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when john kerry seemed to imply there was something intelligible, remember, that seems to me just as dreadful. i think we all have to take a big step back here. >> is that just the gap? >>. i don't think. >> was there some meaning in there? >> i think, unfortunately, very many people since january, since the "charlie hebdo" justified, this was offensive. it crossed a line. maybe we can understand why people were offended. as if that would somehow justify a massacre. at least we begin to see more clearly as compared with january that incident people are innocent people, it doesn't matter how you use your freedom, to publish a concert or a satire cal magazine, you shouldn't be prey to terrorist attacks. gaffes are made on both side. we need to look at what's going on here. >> because of the breaking news, our time is short.
i appreciate it. thank you so much, neil ferguson. >> thank you so much. . it is 11:00 p.m. in new york. we begin with breaking news, two air france flights from the united states diverted due to bomb threats, according to officials, both planes landed safely, one in salt lake city, utah. the other in halifax, nova scotia. joining me now on the phone is cnn aviation correspondent renee marsh. what do you know on the breaking news? report. [ inaudible ] >> renee marsh? we are getting renee marsh. can you hear me? >> yes. >> you are online, breaking news, what information are you getting? >> reporter: hello? >> apparently having a problem. again. >> reporter: i can tell you
besides knowing that these are two air france flights, both bound for paris, flight 65 and 55. we now know from a government official that both of these flights were diverted because of a bomb threat. both of these flights received bomb threats and that is why both have to be diverted. one was a triple-7, which another is roughly 314 or more. the other is an airbus 380, a larger aircraft, fits about 544 passengers, probably more, depending on the plane. what happens next, now that both of these aircrafts have landed safely, the passengers have deplaned, bomb-sniffing dogs will be brought in. they will want to sweep the entire aircraft. they will want to recheck the luggage. if this is a hoax, which we've seen before, if you credibly inconvenient. not only inconvenient to the
passengers but taxing for law enforcement forces, the fbi will likely come in to try to investigate. try to trace this call. we understand from the airline, air france says the bomb threat came in by phone. so, perhaps, investigators will be able to track that call if they have to that that is worth noting if an individual is caught, they do take this sort of thing seriously. of course, don, the comes on the same day that the russians reveal that they found trace evidence of explosives on the refuge of that metro jet, that russian passenger plane and a bomb was on board. so the aviation community is very much on edge and so within you have a bomb threat called in, to two aircraft with hundreds of people on board, the pilot obviously is not going to take any chances, that's why we saw both of these flights divert. don. >> absolutely.
renee marsh reporting for us. we apologize for the technical information of this information coming in. i want to go now on the phone is yanni on the air france flight diverted to halifax, nova scotia. not the one you are looking at now. >> that is salt lake city. flight 55, which was diverted from dulles and had to go to halifax. can you hear in? >> reporter: i can hear you. >> tell us what happened. >> caller: so, we had a great takeoff and the flight out of dulles, about two-and-a-half hours into the flight. right as we can see we are about to cross over the atlantic the people came on and told us that due to operational issues, we are going to be diverting to halifax and the plane landed pretty quickly after the announce p, about 15 minutes we were on the ground. they started to disembark passengers with the buses. they took us to a back part of the runway and as we did with a
bunch of fire, ems and, you know, other security vehicles and then passengers started to disembark in an orderly fashion. we are in the northwest wing of the aircraft from what i am told. it's where all of the departing flights to the u.s. go. this part of the airport has been closed off. because there is no more departures to america from canada at this hour. so they've brought us here about two-thirds of the passengers are off and there is about 1 much people still on the plane and security officials that i talked to said the bombing sniffing dogs are in the fuselage and under carriage so to speak. we are waiting to get official word of what next steps are and people are here waiting to hear what's going on, charging and seeing what itself going on. >> so tell me, what reason do they give you, yanni? >> caller: they told us over the
