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we could see it again. >> you'll be watching very closely. you'll be with the press in the spin room i'm sure. >> yes. >> it will be exciting for all. i'm getting ready myself. i'll be back in two hours to moderate this democratic presidential debate. a very special night. historic in a sense. welcome to a very special edition of "outfront." good evening, i'm erin burnett. countdown to the cnn democratic debate tonight. i'm live in brooklyn new york. for sanders, it is a make or break night just five days before the new york primary. tonight is his last best chance
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to stop clinton from locking down the nominati. >> we started this campaign 60 points behind hillary clinton in the national polls. last couple of polls over the last few weeks had us ahead in several polls. >> and everything is on the line for hillary clinton tonight too. she needs a big win here tonight to prove she can beat sanders at the polls. sanders meantime riding a wave of momentum. he has won eight of the past nine contests. it comes as the tension between the two campaigns reaches a new high. our expert team is going to be with me throughout the hour. we begin with jeff zeleny. jeff, you've had a chance to talk to both of the campaigns today. tonight is so crucial for both of them. what are they saying to you? >> reporter: it is indeed, erin. i'm on the debate stage. you can see behind me the podiums are set.
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bernie sanders and hillary clinton will be standing side by side, face to face for the first time in five weeks. they're ninth time overall. the clinton campaign believes this race is tighter than the public polls indicate. that's why they're going to go out tomorrow with a new advertisement from the new york daily news, that editorial we've been talking about all week, they're going to put that on television to translate that message that she is more prepared than he is to be president. this is one sign that the clinton campaign is not taking anything for granted and is in fact a little bit worried about the momentum that senator sanders had. we saw that last night on the ground in washington square park when so many thousands of people came out to see senator sanders. i'm told by top advisers to the sanders campaign they're just going to keep on hammering away, raising questions about the honesty, the trustworthiness, the creditability of secretary clinton, specifically on wall street reform, on criminal justice reform, on fracking, on
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other things. this is going to be a decidedly local debate. we are here in brooklyn where senator sanders was born and raised, the site of hillary clinton's campaign headquarters. it is such a critical point in this campaign. erin? >> thank you very much, jeff zeleny. you heard jeff saying the clinton campaign thinks there's a tighter race than some of the polls out there. a fox news poll says the gap is now down to a two-point lead for hillary clinton. this debate comes after a heated 24 hours for both hillary clinton and bernie sanders. joe johns is outfront with more. >> reporter: tonight, the battle lines are drawn. >> you elect me president. you're going to have a president who is prepared to take on the
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billionaire class, not take their money. >> reporter: sanders speaking today to reverend al sharpton's national action network, the same group clinton addressed a day earlier, appealing to african-american voters in new york. >> we are going to invest in education and jobs for our kids, not jails and incarceration. >> reporter: sanders also holding a rally with thousands of supporters last night in lower manhattan. when i look at an unbelievable crowd like this, i believe we're going to win here in new york next thursday. >> reporter: but he wound up having to do some clean up after one of his supporters made this comment on stage. >> medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma. sanders tweeted there's no room
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for language like that in our political discourse. the clinton campaign firing back on cnn. >> i think what's troubling all over is his campaign strategy in new york to launch these kinds of personal attacks against hillary. >> reporter: while sanders filled washington square park, clinton was holding a much smaller rally in the bronx. >> vote not just for me. my name will be on the ballot, but vote for yourselves. vote for your families. vote for your children, your grandchildren. vote for the future of the bronx. >> reporter: and turning her focus once again to the republicans. >> one of them denigrates new york values. one of them, mr. trump, wants to set americans against each other. >> reporter: as the democratic fight reaches a critical moment, sanders is complaining that the primary process has made his path to the nomination more challenging. >> people say why does iowa go
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first, why does new hampshire go first, but i think having so many southern states go first kind of distorts reality as well. >> reporter: less than two hours away from this pivotal debate here in brooklyn tonight, and at least for one of the candidates this night will not end when the debate is over. bernie sanders flying off to rome to the vatican for a conference on economic inequality tomorrow. >> outfront now, our panelists. great to have all of you with me. bacarri, let me start with you. you just heard jeff zeleny reporting. the clinton campaign believes this will be a much tighter race. 13%, 17%. certainly the fox news poll nationally is showing it to be a
