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oversight fails, there is no backstop. the federal government isn't keeping them in check. >> that is it for me. i'm back at 5:00 eastern on "the situation room." newsroom with pamela brown starts right now. hello, i'm pamela brown in for brooke baouldwan. trump says this will be the most detailed address yet on the economy. as he puts forth his ideas on job and trade, many say he will pull back his temporary ban on muslims visiting the united states. we'll have much more on that in just a moment. but first a cnn political reporter sara murray is live in
pennsylvania. i understand trump is going to really push his america first concept hard. >> reporter: that's absolutely right, pam. this is a little bit of a different setting. we are on the factory floor here in pennsylvania. he is expected to deliver a more formal economic address where he essentially paints hillary clinton as not putting americans first. if he is elected he says in his first 100 days in office he'll push for concrete changes like abandoning the transpacific partnership. this is expected to be more of a media address than we are used to seeing from donald trump. one of his senior aides says this will be his most extensive economic address so far.
we'll wait to see if he has anything to say today on the latest report on benghazi. >> you said it is a more formal address. does that mean he'll read from a teleprompter? >> we do expect him to be reading from a teleprompter today. these are marks prepared ahead of time. he's consulted with his economic advisors who have weighed in on this. >> thank you so much be with . as we await donald trump's speech on u.s. economic and trade policy the presumptive republican presidential nominee also weighing in on the international side of things. drawing parallels between the so-called brexit and his own campaign after the uk's vote to leave the european union saying brits and americans alike want to "take their country back." president obama warning against jumping to conclusions saying
global cooperation including the uk is not in retreat. >> there's been a little bit of hysteria post brexit vote as if somehow nato's gone and the transatlantic alliance is dissolving and every country's rushing off to its own corner. and that's not what's happening. >> let's talk about all this with international business correspondent richard quest live in the eu summit in brussels, belgium. you just spoke with an architect of the leave movement, nigel farragfar a farage. >> he is deeply unpopular in the european parliament where he has been for the last 13 years. listening to what the president sa says, that is sounds like the sky is falling, is because both
of the sides have whipped up so much hysteria over the past few weeks. now of course nigel farage has got what he wants. when you listen to what he says about issues of immigration and those sort of things, he does sound like donald trump. or viewers in the united states who are watching now and wondering what on earth is going to happen to britain, how can britain thrive -- i didn't say survive -- i say thrive outside the yoeuropean union when the banks are being decimated and the pound has fallen 13%, 14%. >> and ftse is 12% up since its lows in february. sterling is marchal al liginall than it was in february so can we stop this nonsense about the markets. bear market since july 2014. fact. american viewers, imagine if
nafta was political union. imagine if a court in mexico could overrule anything congress did. you wouldn't like it. what we're doing in the uk, we're reasirting our democratic rights and in terms of business and trade we'll go on trading. >> you are start being to sound in some way with the similar policies to donald trump. now he admires the brexit result. he said it was fantastic. it was brilliant. do you admire donald trump in this u.s. presidential election? >> donald trump dares to talk about things other people want to brush under the carpet. what mr. trump is doing in america is very different than what i'm trying to do in the united kingdom. my problem in politics is far greater than donald trump's. we literally have lost our sovereignty, lost our borders, lost our ability -- >> he would say the same thing about u.s. borders. >> well, the problem that you've got in the u.s. is illegal immigration.
our problem is legal immigration to half a billion people. >> so you wouldn't be looking to him for too much support. on one hand he also says if he becomes president of the united states, barack obama's going to the back of the trade queue wouldn't happen. you'd be at the front of the queue. in many ways you must hope he becomes president. >> i think for the united kingdom, i think trump will be better for us than barack obama's been. there is no doubt. >> are you for hillary clinton? >> there is nothing on earth that could persuade me ever to vote for hillary clinton. >> you sure you don't want to think about that? >> no absolutely not. i mean she represents the pinnacle elite. it is almost as if she feels she has this own divine right to have that job. >> nigel farage basically his charm personified even though he is vilified on a daily basis in
this building and in the british press. i have the menu. i was talking about it in the last hour, the menu that -- it's being called cameron's last supper because it is his last council meeting after six years as prime minister. they will be feasting on quail and green bean salad with crispy dried fruit pastry triangles, poached veal tenderloin with seasonal baby veg strausws. i have no idea what a. seasonal baby veg straw is. i'm sure some viewer will tell me what a seasonal baby veg straw is but it's lost me at the moment. >> we'll have to google that. that was a fascinating interview, richard quest. thanks for bringing us that. trump's speech on jobs and trade is now less than 30 minutes away. expect more policy insights on
the horizon from the republican nominee for president. a campaign advisor says that trump will soon start calling for a different kind of ban, not against muslims but against immigrants from nations with known links to terrorism. trump's spokeswoman told our brianna keilar this will not be a change in his policy. >> well, it's only really a change if you never knew what the ban was to begin with. i know the news media has been reporting that the initial ban was against all muslims and that simply was not the case. it was simply for muslim immigration. mr. trump is simply adding specifics to clarify
what his position is -- >> i think we actually have the sound bite of one of his initial explanations of the ban. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> okay. so katrina, that was how he
explained it. >> that was a rhiline that he r from t -- read from are the policy. it was immigration policy so the context there is important. >> amy kramer who founded women vote trump and brad woodhouse, former communications dprekirec for the democratic national committee. amy, would you admit this is clearly a change of position? >> i have to listen to what katrina said. it was part of his immigration policy that he was reading. i think he is refining his policy and clarifying. i think that is needed. but at the end of the day i would say, you can look at the syrian refugees coming across the border or you can look at the san bernardino terrorist --
the wife that came in and she wasn't properly vetted. the problem is our system is broken and it needs to be fixed. at the end of the day that's what this is all about. >> is this clarifying or is this
changing his position? because he said in december that this -- he's calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. now it seems that he is backtracking from that. i think -- >> but he also said until we know what is going on. so it wasn't his intention, i don't think ever, to completely shut down all muslims coming into the states. >> do we know what's going on now that he is just clarifying it is just terrorist countries and not other countries? >> i can't speak to that because i don't think he's actually issued any policy. i think we all have to wait to see what's out there. . that's exactly what everybody's been wanting is to see exactly what his policy is. i guess that's going to be coming. then we'll be able to get into more details on it. >> brad, respond? >> well, look. i don't believe donald trump has changed at all. i don't think this is a backtracking. i don't think this is a clarification. remember the timeline. after san bernardino he read what you played a minute ago which was a total and complete
shutdown of muslims entering the country. at the time even suggested that that would be muslims that were american citizens who were traveling abroad. after orlando, he made the orlando tragedy about himself on twitter within hours and he bragged about that policy. he reiterated it in a speech later that week. look, this is not the only group that donald trump has these feelings for. he's called mexican immigrants rapists and murderers. he said he wants deportation to round up all 11 million and force them out of the country. so i don't think anybody should believe that donald trump is for anything but a photole ban on muslims entering the country. >> that's absolutely not correct. what happened donald trump wants to do is -- >> how can you say that's not correct? listen to his words. listen to what he said after orlando. after san bernardino. >> he wants americans to be sach. >> he is a racist.
