voters go to the poll ns west virginia as trump tries to clarify what he means. he says he is the king of debt. he has some surprising things to say about this country's $19 trillion debt. >> it is the united states government.

you never have to defraud, because you print the money i hate to tell you. i'm going to ask the experts. hand to hand combat in the gop as trump's race with hillary clinton heats up. the justice department takes aim over north carolina as the bathroom bill. >> donald trump, talk about the economy making headlines tonight. what will his policies really mean. here to discuss is ali velshi and rona rarufar. i feel like we are 2008? i think i was anchoring the "newsroom" in the middle of the afternoon? what happened? the dow just went down. >> good to see you back. >> we always bring good news. >> yes, you do. let's talk about this debt issue. donald trump, cnbc, late last week.

here it is. >> i've borrowed knowing you can pay back with discounts. i've done very well with that. we're in a different situation with the country. i would borrow knowing that if the economy crashed, cow make a deal. if the economy was good, it was good. therefore, you can't lose sdpchlt whether knowing you could make a deal. that kicked up a whole lot of negative headlines. what do you think? >> that's how it works in the corporate world. when interest rates go up, let's say you are in the airline, either your country is suffering or the entire industry is suffering. lenders don't know if they can get their money back. you say, i can give you 70%, 80%, if you tell me, you've lent me money. you may not get your entire money back. i'll give you 80 krenlcents on dollar. >> in the rule of government, that's not how it works. the united states is the safest bet in the world for borrowers. the idea if things go back,

maybe we won't pay it back. if donald trump were closer to the presidency, this would have been out. >> what happened to the markets? >> it is amazing he would use the faith in credit in u.s. death as a football. we are the world's reserve currency. this is junk bond market logic. you have to have money to borrow back to pay for that debt. even if it is 80 cents on the dollar. every time you do something, your borrowing costs go up. you are borrowing more money to get into debt z th. >> this morning, he said he was misunderstood. here is what he said he really meant. >> here is the story to have it corrected. if we have an opportunity where interest rates go up and you can buy debt back at a discount, i like to be able to do that if

you can do it. that's all i was talking about. >> how is this better than what he said on thursday? >> basically, this is just circular. he is trying to get himself out of saying, i kind of misspoke or what i said didn't really make sense. he keeps trying to modify it a little bit. none of it is 100% wrong. he was a guy who was involved in junk bonds. he is a guy who has bought his own debt back at a discount. now, we are talking about being the president of the united states. when you start playing with this, i want to remind you back one of those times when we were together, when the congress didn't lift the debt ceiling on time, the net effect of having done that is going to end up costing tax players many billions of dollars. if you play around with it, interest rates go up. >> this is douglas holt aiken. he said this about trump's p donald trump might get a good deal one time but the next president is screwed. you don't want to be the north korea of economics.

>> just think about the countries that have played fast and loose with their debt recently, greece, argentina. they have double digit borrowing costs. this idea you can print more money and get yourself out of debt that way is bwhat zimbabwe did. this is not a club you want to be in. it also hints at something really quite dark, which is making the fed a political entity. the fed has to print that money. the fed has always been independent. he is talking about saying, hey, the fed has to do what i say. that's a very worrisome comment to the market. >> the u.s. can print its own money. that's correct. printing your own money to pay your own debt. what's that worth? all of the sudden, the dollar would go down in value. interest rates would go up. we would have inflation. >> you put the cart before the horse. i wanted to play a sound bite first. he was trying to clear it up.

he kicked up a fuss. here it is. >> this is the united states government. you never have to defraud because you print the money. there is never a default. >> on that, he is right. there is agreement across the board. the united states is not likely to ever default on its debt. he is conflating two issues here. >> you print money and get runaway inflation. the other thing that's really interesting. usually, when donald trump makes a kind of wrong manneded off the cuff remarks, there is some political gain e talks about trade, even though his policies aren't great. you can see why they resonate with people in the rust belt that have lost their jobs. this doesn't get you voters. i can't figure out what this is about. >> it has united liberals and conservatives. when you read liberal and conservative economists and they are all agreed he doesn't make any sense on this stuff. >> are you reading my mind?

