraft came within 20 miles of them under the new rules the u.s. has, the u.s. pilots broke off and left the area. the rules now are that if the
russians come within the 20-mile limit, the u.s. backs off. not that they think the russians will shoot them down but the russians are aggressive flyers. they are uncertain. the u.s. doesn't want to have any mistakes happen and certainly, not until both sides reach that technical agreement on how they will both fly in the skies over syria but keep themselves safe. >> and i understand they have also launched naval strikes in the sea. >> absolutely. the u.s. noticed ships moving into the southern caspian launching two dozen highly precise missiles in a naval bombardment of targets in western syria. again, what this is under scoring the u.s. says is the overwhelming majority of the targets that the russians are hitting now from the sea and from the air are in fact not isis targets but are anti regime targets, people trying to get rid of bashar al-assad and the
russians trying to keep assad in power. >> barbara starr, appreciate it. thank you. >> sure. troubling developments back here in the united states just six days until the cnn democratic debate in las vegas and polling on how well hillary clinton stands up to the competition. on the republican side, the same polling has a fresh take whether donald trump's lead is holding up and sobering news for jeb bush from voters in his home state. john king here breaking it down by the numbers. john, let's look at the polls in the lead on the republican side, donald trump is but there are warning signs, i understand. >> there are warning signs but let's look. this is a poll of battle ground states. remember, iowa and new hampshire come first and south carolina and nevada. these numbers will change. at the moment people are asking is trump holding onto the lead. if you take this long view, leading in florida and ohio and pennsylvania. they don't vote for a long time and if you look at the florida numbers, marco rubio sitting united states senator third
place, jeb bush former two-material governor fourth place in florida. trump has bragging rights with florida. ohio, no republican ever won the white house in modern times without winning it. that's the sitting governor down there in third place, kay and i can also in pennsylvania, again, they don't vote for awhile but trump has staying power in the race at the moment. here are the warning signs, though, in each of the states, 3 in 10 republicans, 29%, 29% and 31% say they would definitely under no circumstances support donald trump. harder to grow support. these people say they would never support him. hard for trump to grow. why? anderson, look, he's under water with favorable, unfavorable in all of these states, 57% of florida, 58% in ohio and 56% in virginia view him unfavorably. 54% in the each of three battle ground states so no. it could matter. they definitely matter come the
general election, florida, ohio, and pennsylvania and trump in the race for awhile and his numbers, bruised up like a politician. >> let's look at the democratic side. >> on the democratic side if you look at the numbers, hillary clinton, florida, ohio and pennsylvania could be critical in the democratic primary, always critical in the general election and not as bad as trump, she is under water, majority in all of these states as high as 56 and ohio view hillary clinton unfavbly. that's not good news. this is the biggest trouble mark. you're the moderator and critical for hillary clinton. she heads into the debate to prove to democrats she's better than bernie sanders and changing niece numbers with all voters. 6 in 10 voters in all battle ground states, hard to win the white house without two of three say hillary clinton is not honest and trustworthy. this is a huge challenge to try to start to change the numbers but as much as we say she has weaknesses, anderson, this is a strength for hillary clinton. remember, 3 in 10 republicans
said under no circumstances would they vote for donald trump. hillary clinton's numbers are lower. 13% in florida, 14%, 18% in pennsylvania meaning if she is the democratic nominee, she'll have an easier time than donald trump would for example as the republican nominee. >> there is a big question about vice president joe biden. if he's looking at polls now, very good news for him. >> there is bright shining rights if you're joe biden studying the race. look at the numbers. trump and clinton were under water. joe biden is above water when you ask voters do you view him favorably or unfavorable. 55%, 47%, 52%. is he unfavorable, good numbers. 71% say yes in florida 64% in pennsylvania compare that to hillary clinton, people don't think she's honest and they think joe biden is. does joe biden care about the needs and problems of people like me? on this empathy question, joe biden's numbers are off the