>> let me jump in here and -- can you agree, amy, that he is softening his language, the hard line language he used during the primaries here? he went from saying there will be a total ban on muslims coming in to now we are hearing from our jim acosta and gloria borger that it is not about muslims now, it is about individuals coming from terrorist countries. a lot of his base supported him because of this muslim ban and other policies like that. are you concerned the softening of his language will impact them? >> what americans want is safety and security. that's the number one issue. we want our borders could be secure and for our families and nation to be secure. that's what all of of this is about. whether you are talking about the woman that came in and committed the terrorist act in san bernardino or talking about the 10,000 refugees that the obama administration is going to let in from syria and hillary clinton has said she is going to increase it to 65,000, that's a
650% increase. are you willing to risk more american lives to let those people in? they need to be properly vetted. >> so then if you can't properly vet -- >> go ahead, brad. >> after orlando, donald trump reiterated his support for a ban on all muslims. in that case the individual there was an american citizen. it wouldn't have had anything to do with preventing that attack. i think anyone that thinks that donald trump is going to change -- >> brad, there was a breakdown there. >> what's that? >> there was a breakdown between the fbi, the cia, location the authoriti -- local authorities. somewhere there was a breakdown. >> but it didn't have anything to do with his muslim ban. and he reiterated support for that afterwards even though this was an american citizen. if anyone believes that donald trump is going to change, they haven't watched donald trump in the balance of this election. >> we are waiting to see his final proposal on this.
he has not come out to lay out the specifics of this ban and banning people from terrorist countries and so forth. but brad, the argument is being made that he's changing his tune, that he's flip-flopping. but could the same be said about hillary clinton particularly when it comes to tpp? we know trump is about to speak on trade. he, no doubt, will hit her on that. what is your response to that? >> well, i don't think so at all. if you look at the history of hillary clinton when she was in the senate, she voted for some trade deals, she voted against other trade deals. she happens to be against tpp and she's reiterated her opposition to that. i don't think that charge holds any water at all. >> she was for it before she was against it. she's flip-flopped on it. >> that's not true. that's not true. that's not true at all. >> it absolutely is true. >> that is not true at all.
she worked in the administration. when she became a candidate she came out against it. >> do you think bernie sanders has influenced her at all to go against it, the bernie sanders movement and how much steam he was gaining with the populist movement? >> i don't think so. when she left the state department later on the agreement was completed. she got to read it in full and she came out against it. that is the type of thorough consideration that people should have in politics. certainly not the example that donald trump follows though. >> amy kramer, brad woodhouse, thank you so much to you both for that spirited discussion. up next, after years of investigating and millions of dollars, republicans in the house finally releasing their report on benghazi and hillary clinton's role. plus, president obama warning against hysteria over brexit. now the man who led the charge is blasting obama. hear why as we wait for donald trump's big speech. we'll take it live. stand by.
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in the san bernardino attacks. omar does not represent the family, community and murslims n the united states. terror groups such as isis and the taliban are always rejected by us. cnn has also learned neither of the gunman's family or friends attended his burial. now to donald trump who is speaking about trade in pennsylvania. >> i have to say, all of the amazing workers. gabe said they're the most important. the amazing workers. i know you've been through some very, very tough times but we're going to make it better and we're going to make it better fast. okay? just watch. so today i'm going to talk about how to make america wealthy again. have to do it. we're 30 miles from steel city.
pittsburgh played a central role in building our nation. the legacy of pennsylvania steel workers lives in the bridges, railways and skyscrapers that make up our graeeat american landscape. but our workers' loyalty was repaid -- you know it belter than anybody -- with total betrayal. our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of globalization, moving our jobs -- our wealth -- and our factories to mexico and overseas. globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. i used to be one of them. hate to say it, but i used to be one. but it's left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. when subsidized foreign steel is
dumped into our markets, threatening our factories, the politicians have proven, folks -- have proven -- they do nothing. for years they watched on the sidelines as our jobs vanished and our communities were plunged into depression level unemployment. many of these areas have still never recovered and never will unless i become president. then they're going to recover fast. our politicians took away from the people their means of making a living and supporting their families. skilled craftsman and trades people and factory workers have seen the jobs they love shift thousands and thousands of miles away. many pennsylvania towns once driving and humming are now in a state of tote it wial disrepair.
this wave of globalization has wiped out totally -- totally -- our middle class. it doesn't have to be this way. we can turn it around and we can turn it around fast. but if we're going to deliver real change, we're going to have to reject the campaign of fear and intimidation, being pursued by powerful corporations, media leaks, and political dynasties. the people who rigged the system for their benefit will do anything and say anything to keep things exactly the way they are. the people who rig the system are supporting hillary clinton because they know as long as she is in charge, nothing's going to change.