it seems like this discussion is pretty harsh on donald trump. we are beating up on him. this is not a partisan discussion. this is purely economics and how the financial system works. >> is there anything positive to say? is there anything positive to say? >> i got to be on cnn again. >> a lot of people were very excited about the idea we are finally getting to issues and we are going to talk about the national debt, which is a major issue. only to find out it is a silly circular argument. at some point if we are going to talk about this, it is useful to know where everybody stands. >> i want to play another interview. first, he proposed slashing taxes and then he said, taxes for the rich will go up somewhat and then today he said that's not the case. he is really just staking out a negotiating position. >> what i said and that really is a proposal, because we have to go to congress. we have to go to the senate. we have to go to our congressmen

and women and negotiate a deal. it really is a proposal. >> so you said part of it was junk bond but this part is sort of a real estate negotiating tactic to take to the oval office. is that workable? >> he has an interesting situation. he does not want to cut entitlements. he wants to do all of these things that a number of people have measured and reduce the revenue by $10 trillion. cnn money has a great writeup on why you have to look at this carefully. in the end, you would have to grow the economy at a rate of 16% a year to pay for everything he suggestion. we are growing it 2%. >> trickle-down xheconomics, yo idea you can have tax cuts and it is going to bolster growth, that hasn't worked for a while. the bush tax cuts of 2001, 2003 didn't bolster growth. this is conventional republican trickle-down xhix that hasn't

worked in a while. if you reduce taxes across the board, unless you clothse a lotf loop holes, you also have to cut spending. we don't know where those spending cuts are coming from. >> this is a discussion that many people have been wanting to have asround the issues. we are seeing attack ads, your husband did this and you did that. we are having this discussion about, when people ask for specifics. many people have been asking for specifics, not only from donald trump but also from bernie sanders as well. how are you going to pay for all of this? now, we're getting down to it. what should trump supporters be listening to? should they be more open to this conversation. you know they are not. most of them are not. >> i think rana makes a good point. it is not clear where he has got the point. he has developed a fiscal policy that is conservative and liberal. increase military spending and

entitlements and at least bernie sanders is on one side, tax rich people and make college education free. he is all over the map. tell me how this all works. >> he is trying to have it both ways. he seems to be going to the left of hillary clinton on trade. he is now appearing to go to the right on taxes and attack back left again. he is all over the map. there is no details about this z i am so glad we had this time together. it is so good having you both on here. thank you very much. great conversation. >> you think this race has been crazy so far. just wait, the general election is about to really heat up, donald trump versus hillary clinton. the gloves are off. wrely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business.

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no. does she have a fat ass? absolutely. >> i don't respect her as a journalist. i don't think she is very good. i think she is highly overrated. when i came out, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes -- blood coming out of her -- wherever. >> can you treat women with respect? >> i can't say that either. >> all right. you don't like that. what do you think about that ad? >> i don't like the things that donald trump is saying in those ads. how effective it will be in attacking donald trump. there are two things. we already know his disapproval ratings among women are extraordinarily high. 7 in 10 women disapprove in him. it is also an attack on donald trump's character that he is willing to use this type of language, these personal attacks, specially when it comes to women and female femininity. he attacks men. his supporters say he attacks both genders on a personal basis. if he wants to be effective in attacking hillary clinton, he

needs to attack her on her record as secretary of state, which is not all that sterling. even hillary clinton couldn't come up with her greatest achievement when asked. i would prefer for the politics to be about substance and not office gutter politics. >> bob beckel, what do you think? only the beginning of what we are going to see in a trump/clinton matchup. >> trump is going to try, i think, to patch things up with women. he used his own words to remind people. this guy has had a history of doing this. you don't expect anything is going to change. he is dealing with the majority of voters in this country are women. if you stick to where he is now. he is going to have to win 80% of the white male vote, which is not going to happen. the other thing i would say, he is playing the male card very well. he gets out there and throws this big macho thing around about women and talk bs how men have been abused. this guy is not going to get it right with women. if he doesn't get it right with women, he is not going to be

president and he won't be president. >> back to bob beckel's point, the only person who keeps talking about the women's card, is trump. she is a woman, she is a senator and she may be more qualified than anybody that has run. >> it is both good and bad. this is the year of the outsider. ted cruz doing so well. bernie sanders doing so well. his numbers are very poor among women. that's what he is going after. whether he is using the right strategy, that remains to be seen. we did ceasee these attacks in republican primary. the electorate is different. he has to get those numbers up. democrats have used the war on women card against republicans. he has tried to push back by going after bill clinton and hillary clinton at a combo deal.

you will see. fasten your seat belts. hillary clinton, very explicitly, when she has said she has a deep personal commitment to having a woman in the bhwhite house, she wants to break the highest, hardest feeling in politics and she has tried to appeal to this female solidarity. you remember what madeline albright said, there is a special place in hell for women that don't support women. donald trump is trying to push back on that. i don't think his personal attacks are an effective strategy. i want to see conservative argue thes, substantive arguments about why hillary clinton is not capable. i don't think she has the track record to be an effective candidate. >> you could say there us a consensus about how republicans feel about this. do we know how republicans are going to react in general to this particular video?