charts. he can look at the numbers, fav the new car on the lot now. if joe biden gets into the race, takes a few laps, he'll probably get bruised up, too. >> thanks for looking at the numbers. donald trump always has plenty to say about his poll numbers and former candidates and not exactly shy as you know. no exception today in iowa. he said he's not just a gop flash in the pan like other front runners including one born in the town where he was trying to win support. here is what he said about former congresswoman michelle ba bachmann and more. >> he knows trump. you know. you got the same mentality, right? i watched one of the politicians yesterday, he's at one, no chance. i think he's gone down to zero. would you get out? absolutely not. we're in it to the end. you know he's going to cancel
out next week. they used to say michelle bachmann nice woman. they were there for a week. you know about michelle bachmann. they say they were there but for a week. we've been there for three months, more than three months. you could see jeb was very disturbed but went up to him, what do you think of marco rubio? i would have said horrible things. [ laughter ] >> that sounded like -- right? but i saw jeb and he said, i love marco. he's a great guy. he's my friend, he's my dear, dear friend, i'm so happy he's in the race. he's seething underneath and that i had say marco, what do you think of jeb? he said jeb is my dear, dear friend. and i said to myself this is political speak. that's why we're not getting anywhere, folks. >> let's bring in paul begala and former regan white house
supporter and paul is the opposite, co-chairs hillary clinton super pact. >> i'm big for trump. >> true, in a different way. long-timed advisor. as much as these numbers show hillary clinton doing well, i mean, you got to want him to get in, don't you? or do you not? >> you know, i've known him a very, very long time and i especially with everybody give him enough time and space. if my brother runs, my brother is a republican -- >> do you think it would make her a better candidate if joe biden enters? >> yes and i'm not trying to squeeze hill into tm into the r. they ran against each other the last time and produced a democratic victory and made barack obama a better candidate and joe biden and hillary clinton better. a tough primary produces a tough nominee. not that i'm trying to urge him to run. he needs to take the time and
make the decision best for his family but he could do a lot of good. he might win for goodness sakes, i don't think he does. i think hilary will win but he could do good for his party. >> there was trump mania and favor pitch in august. do you see people starting to maybe doubt him or tiring of sort of the stick? i mean, he's leading nationally. no doubt about it. he's leading three key states, over and over again he is in the lead, but -- well over jeb bush, well over marco rubio in the home state of florida. do you see anything that worries you as a supporter? >> no, no, he's going to sail on here. the difference between donald trump now and hermann cane and michelle bachmann, those are great people. i met them both. they are somewhat personality
driven? this is about a cause. this isn't about donald trump pem pemply. people are angry out there and upset. they want change. they are looking to donald trump as somebody that they see as a serious change agent and that's a big deal here. that is not going away as these polls in these three swing states indicate. >> i got to put on my glasses to see if paul is smiles because i don't think he is. there he is. he broke out. paul, do you think he's a serious change agent and this is a movement or personality based? >> both. he is right. in fact, this is what i thought about. we are very close to trump having the same problem that hilary had which is everybody expects him to run the table. hilary will not win every primary and caucus nor should she have to. trump no republican has won both iowa and new hampshire. trump is leading in a commanding way in both. now we see he's leading in
florida, ohio, pennsylvania. the governor of florida, jeb bush two-term governor would catch up to donald trump. jeffrey, as a guy that wants to see trump as a republican nominee. >> i know you do. >> i do. you may see the commentary set the bar too high for mr. trump. >> the same way for hilary. >> we got to leave it there -- >> one of the things -- >> briefly, jeff. >> well, paul is right about how a primary sharpens candidates and donald trump is a better candidate today because of all this competition so that's a good thing, not a bad thing. >> jeffrey lord appreciate you and paul b. also, ben carson says he knows what he would do when faced with a mass shooter. his advice is drawing criticism. is it insensitive or not?