the inner cities will remain poor. the factories will remain closed. the borders will remain open. the special interests will remain firmly in control. hillary clinton and her friends in global finance want to scare america into thinking small, and they want to scare american people out of voting for the better future. and you have a great future, folks. you have a great future. these people have given her tens of millions of dollars. my campaign has the absolute opposite message. i want you to imagine a much better life and a life where you can believe in the american dream again. right now you can't do that. i want you to imagine how much
better our future can be if we declare independence from the elites who led us from one financial and foreign policy disaster to another. our friends in britain recently voted to take back control of their economy, politics and borders. i was on the right side of that issue, as you know. with the people. i said i was there. i said it was going to happen. i felt it. while hillary, as always, stood with the elites and both she and president obama predicted that one, and many others, totally wrong. now it's time for the american people to take back their future. going to take it back.
that's the choice we face. we can either give in to hillary clinton's campaign of fear or we can choose to believe again in america. very sadly, we lost our way when we stopped believing in our country. america became the world's dominant economy by becoming the world's dominant producer. you know that from right here, right in this plant. the wealth this created was shared bloroadly creating the biggest middle class the world has ever known. but then america changed its policy from promoting development in america -- in, in, in america -- to promoting development in other nations.
that's what's happening and that's what's happened. we allowed foreign countries to subsidize their goods, devalue their currencies, violate their agreements, and cheat in every way imaginable. and our politicians did nothing about it. trillions of our dollars and millions of our jobs flowed overseas as a result. i have visited cities and towns across this country where one-third, or even half of manufacturing jobs have been wiped out in the last 20 years. today we import nearly 800 billion more in goods than we export. we can't continue to do that. this is not some natural disaster. it's a political and politici politician-made disaster. very simple. and it can be corrected, and we can correct it fast when we have
people with the right thinking. right up here. it is the consequence -- it is the consequence of a leadership class that worships globalism over americanism. this is a direct affront to our founding fathers, who america wanted to be strong. they wanted this country to be strong and they wanted it to be independent and they wanted it to be free. our founding fathers understood trade much better than our current politicians. believe me. george washington said that the promotion of domestic manufacturing will be among the first consequences to flow from
an energetic government. alexander hamilton spoke frequently of the expediency of encouraging manufacturing in -- in, in -- the united states. and listen to this. the first republican president, abraham lincoln, warned that, "the abandonment of the protective policy by the american government will produce want and ruin among our people." he understood it much better than our current politicians. that's why he was abraham lincoln. i guess. ourl oran our original constitution did
not even have an income tax. it had tariffs, emphasizing taxation of foreign, not domestic, production. yet today, 240 years after the revolution, we've turned things completely upside down. we tax and regulate and restrict our companies to death. and then we allow foreign countries that cheat to export their goods to us tax-free. how stupid is this? how could it happen? how stupid is this? as a result, we have become more dependent on foreign countries than ever before. ladies and gentlemen, it's time to declare our economic independence once again. that means -- that means voting
for donald trump. i'll do it. no doubt about it. not even a little doubt. it also means reversing two of the worst legacies of the clinton years. america has lost nearly one-third of its manufacturing jobs since 1997, even as the country has increased this population -- think of this -- by 50 million people. at the center of this catastrophe are two trade deals pushed by bill and hillary clinton. first, the north american free trade agreement, or the disaster called nafta. second, china's entry into the world trade organization. nafta was the worst trade deal in the history -- it's like -- the history of this country.
and china's entrance into the world trade organization has enabled the greatest job theft in the history of our country. it was bill clinton who signed nafta. people don't remember. in 1993. and hillary clinton, who supported it, and the havoc that it wreaked after he left office was unbelievable. it was also bill clinton who lobbied for china's disastrous entry into the world trade organization, and hillary clinton who backed that terrible, terrible agreement. then as secretary of state, hillary clinton stood by idly while china cheated on its currency, added another trillion dollars to our trade deficits and stole hundreds of billions of dollars in our intellectual property.
and i've been talking about china for many years. and you know what? nobody listened. but they're listening now, that i can tell you. the city of pittsburgh and the state of pennsylvania have lost one-third of their manufacturing jobs since the clintons put china into the wto. 50,000 factories across america have shut their doors in that time. and this factory, because of your great owners, dave and gloria, it's hanging in. hanging in. . but they just told me, it's not easy. almost half of our entire manufacturing trade deficit, in goods with the world, is the result -- and it is the result
of trade with china. it was also hillary clinton as secretary of state who shoved us into a job killing deal with south korea. as reported by the economic policy institute in may, this deal doubled our trade deficit with south korea and destroyed nearly 100,000 american jobs. as bernie sanders said, hillary clinton voted for virtually every trade agreement that has cost the workers of this country millions -- millions of jobs. trade reform and the negotiation of great trade deals is the quickest way to bring our jobs back to our country.
to understand why trade reform creates jobs -- and it creates a lot of them -- we need to understand how all nations grow and prosper. massive trade deficits subtract directly from our gross domestic product. from 1947 to 2001, a span of over five decades, our inflation adjusted gross domestic product grew at a rate of 3.5%. however, since 2002, the year after we fully opened our markets to chinese imports, our gdp growth rate has been cut in half. what does this mean for mention? for every 1% of gdp growth we fail to generate in any given year, we also fail to create over 1 million jobs. what a waste and what a sad, sad
thing. america's job creation deficit, due to slower growth since 2002, is well over 20 million jobs, and that's just about the number of jobs our country needs right now to put america back to work at decent wages. wages are very low because there's no competition and they're going to go up because we're going to thrive again as a country. the transpacific partnership is the greatest danger yet. the tpp, as it's known, would be the death blow for american manufacturing. it would give up all of our economic leverage to an
international commission that would put the interests of foreign countries above our own. it would if further open our markets to aggressive currency -- cheaters. cheaters! that's what they are. cheaters. they're not playing by the rules. they're cheating. it would make it easier for our trading competitors to ship cheap sucbsidized goods into united states markets while allowing foreign countries to continue putting up barriers in front of our exports, which is what they do. it is very hard to export to their countries. they make it very difficult. we, on the other hand, come on in, everybody. come on in. bad leadership. the tpp would lower tariffs on foreign cars, while leaving in place the foreign practices that keep american cars from being sold overseas.