>> i think that what they would react to, they abrored what he said. most republicans, at least i talked to about this thing in iowa, new hampshire, when i was out there, were shocked by it. donald trump and hillary clinton are both known and decided by, favorable, unfavorable to 95% of the people in this country, more than mitt romney was when he ran for president in november. so it's fixed. trump is not going to be able to fix this. too much of a history. it would be nice to talk about the issues. talking about the issues means you have to talk about the issues. i don't think he knows any of them. anybody in the triad should not be president of the united states. >> amy holmes said, donald trump does well when he actually talks about issues, whether you agree with those issues or not is a different story. you just heard my panel of expert ns the segment before this, break down trump's comments on debt and taxes.

why do you think voters are unphased by the things donald trump says and according to the experts, how little he knows about economic policy? >> that's a great question. he has just been basically a trump phenomenon where he has been so teflon on a range of issues. ben carson said, donald trump needs to show more humility and distance himself from the comments he made previously on the howard stern show. that would be a good move. he could say, lis accepten, i w trying to be an entertainer. i didn't mean anything about it. if he is going to win the independent vote, this will be up for grabs, a lot of people don't like either one of them. i think he is going to have to tone it down. that's what paul ryan is going to have to say. can he do that? it remains to be seen. >> bob beckel? >> it is ridiculous.

you say he is teflon. he is teflon only among that percentage of republican primary and caucusgoers that support the guy, a relatively small sliver of americans. he is 67% negative because people have listened to the guy over the course of this pitch. donald trump seems to think when he speaks to these people in these rallies that represents america. that doesn't represent america. it doesn't represent anywhere near the majority of the country. >> he has a lot of people who support him and a lot of people show up. >> who? where? he has 10 million voters. >> more votes than any other republican primary contender in history. >> you are talking about the munchkins. >> oh, bob. >> he got more votes than john mccain and for mitt romney and actually when they had finished the election last time. >> mitt romney and john mccain went in with the republicans rallying around them. this guy is not doing that. >> i think, bob, the important

point is, if donald trump hope toss unite the republican party, which is still an open party. he said, maybe i don't need to. he needs to if he wants to become president of the united states to unify the republican party. he needs to get right on the issues with conservatives and be more substantive and more presidential, it will help him with the gop and help him with the independents that bob was mentioning. >> i tried to give you the last word, bob but you didn't do it etch. we'll be right back.

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mr. trump goes to washington but will his meetings with gop leaders thursday bring the party together? back with me now, bob cusack, bob beckel and amy holmes. bob cusack, to you first. tonight, we learned that in addition to the meeting with paul ryan on thursday. donald trump is going to meet with mitch mcconnell and other republican leaders. what needs to happen? >> they all have to get on the same panel. that will be difficult. paul ryan has suggested he is not a big fan of donald trump and both mitch mcconnell and paul ryan have denounced trump's ban on muslims. they have to get in the room and

decide how are we going to get on the same panel? paul ryan likes to talk about policies. he is going to put out this big conservative agenda in the middle of a presidential year. that's to rebut, i think, what trump is doing. this meeting could go well. paul ryan could get on board to some degree and offer his endorsement. this meeting could also go badly because i think trump is not going to be giving much to these congressional leaders that he has won the nominee. he should be respected. >> they have to get on the same panel. they have to be in the same book. for goodness sakes, we have donald trump who is flip-flopping on taxes, taxing the rich. first, he said he would go up and now down. donald trump making statements that he might threaten to destabilize the u.s. dollar, the $15 minimum wage he is considering. he is so far outside the policy playbook for paul ryan and con