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. hey, welcome back, we got breaking news on the oregon shooter background that could say his mental state. dr. ben carson weighing in on the question everyone asked in the wake of a tragedy like this. how would i react? >> i would not just stand there and let him shoot me. i would say hey, guys, everybody attack him. he may shoot me but he can't get us all. >> dr. ben carson, by yesterday everyone he was defending his remarks on megyn kelly and again this morning denying he was being insensitive to the victims who found themselves facing a killer armed with handguns and
ar-15 style rifle. dr. carson also facing criticism for a facebook q and a session which he said about treating gunshot wound victims. i never saw a body with bullet holes more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves a way. push back from his campaign and i spoke with a carson friend and spokesperson armstrong williams. mr. williams, does dr. carson regret in any way saying quote i would not just stand there and let him shoot me? >> no, you know, a part of who dr. carson is, anderson, is that you've seen these situations so many times and no matter how many times you talk about gun legislation, stopping this violence as the president stated, it seems that it's routine in this country now and you've got to think that you could be in the path of these terrorists and you've got to think about how to react and what to do and what dr. carson was saying is that he would be
willing to put his life on the line in danger, willing to take a bullet to make sure that more people were not part of the carnage. there is nothing to regret. i think most people can relate to that. >> but how does he actually know how he would react? lindsey graham pointed out that unless one has actually been in a situation where shots were being fired, you really have no idea how you would react. has dr. carson been in a situation near gunfire? >> that's a fascinating question. i know you've been in the line of fire. you know, i think that is the question. you know, i had a situation early on in washington d.c. when i was with my brother and some friends and we were walking in the dark over near connecticut avenue in washington d.c. and you heard somebody screaming for their life. you could tell they were being beaten and attacked and without hesitation, anderson, i zoomed around the corner and found myself in the melee. they were trying to cut this guy's hands off and had i not
intervened, this guy would have been killed. my brother with me at the time who is now a state senator and my friends thought i lost my mind. none of us know how we will react in a situation like, especially for a total stranger but dr. carson feels in those circumstances, that would be his reaction. >> do you see, though, how some people might find it or make believe that in someway he was criticizing the victims who were not able to fight back, who didn't fight back or hid under their desk who ended up being killed? >> in no way. if anyone knows dr. carson and watched him and read him and know what he spent most of his life doing, that's the last thing anyone could ever imagine that dr. carson would be so heartless he could not even sympathize and understand not everyone has the capacity to act like a dr. carson in that kind of situation. >> you say to act like a dr.
carson. we have no idea how dr. carson would act because as far as you know, he's never been in any situation like this. >> in my 20 years of knowing him when i was watching his statements, the first thing that crossed my mind, yeah, he's the giant of guy that would put his life and everybody else with him in jeopardy to save lives. that's the dr. carson that i've known for all these years. >> there was a gentleman who did attempt to do something, got shot seven times for it, and dr. carson was asked about him this morning on the cbs "morning show" and he didn't know the guy's name. his name is chris mintz. he was an iraq war vet, it was his son's birthday and telling the shooter. should dr. carson be talking about what he would be doing in an incident if he doesn't really know the details of what happened in that incident? >> anderson, there are many stories that you must consume, many things that you must watch