that's not all. mark my words. china will enter the tpp through the back door at a later date. they are watching. they are studying. they're not in it now, but they're going to be in it. if it's good, they'll be there. by the way, if it's no good -- they'll pass. same way. always is. the agreement would also force american workers to compete directly against workers from vietnam, one of the lowest wage countries on earth. not only will the tpp undermine our economy, but it will undermine our independence. that's what's happened. the tpp creates a new international commission that makes decisions the american people are no longer given the right to veto. these commissions are great for hillary's wall street funders who can spend vast amounts of money to influence the people on the commissions and the outcomes. it should be no surprise then
that hillary clinton, according to bloomberg, took a leading part in drafting the transpacific partnership. please remember that. especially in november. she praised or pushed the tpp on 45 separate occasions and even called it the gold standard. hillary clinton was totally for the tpp just a short while ago. but when she saw my stance, which is totally against, she was shamed into saying she would be against it, too. and i will tell you, it was the same shame that she had recently where she was sort of forced into saying radical islamic terrorism which she didn't want to say but she was shamed into
that one. but have no doubt that she will immediately approve it if it is put before her. and that is guaranteed. guaranteed. she will do this just as she has portrayed american workers for wall street and throughout -- throughout her career. her whole career. she has betrayed the american worker. she's trying to put on a good front now. she will betray you again. her career and her husband have signed so many disasters and never, ever forget nafta. just never, ever forget it because you know what it's done and i know what it's done. and in touring, i've seen the devastation that it's left behind. here's how it would go. she would make a small token change, declare the tpp pact
fixed and ram it through, and you will suffer. that's why hillary is now only saying she has problems with tpp in its current form. that means they'll make a little two-word change. she'll fix it and she'll feel great. but she says in its current form. she can rush to embrace it again and she will at the earliest opportunity. if the media doesn't believe me, i have a challenge for you -- and hillary. ask hillary if she's willing to withdraw from the tpp her first day in office and unconditionally rule out its passage in any form. there is no way to fix tpp. we need bilateral trade deals. we do not need to enter into another massive international
agreement that ties us up and binds us down like tpp does. a trump administration will change our failed trade policies. and i mean quickly. thank you. here are seven steps i would pursue right away to bring back our jobs. number one -- i am going to withdraw the united states from the transpacific partnership which has not yet been ratified. i'm going to appoint the toughest and smartest -- and i know them all -- trade
negotiators to fight on behalf of american workers. i'm going to direct the secretary of commerce to identify every violation of trade agreements a foreign country is currently using to harm you, the american worker. i will then direct all appropriate agencies to use every tool under american and international law to end these abuses. and abuse is the right word. number four. i'm going to tell our nafta partners that i intend to immediately renegotiate the terms of that agreement to get a
better deal by a lot. not just a little. by a lot. for our workers. and if they don't agree to a renegotiation -- which they might not, because they're so used to having their own way. not with trump. they won't have their own way. and i will submit, under article 2205 of the nafta agreement that america intends to withdraw from the deal. number five. i'm going to instruct my treasury secretary to label china a currency manipulator. which should have been done years ago.
any country that devalues their currency in order to take unfair advantage of the united states -- which is many countries -- will be met with sharply. and that includes tariffs and taxes. number six. i'm going to instruct the u.s. trade representative to bring trade cases against china, both in this country and at the wto. china's unfair subsidy behavior is prohibited by the terms of its entrance to the wto, and i intend to enforce those rules and regulations and basically i intend to enforce the agreements from all countries, including china.
seven, if china does not stop its illegal activities, including its theft of american trade secrets, i will use every lawful -- look, in is very easy. this is so easy. i love saying this. i will use every lawful presidential power to remedy trade disputes, including the application of tariffs consistent with section 201 and 301 of the trade act of 1974 and section 232 of the trade expansion act of 1962. and when they say trade expansion, they're talking about other countries. they're not talking about us. because there is no expansion. they get the expansion, we get the joblessness. that's the way it works. no the going to happen anymore.
president reagan confronted similar trade measures when semiconductor imports threatened u.s. industry. i remember. his tariff on japanese motorcycles was 45% and his tariff to shield america's semiconductor industry was 100%. and that had a big impact, folks. a big impact. hillary clinton and her campaign of fear will try to spread the lie that these actions will start a trade war. we already have a trade war and we're losing badly. badly. she has it completely backwards. hillary clinton unleashed a trade war against the american worker when she supported one terrible deal after another, from nafta, to china, to south korea. it doesn't matter. no matter where she went, the
american worker was hurt. and you will be hurt worse than ever before if she becomes president of the united states. that i can tell you.a trump adm end that war by getting a fair deal for the american people and the american worker. the era of economic surrender will finally be over. it will be over. you're not going to see it anymore. hello. i can't guarantee it because after me, they'll probably start doing it again but we will have four and maybe eight great, great, great productive years and we'll never go back and we'll make sure we never go back.
thank you. thank you very much. thank you very much, everybody. i appreciate it. >> a new era of prosperity will finally begin. america will be independent once more. independent once more. doesn't that sound great. under a trump presidency, the american worker will finally have a president who will protect them and fight for them. we will stand up to trade cheating. cheating. cheaters. that's what they are. cheaters. we will stand up to trade cheating anywhere and everywhere it threatens the american job. we will make america the best place in the world to start a business. we'll hire workers and we'll
open factories and we'll get rid of these horrible regulations that make it impossible to do business in this country. this will also include massive tax reform to lift the crushing burdens on american workers and businesses. we will also get rid of all of these rules and all of these problems and all of the bureaucracy which are destroying -- absolutely destroying our job creation capacity. which we used to be the best in the world, and now we are getting close to the bottom, folks. we're getting close to the bottom. many many people think that these regulations are an even greater impediment than the fact that we are one of the highest taxes nations in the world. we're also going to fully capture america's tremendous energy capacity.
this will create for our workers -- that's what we want -- for our workers growth for our economy and begin reducing our budget deficits which are massive. yearly budget deficits -- massive. our trade deficits, we don't even want to talk about it. our budget deficits are massive. hillary clinton wants to shut down energy production and shut down the mines -- and she wants to shut down -- and she said it just recently, she wants to shut down the miners. i want to do exactly the opposite. [ applause ] a trump administration will also ensure that we start using american steel for american infrastructure. [ applause ] and aluminum.