p.a. system operational issues, they didn't say what exactly it was and upon landing one of the flight attendants said it was a security issue that needed to get addressed. >> so weren't they september nt buses out. you didn't go to a normal gate, did you suspect something? >> i mean people suspected something the minute we landed and we look out the window and there's 30 cop cars and ambulances, lights ablazing following the aircraft. >> how did people react upon seeing that and to the news over the p.a.? >> caller: to be honest, it was really calm. i think the air france team did a great job keeping calm. no one was really panicked. when they told us we were diverting, people were questioning why we were not going to the charles de gaulle airport. i think that given what's going on in the world and given the news in recent days, i think it's not out of the realm of possibility that a hoax threat got called in or something
related to paris, you know, is happening. so folks were pretty calm. now, withstanding the lights. but, you know, it's pretty tranquil right now. i think, you know, people are resting and waiting to hear how long it's going to take. we were told it could be anywhere from two hours to four hours. and hopefully they're able to you know clear the plane really quickly, restand all of our luggage and get us back on our way. >> there is a lot going on here, people were talking to me as you are as well. is everyone off that plane? >> caller: i don't believe that everyone is off just yet. we are on little tram buses, each can carry about 25 to 35 passengers. and there was three of those at the time that we first landed. so the first set of three took off. we had to wait. we were on the second set of three that moved on. there are folks that i don't know if they're on the airplane yet, but they're still waiting
to get into the room where we are. we are not the entire aircraft. >> and so, no news as to what is going to happen correctly, they're asking you to be patient? >> they're asking us to be patient. i middle eastern, they've told us that they're going to sweep the plane and ensure the safety of all the luggage and everyone's information or everyone stuff is safe before we get back on. >> okay. yanni, thank you. we appreciate you joining us. yanni is on that flight. flight 55. >> that has landed in halifax and foesh at the airport there. it took off earlier this evening from dulles and that is to the right of your screen that the flight that yanni was on, en route to charles de gaulle, dulles in washington, d.c., to charles de gaulle and has to be diverted to halifax airport, nova scotia. originally, they were told it was an operations issue over the p.a. system. yanni as you heard, one of the
flit attendants said it was security issues, took them to sort of an extension of annex of the airport rather than a regular date and disembarked on to buses that took them to this part of the airport asking them to be patient as the rest of the passengers have been removed and the plane is being swrept. luggage and everything and all for security reasons the flight that you are looking at on the left the photographs, that is at salt lake city international airport. that flight took off from lax en route to charles de gaulle or en route to charles de gaulle and has to be diverted to salt lake city international airport. joining me now is jonathan gilliam and july yet cayenne. jonathan, you were an air marshall, how quickly can officials determine whether this is a legitimate threat or not? >> well, they can definitely determine if there is anything on the plane pretty quickly. once they get the people off and i'm almost positive that there's probably no one left on that
plane, if anybody was still on that plane at this point, that would be a sign of something up with those particular passengers. but i would almost be 100% sure they're off. they could then sweep the plane. they bring the dogs on the plane him they clear the lug an and go through the luggage. so they can clear the plane. i would say relatively quickly, clear the luggage relatively quickly. but determining whether these phone calls came from is going to be a difficult thing unless it's just some, you know, person randomly calling these things in. what bothers me is these are two different airplanes at the same time. so we either have one person doing these or they have a coordination where they're making phone calls, which we have seen not necessarily for bomb threats where people are in different leagues, they coordinate the calls to go in so they can't be tracked. one thing that has to be clear is that we may call this a hoax, but the reality is, terrorism
which we see going on in france right now and here is a tactic used to infect a psychological or a political change on a community and that is what this is. so it is -- it may be a hoax as far as a bomb threat. but this is terrorism. >> as i'm getting more information, i am wondering, how long are we going to have to deal with this? in this climate, everything needs to be taken seriously. no doubt. we saw that threat at a stadium in hanovnover, germany as well. how long do you think we have to deal with this high landfall alert? >> it will be a while this is consistent after 9-11 after the attacks in london. there is a heightened alert. i want to remind people. the ultimate we have to