and be a part of as a presidential candidate. you understand this and yes, there are many details and i don't think that most people would find it shocking that there comes a time when a presidential candidate or even the president of the united states may not have all the details. it doesn't mine miez the fact he cares, he's empathetic in the fact he cannot talk in terms of the future something like this happens again, what we can do as human beings to show our humanities to prevent further carnage. >> mr. williams, pleasure to talk to you. i do appreciate it. >> thank you, anderson. there is actually advice from experts in the field about what to do when you're anywhere close to what law enforcement calls an active shooter. there are steps people can take that could save your life. randi kaye tonight investigates. >> reporter: as disturbing as this looks, it's only a simulation, a training video designed to teach people how to respond to an active shooter
threat. no plan and experts say your chances of surviving drop dramatically. [ gunshots ]. >> reporter: a training program was developed by a dallas-fort worth police officer whose wife was an eloqueementary school principle. it teaches proactive survival strategies. a.l.i.c.e. stands for alert, lockdown, inform, counter, evacuate. the worst thing potential victims can do is wait to act. once you are aware of the shooter, alert others. >> is this 911? there is a shooter outside the building. >> reporter: then go into lockdown. as more information comes in, inform police. but what if the shooter is already inside your classroom like in oregon? experts suggest trying to negotiate with him. if that doesn't work, then
hiding or playing dead. only as a last resort should you physically confront a shooter. throw anything you can at him, chairs, books, whatever it is to distract him, disruptions that create noise and movement can hurt the shooter's accuracy, that could be a life-saver. countering the suspect is all about survival. and finally, if you can, evacuate. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> as we said, we're just now learning more about the roseburg shooter's time in the army. what are you learning, ryan? >> anderson, we are learning now details. the gunman from the oregon college shootings tried to kill himself for the reason for his discharge from the army. we're learning that from sources that told pamela brown this information. a lot of questions why he was discharged. we're leaning it was because of a suicide attempt. >> and i understand police
released details regarding events of the day of the shooting itself. >> more heroic action from police officers. two detectives arrived and knew there were 35 students inside. they heard shots but did not want to fire until they had an eye on the shooter and once they had the eye on the shooter, they fired three shots toward him hitting him once in the side. the two officers being called heroes did not want to step in front of the cameras today. >> appreciate the update. a keeping them honest investigation about a scam you might have gotten a call about yourself. crooks getting you on the phone saying you've won the lottery and trying to get you to hand over thousands of dollars as a deposit. they hustled hundreds of millions of dollars and living in luxury in jamaica. the investigative team is on the case tonight. just like eddie, the first step to reaching your retirement goals is to visualize them. then, let the principal help you get there. join us as we celebrate eddie's retirement, and start planning your own.
in cash and the money is yours. not true. it began five or six years ago into jamaica and grown into a title wave of fraud and it's in monty go may. how bad? we sent drew griffin. >> reporter: these are jamaica's special organized crime police. acting on a tip and finding a suspect in a back room. >> right down! >> reporter: the evidence police say is everywhere. >> here we have the similar card. >> reporter: caught with two cell phones, lists of u.s. phone numbers and piles of cash, corporal kevin watson tells us the suspect was trying to actually eat paper notes of what the police say are his potential victims, u.s. and canadian citizens that have fallen for this $300 million a year scream. >> here we have the laptop.
so he tossed it in the water. >> right. wow, look at that. see what it did. >> reporter: drove a nail in it? >> he drove a nail to destroy evidence. >> reporter: the suspected scammer yet to plea in court will face the first appearance next month. if convicted he will most likely serve a lengthy prison sentence. chris poland would like it to be more severe. >> i would be part of the team that comes down there and catch the guy that i talked to and talked to my dad and i got the personally torture him and then hear him scream and beg, beg to save his life. and then i won't tell you what i would do to him, but it wouldn't be nice. >> reporter: poland lives in knoxville, tennessee, his father fell victim to relentless calls from scrammers saying he won the jamaica lottery.
