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>> all right. it should be noted, this is not the last transmission from the cockpit. we're also getting, however, first images of debris from the airplane. i want to bring inle les abend, contributing editor of flying magazine and peter goelz is a former managing director of the ntsb. good to see both of you. we're listening to that first audio transmission. so to most of us who are not privy to this kind of
conversation between pilot and air traffic control, it sounds routine, but you tell me what it means when he says squawk number 7624 and then followed by numbers. at what stage does this kind of contact tell you they are in flight. >> you're absolutely right, fredricka, this is routine conversation with a professional colleague. what he's basically saying, looking at the screen here, is he's acknowledging a frequency change, 1-2-0 decimal 7-2-5, and he's also acknowledging the fact that they're going over to another air traffic control center, which in this particular case, it started with a "p," i don't have that in front of me, and the squawk number is the transponder code, 7624. peter will tell you the is same thing, that it's very, very
routine. this is a discreet code so air traffic control knows it's the very one they're talking to and sees it on the screen. >> so what you don't hear, you don't hear any distress, you don't hear any language that conveys that there's a problem. at this juncture, it sounds like everyone is very relaxed, meaning the pilots and air traffic control, with what is taking place. is there anything more that you can discern from this, or an absence of any particular information that you think would be important to know? >> though, this looks absolutely professional, absolutely normal. the pilots sounded in good spirits. you know, there is an emerging investigative field looking at stress analysis of voice communications and i am sure that they will take the entire communications transcript and listen to it. and they might try to apply that to it to see if there's any increased stress at any given
time. but this looks entirely normal, entirely professional, just as less said. >> and then, you know, les, earlier, we were talking about, you know, the signals that the plane was sending to the ground in terms of, you know, heat on the windshield, smoke from a lavatory. those sorts of things. and when we were talking and mary was part of that conversation, i promised that i really wanted to know a bit more about reaction time. you know, that these pilots, when something like that is happening, in this case, literally trying to put out a fire, is there time for a pilot to convey that in some manner, while they're also trying to address the problem? >> well, i would say in this instance, no, there wasn't, and the priorities were being established in flying the aircraft. what you're referring to, fredricka, are the acars malfunction messages. if you have smoke coming, you
may not necessarily be having a fire situation, but you're -- if you do have smoke in the cockpit, we are trained very intensely to operate with those oxygen masks on. and that's what we would be doing, putting on the oxygen masks, which is also, in this day and age, is integrated with a goggle, just for that purpose. so that we have visibility in front of us. just like you would when you scuba dive. but it's a very, very restrictive environment, and it's, we love the exercise, because it teaches us, in the simulator, how very difficult it is to follow a checklist and to be able to communicate. but our primary purpose is in life, what we've learned from day one of flying, aifuate, navigate, communicate, and they may not have had a chance to communicate, or what was happening in the electronics bay was knocking out the communications down there and that's where it originates. >> and we don't know the space of time between these new audio transmissions, between pilot and air traffic control, and the
acars signals that indicated something was wrong, this this plane was in distress. we still don't know exactly why and the cause of all of this. peter, any final thoughts on that, especially with that space of time between these two bits of information that we have? >> i think the acars messages perhaps indicate why the pilots were not responsive to the air traffic control handoff request that came just two minutes before the plane went into real distress. so i think les is right. these guys were facing a very serious challene, their hands were full. they were trying to save this aircraft. >> peter goelz, les abend, thank you so much. appreciate it. we'll, of course, continue to follow this angle of the story. now let's bring in cnn international anchor, becky anderson, joining us from cairo. you just spoke with egypt's foreign minister.