recognize these are human being making dal calculations in the air. they can't tell if it's a hoax. picking up on jonathan's point, the second pilot, did he know that the first plane hadi verted? we don't know when the calls came in vis-a-vis the flight. the calls may have come in before the flights took off and the pilot makes a judgment call to divert. ultimately, it relies on the pilot if consultation with air france and, of course, federal officials at least in the u.s. and now in canada. so when we talk about us being nervous, imagine if you are an airline pilot from a country that's been attacked. and also on jonathan's point, a hoax is a hoax in the sense that, you know, this may not be bombs, but the motivation of the person calling, we don't know yet. so, if it's some teenager in the, you know, in the philippines, you know, sort of
messing with us, or if it's something more strategic in terms of sort of commercial terrorism or going after us in terms of the economics of our airline and airline industry. >> but we just den know right now. one cannot be too cautious especially in this environment as you two have made perfectly clear. up next the hunt for a possible second suspect in the paris terrorist attacks. plus, details, more details on our breaking news involving two air france flights having to be diverted. believe it. at&t and directv are now one. which means you can watch in the house, in a treehouse, or even in miss pepperpie's house. pause in your pjs and hit play during a pb&j. nice! and enjoy some cartoons instead of listening to dad's car tunes. (dad) ♪meet you all the way! get directv at home and 2 wireless lines for under $99 a month. from directv and at&t.
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found outside of paris and there were three ak-47 rifles. they've seen the video and they're looking to see whether there was a 2nd possible suspect or a third on the run. one of the things that through investigators off when they found that car was that there were three ak-47s inside, therefore, they thought there might be three passengers and those might have been involved. very little information about that at this point in time. but certainly the search for possible other suspects is ongoing, don. >> let's talk about someone else who is, lets you be involved with this. what did we learn about the suspected mastermind? abdelhamid abaaoud. what other plots has he been involved in? >> reporter: this is something very interesting and more and more possible plots coming to light. it seems as though this man had quite a long history of jihadism, extremism. it goes back to 2010 where he
and salah abdeslam, the man currently sought in that manhunt have a criminal operation together. he has been implicated in a 2014 museum at a jewish museum. in that attack on a french train you will recall. it happened earlier this year where a man with an ak-47 attempted to shoot up a train between brussels and paris. of course, that man was stopped by those three american heroes who came in and took the gun away from him and stopped a massacre there. this is somebody on the radar of the department of homeland security of intelligence for a while. also he traveled back and forth, between syria and belgium and france and is responsible for a lot of extremist activity here in europe attempting several plots. also, you recall earlier this year, we had the "charlie hebdo"
massacre. he was there, also believed to be implanicated in a town verviers. >> we need you to check on something for us. we are getting word of a gunfire and police raid under way. heavy gunfire in the northern suburb of st. denis in paris. there is heavy gunfire going on. we need to check on that. a terrorist scare in germany forces cancellation of a soccer match between a german and dutch teams. michael weiss, a senior contributor and co-author of isis inside the army of terror. michael, today in germany, officials cancelled a cocker match after police uncovered quote serious plans for explosives. as of tonight, no explosive,s, no arrests have been made, how real was that threat? >> it sounds like it was very real. one thing to keep in mind, don
the belgium operation that took place in january of this year, which was actually interdicted by belgium authorities, resulted in the worst firefight in the history of the country since world war ii. a lot of intelligence was uncovered. paul crook shank reported 20 sleeper isis cells scattered around europe. as many as 180 operates. the plans were to attack germany, france, belgium and the netherlands. i think this is giving you some indication of the scale and the sort of tempo of this threat at this point. this is not just confined to one country in western europe. this is -- this spans the continent. they are able to penetrate borders using the visa free travel program. they obviously have multiple identity papers, passports, by all indications stolen or forged, either if turkey or syria. they're moving weapons, men and material across the borders of
europe. very, very easily. the important thing about the alleged mastermind of the paris attack is this. again, based on cnn reporting, he apparently was close to abu bakir al baghdadi. this is significant. previously the way isis behaved, they would possibly offer you money. once you left the caliphate or established a cell or network in university. you ran your own autonomous cell or agency of terrorists. there was no command and control exercised. if this guy the mastermind, alleged mastermind was close to baghdadi. >> that speaks a level of coordination that emnates from raqqa the capital. >> michael weiss -- >> probably. >> i have to cut you off. stay with us. we have breaking news. i want to bring in, pardon me,