he had dementia and believed it. >> people called and said he won a mercedes full of money. >> reporter: albert poll land believed all he needed to do to get $3 million in prize money was cover the expenses, taxes he was told, shipping and handling, even travel fees. his wife says he may have sent thousands of dollars and the calls never stopped. >> we looked back on the checkbook and he went back, i'd say three to four years. >> reporter: three or four years. >> that he talked to these people. >> reporter: and had he been giving money the whole time? >> giving some money, yeah. >> reporter: on march 21st, albert pola i arkpoland took hil after being asked for $15,000 he put a gun to his head and killed himself. his family was convinced it was the false promises that drove him to suicide. they were really praying on him? >> uh-huh. >> reporter: albert is one of
thousands of people mostly elderly that answer a phone call and find themselves entangled in a complex skillful scheme to rip them off. the u.s. ambassador says it's hard to keep track of how much money has been stolen. >> we have maybe tens of millions of dollars which we can definitely prove that it's involved, but we really think that it's a bit higher in the hundreds of millions of dollars and some people will even tell you $1 billion. >> reporter: in jamaica, the lottery scram created much bigger problems. it has morphed into an organized crime wave, bigger than drugs, one-third of the murders on this island are attributed to the lottery scram. >> it's a monster doing more damage to jamaica than good. >> reporter: above hillside slums near montego bay, we go on a tour of lavish homes that was built with lottery scram money, people that operate rings of
callers like the man under arrest who spend day after day trying to reach gullible victims. >> this one was dialled at 10:47, 10:46, 10:45 and each of these numbers are different. 10:44, 10:42, so it's a pattern. the verdicts are sometimes are told you fill out a sweepstakes form and we're calling you to tell you that you have won. >> reporter: the poland family has no idea where the scammers got albert's phone number. they have a hunch it came from his medical records that showed he was elderly, suffering from dementia and an easy mark. >> they took my life. we was married 62 years, and when they took him, they took my life, too. >> that's so awful for that family. i mean, is there, first of all, a jamaican lottery people could
win? >> theres a jamaican lottery you play in jamaica like state lotteries in the u.s. fill out numbers, if the numbers hit you win. no one is going to call you and tell you you won, period. if you are offered a prize but told to send money to cover taxes, transfers, anything, it's a scram, hang up. >> the fact that criminals are praying on the elderly, lonely, despicable. >> you heard the corporal there down in jamaica talk about a sucker list. the biggest suckers are the most gullible and that's why this is so tough. many of these victims are lonely and get phone calls and start believing these scammers are their friends, some even think they are their lovers. the scammers keep coming, stealing money, getting more money wired to them, keeping the promises up. the victims don't want to believe they are being scrammed and when they realize it, they are so embarrassed they don't come forward to the police and the police in jamaica and u.s. are working together, both sides trying to stop this and quite
frankly, getting the word out with stories like tonight. anderson? >> terrible for so many people. drew, thank you. good reporting. just ahead, i'll talk to the family that showed amazing strength and courage. if you didn't see this last night, watch tonight because we'll actually talk to the family live the family that rescued a man and his dog trapped in ranging flood waters.
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in south carolina authorities say the beavercreek dam is stabilized, huge reflect. it was expected to fail. the record-breaking flood waters are still claiming lives, the bodies of two missing people were found today. their truck went off a road damaged by flooding. 17 south carolinaens have died. hundreds of people and animals needed rescuing. last night gary tuchman told us a story that was so heart-warming and incredible. >> reporter: tom and julie were trying to make sure neighbors were safe and they found a scar
stuck to a face. his son brice shot this video has his father made his way to the car. >> i see this little hand come out of the window and i'm like oh my god. that's not what you want to see. so he's waving and that means, you know, you got to go get him. >> i couldn't stand up. the current was too strong there that would have swept me away. tom hardly could stand on his own feet, now he had to drag me, too. >> reporter: tom hugged george from the back. george hugged his yorkie. at web point george started to float away and tom grabbed him but couldn't make the last 50 yards. it was his wife and son brice came in the water and to the rescue. bringing george, tom and yes, tila to safety. >> when you see when somebody left saved your life, really and not only mine, my dog's, too, like, you know, of course. this man is unbelievable.