[ cheers and applause ] just like the american steel from pennsylvania that built the empire state building, it will be american steel that will fortify america's crumbling bridges. american steel. it will be american steel -- it will be american steel that sends our skyscrapers soaring, soaring into the sky. a beautiful sight. more beautiful with american steel. it will be american steel that rebuilds our inner cities. it will be american hands that remake this country and it will be american energy mined from american resources that powers this country.
it will-american workers who are hired to do the job. nobody else. american workers. we are going to put american steel, and aluminum, back into the backbone of our country. this alone will create massive numbers of jobs, high-paying jobs. good jobs. not the jobs we have today. which everybody agrees are bad jobs. we're going to create massive numbers of good jobs. on trade, on immigration, on foreign policy, we are going to put america first again. we are going to make america
wealthy again. we are going to reject hillary clinton's policy of fear and her policy of absolute nonsense because it's not working and it's grocery incompetent and we can't take it any longer and we're not going to take it any longer. we are going to embrace the possibilities of change. but real change. not obama change. real change. it's time to believe in the future. it's time to believe in each other. it's time to believe in america again. this is how we are going to make america great again for all americans. for all americans. [ cheers and applause ]
we're going to make america great again for everyone, greater than ever before. and i promise you, if i become president, we are going to be work og aga working again. we are going to have great jobs again. you are going to be so happy. you are going to be proud of your president. you are going to be proud, proud, proud of your country once again. thank you. i appreciate it. thank you very much. i appreciate it. thank you. thank you very much. >> you just heard donald trump attack hillary clinton on the economy speak being from an industrial plant near pittsburgh. i have a team of reporters and analysts standing by. but starting with chief political analyst gloria borger -- this was build as his most detailed economic speech yet. with a is it? >> yeah, i think it was. it was a seven-point plan in which he said very clearly that he intends to withdraw from the tpp and he challenges hillary clinton to say she will do so.
he will try and renegotiate nafta but if he can't he will withdraw from nafta. he will impose tariffs on unfair trading partners, including china which, as you know, hillary clinton says and others say would result in a trade war. so i think this was a seven-point plan as he laid out very clearly and it was clearly meant to appeal to those working class white voters in the state to which he was speaking, which is in pennsylvania, who feel like they have avenue been left behind this economy, whose wages have been stagnant. this is a grievance, as you know, that unites not only those on the right, but those on the left who supported bernie sanders. >> david, what do you think? was he effective in selling his populist message? >> i'm the no one to give advice
to presidential candidates. they have a team of advisors to do that. if i were, i would say donald trump should deliver this speech every single day from now through november. this is the core of where his support came from, tapping in to the economic anxieties of the modern globalized economy and what that has meant for some americans here at home. this is the driving force behind the trump phenomenon that we've seen throughout the last year and he gave it big voice today. obviously hillary clinton is a totally different economic world view as gloria pointed out. she thinks tariffs would be a trade war. they can debate those policies bab and forth and they can each line up experts to explain why they are right. but this is donald trump's core message that's been working for him and he's clearly retooled himself to focus on this and of course, as gloria noted, you can't look past where he's doing
this. this is a county mitt romney won with 61% of the vote. this is exactly the kind of place in a state like pennsylvania where if donald trump is going to successful alter the electoral map and get to 270 electoral votes, it is because he will awaken and create enthusiasm among voters in a place like where he is in pennsylvania today. >> corey lewandowski, you just left the trump campaign as manager. do you think he accomplished what he hoped to? >> i think this is mr. trump's best speech of the presidential cycle candidly. this is right on message, his core message of putting americans first. this is about brig jobs back to america. this is making a clear difference between him and the clinton campaign and challenging the clinton campaign who have supported the tpp on 45 different occasions to step forward. the afl-cio is against tpp.
these are the kind of people donald trump will bring into the republican party to bring success to states like pennsylvania and ohio. he's on his way to a county in ohio, a blue collar area hit hard by bad trade practices, by nafta, by tpp. used to be the heart of the steel industry. this is a very, very strong message for him. the best speech he's given all cycle. >> who writes his speeches? does he? does someone else and he makes tweaks? bring us behind the scenes of how this goes on. >> this is a particular area where mr. trump has a lot of experience understanding how bad trade deals have affected our country, understanding what job creation is all about. . these thoughts are predominantly his. there are tweets from additional members of the team. at the end of the kay day he des what goes into the speech and what doesn't. it is a clear difference from a
businessman's perspective. this is a winning issue for him all day long. >> his use of teleprompter, when did this change? did he fight it at all? >> no. look, when you're making a speech as detailed as this and laying out a seven-point plan and citing specific rules within that plan of how to withdraw from the tee pp the tpp or nafta, citing bill clinton's support of nafta since 1993, you want to make sure all the facts are right. that's why the teleprompter was used to. again the best speech of the campaign so far. >> dana bash, it was interesting our trump framed hillary clinton as running a campaign of fear. that seems like a relatively new tactic. >> it does. but i think broadly, pamela, i'm in the capitol right now and you could almost hear republicans here exhaling.
not because all republicans agree with him on trade. this issue is split on republicans and democrats on whether free trade is a good idea as george w. bush did or whether the mosh populist wing should prevail obviously led now by donald trump. but just the fact that he gave such a detailed, such a cogent policy, pure policy speech on an issue that is his sweet spot. there is no doubt about it. is exactly the kind of thing that republicans have been begging him to do. not insult people. not kind of give the kind of -- frankly, the kind of speech that a lot of his supporters love for him to give. the other behind the scenes color here i could give you, something that we have not seen, never mind getting prepared remarks which we did as reporters but also prepared remarks with detailed footnotes, citations from where he's getting these facts and figures.