michael, frederick, we sent you to check on this, apparently you did. you got some information regarding a northern paris suburb, a police raid. what do you know? >> reporter: yeah, there is a little bit of information coming out. it's not very much at this point. in time, don, however with eare seeing a pictures on social media that seem to indicate there might be shooting and some sort of concussions going on in the northern suburb of paris and there is witness reports that we are getting into cnn that report that heavy gunfire and that police are blocking roads in that northern suburb. witnesses say officers have been shot and wounded in the ninth paris attack according to bf mtv. the district sondine. that's where the main stadium is
where three of those suicide attackers blew themself up with suicide vests. so this place has been the focal point of the attack or one of the focal points that went on here on friday and it would certainly be interesting to see if anything was going on. it would indicate perhaps anyone implicate implicated there could have been fighting out there the entire time. >> reporting on this, since it happened, the breaking news is witnesses are reporting there is heavy gunfire and police are blocking roads in the northern paris suburb sontenee. the witness is salah abdela, tell us what you know. >> caller: yes, they were going
out in sontene. they will not go back in. i don't know which place. i can only see the police. >> what are you seeing, mr. ab bella caller carl i see police from my window. they are shut in. but in our room. our house. yes. and even people are outside. they are also working the visa. >> that is what is happening right now here. >> did you hear gunfire? in sontene? >> caller: i can still hear the gunfire. >> you can hear the gunfire?
>> caller: right now, yes. yes. but police are out there. we hope we are safe. >> how long have you, when did the start and for how long has it been going on? >> i was sleeping and my wife helped me out. so it's hearing something i didn't know. but it's gunfire in my country. >> tell us about you live in this suburb sontene. stand by. stand by, sir. stand by. can we rerack that video? okay. so this is, we are looking at images and hearing the gunshots
so this is from twitter. we are getting this from social media. again, you heard all of this go down. tell the viewers what you heard. >> caller: i heard the fun shots from the first time it was -- [ inaudible ] . i record it. so also i don't know what happened. >> so again if you can speak into the phone clearly for us. it is what 5:30 in the morning there. you said this started earlier. how long ago? >> caller: 12:00 a.m. y yes. it's been almost one hour, i was woke up, yes, to the gunfire. >> okay. thank you. we want you to be safe. again, if you are just joining
us. a lot of breaking news, here in the united states, two planes diverted. breaking news of a situation on the investigation and now the breaking news in sontene a northern suburb of paris you saw the video there and you heard from a gentleman that live there saying that he heard it started about afternoon hour ago. i. to bring in cnn's michael weiss. michael. this is what happens when there is a terror investigation. you had raids on certain neighborhoods and that's as a result of what's happened. this is what's going on. >> look. you are going to see, not a nationwide dragnet. a continental one. this goes well beyond france. this is extending into belgium, possibly into germany. there will be a lot of coordination between and amongst itself counterterrorism officials. the united states is probably going to be sharing whatever it
has in terms of signals, intercepts with europe and the european union. it's own intelligence wing. i think we are seeing the beginning of this not the end, dorp, to be honest. i mentioned earlier in the last segment. isis has as many as 180 operatives. that was the last estimate as of january of this year. 20 different cells scattered throughout the continent. and here's what i want to emphasize. this actually returns to the origins. the jordanian founder of that organization was personally responsible for overseeing foreign operations. you may remember he had a role in the assassination of lawrence foley, a usaid worker if jordan. he had been implicated in a host of different plots in europe. dispatched his tenants from iraq during the occupation in the war there to conduct these kind of terror splars and get away with
what we have now deny e seen isis getting away in paris. again, they are reverting to this sort of prior mode. for a variety of reasons. number one, it's a way to distract from certain battlefield losses, particularly in syria. number two, the borders of the so-called caliphate have been sir couple described by the turks, certainly by the iraqis. so it's harder for the so-called mujahadeen, they are told stay where you are. you don't sister to join us here in raqqa. we can convert you, pledge allegiance in whatever city or town you are residing in. we are seeing this second phase of isis' terror unfold. >> a question for you. explain something to me. what is the point of this paris attack other than terror?