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dead heat. how much does tonight matter for her? >> well, tonight is big. anyone who wants to underestimate the value of tonight is lying to themselves. new york is a big primary. and the reason being is hillary clinton feels comfortable here. she feels comfortable here not only because she represented this state in the state senate, but the demographics match where she excels. bernie sanders has not been able to expand his base at all. the eight out of nine states he won on the west coast the demographics looked exactly the same. when you come here next week to new york, you'll see a very robust and african-american and latino population. if bernie sanders doesn't make inroads here in new york, the race is over. >> jonathan, would you agree with that? >> no. the answer is no. first of all, let's go through a few things. first of all, the people of
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hawaii and alaska would be very surprised that bacarri would claim those are not diverse states. the race is very tight and i think that is part of the incredible enthusiasm. i've been doing political organizing for 30-plus years. i've never seen thousands of people jamming into halls, wanting to grab phone lists and canvassing lists. the transport union, which endorsed bernie, very important union here. those people are incredibly effective in turning out the vote in the city. upstate, it is pretty much a tie. bernie is doing well in areas where he can show hillary clinton's support for very bad trade agreements has hurt jobs. >> part of that can be a tactic. a lot of the polls have shown,
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15, 10 percent caps. >> she's in a more commanding position, but the point is that that enthusiasm gap that she may be experiencing is something that she's worried about. she didn't necessarily want this debate tonight. why would she want to give him at a shot at oxygen and air time to wound her in a debate? she's going to turn out her voters. she's got a home state vibe going on, but it's interesting. i actually had a constructive exchange on twitter earlier today. >> there's news. >> breaking news. >> this is a woman that lives in california, but from new york she said i'm really looking forward to tonight because i want to hear from sanders a real plan of action. she's got my head, but he's got my heart. i think that says a lot about where people are. he's much more of a movement
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politician, but she's still in a commanding position. >> out of new york, 30% of bernie sanders supporters say they will never under any circumstances vote for hillary clinton. nationally that number is 25%. that's pretty hard because then when she comes out, if she is the nominee, she's got to have those votes to win. >> there's no doubt. the reverse, bernie sanders supporter, only 15% say they wouldn't support bernie sanders. that is on her to-do list once she's able to finish off this nomination, if she's able to do so. the first thing on her to-do list is bringing those people in. she probably has more experience than anybody else about what needs to happen, right, because if indeed she vanquishes bernie sanders, she's going to think back to the conversations that barack obama had with her about what he needed from her to help heal thebacarri, certainly
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has helped her. the momentum appears right now to truly be in his court. >> i have to push back on what was said to my right. this race has not been about momentum. this race is purely about demographics. we understand the diversity of alaska and the diversity of hawaii, but we're talking about african-american voters here in new york. we're talking about hispanic voters here in new york and that's vastly different. that's first. this enthusiasm gap that we keep making up is purely nonexistent. the fact of the matter is hillary clinton is dominating this race by every single metric you put forth. whether or not you're looking at the total states won or raw votes or 200 tedelegates. a huge crowd of protesters at this hour greeting trump
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tonight. we have surprising new numbers. a new poll just released. those protests are happening where all three gop candidates are going to be speaking at a gala tonight. trump will speak first. we're less than two miles away from wall street where we're sitting right now. the issue that will not go away for hillary clinton or bernie sanders. also this as we count you down to tonight's crucial democratic debate right here in brooklyn. hey, we're opening up a second shop and we need some new signage. but can't spend a lot. well, we have low prices and a price match guarantee. scout's honor? low prices. pinky swear? low prices. eskimo kisses? how about a handshake? oh, alright... the lowest price. every time. staples. make more happen. so we know how to cover almost alanything.ything, even a stag pool party. (party music)