>> reporter: certainly is. extraordinary strength and courage on the part of the family and speaking of extraordinary, george is 86 and was driving from his home in ottawa, canada to his condo in florida when he ran into trouble. we wanted to talk to him tonight but he was rested up and back on the road today in a rental car headed to florida. i'm honored to talk to tom, julie and brice hall. thank you for being with us. i was so moved by what you-all did and where do you find the strength to carry george and his dog through that flood water? >> anderson, i don't know how to answer that question. when we got to george, when we found george and we knew he was out there, we basically tried to regroup and go back to my house and get ropes and equipment and kayaks and gear and call 911 to get help to go out and rescue george and when we got back to the area where george was and
got out to george, it was really just a situation where i had to go to george and we tried many different methods to get to george and we finally got to george. time was going by pretty quickly, and the situation was just getting worse and as far as strength to get back, i didn't have another option. i mean, it was pretty dicey there for the entire situation. >> yeah, george -- >> i don't know where i got that. i've been thinking about it. >> george yesterday said he looked in your eyes and he could tell you were tired and exhausted by the time you got to him. i hate to ask you this, tom, but was there ever a moment you thought you might not make it back? >> the whole time i went out there, i was trying to just be as safe as possible and just focus on one step at a time, and get closer and closer and be as safe as possible and keep my feet moving and keep on the ground and just keep focused on george and when i saw him and got to him, there was definitely a moment when i got him out of
the vehicle i had to get in the vehicle to get him out of the vehicle, he was very calm but he was almost, he had been in the water for two or three hours, so he was focused on the dog and getting the dog safe and i was focused on trying to keep him calm and get away from the car and get back to the safest spot i could get to, which is through a lot of debris and through a big wave and i just wanted to go one step at a time. when i got him out of the car and onto the road, it was a moment where we didn't know how far we could go and we just had to kind of regroup and pray and keep moving forward and hope for the best but definitely, anderson, at one point i didn't know if i could hold on to him and i thought i could drop him and i looked down at george and i thought every time i go to sleep i'll see this phase the rest of my life if i let him go. i didn't want to risk my life and his life and decided at that point i was in all the way to
the shore and we were together and we were going to get as far as we could and that's what we did. >> julie, you actually had to get in the flood water to help out your husband and george and actually bring them both to safety in those last 50 or so yards. what was going through your mind as all this was happening? >> i mean, i don't really remember a lot of it but it was super scary. i was worried -- i saw tom's face and he was white as a sheep and i just, you know, put on a life jacket and waded out to him and said are you okay? he said no. and then, you know, my heart sank and he -- i was very, very concerned at that point but we got -- he got half of george and i got the other side and we pulled him over about another from where they were to half way to safety and then brice came in and then helped us get him the rest of the way over. just, you know, it's hard to remember a lot of what happened the adrenaline so was strong but
i'm so grateful everybody is okay. >> brice, i know you wanted to get out there and help and your dad said you had to stay back. that must have been difficult to get out there but you were able to wade in at the crucial moment of help. >> yes, eventually yes, i was. the entire time i was terrified because my dad was about chest deep in water the entire time and so hard to stand back there and watch your dad basically in death jaws with this old, old man and his little dog. i could be doing something and helping but you being forced to evacuate. so it was one of the hardest things to do to stay back. >> i mean, we all wonder if testing had we would rise to the occasion and i mean, tom, julie and brice, i just, what you did is the greatest thing i've heard in a long, long time and i so appreciate you talking with us tonight. thank you so much for everything. >> thank you for focussing on our city and colombia and giving us support and letting people
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an nfl player suspended for domestic violence refusing to answer questions about the incident that took him off the field. greg hardy suited up for the cowboys for the first time since the suspension and when asked whether he has an intention to work with domestic program violence programs, he said the best way to win the game is stick with the ball and run the ball. it went like that. >> your thoughts about going through the legal process and the challenge and where you are now? >> man, once you put that held the on, you only have thoughts of winning. >> over what happened that led you to be out this long or do -- >> i'm sorry, i couldn't be here for my teammates. >> what have you learned as a man throughout this process? >> that you should probably eat
before you go to practice. >> when asked about facing tom brady in his cowboy's debut, hardy said have you seen his wife referring to super model gazelle and hoped she, her sister and all her friends come to the game. again, kind of maybe an odd choice of words. joining me is rachel nickels. for someone kept out for so long based on this, kind of surreal. >> what's the opposite of contrition? that was greg hardy and what is so frustrating is not that the comments themselves were disgusting and he went on by the way, he didn't just say he likes playing tom brady because he has a hot super model wife and she should bring her sisters and tre friends but votes for players to be in the pro bowl based on how hot their wives are. object fie further. the nfl's program when it deals with domestic violence offenders isn't supposed to keep him off the field but teach them something and he doesn't look like he learned anything.