and how terrorizing the west helps isis to get their caliphate. they say that's what they want. >> reporter: well, they have several goals. few look at their propaganda, abu bakr al baghdadi said a couple months ago, if god wills it, one day we will be in rome. the black flag enenveloped the entire world. do they believe they will have advancing columns march on washington, d.c. or london or paris? >> no. the second best thing for them is to do this. to discombobulate, to traumatize and terrorize. and in so doing, they are trying to manipulate western politics. they want, the very debate we are having now the rise of the xenophobic isolationist sentiment, all isis out. they have cast their struggle as a civilizational civil one. when the leader get up and says
hungary is a muslim nation. when france said we should shut down the border. again, perfect. because they know, they understand, that is the catalyst. >> that is going to radicalize sunnis at an industrial scale and thus continue to populate the caliphate. this has always been an international project. we think that somehow we can absent ourselves or extract ourselves in the middle east. even if we are not interested in the middle east the middle east is interested in us. they are not going to stop. even if they are defeated, booted out of raqqa the real gehl will be providing a credible alternative, convincing sunni arabs in particular the united states is on their side. we have their best interests in heard. we are looking to protect them and defend their human rights. right now on syria for five years the level of conpier iscism, the level of dejection and disaffection and looking at the united states, not as a
bumbling haphazard imperial power anymore but as an active agent for the marginalization of sunnis reached a record scale. this is a geopolitical crisis. it's now bleeding out, hemorrhaging into europe and eventually possibly god forbid, though, the united states again. we have to take this seriously. this is just the beginning. >> michael weiss, i appreciate you joining us and updating our viewers, reports of gunfire in a northern suburb of paris, officers again according to sources there, according to cnn affiliate wbfm, officers have been shot and wounded seeking the ninth suspect. in united states, two air france flights en route to paris having to be diverted to two different cities. updates on the breaking news right after this break.
>> breaking news tonight, french police confirm to cnn that there is an ongoing police raid in sontene a paris suburb. police did not confirm reports that officers have been shot in the operation. listen to this video. the video continues to loop and you can hear the gunfire. joining me now is benjamin haddad, fellow at the hudson substitute and michael weiss, cnn senior editor at the daily beast and co-author of "isis, inside the army of terror." there is a whole lot of breaking news. everyone bear with us. i want to pose to some experts what they make of this raid benjamin to you first. >> first as your correspondent has underlined earlier, sontene
is the town where some of the suicide attacks were carried last friday. now over the last few days, though the french have ramped up security against terrorist networks, radical networks. a lot of arrests were carried out in frons and also in germany and belgium. there is a large security sweep over europe. attacks were carried out by french citizens. they were planned in syria and prepared, organized if belgium against french targets. so this is a whole regional sweeps. but what the french are doing right now is expanding the operations against radical cells, even beyond the ones directly linked to the attack on friday. using the measures in the state of emergency declared by francois hollande to target suspected extremist cells.