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welcome back to a very special edition of "outfront." we are live tonight from brooklyn, the site of tonight's democratic presidential debate. clinton and sanders facing off less than two hours from now right here on cnn. first breaking news on the republican side. a new poll just out showing donald trump jumping to an 18-point lead over ted cruz nationally. three weeks ago in the same poll his lead was 12 points. thr
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many of the protesters chanting stop trump. sunlen serfaty is outfront. sunlen, what are you hearing about these protests tonight? >> reporter: well, erin, the scene inside this black tie event a stark contrast to what's going on outside. our team outside reports there is a group of about 300 protesters. they report that group is growing by the minute. they say they are stop trump protesters. they're yelling dump trump and other anti-trump sentiments. a short time ago a small group broke off and they tried to cross the street, cross the police barricade, in front of this hotel. that's when a group of nypd officers stepped in. there was absolutely no violence we are told, but we are told there have been some arrests. that's according to our team on the ground outside with those protesters right now. we knew about this stop donald trump protest in advance. they were advertising it. they were coming around to reporters outside sayi ining wel
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be protesting here later today. about 300 protesters at this point, but this is a black tie dinner hosted by the new york state party. all three republican candidates will be here, so certainly a prime target for protesters to potentially have their voice be heard tonight. it will be interesting to see as the candidates take the stage here all in one room how they respond to the protest here tonight. erin? >> all right. sunlen, thank you very much. also this evening, trump's team courting washington. his campaign held private meetings with house republicans earlier. these meetings very important because trump is trying to build support in washington instead of just treating it with disdain. is it working? >> reporter: the jury is still out. today began the series of weekly meetings that trump is going to have with congress. roughly a half a dozen or so
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folks met a senior level trump aide who laid out what the trump campaign believes is its path to victory and making a very bullish projection they would lock up this nomination in june in the california primary, where at that point they'll believe they'll get 1237 delegates necessary to clinch the nomination. >> i think we're on a glide path. we have to work hard. we have to talk to the voters, but i think it's a path which has very few obstacles to us winning on the first ballot. the hard number is 1237. we think we're going to blow way past that. >> reporter: there is discussion about getting to 1265 delegates, which one congressman said that was a conservative estimate. they think they can get to that. i said what if you don't get to that 1237. he would not even go there. if they do not clinch before the
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convention, it will be much harder to clinch the nomination. >> you just heard ed brook over there talking to our reporter. let's talk about a majority. we can do even more than that. the words glide path. too confident? >> there may be a few air pockets along the way, but i've known ed brookover for a long time. he looks younger there. he knows how to bean count as does paul manafort. this is what the trump campaign is evolving into, a regular presidential campaign. when you have people like this, they know what they're doing and they're there for a reason. >> in a normal world, if he were a normal candidate, he would be on a glide path. the base of the party, conservatives, are saying we will not go along with this candidate. there's a movement called never
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trump and it is based on policy agreements. they don't trust him on foreign policy and health care. then you add his personality to it and that's the problem. i don't see donald trump taking actions to heal that. these are all things that should have come long ago. he recognizes there is a problem now, but the real problem is donald trump the candidate. >> what about the poll that has just come out? now it is just one poll, but a month ago there was a three-point lead with donald trump over ted cruz. people were saying this could be the end. now an 18-point lead for donald trump. >> which looks more similar to the polls before wisconsin. to me, what is really interesting in this fox news national poll is ted cruz's national number has gone down significantly and kasich has jumped up. if that is actually happening, there is going to be a rationale for john kasich to argue to