what are the challenges they're facing? what are they willing to communicate right now? >> yeah. numerous challenges and this is incredibly difficult. but let me just tell you through what we gleaned from the interview. on the search, i know that you've just been discussing the search that is, of course, ongoing in the mediterranean at present. he said, it isn't clear how long these searches for the aircraft will take, but that egypt is grateful. he said to me, for the international cooperation that the egyptians have received. he said it is clearly essential, now, to retrieve the black box and the data recordings, as soon as possible, to provide clues as to what happened and why. and he stressed, not least, to provide some closure for the families of the victims. we also discussed the claims of the smoke in the cabin of the aircraft before the crash. and he said while he couldn't
personally verify those claims, the information he said, was an important element in what he called a jigsaw puzzle that has to be fully compiled. so far, as the investigation is concerned. and on the issue of coordinating on the investigation, with other countries, he told me the following. >> well, primarily, it is the location of the aircraft and the ability to extract from potentially very deep waters the black box and the data recorders and we do not, i think, have the technical abilities to operate in such deep waters, where many of our partners might have the this facility, and various aspects of the investigation. and this will conform to international regulations, where all who are involved, whether it is the producer of the aircraft, the producer of the engines, which is an american company,
pratt and whitney, or the nationalities of those who have lost their life, so it will be conducted within the international rules that govern such investigations and we rely on the full cooperation of our partners in this regard. >> and the technical experts that may be willing to offer their help, you would be willing to engage with? >> of course, definitely. and there are a lot of capabilities that i think we have to take advantage of in forensic science and the ability to extract the parts and to resemble the aircraft quite a burden and an arduous job, but one that has to be taken. and i think the more that is expertise and knowledge and ability in this regard and the more collaboration, the better off for everyone to be able to come to a final conclusion. >> yeah, fredricka, i cannot
overstate how hard this has hit to egypt and the foreign minister also did caution about speculating about what these scenarios might be. he said, with respect to the families, the search continues, the investigation will be ongoing. things will take some time, but they will get to the bottom of this. fredricka? >> economically, egypt has been hit pretty hard, especially, maybe, at least since 2010. all right, becky anderson, thank you so much. let's bring in cnn's nic robertson on the greek island of crete. nick, searchers now having to deal with deteriorating weather conditions as they look for more wreckage from that plane. describe the conditions. what are they up against? >> reporter: well, they're up against increasing winds. they're up against rougher seas. you look out to the sea here. there are more white tops ton waves. the dips between the waves, the swell is getting bigger. as we've seen, the recovery so far has only found pieces of
debris that are relatively small. and remember what you're looking at on the side, we're about 100 miles out where the swells are much greater. the wind will make it much harder to see those small pieces of debris. yesterday, this was much calmer, much flatter, much easier environment for recovery. so it's going to slow it down. but what we do know from the greek air force here, of course, they've got two c-130 military transport aircraft on standby to get involved again in the search effort, is that they've been able to refine the area, about 5,000 square miles big, but smaller than they were initially looking at. this is a help. the challenge, of course, locating, really, as much debris and therefore where the plane disappeared, and therefore, the black boxes. fredricka? >> all right. thank you so much, nic robertson, appreciate that, from crete. all right, we're going to have much more on this breaking news of the first air traffic
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traffic control. so, this should be noted that this is not the last transmission from the cockpit. meantime, we're also getting some of the first images of the debris from the plane. seats, life vests, and suitcases have been found in the mediterranean sea. all right, staying with this tragic crash now, it has sparked a political firestorm on the campaign trail here in the u.s. hillary clinton and donald trump pointing toward terrorism as the likely cause, but in very different ways. >> it does appear that it was an act of terrorism. exactly how, of course, the investigation will have to determine. but once again, it shines a very bright light on the threats that we face from organized terror groups. >> what just happened about 12 hours ago? a plane got blown out of the sky. and if anybody thinks it wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks. >> let's talk more about this
with cnn senior political analyst, ron brownstein, and washington correspondent more "time" magazine. we just heard from a lot of our analysts this morning. everyone says, all options are on the table. it's unclear whether, for certain, it's terrorism. unclear, you know, if it's mechanical, although some, based on what we know, some of the analysts are leaning now more towards some kind of mechanical problem within the plane. so, ron, you first. you know, how a president handles language when something tragic of this magnitude has happened. so, what do we read from the candidate and how they handle their initial assessments? >> this is a fascinating little miniature, you know? because in politics, as in life, your strengths and weaknesses are often two sides of the same coin. you know, presidents are extremely measured in their language on issues relatingo t national security, historically.