a new trump campaign. >> we've heard the other panelists say this was his best speech to date. it was clear, concise. how concerned should the hillary clinton camp be? >> not very. i think the fact is that you believe what trump is telling you requires for you to completely ignore his life's work and actually not to shock people but corey and i actually agree on one point -- donald trump knows a lot about this. donald trump attacked folks for outsourcing, yet almost all of his products are made in bangladesh, china and mexico. donald trump said that the most important thing that we need to do is build america's infrastructure with steel, but donald trump left out that he redesigned an entire building in order to avoid using pennsylvania steel. and lastly, he talks about cheaters. well, donald trump we know has at least in four years not paid any taxes. cheating the american people. so for all the talk about
protecting american workers, the last person i would want protecting people like my family is donald trump. >> let's look at this tweet that hillary clinton just put out. it says trump speak egg aboing outsourcing right now. here's one of his shirts, made in bangladesh. his ties were made in china. corey lewandowski, how do you respond? >> trump, the businessman, is somebody who wanted to make sure he had an obligation to his family and business to make the best profits available. that's different than trump the president. what he's talking about now is bringing american jobs back leer. it is very different when you're in the private sector. when you are in the private sector you have an obligation to your family and company to grow the company and provide good wages. that opportunity was such where he had to go and find a product because he couldn't get it manufactured here in the united states. that's very different than being the chief executive officer of our country and bringing those jobs back here. >> corey, his whole argument is he is a businessman.
>> ali, go ahead. >> corey's point is he is a businessman so that's the experience he will use in his presidency. i want to point out a few inaccuracies. president reagan in four times in eight years brought in trade restrictions and all times they were temporary. the nafta agreement between canada and mexico was negotiated and put through by president george h.w. bush. he tried to fast track it before his term ended in january of 1993 and he couldn't do it in time which is why bill clinton had to pick it up. bill clinton added two side notes to that deal to add protections for u.s. workers. and his seven-point plan is a four-point plan because he divided china into three points and he divided other trade manipulations into two points. he wants to pull out of the tpp which by the way is supported by the majority of republican congressmen in congress. so there are a lot of things about this. if this is indicative of the type of policy speech he's going to be delivering, we are in for
a very boring four, five months if this is the best. and people who check facts are going to be very, very busy. >> hillary clinton has no plan. she supported the tpp 45 different times. now the aflcoi all of a sudden is against it. now she's trying to change her position pendant her husband signed nafta. it's been a terrible trade deal. 69,000 jobs have gone by the wayside. >> because of productivity -- corey, you know that -- bottom line, it is up on every measure, manufacturing, as it is in germany with being and in china because robots are used to put your iphone together. >> i want to go to another point that donald trump made when it
came to hillary clinton. he basically said he forced her hand when it came to trade based on what she said a few years ago about tpp and what she's saying now. let's listen to what she said in 2012. >> this tpp sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparency, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. >> guy, who forced her hand? did donald trump have any role in it? >> no, bernie sanders did. no. the fact is throughout this entire process one thing hillary has been consistent and clear about is that she wanted the tpp process to protect workers' rights and provide a level playing field for the american field. corey keeps talking about the afl-cio as if they should be the arbiter. the fact is, they have endorsed hillary clinton, not donald trump. in every measure when you look at this speech, you look at the
history of donald trump's experience, his business record, all of the padlem he's been spreading, he's not on the side of workers. donald trump fails to pay his workers hundreds and thousands of contractors and individuals who are never paid by donald trump after they completed their jobs. this is not just about trade. . is about the character of a person who in no way, shape or form is looking out for the american worker. he is looking out for donald trump. trump enterprises. scottish golf carts. whatever else he is talking about peddling as a part of this campaign. >> just to be clear, before we go to you, corey, listen, guy. i want to clarify, guy. you said that donald trump didn't force her hand but that bernie sanders forced her hand on tpp? >> i said that. yeah. i don't think you heard that coming from me. >> that came from me. it was in the middle of the
primary campaign. donald trump was not the factor in the whole thing. bernie sanders was. hillary clinton did flip-flop on that but that's something donald trump -- >> guy, your reaction to that then. >> i think the fact is that donald trump pretended to lay out hillary clinton's comprehensive trade record. when hillary was actually given the chance in her own right as a united states senator she voted against trade agreements. she has a measured approach to this quarterback ma make sure we protect american workers and jobs, providing a level playing field for american products. she opposes tpp because in the final form it failed to meet those standards. that continues to ignore the fact that donald trump has built his entire career by outsosurcig jobs. not by building american companies. he wasn't in pennsylvania making ties. he wasn't in ohio vecdeveloping
shirts. he was in bangladesh, kleichina mexico. >> how much will this debate resonate with voters going forward? >> i think it is at the center of the campaign as david was saying earlier. i think what donald trump was trying to do in his speech today was portray hillary clinton as a member of the financial elite who believe in globalism, who don't care about american workers, and trying to portray himself, because he needs these rust belt workers, he needs the white working class voters in a state like pennsylvania, in a state like ohio. and to say to them, i will make your life better, and in the end, that will be good for your pocketbo pocketbook, it will be good for wages, it will be good for manufacturing in this country. you have a debate that is black and white here. although hillary clinton has moved on the tpp.
she did say it was the gold standard. i do believe and i agree with ali that it was bernie sanders' populist campaign who pushed her on that issue and who pushed her on trade. and it is a grievance that unites the right and the left. i think this is going to be at the center piece of the campaign. when you talk about income inequality and when you talk about a way that make sure that american workers earn better wages. two vastly different solutions from two vastly different politicians. >> i want to go to the sound bite -- david, go ahead and jump in. >> we mentioned bernie sanders a couple times here. i want to mention, remember, she's still -- hillary clinton is still sort of getting hit by the left on this. . bernie sanders is trying to create a fight over the democratic party platform to get opposition to the tpp firmly in there. if you -- i was like looking up as donald trump was speaking about hillary clinton's past
support of china going into the wto or her support for nafta the way that donald trump cited those two what he called clinton legacy items. the sanders campaign brought those two things up repeatedly during the course of this campaign. she's now sort of getting this from both sides. >> dana? >> it is almost as if for her on this issue her primary fight hasn't ended because she is having, as david said, the same exact policy argument. she's just doing it ironically with her republican opponent who is to the left of her in many ways, though i'm sure guy would disagree with me, though to the left of her at least rhetorically on this issue, just as bernie sanders was. it is not something we are used to seeing in general elections where republicans in recent years have tended to be more free trade. one thing i want to add is whether or not people kind of seize on to guy's argument that, yes, he is saying that is he for the worker but he makes his own
materials in china and other places abroad and outsources, or whether or not his argument that he is for the american worker, whichever one of those really seizes the day is going to be i think the telltale sign for who succeeds here. that's why you see hillary clinton and her supporters like guy trying to define him early as someone who doesn't mean what he is saying. actions don't underscore and sort of belie what he is arguing rhetorically. >> an interesting discussion. gloria, we have to take a quick break but we'll come back with all of you to talk more about trump's speech and what he had to say about brexit. we'll be right back. stay with us.