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donors and supporters as to why he should remain in this race. do they find a way to organize together or not because they haven't been doing that so far? i will say hearing jeffrey say that donald trump is now running a regular presidential campaign all these months into this race, it is kind of astonishing. he is actually starting to put on some of the clothing of being an establishment frontrunner, bringing a team together -- we've just have never seen this before. >> what he's actually doing is going so over the top saying that the game is rigged, that the party is stacked against him, that everybody wants him to lose while at the same time he is putting in place a sharp inside team. then he would say, wow, look at this. look at what i was able to pull off despite the fact that it was stacked against me. this is the political genius we're seeing in the trump campaign. if he wins here and wins big, he gets into a situation where he
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gets to be closer to a glide path. i don't think it's going to be that easy. i don't think they think it's going to be that easy. putting together an inside time, trying to calm down some of the self-inflicted wounds, and getting into a winning pattern could do a lot for him. >> this poll shows him with 45% of the voters buying him. it is higher than his previous high, which was 41. at a time when frankly he went through that horrific week, the week of the abortion comments, the week of wisconsin, if this is accurate, that's a pretty significant move up. >> yeah, i agree. what he's been doing that's so effective he's avoided talking about any issues, right? right now he's lying ted, little marco. now he's made the enemy the rnc. he's not getting nigh policy proposals where he gets into
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trouble. he's promised he'll get into ten policy speeches. the first one is about unity. that's not policy either. he's probably going to continue to get away and continue to do okay in the polls, but he has to be pinned down. that's the challenge, really, for ted cruz and kasich, which is hard without a debate. >> there are some speeches forthcoming. >> isn't it fair to say if wisconsin happened and it wasn't in front of new york -- this is his home where he is expected to do well, then pennsylvania is next. he gets an opportunity to rebound to do extremely well. >> they weren't impacted. they remained constant in the polls that we're seeing now. it's not that he became more unpopular. i think his tweet last week summed up his state of mind.
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i'll summarize it. i'm so far ahead. i don't believe i still have to fight this hard to get the nomination. >> trump's campaign manager corey lewandowski will be on the show tomorrow. outfront next, all of the candidates going to appear in manhattan. about 300 protesters there right now. you see a lot of skyscrapers. they are wall street. clinton and sanders, and all-out war over wall street. my guest will be the clinton campaign manager. after the break, i'm headed into the debate hall for the rest of the show. we'll be right back.
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welcome back to a very special edition of "outfront."
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we are moments away from the big democratic debate right here in brooklyn. hillary clinton and bernie sanders going to be on the stage behind me. we are less than two miles away from wall street. hillary clinton's ties to wall street are sure to be a very big issue tonight. phil mattingly is outfront. >> yes, we can change the status quo. >> reporter: wall street. >> if you want a candidate who is prepared to stand up to big money interests, to take on the agreed of corporate america, the fraud of wall street, if you want that candidate, we need your help. >> reporter: a lightning rod in the democratic race as it settles on the home turf of america's largest banks. >> i will appoint regulators who have be as tough and smart as they can be when it comes to dealing with the financial industry. >> reporter: for bernie sanders, it's the very core of his campaign. he's unleashed relentless attacks on hillary clinton for
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her ties to wall street. for more than $30 million in industry campaign donations to her campaign and super pac, to accepting nearly $2 million in speaking fees from the largest banks, all attacked on the stump. >> we have shown the world that you can run a winning national campaign without being dependent on wall street and the big money interest. >> reporter: and on tv. >> how does wall street get away with it? millions in campaign contributions and speaking fees. our economy works for wall street because it's rigged by wall street. >> reporter: hillary clinton firing back. >> name anything they've influenced me on. just name one thing. >> reporter: and citing her record of reform. >> i have the best policy toward dealing with what needs to happen to prevent wall street from ever wrecking main street again. he's had trouble answering questions about his core issue,
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namely dealing with the banks. >> reporter: bolstered by a sanders interview with the new york daily news that appeared to confirm her campaign's central attack line. big ideas like breaking up the banks, but stuck on the basics and details of actually getting it done. >> how do you go about doing it? >> how you go about doing it is having legislation passed and giving the authority to the secretary treasury to determine under dodd-frank that these banks are a danger to the economy under the problem of too big to fail. >> reporter: sanders defending his plan, pointing out he's been calling for a break up of the largest banks for years. >> now i understand that wall street and goldman sachs may not like it. tough luck. >> reporter: expect attacks on