>> you talked to or asked an nfl commissioner about this roger goodell. >> he was available to the immediamedia and when i asked about greg hardy's comments he said he hadn't heard them yet which sun true or perhaps he's very uninformed for being the commissioner of the nfl. either way it's disturbing. once i laid out the comments, listen to what he said. >> a very, very small percentage of men who don't follow policies. when they don't, they have to be held accountable and we'll do everything we can to prevent that to intervene and to try to make sure that we get them to follow policies and see the way the nfl does things, the standards we hope to uphold and won't compromise. >> maybe these are standards he hopes to uphold but when they found jerry jones and they asked about about greg hardy's comments, that continues through ownership. jerry jones said quote, hey,
when i saw tom brady marry gazelle, his rating went up. that's what they are teaching in dallas. >> thank you. up next, we saw the deadly side of motorcycle clubs in the shootout in texas and are seeing other sides. lisa ling joins me. she got incredible access and joins me next. which means you can access your dvr at the dmv. change channels while he changes pants. you don't have to be a couch potato, you can be a train potato! and let them watch all the shows they love, inside the ride that you really kind of hate. introducing the all in one plan. only from directv and at&t.
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. in just a few minutes, a new episode of "this is life with lisa ling" may challenge everything you know about motorcycle clubs. when they make news, it's usually not good, in may 170 people arrested and no one has been actually charged that left nine dead and 20 injured. what happened is still a mystery as are the general workings, what goes on day to day.
lisa ling got extraordinary access to the club and i'll speak with her but first, a quick preview of tonight's episode. >> can you talk about the patches on the back of the vest? >> it's a mongol's top rocker, center patch with the conand bottom rocker that identifies the state that the brother is from. >> and do you have to earn those? >> well, i mean, you earn them in steps. it's a three-step process. >> a perspective member first earns the bottom rocker and then the center patch and when he finally earns the top rocker, he becomes a full fledged member. >> everything is in here i needed. >> the significance of the patches runs deep. can you talk about what that means is for you? >> for me it's total commitment to this club. i would be willing to take a bullet for a brother and a brother who would be willing to take a bullet for me, so you get brothers there to help you out. >> people have fought and died for -- >> right. >> -- for the patches. >> for sure, right.
>> and lisa joins us now. it's great to see. the access you got is pretty incredible. how did you manage that? >> well, anderson, after the shootout in waco that you referenced, law enforcement has been all over these motorcycle clubs, particularly those called 1 percents and they dubbed them out laws. after a funeral of the banditos, one of the clubs involved in the shootout in waco, i started to reach out to them, but because they had so many people locked up and awaiting charges, they didn't want to talk. so we started to reach out to other 1 percenter clubs and the one club the federal government is targeting the longest and hardest the mongols agreed to give us access because they want the world to know who they are. >> they don't call themselves as a motorcycle gang but a motorcycle club. and are clear about that. >> that are defiant the fact
they are a club. the mongols like other 1 percenter clubs, have a violent history and members of the club have been arrested and sent to jail or prison but the mongols maintain that they are a different club today than they were ten years ago. >> do they talk about how they earn the patches? >> they touch on it. they didn't want to be that forthcoming, but they certainly touch on how they earn some of the patches. you know, they and other 1 percenter clubs are secretive and media is almost never allowed access but the mongols have been under indictment by the federal government for the last seven years and it's very important for them now to get the message out about who they are. the membership is very vast. they have clubs, chapters all over the world -- >> right, not just the united states. this is global. >> well, this club has chapters in tthailand, germany, uk, australia, it's a global club.
>> fascinating stuff. great to see you and hope to see you soon. we'll be watching the show tonight that starts in a matter of seconds. we'll be back at 11:00. this is "life" with my buddy lisa ling. it starts right now. i'm in east los angeles surrounded by hundreds of men. law enforcement calls them a criminal organization. they are a notorious group with a violent history. >> we demand respect. we don't take [ bleep ] from nobody. >> an out law biker club that's at war with the federal government. >> they are trying to decimate all one percent motorcycle clubs. >> they are highly secretive. >> i would rather not say. >> no comment? okay. >> they never let the