breaking news now. take a look here. anti-brexit protests breaking out in london right now, this as donald trump just touted his position on the vote. let's take a listen. >> i was on the right side of that issue, as you know, with the people. i was there. i said it was going to happen. i felt it. while hillary, as always, stood with the elites and both she and president obama predicted that
one and many others totally wrong. >> the leader of the brexit campaign also just spoke about donald trump and hillary clinton to our own richard quest. here's what he had to say. >> our viewers in the united states who are watching now and wondering what on earth is going to happen to britain. how can britain thrive -- i didn't say survive. i say thrive -- outside the european union when the banks are are being decimated in the share price and the threats are being very severe and the pound has fallen 13%, 14%. >> and the ftse is up 3% today. sterling is marginally lower than it was in february. so can we stop this nonsense about the markets? the pound has been in a bear market since july 2014. fact. now, american viewers, imagine if nafta was a political union. imagine if a court in mexico
could overrule anything congress did. imagine if you had free movement of people with mexico. you wouldn't like it. in the uk we are reasserting our democratic rights. in terms of business and trade we'll go on trading. >> you are starting to sound in some way with the similar policies to donald trump. now he admires the brexit result. saying it was fantastic, it was brilliant. do you admire donald trump in this u.s. election? >> donald trump dares to talk about what other people want to brush under the carpet but what mr. trump is trying to do is very different from what i'm trying to do in the united kingdom. we have literally lost our sovereignty. lost our borders. lost our ability -- >> he would say the same thing about u.s. borders. >> well, the problem that you've got in the u.s. is illegal immigration. our problem is legal immigration to half a billion people. >> so you wouldn't be looking to
him for too much support. because on one hand he also says if at the becomes president of the united states, barack obama's going to the back of the trade queue wouldn't happen. you would be at the front of the queue. so in many ways you must hope he becomes president. >> i think for the united kingdom i think trump will be better for us than barack obama has been. of that there is no doubt. >> or against hillary clinton or you are not going to take sides a the this early stage? >> there is nothing on earth that could persuade me ever to vote for hillary clinton. >> you sure you don't want to think about that? >> no, absolutely not. i mean she represents the pinnacle elite. it is almost as if she feels she has some sort of divine right to have that job. >> first to you, ali velshi. donald trump said he was on the right side of the brexit issue. but at the same time we are seeing who you this has impacted world markets. we know the uk's credit rating
has been downgraded. could this backfire for donald trump? >> i think it depends what happens after brexit. one reason we've seen such turmoil in stock markets is because nobody actually knows what happens next. does the uk come apart. does anyone else try and get out of the eu. how are they going to negotiate. i wouldn't -- if i were donald trump i'd keep a little bit of space between me and talking about how great or bad brexit is. i think the issue though is that he is tapping into a concern about globalization which was certainly a part of the leave campaign in britain and it certainly is a part of the concern that americans have with their trade deals, initially with free trade with canada, now nafta, tpp. the idea is if you are in a rich country with high wages and you get into trade agreements into countries with lower wages, there tends to be some loss of jobs. there is a valid frustration. now that doesn't mean globalization is entirely broken. when he talks about jobs lost to manufacturing, some of our jobs have been lost to globalization.
most of them have been lost to technology gains. that's something he's not really prepared to talk about. in germany they address that very well. i think there is an underlying fear of these trade deals and what they do to workers, high-wage workers in industrialized countries that it would be rise wise for are hillary clinton to try and get her head around and provide an answer to. nobody is really able to answer that very well. gdp goes up with be corporate profits go up when you get into these trade deals but working class wages and manufacturing wages tend not to. >> corey, i should say that the dow is up big today after a few rough days. will trump continue touting his endivororsement of brexit come september, october? >> 17.4 million people voted in a binary decision to get out of the european union because they didn't feel they controlled their own destiny anymore.
in the united states you have a broken washington where people in the heartland don't think they have control over their destiny. we've seen waste, fraud and abuse time and time again. the last "wall street journal" poll, if you ask who will fundamentally bring change to washington, 56% of the people say they want fundamental change and 60% of those people want donald trump to be president because they know he is the only one who is going to change the system. i think that's what you saw in europe and in the united states. >> he really used brexit to draw a stark line. he said hillary clinton puts other nations first. how effective was that? >> i think the larger question is who has the plan to actually move the country forward and to address the economic insecurity and anxieties that people feel who has a plan to build infrastructure, to reeducate our workers, to develop a manufacturing base, to implement a new technology platform to expand opportunity for people ayos the country.
and on every demonstrable measure hillary clinton has a plan and donald trump has words. so i think at the end of the day it will ultimately accrue to hillary's benefit because she directly addresses in real terms the challenges that people are facing. >> pamela, i think that trump's speech today, as he called it a declaration of american independence? is a clear reference to everything that's gone on in britain in the past days. he's clearly building upon that and building upon this notion of the working class rising up against the elites, taking their country back, taking trade back. i would also point out that while we've been talking about this, my colleague points out that the united states chamber of commerce, known as a republican stalwart here, tweeted under trump's trade plans we'd see higher prices,
fewer jobs and a weaker economy. this is from a generally republican organization, establishment organization, tweeting against the republican nominee on a major piece of economic policy. that's something i don't think we've seen before. >> i have to get to breaking news. i thank the six of you. . there are two explosions at the airport in istanbul. stand by for that. up next, anti-brexit protests breaking out in london. a quick break and we'll be right back. you both have a perfect driving record. >>perfect. no tickets. no accidents... >>that is until one of you clips a food truck, ruining your perfect record. >>yup... now, you would think your insurance company would cut you some slack, right? >>no. your insurance rates go through the roof. your perfect record doesn't get you anything. >>anything. perfect! for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates
breaking news. word of two explosions and multiple injuries at the istanbul national airport. dia diana in london for us. are you there? we're waiting to get in touch with diana. ali velshi, i know you are familiar with this airport. what can you tell me about it? >> it is the third biggest airport in all of europe. it is on the european side of istanbul. only london and paris are busier airports. i think about 60 million passengers a year go through it -- very much like emirates made dubai a hub for traveling internationally.