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secretary clinton's relationship with wall street early and often tonight. to hammer that home, the campaign releasing an advertisement just a few hours ago urging new yorkers, to quote, send a message to wall street with their vote in this stage on april 19th. obviously based on polling, senator sanders has a lot of ground to make up. the campaign willing to bet this is the message that can take them to that point. cl >> thank you very much. phil mattingly outfront now with me inside the debate hall. i want to get to phil's reporting in just a moment, but tonight is a crucial night. how are you feeli inin ining ab? >> we feel really good. there's no better place for hillary clinton to campaign than new york where they saw what she did as senator. this is such a great showcase for her to talk about the
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detailed plans she has to make a difference in people's lives and her record of actually getting that done. >> the new wall street journal poll clinton ahead by 17 points in new york. that's a big lead, if so. >> i ignore the polling before an election. we're really focused on getting hillary out, talking to the voters, making our case. we'll let the voters decide on election day. >> what about the national poll we just mentioned from fox news? she was ahead by 13 points a month ago. senator sanders has won eight of the nine contests that's happened. she's ahead just by two points. that drop is accounted for with a drop among women. is that concerning to you? >> i don't put too much stock in these public polls. hillary clinton is leading bernie sanders by 2.4 million votes in the popular vote. she is leading in the pledged delegates. her lead in the pledged delegates is larger than
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president obama ever had when he was running against her in 2008. so these results i think speak very clearly. hillary is winning this primary. >> her ties to wall street, this is going to come up two miles away. in our skyline shot, that's wall street. it's going to come up tonight. she was paid more than $3 million for speeches in 2013. look, it's a lot of money, robby, by anyone's account. why doesn't she release the transcripts? >> the real question in this primary is who is going to fight against these special interests for them. hillary went to wall street before the crash happened. she spoke out against the dangerous practices. she has released the toughest -- paul krugman has called her wall street plan the toughest one out there. this is the same hillary clinton who took on the insurance companies, the health insurance companies, before there was obamacare. there was hillary care. she has a record of fighting on behalf of everyday people and getting results. i think it speaks very clearly.
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>> people who say her record doesn't fully add up say her first year in the senate she supported a bill that made it harder for consumers to walk away from their debt, a bill that was opposed by consumer groups and union groups. a bill that she opposed when she was first lady. once she got in office, she voted for the banks. >> again, who went to wall street before the crash and spoke out? hillary clinton. who has the toughest plan according to paul krugman, a leading progressive economist? hillary clinton. who took on the insurance companies when it wasn't popular, got knocked down, and kept fighting? hillary clinton. so i think the record speaks for itself. bernie sanders is out there talking about special interests. i think he needs to be asked -- the nra funded the opposition to his opponent in his first run for congress. what did he do? he voted against universal background checks for firearms five times.
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so i think bernie sanders has a lot of questions to answer here in new york about his own record on special interests, particularly the gun manufacturers. >> which i'm sure secretary clinton will bring up tonight. last night senator sanders, tens of thousands of people came out to a rally. that is something i know you would love to have. her rallies are different. what will you do to generate that sort of enthusiasm for her? >> i'm proud of what hillary has already done, which is generate 2.4 million votes more than bernie sanders. she's winning the popular vote. she's winning the delegates. we can point to this, that, or the other thing. we've seen him er do some very strong events where she can talk to new yorkers. hillary clinton is winning the popular vote, winning the pledged delegates, and she's going to win the nomination. outfront next, the trump protests are growing right now outside a gop event in manhattan tonight. this is a new poll. shows the frontrunner is the
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most unpopular candidate for president since david duke. plus, bernie sanders leaving tonight for vatican city. some call it a big mistake. is he conceding defeat in new york? and the key things to watch for tonight. our expert panel will be back. they'll be with me as we count you down to the crucial debate tonight. , big things, and spur of the moment things. they are. do i look smarter? big things, yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge?