donald trump went out, immediately tweeted, you know, this is terrorism, and then made the statement that you showed, in the tape. and for the people who like donald trump, that is a sign that here is someone who says what he thinks, who kind of breaks the fourth wall of the conventions of politics. he's a straight shooter. for those who are uneasy about donald trump's temperament and whether he has kind of the judgment, the stability, the kind of temperance to be president, i think it is another indication of, this is, you know, raising the doubt about whether this is someone you trust in the oval office, as the leader of the free world. so i thought it was just an incredibly revealing moment. and with hillary clinton, you get kind of the opposite. you know, you get kind of that steady approach, but, again, i think it really is more about whether this one -- this one is more about trump. >> and so, jay, the style differences, are these things that voters are examining closely? >> absolutely. and this has been his play, particularly, with women voters, that donald trump has done to sort of say, i'm strong, my
opponents are weak. they are going to fail you. i'm going to protect you. i'm going to be the big man. and this is certainly what he's doing now. is he's portraying hillary clinton as weak, he's portraying barack obama as weak. they won't even say the words, you know, islamic fundamental terrorists or islamic radicalism. and that's sort of been his ploy to try to appeal to women, which certainly is one of his biggest challenges in this election, is to get more women voters to like him. he's down in some polls by 50 points, in other polls by 73 points with female voters. so, things like this, i think, whether it's a terrorist incident now or not, with egypt air, or coming up in future incidents is that will more than likely come up abroad or at home, this is always going to be his ploy. i am weak, i am strong, i am going to protect you and i'm going to lead the country. >> so this is what hillary clinton said during an interview on how she assesses things. >> whether it's attacking great
britain, praising the leader of north korea, a despotic dictator, who has nuclear weapons, whether it is saying pull out of nato, let other countries have nuclear weapons, the kinds of positions that he is stating and the consequences of those positions, and even the consequences of his statements are not just offensive to people, they are potentially dabl dangerous. >> how so? >> if you go through many of his irresponsible, reckless, dangerous comments, it's not just somebody saying something off the cuff. this is a pattern. it's a pattern that has gone on now for months. >> now, that's clinton on her assessment of donald trump, that he's dangerous, and then let me read you this tweet from trump. he says "crooked hillary clinton looks presidential? i don't think so. four more years of obama and our country will never come back. isis laugh!"
so, jay, this kind of back and forth, again, we are seeing style differences in how they are critical of one another. >> it's so interesting, fredricka. because you usually have the female candidate is the one that people have questions about, can she be emotional and still be a commander in chief? can she, you know, have her finger on the button at that time of the month kind of thing? and now, it's the absolute inverse. she's being very calm, very steady, and she's questioning whether donald trump is too emotional and too unstable to be president. and so it is a very interesting inverse for role-playing in terms of genders. >> and ron, i want to get your take. we'll take a short break for now. hold your thought. remember where we are. we'll revisit it. trump, meantime, has been calling the election system as a whole rigged. now sanders is making similar suggestions. we'll talk about that as well, next. >> the establishment determined who the anointed candidate will be before the first voters got
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>> no we have received, up to now, 46% of the pledged delegates. we have received all of 7% of the super delegates. secretary clinton has 525 super delegates. we have all of 39. so she has 93% of the super delegates. and here is what is really very, very interesting and i think not a good thing. over 400 of these super delegates indicated their support for secretary clinton before anyone else was in the race. they indicated their support for secretary clinton before the
first ballot was cast. before the campaign even began. in other words, the establishment determined who the anointed candidate will be before the first voters got into the process. i think that that is a very, very bad idea. >> all right. so let's bring back our panel. cnn political analyst, ron brownstein, and washington correspondent for "time" magazine, jay newton small. okay. this is very interesting, isn't it? you've got, ron, trump calling the system rigged. now you've got bernie sanders calling the system rigged. you've got donald trump calling hillary clinton crooked, and even now, he's also, you know, saying she's heartless hillary. is it sanders and trump kind of using the same playbook now
against hillary clinton? >> yes. some similarities. let's finish the last point real quick. again, an incredibly revealing exchange between clinton and trump. it really goes to the heart of the choice voters will face. what's the bigger risk? continuity or change? clinton wants to argue that the big risk is trump is too risky a form of change. he's too erratic to be president. trump wants to argue that the big risk is continuity, basically going on the same path that we're on, basically the outsider argument. it's losing a little bit of steam as president obama's approval rating moves up to 50%. so the key fact in bernie sanders speech there was 46%. he's won 46% of the pledged delegates. that is not a majority. he has done incredibly well in this race, better than anyone could have expected. but hillary clinton leads him by 3 million votes. 18 of the 20 largest states have voted. she's won 14 of those 18. he has done very well, but he has not cracked the diversity of the democratic party, and even