offensive tif consercon serve tiffs. >> he is looking for some advanced work to get things so they can walk out and go before cameras and say, we've made great progress. the problem is it can't be made until somebody gives, trump gives or ryan and the republicans give on things they have been united with for years. i don't think that's going to happen. what do you do at this stage of the game? do you say, we're going to be for him anyway, which means you are selling out to your principles. ted cruz today is working very hard to get people to place his delegates placed on the platform committee. conservatives want to reemphasize the republican platform has been around for years and years. >> maybe bob cusack, this is why

paul ryan said, he told the milwaukee sentinel he will step aside as the gop chairman in july if trump asks. what do you think is motivating him? >> paul ryan and donald trump are two very different type of politicians. paul ryan was on the romney ticket we know what romney thinks of donald trump. ryan respects romney. this could go in many different ways. he is saying, if we can't have an agreement, i can step down as chairman of the convention. we are seeing a fair amount of republicans who are distancing themselves from trump. some are endorsing. some are very popular in their districts. i think ryan is key. if you can get ryan on the trump bandwagon at least to some degree, i think a lot of other politicians will follow his lead and respect the fact that they had a meeting and maybe he got some type of concessions. na remains to be seen. the bottom line is that politicians think about what they want to get. paul ryan needs to protect his

majority, which is extremely la large, the largest in 80 years. mitch mcconnell has a very narrow majority. that result is what they are going to do g . >> do you think there could be a compromise and how important and more importantly, how long would it last? >> first of all, i can't imagine how you can compromise on the differences. you have a big gulf here. not even in the book. donald trump came out. you remember when he won. he said nice things about ted cruz and then he was back to attack him. i don't think that donald trump has got a position in the republican party that will unify the republican party. a number of people are already saying, as i pointed out on this show several months ago, they didn't want to be his vice-president. a lot of people are not going to show up at the convention a lot of other people are going to be fishing when he shows up in their state. they can't get associated with

him. he names chris christie. chris christie as a transition guy. are you kidding me? >> i was telling don during the break, there are a lot of conservatives that are still angry with chris christie embracing barack obama before the 2012 election. i'm not sure why donald trump thinks this is a good strategy to try to bring the republican party together. one of the things perhaps that they could agree on, you have mentioned the republican party platform at the convention and some key elements of that. perhaps also for donald trump to take on some trusted and respected conservative economic and foreign policy advisers on to his campaign. that could be helpful to try to bring this together. you know what? at the end of the day, it is up to donald trump. he has been making remarks that seem to suggest it is not all that important to him. >> go ahead, bob. >> i was going to say, you really think republicans are

going to get a look. most republican economists have turned on trump and says it just can't work. >> the speaker of the house, as everyone has been saying, they are two completely different people. at least policywise. one of the things i think he took exception to were donald trump's comments on muslims. so trump told "the new york times" tonight that the newly elected london mayor, would be an exception to his ban on muslims. >> he is pivoting and he might be pivoting too quickly, dha changing positions on taxes and at the same time mitt romney didn't pivot enough. that's part of the reason why he lost. they talked about the etch a sketch. they had no strategy for getting hispanic voters. exception to the muslim policy? donald trump is a dealmaker. he is open to deals. if paul ryan and mitch mcconnell

say, hey, what if you take a look at this bill and make it part of your platform? i think donald trump will say yes. the big problem is improving his numbers among women and specially hispanics. that's going to be key. that's why mitt romney lost in 2012. >> thank you. i appreciate it. why north carolina compares north carolina's bathroom bill to jim crow. it cleans all of wendy's lawn furniture without damaging any of wendy's lawn. scotts. it's good out here.

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the justice department sued north carolina over the bathroom bill banning those from using the bathroom that does not match their birth ser. >> they are call teeing a radica radical reinterp tation of the civil rights act. >> good to have you both on. thank you for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> i want you to listen to what

attorney general, loretta lynch, said earlier today. >> the legislature and the governor placed north carolina in direct opposition to federal laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sex and gender identity. more to the point, they created state-sponsored discrimination against transgender individuals who seek to engage in the most private of functions in a place of safety and security, a right taken for granted by most of us. >> ronl injuger, i know you dis >> i am very disappointed with my former colleagues. i litigated sex discrimination cases there for seven years, including one of a landlord who was spying on his tennants while they were showering. it is astounding to say that north carolina cannot prevent men from having unfettered access to women's locker rooms and showers and bathrooms when