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welcome back to a very special edition of "outfront." we are live from brooklyn new york. just about an hour away from the big showdown between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. sanders going all in today with a new ad with a familiar theme, taking on wall street. >> nothing will change until we elect candidates who reject wall street money. send a message to wall street banks and billionaires. enough is enough. >> outfront now, the senior adviser for the bernie sanders campaign, tad divine. good to talk to you again.
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>> thank you, erin. >> bernie sanders is about breaking up the big banks. he struggled in an interview with a new york paper, the daily news, to talk about exactly how and the specifics. tonight is he going to come with all of the details to fight back against hillary clinton? >> he sure will. he looks forward to talking about it. i think he actually did a good job with the daily news, but you can tell with their endorsement of hillary clinton they weren't going to be nice to bernie sanders. bernie sanders has ambitions for this country. not just breaking up the big banks, but ending a rigged economy and ending a corrupt system of campaign finance, which is keeping a rigged economy in place. i think he's anxious to talk about that. he looks forward to the opportunity to do it in tonight's debate. >> so tad, i know there's all kinds of technical questions about how you would break up the banks, but we actually looked up how many people the four biggest banks employee if the united states. wells fargo, jpmorgan, chase
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bank, and citi group. would breaking them up do more harm than good with all those people losing jobs? >> no, erin, because those people aren't going to lose their jobs. we're not talking about ending banking in the united states. we're talking about ending a big banking system. now the big banks are even bigger. bernie wants us to get back to a glass stegal. it's not going to result in banks necessarily being that much smaller, but it will protect our economy from bank failure. right now we're vulnerable to it. he wants to break them up. hillary clinton doesn't. that's a big difference in this campaign. >> how do you feel about where you are in new york right now? bernie sanders has said if he wins new york, he's going to be on his way to the white house. obviously, the polls show a
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17-point loss to hillary clinton in the polls. do you think it's going to be closer than that? are you confident of an all-out win? >> listen, i think it will be closer than that. this is hillary clinton's home state. she has tremendous advantages here. independents are not allowed to vote. that's been our strongest group in every election primary since new hampshire. we saw it again in wisconsin, a very strong performance with independents. i can see hillary clinton has an advantage in her home state, but we think there's plenty of time between now and june to make up the difference in pledged delegates. we're going to work hard here in new york. i think we have a very strong close. after new york, we have five events next week and we're going to compete there. >> tad, obviously it's going to be a long night for you because after the debate bernie sanders is getting on a plane to rome to go to an economic conference at the vatican. some people say that's a mistake. if you're narrowing this, why are you leaving the country? why do you say to them? >> i say it's true.
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he's going there. he was delighted to be invited by the vatican to speak at the pontiff institute. he's going to talk about something that is very near and dear to him, which is a moral economy. he is a great admirer of pope francis, someone who understands we have to do something to change a rigged economic system. bernie is looking forward to doing that. we're not going to lose ground. hillary is going to clooney's fundraiser in california. i'm sure his speech will get a lot of attention. >> thank you very much. tad divine, i appreciate your time. let's go back to our panel. gloria borger is now with me. let me start with you. both campaigns very confident about tonight, but it is definitely going to be combative on the issue of wall street and guns. >> i think the question is who lands the first blow, and i think if i had to take a bet
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right now, i would think that hillary clinton would sort of sit back and wait for bernie sanders to go after her because he's got everything at stake here. he wants to narrow that gap. democrats give delegates to everybody. they give participation awards, as my friend david axelrod likes to say. he's going to come away with a bunch of delegates here, but he needs to narrow that gap. so i think he's going to come out. it wouldn't surprise me if he talked about her speeches. i heard you asking about that before. talked about her speeches, talked about the fact she earned a bunch of money speaking to verizon which currently has its own labor issues. i think you're going to hear sanders draw those contrasts a little bit and come out swinging. >> let's start with bernie sanders. 700,000 americans work for those top four banks. if you broke them up, they're not going to have jobs at new