without the super delegates, she would be clearly in the lead at this point. so, you know, to say the system is rigged seems awful strong, given that they've run this race and she has won 3 million more votes than he has and has won virtually all of the biggest states. >> that's what she keeps reminding him, but that whole continuity issue, which is really very big. i'm glad you brought it up. because when you talk about continuity, and donald trump is saying, obama, clinton, they're synonymous, especially when it comes to the war on terror, it was then senator obama who did not vote for the war in iraq. hillary clinton did. there's a real distinction and difference between these two people, even though say served in the same administration. somehow, donald trump is managing to make the argument that they are one in the same. is that an effective -- has it become an effective argument for him? >> it is an effective argument. >> ron on that first, sorry. >> yeah, no, look. i think that as the out party, the strongest argument is time
for a change, especially after eight years. we've only had, you know, 1988 is the only time since world war ii that one party has held the white house for three consecutive terms. hillary clinton can distance herself from barack obama in big ways or small, but she will, inevitably, be seen as greater continuity with him than donald trump represents. but, again, the difference is that president obama's approval rating is hovering right around 50%, which is much higher than we saw, for example, with president george w. bush in 2008. if it is a referendum on continuing in his direction or choosing an entirely different direction, democrats are much better positioned to fight on that ground than they were, say, a year ago. >> okay, so, jay, what do you think? are these two -- the bernie sanders, the donald trump, using the same playbook, almost, you know, their styles morphing as they go after hillary clinton. >> they are. and it is, i think, when you talk to the hillary campaign and talk to hillary supporters, that's what really concerns them right now. a lot of people will say, that she wants to give bernie sanders every opportunity to go all the way through june, the way that
she was given the opportunity by barack obama to go all the way through june, 2008. and yet, she's now fighting a dual front. she really is fighting both donald trump and bernie sanders at the same time, and that is doing damage to her. it's a very hard fight to pivot and to do both sides and so there is, you know, increasingly a number of bernie supporters. why do you have to be so sort of strident in this, if you know it's mathematically impossible for you to essentially win the nomination at this point, why are you still doing damage to the party? >> all right. jay newton small, ron brownstein, thanks so much to both of you. appreciate it. >> thanks so much. >> stay with cnn as we continue to follow the breaking news on the mystery surrounding egypt air flight 804. we have the first audio from air traffic control and we'll play more of that, next. stay with us.
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search for egypt air flight 804. the first audio transmissions from that flight has been released. it's a very small portion of audio from the pilot to air traffic control out of zurich, switzerland. it sounds relatively routine. these transmissions happened between a pilot and air traffic control regularly. listen. >> all right. experts i've been talking to say that this kind of transmission simply acknowledges there was a frequency change and that perhaps there was an acknowledgement from air traffic control that the pilot and that plane were now moving to a new
air traffic control conversation. but, also, let's note that this is not the last transmission from the cockpit. this new audio comes as we're also getting the first pictures of the debris from the airplane. seats, life vests, and suitcases have been found in the mediterranean sea. things you're seeing right there on your screen. so while clues are continuing to emerge, the biggest questions remain, what exactly happened to egypt air flight 804. this morning, the foreign minister to have france says all scenarios are still a possibility. take a listen. >> at this time, when i'm speaking to you, all hypotheses are being considered. and none is favored. our objective is doubled. solidarity with the families, but also transparency about the disappearance of this flight.
joining me right now is cnn contributor tim lister in paris. let's talk about these. another being a potential scenario. terrorism. what do we have about those scenarios and any others? >> well, let's just run through them, fred. first, as you say, the possibility of a terror attack, twice in recent months, bombs have been smuggled on to planes. it is not impossible. terror groups are constantly working for ways to beat the system. either by more and more ingenious devices or in some cases, by getting an insider to assist in getting a bomb onboard. that's one. technical error of some description, some malfunction or other. electrical or mechanical. that's a possibility even in this day and age of very advanced aircraft, there are still problems with maintenance. that happens, too. and on top of that, you've got the possibility of pilot error. we saw that, for example, with the crash of the air france flight a few years back in the mid-atlantic after leaving rio.