north carolina already allows accommodations for transgender people. they are acting to protect the privacy, safety and modesty of girls. it is politics on their part. >> you disagree, because you are leading the charge against the north carolina bill. what did you make of mr. sev. rino's comment sns. >> i completely disagree. i'm from north carolina and i know what's been going on on the ground here for the last few weeks. this bill is pure and simple about discrimination. it is about attacking transgendered and lgbt individuals who are citizens right here in north carolina. it is about fearmongering and i'm really disappointed to hear roger's comments creating fear and trying to create this hyper sensitivity about bathrooms and locker rooms when we know there is really no evidence about that. there is more danger of a child being molested at home by someone they know. this whole bathroom situation is

absolutely ridiculous. the republicans believe this was going to be their political issue to help them in november. this was their wedge issue. it has backfired on them hurting our economy and north carolina. >> what is your evidence, ronl injury? >> the people who doesn't support the bill would say, your comments about showering, it is a red herring to rile people up for your position. what's your evidence? >> sure. i wrote an article on daley signal.com. you can check it out. virginia, california, ohio, pennsylvania, maryland all have cases, including washington as well, where people have abused access to bathrooms and showers and locker rooms, men who shouldn't be in places with women and girls and have been convicted and arrested. this is a real problem that will be furthered if the doj gets its way and says men will have unfettered access to bathrooms, showers and locker rooms. there is another way. people who are transgender, and

changed their birth certificates will be given access to bathrooms of their choice. >> do you think you are calling transgender people and saying something untoward is going to happen to someone in that bathroom by bringing that up? >> not at all. we are not saying bad things about people who deal with gender disfor ya. what we are saying, there is another side to the issue. women victims of sexual assault who will be made uncomfortable and retraumatized if they see a biological male changing in front of them in the locker room. these voices need to be heard. they are not all one sided. north carolina is responding to a real issue to protect women and girls. >> they compared the law to jim crow laos and said history is on their side. do you agree with that.

>> absolutely. north carolina has had a bad past as everybody knows. we have made tremendous progress. we are going backwards. this is wrong. i disagree with what roger just said. if we want to talk about women and children being abused, look at the numerous bills of legislation that the north carolina republicans have put forward to attack women and children. let's talk about real crime and child abuse and sex abuse, which is 81% by someone that the person knows, the victim knows. it is not some stranger in a bathroom. i can assure you that you have been going to bathrooms with transgender people for your whole life. you haven't even known it and you are doing just fine. >> the facts do show, roger, that most children are abused by people they know. 1 in 6. most of them are by people they know. >> yes, they should be protected as well. this law doesn't change that at all. remember, where this came from.

this came from the city of charlotte forcing businesses to change their policies regarding bathrooms unilaterally forcing people when it was unnecessary. target went down this route voluntarily and 1.1 million people pledging to boycott target. they don't feel their children will be safe in target stores anymore. their stock prices tanked. north carolina has dealt with it sensitively allows transgender people to be accommodated and protects women and children in these sensitive areas. their interest has to be taken into account. their privacy and modesty is at stake. there are a number of other businesses that are threatening to pull out because of this particular law. those are big, big companies. financial impact would be dire to north carolina. governor pat mccurry calls the

d.o.j.'s move blatant overreach. he is demanding they clarify anti-p discrimination laws. >> i find it laughable that he has the audacity to talk about overreach when it was the north carolina general assembly that inserted itself into the charlotte ordinance, which they do have the right to do. they selectively pick and choose for political reasons to help them coming up in elections. to say overreach, that's absolutely ridiculous. he should do his job, be the leader of the state. house bill 2 has been devastating. it has put north carolina on the national map for something we don't deserve. it is affecting our economy. instead of passing the buck to someone else, let's work as leaders together and try to fix this solution. we're not going to discriminate against people. we can not discriminate against it. it doesn't matter what size of a portion of society we are talking about. discrimination is always wrong.