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banks tomorrow. how specific is he going to be able to be about that? >> the parallel to hr-7676 is the medicare for all bill in the house. there is a huge amount of money, about $10 billion, for transition or retraining. that would be the parallel we use. that's common to do. it's been done in the defense industry. you can do that when you break up industries and when industries transition. i do want to say about the wall street -- i do think the wall street issue to people has a lot of salience because what they went through in the economic crisis. millions of people lost their jobs. they lost their pensions. hillary clinton, it's now day 69 where she refuses to release the transcripts of the speech she gave at goldm mauman sachs -- >> hold on. why not release the transcripts? >> to jonathan, just to give my retort to jonathan, i think we're waiting on bernie to --
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>> why won't you -- >> he's answering. >> why won't you release them? >> i love seeing this narrative come out. >> come on. answer the question. >> what she is doing -- she said that she would release the transcripts when every other person running for office -- >> but no other person running for office has a million dollars -- >> she should be held to the same standard as every other candidate. >> that's absurd. we're talking about the democratic primary. bernie sanders is not giving speeches to banks. hillary clinton has and she's awash in that money. >> a quick final word. david gregory, as the objective observer here, will this issue resonate for bernie sanders tonight? >> there's no question, but it's not going to be as simple as the ads and going after wall street money. he's going to have to defend a policy prescription that involves how you're going to deal with the shadow banking
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system, which was a big part of the level of risk that exploded in 2008. he has to demonstrate a little bit more mastery of detail heretofore he's been a little thinner on this. if he wants to go toe to toe, there will be vulnerability for both sides. >> and wolf blitzer. he'll press him on it. we're counting you down to the battle. we're going to take a brief break. just about an hour away from the big democratic showdown. distract you. so when your symptoms start... ...doctors recommend taking non-drowsy claritin every day of your allergy season for continuo relief. with claritin you get powerful, non-drowsy relief 24 hours a day, day after day. and with fewer symptoms to distract you... you can focus on the extraordinary things you do every single day. live claritin clear. every day.
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and we are here, the brooklyn navy yard, the setting for tonight's clutch democratic debate. going to be happen just behind where we are. we're about an hour away from kickoff. most important thing to watch for, david? >> we know bernie sanders is coming in to draw a contrast, but it's hillary clinton coming in to lower the temperature on that stage. they've been mixing it up on the campaign trail. she's trying to lower the temperature, set her sights on november, or is she looking to put a statement on this democratic process the best she can? >> if she didn't put that stake there, she'll be concentrating on donald trump, and setting the stage for the fall. they'll place a little class war fare, the war on women card, and hoping to move on to that. >> the fun part of republicans
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watching a democratic debate is to see what can be used against the democratic nominee in the general election. i'm looking for bernie to release unqualify remark, release of transcripts. that's what makes it fun for republicans. >> dploria? >> the issue of guns, the issue of immigration, and of course as you all were talking about before, the issue of wall street, and what tone they take in addressing each other. it's been pretty heated out on the trail. >> it is new york. >> i think it will be issue just today the judge in the sandy hook case allowed that case against liability for gun manufacturers to move forward. i think that's important. also, i think people are growing leery or weary of bernie's promises. they want to see how he'll implement those things, because there was an epic fae on "new
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york da ily news." he's got to get democrats to turn out. that's where he is falling behind, and can he say something, do something tonight that can help him grow his base? help him expand his support in the electorate? that will be important. not the passion, but he needs to get the numbers up. thank you all so very much. the debate beguns? just an hour from now. stay with us. we'll be back.
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thank you so much for watching. we are counting you down to the democratic presidential debate. let's hand it off to anderson cooper 360 with chris cuomo right now. good evening. chris cuomo for our special predebate coverage. i'm in for anderson cooper, of course, and we are live from the brooklyn navy yard. in just about an hour, we are going to have the cnn debate, perhaps the biggest night for the democrats in the presidential race so far. just five days from the new york primary, which is more important than anyone imagined. the stakes could not be higher. >> announcer: right now new york matters more than ever in the presidential race. >> i was so proud to be a new yorker all those eight years i represented you, but i'm even prouder today. >> announcer: the democrats