and finally, weather. well, i think we can probably discount weather, because all of the reports from the time of the crash were, the weather was fine. there was no conversation between the pilots and air traffic control that they needed to re-route. so that one probably can be excluded. but the others or a combination of them are very much still on the cards, fred. >> and when you say a combination, because this acars system admitted signals that there was a problem, there was smoke, there was, you know, a windshield that was hotter than usual, smoke also coming from the lavatory. so that potentially compounded by maybe even the way in which the crew reacted. those are scenarios, too, that are being considered? that kind of combination? >> those are amongst many scenarios. we've just got a couple of pieces in a jigsaw that may be a thousand pieces large. certainly with the air france flight, wrong readings on air speed were compounded by the wrong reaction by the pilots in
the cockpit. you have to remember, also, nowadays, these planes are so automated that the pilots are used to allowing the computer to do the work. when they suddenly have to go manual, they're bombarded with information that comes from all these computers, some of it's difficult to prioritize. so sometimes the pilots can be literally overwhelmed by the amount of information coming at them. we don't know in this case. but we do know that those acars messages, as they're called, only lasted three minutes. the first sign of smoke at the front of the aircraft, in the front lavatory, perhaps in the avionics set underneath the cockpit, and just three minutes later, too, the major systems just closed down. the auto pilot and the system that runs the rudders. so they had very little time to react. even so, that smoke is a symptom. what caused it? that's the biggest issue. could be anything from a short circuit to an incendiary device. >> great point. thank you so much. tim lister in paris, appreciate it. the crash of egypt air has some in the u.s. questioning our own airport security.
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it sounds fairly routine. they're talking about frequency changes and moving on to another air traffic controller. these transmissions happen between a pilot and air traffic control fairly regularly. so let's listen in. >> it should be noted, this is not the last transmission from the cockpit. we're also getting the first pictures today of debris from the airplane seats, life vests, suitcases, all of it found in the mediterranean sea. so the crash of egypt air flight 804 is raising new questions about airport security right here in the united states. cnn's rachel crane is live for at laguardia airport.
rachel? >> fred, well, the tsa is taking steps to alleviate some of these congested lines that passengers have been stuck in. they're hiring more agents. they're trying out new automated technologies. we spoke to one passenger today who did miss his flight because he was stuck in one of these lines. but he was quick to point out that while frustrated, he was okay with it, because he did think that the security protocols were effective in keeping us safe. >> reporter: the crash of egypt air flight 804 was raising questions not just for investigators overseas, but also among security officials here in the united states. >> we still don't know what happened here. we're following the investigation closely. our hearts go out to the families and friends of the people who were lost, but most importantly, it's a stark reminder that what we do is really important and we need to do it well and we need to do it efficiently. >> reporter: in recent weeks, the tsa has been plagued by consumer complaints of long
lines, hour-long waits, and in some cases, missed flights. 60 to 90 minutes is the average wait time across the country, according to an industry group. but some passengers in chicago said they waited nearly three hours and ended up missing their flights. >> we were just in security for almost two hours and ran to our gate and it was three minutes shy of the door closing. >> i got here about three, two 1/2 hours early and it still wasn't enough time. >> reporter: in a press conference friday, the agency's administrator apologized to passengers and reiterated the focus on security. >> that is the most important job of tsa. and events over the past eight months have reinforced and reminded us that individuals and groups do remain intent on attacking the aviation system. our officers understand that and they work very hard to protect you. please, please thank them for the work that they do. the long lines are not their
fault. the long lines are caused by lots of other things. >> reporter: tougher security protocols and increase in passengers ahead of summer travel season and baggages driving people to carry on more luggage are all factors leading to security line congestion. and the solution might not be more agents according to one former official. >> the whole focus seems to have been from avoiding terrorist attacks on tsa and let's add more tsa people standing around as we walk through the magnetic de detect detectors. that strikes me as perhaps not front and center of the things one needs to do. >> reporter: despite that, the tsa is added more than 750 officials this june, hoping it will bring down wait times and increase security. >> each country is different. what i want to make sure of is that we do everything humanly possible to make airline travel safe for passengers and their families that get on the airplanes. i wish we didn't have to face
this madness, but we do. >> reporter: and just yesterday, the head of the tsa urged americans to sign up for tsa pre-check. he said around 2.5 million people have already signed up for the program, hoping to get that number up to 25 million to help speed up the security process. >> rachel crane, thank you so much, at laguardia, new york. pennsylvania is traditionally a democratic-leaning state, but trump has a growing popularity there, so could he flip the state from blue to red? we'll talk with one state rep who is on the fence.