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the justice department and north carolina battling over the north carolina bathroom here. i am not sure if you two men have been on together. mark, we were just talking about this bathroom bill in north carolina. it is a whole lot of drama for a law that was ultimately made where many say no problem exists. >> it is a solution in search of a problem. there is no danger here. people lurking to assault children. all are excuses and pretex to humiliate and shame trans people who have to undergo social burden, critique and abuse. it is sick. >> ben ferguson, do you agree with that? >> i think this bill was actually in response to the activist community that was pushing the issue. this was not something that came out of nowhere and any of the states that are dealing with this. they are now having to respond to people that are wanting to

push this issue that are wanting to make this the next civil rights movement. we saw the attorney general today take that bait and say this is the civil rights movement when in reality, it is not crazy to say if you are a boy, you go to a boy's bathroom or if you are a girl, you go to the girl's bathroom. it is not crazy to make sure that the locker rooms are not co-ed when you are in high school, specially the showers. >> that was never law before. >> ben, you are misrepresenting the problem. the debate isn't whether boys should go in boy's locker room or p boy's bathroom. the debate is whether you are a trans girl or not. >> we can debate that. if a 16-year-old decides to become in his words, transgendered and wear clothes he used to not wear, does that mean he should be able to go into the women's locker room and change and shower in there at 16. most parents would say, no, that's inappropriate. >> studies don't say most

parents made that. >> a strongly disagree with you. show me a stat that says the majority of americans support guys going into girl's bathrooms sdplchlt wi . >> what you keep doing is misrepresenting the p question. >> asking if they favor a law requiring bathroom use by gender at birth. 38%. 57% oppose t almost 60% of people oppose the law. >> there is a difference between a law and saying, do you think guys should go into girls bathrooms? >> that's two things. you said that studies show. there was no study. you have no study. feel free. sweet t tweet the study you appeal to. >> what i said -- >> let me finish my bigger point. you keep saying boys going into girls locker room. if somebody at 16 decides they want to be a girl. that's not what trans identity

is. they were born in a body that might be different than their identity might suggest. their body parts might not reflect their gender and identity. it is not just a boy goes to a girl's locker room. >> when you think about what happen happens in elementary, junior and high school. you think someone is dwg going to say, i want to go in the girls locker room knowing the stigma that goes along with stigma. >> there are people out there, very, very few of them that are going to exploit this to their advantage for their own personal reasons. that's my concern. i am not concerned with someone who truly is going to complaining their life. they have a right to do that. if you want to go through the steps and change your birth ser, i will respect that. there are people out there that do exploit these type of situations to be able to gain access to people that they do not need to be around.

the fact is -- it is not laughable if you talk to people that have been molested. >> by trans people? >> stand by, stand by. >> let me finish. >> let me finish. as someone, ben, who has been abused as a child, it is usually by someone you know. it is usually not by a trans person. >> it is usually a family member. >> all trans people are homosexual. it is usually by a heterosexual person who knows the child. you saying otherwise is completely different than all of the research. >> marc, we know that statistically, those people, and don, those people that have access to children, specially those who are family members or close people with a family, it is easier for them to molest someone, because they have access. we also know that people do cross the line in these schools, in bathrooms and we've seen it happen before and we have seen the arrests.

>> none of them were trans. >> none of them were trans person. >> there is no reason to believe. >> can you guarantee me, marc, that if you make the rules and you change the rules where a grown man can go in the bathroom with young girls, are you telling me, you can guarantee me no one is going to exploit that? come on. >> first, ben, again, i reject and recent this idea that it is a man going into a women's bathroom. trans women are women. they aren't people dressed up in disguise. a trans woman is a woman. >> i want to talk about these photos. these are female african-american graduates. they are allegedly being investigated for holding up the fifty, which they think. people think it has something to do with black lives matter movement. is this a problem? it is under investigation.

should they somehow face some sort of expulsion or suspension? >> it is ridiculous. >> the fifst significant phis power, unity. they say you can't have a partisan affiliation. it signifies unity. >> not just black people hold up fists. >> i said black or bhwhite fist >> i do think it was a political statement. it doesn't scare me. whether it beholding up a "america america great again" sign or supporting a republican, when you wear a uniform, you are supposed to be nonpolitical. that's the rule. it is a very clear rule. if you don't like rules, don't go to west point. it is pretty clear when you go to west point, there are a ton of rules you have to deal with. the rules say you can't make statements. this was obviously trying to

make a statement. do you really believe that this picture was not talked about tonight because it was p not a statement. of course it was. >> lots of things are a statement. >> if you think there is anything a political about putting on a uniform and representing a military complex in a regime. >> this is why you should not go to west point. you agree to the rules. no one forces you. the rules say you don't make political statements. >> bye-bye. >> see you guys. if you're going to make a statement... make sure it's an intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪

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