>> benjamin, if we can put that video back up if you are listening. viewers need to know, you grew up in paris. your brother was in the stadium during friday's attack. >> reporter: yes, absolutely. >> i am told this yabd sontene is a heavily immigrant neighborhood. tell us about this neighborhood. >> reporter: it's on the northeast of paris, arguable one of the most impoverished in the area with a heavy diverse and immigrant population. so it is possible that some of the cells where radical groups would emanate, you would have incitement and maybe a radical underground mosque would be held in these kind of areas. >> juliette kayyem, we were told initially this may be rein response from our affiliate,
originally we were told there were seven, ache, now nine. are there possibly more? >> reporter: absolutely. i think they can't know what the number is yet because as we have been saying this investigation is ongoing. i find it hard to believe the only people involved, i don't think anyone does believe it were the men there that day last friday. they needed a support team to help them fund this train this get the arms. so i would imagine this number will go higher in any event and pick up on this sweep notion. we will see this the next couple of weeks, these investigations, these attempts to break up cells. what we haven't seen yet, what itself new about tonight is of course what sounds like the exchange of arms, gunfire, between police and those they're trying to get, which would then make me think this is actually related to friday unless there
is another cell that they didn't know about and they happened upon in this investigation. so this is a unique night in this regard. >> we are just getting information from police. they didn't want to confirm whether officers had been shot in this operation. obviously, so they don't want to give away all of the information,. they are confirming there is a police raid ongoing in sontene, which is a north suburb. benjamin knows a lot about it. again, we can expect these operations to be going on in particular neighborhoods. >> that may have folks who would be prone to joining isis, heavily immigrant enclaves, such as this. >> sure. i mean, not necessarily immigrants. you can have people who were born in france, the sons, first generation, french nationals. i lived in london for three years. it has a similar problem with
radical islamists and jihadism. there is a scarce terrorist attack, it doesn't work back to some british university or neighborhood in the u.k. it was exactly this problem, you had children of you know from fairly well educated bougios backgrounds, one went to one of the most finishing schools or secondary schools in the country. this is a problem. children who have access remotely through the internet, watching the sermons, you can live stream isis clerics, friday prayers an sermons on a platform called zela on your mobile phone. it's like having it muched into your sitting in a mosque in raqqa, itself. this is the problem. and you know the french are going to find that their entire
city, their entire country is probably honeycombed with exactly these kind of networks. it's not people actively plotting terrorist attacks. people tracking this sentiment and ideology. >> we saw similarly after "charlie hebdo" are the same sorts of things where we are reporting on police operations after the initial attack. >> yeah, absolutely. beyond the people who are directly linked to this, you have to keep in mind that the french intelligence service have a list that they call the s listing which lists all the people linked in a way or another to radicalism. so they went on radical websites, radicalizeing jail. it doesn't mean they're plotting terrorist attacks. at leaster that people who are potential threats on civilians. 11,000 people. so that's way beyond the 5 much people we think are currently in syria might come back as foreign
fighters. this is an issue that is well beyond it. as mike pointed out, it goes on the internet. a lot of the people we are tracking today, radicalizing jail as well that was the case of for example, the killer and the toulouse terrorist attacks against jewish kids in 2012 or the terrorists that followed just after the "charlie hebdo" attacks. >> juliette, in the short time we have left, can you explain the dangers law enforcement faces if neighborhoods like this. again we are getting reports of officers injured in this shootout, this raid. just the danger of going into neighborhoods like this where you don't know what you are facing or up against. >> reporter: it's simply, this is, these sweeps are happening very, very quickly. so that the normal approach of someone who might be a terrorist, which sometimes takes a long time. you make sure you protect the first responders and police officers. it's not happening right now.