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all right. we're continuing to stay on breaking news this hour in the search for egypt air flight 804. we're getting in the first audio transmissions from that flight. it's a very small portion of the audio, from the pilot to air traffic control out of zurich, switzerland. and it is a routine conversation. just really talking about frequency. but these transmissions happen between a pilot and air traffic control very regularly, and we'll have more on it, coming up. again, that is not the last
recording of the pilot. just a portion that we have, thus far. we're also getting a picture of debris from the airplane, seats, life vests, and suitcases all found in the mediterranean sea. meantime, let's talk about the race for the white house. donald trump's republican red is starting to seep into many democratic leaning areas of the country, triggering alarm amongst his democratic opponents. trump is performing well in traditionally democratic-leaning states like pennsylvania, which has given democrats their vote since president clinton's run in 1992. president obama won just 13 of 67 pennsylvania counties four years ago, but his big win in blue counties and major cities overwhelm the republican vote. but a recent quinnipiac university poll shows clinton, hillary clinton, and trump, donald trump, neck and neck in pennsylvania. with trump just one percent behind clinton.
so let's talk more about it with democratic congressman, brendan boyle, who represents pennsylvania's 13th district, and does endorse hillary clinton. good to see you. >> thank you. good to be on, freddy. >> so congressman boyle -- i love that. my brother and sister call me that. >> i heard someone else say that. >> so how do you explain what's going on here or what some are seeing as what's going on here, which is that trump red is bleeding into traditionally some pennsylvania district blue? >> well, first, the last couple of cycles you've seen states like colorado and virginia be more of the swing states that decided the presidential election and less so pennsylvania. i think it's going to be different this year. pennsylvania, which has been democratic, but reasonably close, i believe, will be one of the key battlegrounds this year, along with our neighbor to the west in ohio. i'm confident that we're going to carry, certainly,
philadelphia, as well as the philadelphia suburbs, that have been trending democratic, but the fact is that in pennsylvania, in the western part of the state, it has increasingly become more republican as the eastern part of the state becomes more democratic. so, last election, for example, obama carried pennsylvania. he carried it by five points, which was the same margin he carried colorado. i think demographically, we're more likely to be a closer race this time around than states where you have a larger, new areas like colorado and virginia. >> so, what do you suppose is behind what's happening in, you know, pennsylvania, especially northeastern and central pennsylvania, known for its deep-rooted coal-mining history. and then it didn't help, did it, hillary clinton's comments on coal mining, which may have turned off a lot of voters, not just in west virginia, where we saw that, you know, during the primary race, but potentially now here in pennsylvania. >> well, part of it is beyond the personalities of the two
candidates. we are structurally a close state, and i think increasingly, becoming closer. so that's all the more reason why my area is in the philadelphia suburbs is so important for us to do well. in the end, i think we are going to do well and carry it, because people, particularly voters in my area, really look and study the issues. for example, i was just speaking at a senior citizens citizen not too long ago, and the number one issue that they brought up to me, believe it or not, was student loans. i met three different seniors, who were very worried about the amount of money they just had to take out in loans to help their grandkids pay for college. that is a very important issue to me, as a younger member of congress, who's still paying off student loans myself. so when i went -- >> so how is that issue on the presidential level? because everyone can relate to that. there isn't anybody who says, i yay, you know, student loans are
really high. everybody wants it down. but on a presidential level, the person who ends up in the white house and how is that going to be the linchpin of whether student loans go away or whether tuitions go down at state and private universities? help people understand why there are some voters who are hoping it's a president who's going to, you know, have the answers on that change the dynamics. >> because this issue, this issue, while it's more pronounced in a state like pennsylvania, where the second-most expensive for public colleges and universities in the country, but this is a national problem. it's not just one state. and as a national problem, it needs a national solution. so when, for example, i go on hillary clinton's website and i see that she has a very impressive plan to help with higher education and student loans, and then literally, i go to trump's site this morning, and he has zero. not one word on the subject, not one plan, nothing.
when the independent and smart, sophisticated voters of suburban philadelphia delve into these issues and look at that, that is going to make a real difference between one candidate who's highly qualified and another candidate who just isn't qualified at all? >> congressman brendan boyle, thanks so much. good to see you. >> all right. thank you. >> all right, coming up, we'll return to our breaking news. for the first time, we are hearing from the pilot of egypt air flight 804. we'll play a portion of that audio, coming up next. ze the wo. and in syracuse, where imagination is in production. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at business.ny.gov
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