we are seeing too many raids. their physical vulnerability is quite high. they likely don't know what they're coming upon or happening upon when they get there. so this is, i mean, finally, this is urban, these are urban approaches. i mean, this is somewhat rare in paris in most western countries to have shootouts like this in urban areas. so this is france has made a concerted effort and a conscious decision as they should. it will be overbroad after last friday. they are going to approach anyone who is remotely connected to anything that they might view as nefarious. so that's where france is right now. >> it is understandable that they are doing so. this is a night-of-breaking news here on cnn. coming up, more on our breaking news stories. police raid a neighborhood near
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operation. we also have more breaking feuds for your president barack obama speaking a short time ago in the philippines, hitting back as critics of the program to resettle syrian refugees in the united states. joining me now is the president of the muslim republican coalition. it's so good to have you here. all that's going on, when you see what's happening in the airplanes that have to be diverted on the airplanes going to paris diverted, when you see what's happening, it shows you how on edge everyone is right now. >> thank you, don, for having me. i can totally understand. it is horrifying what has happened last week. i mean muslims, non-muslims, all of us are terrified about what could happen next. we can all stand in solidarity with paris. obviously, they do not represent islam. they have isis has perverted the teachings of islam to commit
such atrocities. there is no basis for suicide in islam. there is no basis for killing innocent human beings, killing one person is as though you have killed all of humanity. so i'm not sure what islamic teachings they're following. but they're completely against our faith. >> you know, president obama just addressed reporters. listen to this after meeting with the president of the philippines, here it is. >> when individuals say that we should have a religious test and that only christians, proven christians, should be admitted, that's offensive and contrary to american values. i cannot think of a more potent recruitment tool for isil than some of the rhetoric coming out of here during the course of
this debate. >> reaction to the president. >> we, obviously, shouldn't have any religious trusts to admit or not admit people. the thing is, this is the same president who has not acted. he watched as 220,000 syrians were murdered by the assad regime and isis. everybody is kind of like he didn't follow through on his red lines. he didn't do anything when he had the chance. now he's complaining about the refugees fleeing to europe and trying to bring some here to the states. the united states has provided quite a bit of aid. obviously we can do more. but i don't understand why the islamic countries in the middle east are not taking any of the refugees. why do they have to come all the way to america? they could easily be asimulated in other arab countries. but, you know, i don't see saudi arabia taking refugees, i don't see egypt. >> why won't they then?
>> they have security issues, obviously, they have security concerns about bringing in refugees. and so and i don't, obviously, maybe they're not as generous and compassionate as americans, but the thing is, they have very serious concerns about people coming in, because like you saw in paris one of the people was a refugee. he did come in as sad as it is and obviously it's not the orphans or the woman and children. it is but it's very hard to understand how somebody could be radicalized or put through the process. i personally as a muslim, i'm offended by a lot of the rhetoric, but i just want to see more leadership coming out of the muslim countries in the middle east. which are neighboring syria and other areas. >> they're still investigating whether that individual did actually come in through, maybe through the process or was it actually a refugee or not? >> either way, i think, you
know, having -- the thing is, america is one of the largest, i mean, we have over a million immigrants and refugees that come to the united states every year. we have more people coming in than any other country. but i think, you know, it's time for arab nations to also take some leadership and responsibility for their fellow brothers and sisters in humanity and in islam. you know, we are all supposed to be one community and so they should be the ones to step up and help the muslims in syria. >> saba ahmed, thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. . the cold truth is, (coughing) you can't work from home when you're sick. you need real relief. alka-seltzer plus day cold & flu has three cold symptom fighters
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to breaking news sources to tell you about. one a police raid taking place in a suburb north of paris. >> that word from french police. fun fire is reported. however, police did not confirm reports that officers have been shot in the operation. two air france flights from the united states to paris were diverted tonight for security concerns. both planes landed safely. one in salt lake city. the other if halifax, nova
scotia. a lot going on. so our live coverage of the terrorist attacks in paris as well as the breaking news now continues with cnn's john voss, i should say they are in los angeles. we join them live in paris. thanks, for watching. good night. >> hello, everyone. welcome to cnn. we're covering the terror attacks in paris. i'm isha sesay. >> two air france planes just diverted in north america. but we begin with gun fire in a northern paris suburb. police are not confirming a report that officers had been shot during this operation. [ gun fire ] >> it happened in a suburb st. denis. let's go straight to senior international correspondent who's live in paris with details. atika, what can you tell us? >> well, i'm on the