turkish airlines has made that airport into that sort of hub. many times when you go to points east, whether in the middle east or asia, istanbul has made itself into a haub. as a result it has a very high r profile. there is high-end shopping, all of the major european and american brands are in the airport. it is every shape and color around size of people and international dress that you've ever seen. what turkey is to asia and europe and the middle east, this very mixed place, this airport is really an international hub. it is used by business people and diplomats from all over the world. as you know, turkey has now -- this is probably the third major -- i may be getting it wrong, but about the third major attack in istanbul this year. this place was considered very safe and under good government control. turkey has two things going on.
it is fighting isis, though a little bit tepidly, but it is really fighting the kurdish independence movement in that country, and those are people who have been targeting the government. so most of the attacks -- don't know what the evidence is but the government tends to blame on kurdish separatist movements in turkey which has succeeded in making this tourist haven a difficult and dangerous place to go. this harpt airport though is a very secure environment. i've traveled there sometimes a couple times a year. it is very surprising to see there would be something that involves multiple injuries at that airport. but it is, just to keep in mind, the third biggest airport in all of europe. it is bigger than frankfurt. >> that puts it in perspective. these are our first pictures and video in of the aftermath of these two explosions that caused multiple injuries there you see ambulances, people standing around obviously looking
distraught. bob, when you hear this, the third biggest airport in europe, in istanbul, we're hearing about two explosions, multiple injuries, what comes to mind for you? >> well, right now i'm looking at the islamic state. simply because there's been so many attacks in the last few days. there was one in yemen particularly devon stating. there's been several in lebanon. then you have the islamic state. it's also been after jordan was attacked, a border post. over 12 jordanian officials were killed. we'll have to wait and see what the turks say. it could be the kurds at this point but turkey is really in the sights of both the kurds and the islamic state. >> ali says this is considered a very safe place. there is tons of security around for travelers. how surprising is it for you that they were able to pull this off, whoever was behind this?
>> well, i think what we have to face is that hiding explosives is fairly easy, as well as the detonators. and anybody who is sophisticated at it, especially suicide vests, or even in suitcases, can get this. the best security in the world cannot stop this stuff, especially in the departure lounge. >> it brings to mind what happened in belgium at the airport there with the explosions going off where people were checking in for their flights at the counter. there are vulnerable soft spots in airports that just can't be avoided. how do you protect those areas? >> ultimately you can't protect them. you have to -- well, maybe in tel aviv what they do is the initial security they do a name check and they do a pretty good search way outside the airport on the approaches to the airport. it is extremely cumbersome and
the israelis have a lot of experience of countering airport attacks. but for the united states, for europe, we're just not that advanced. also, just of the size of these airports, especially istanbul, make it very, very difficult. >> we are just getting cnn's ivan watson to join us. he is based in istanbul. ivan, what can you tell us? >> well, it is an attack on istanbul airport. it is going to be another attack on turkey's suffering tourism industry which has been hit very hard by the violence, both isis and by the kurdistan workers party, or pkk. this is an airport that i traveled in and out of probably hundreds of times over the 12 years i was based in istanbul. it had a police checkpoint at the entrance to the airport compound, and then it had a row
of security and metal detectors just to get into the departures or the arrivals halls. so there was a second ring of security there that people had to go through and put their suitcases out on to metal detectors and have suitcases and their broad dybody searched. so if there has been in fact some kind of explosion -- which some of the photos emerging on social media are showing. we can't confirm that at this stage. then it will be yet another very serious blow to a country that had positioned itself as a kind of international gateway link g linking. >> we know the kurdish separatist movement has been responsible for attacks there. obviously isis is a big concern. what is the landscape like
there? >> the turkish government has been fighting essentially two terrorist groups, two armed groups, simultaneously. both isis, which has carried out some horrific mass casualty attacks in turkey, numbers that we really haven't seen elsewhere. more than 100 people killed in a series of bombings in arrannkar. meantime, the war that the turkish state has been fighting against, armed kurdish movement -- that's a war that goes back some 30 years -- has very much intensified over the course of the last two years where you have entire cities and towns in the southeast of the country that have been blockaded and bombarded with government artillery. and the pkk has been lashing back. the war that was largely kept in
the countryside in previous decades has been erupting in the biggest city in the country, in istanbul, which has perhaps the largest single concentration of ethnic kurds in the whole country. so this is a major, major security challenge for turkey right now. two armed groups, determined enemies, that have carried out attack after attack against soft points throughout this country. >> at this point again we do not know who is behind this. but bob behar, why should people in the united states be paying attention to this right now? how does it affect us? >> well, ultimately we are the target. i think the fact that this is ramadan, that we haven't been attacked suggests the islamic state does not have networks here which is the good news. but i think what we also have to
understand after orlando is how vulnerable places are like night clubs, airports and the rest of it. and also just the fact that this conflict in the middle east is sort of lapping at our shores. two take a who are ren lhorrend effort and money to protect our public places. even then, the worries of the police is they shift to softer targets. >> nick paton walsh has the very latest. >> reporter: very minimal we know at the moment still, pamela. we know these two splaexplosiond "multiple injuries." let me tell you who you significant a transit hub this airport is. in the years i've been travelings otraveling out of there it has massively transformed. one of the most densely populated places you can find. waiting areas crammed full of
individuals. turkish airlines now have flights all over the world. so you couldn't really have for that region a more internationally symbolic potential target but also to bear in mind there is quite a lot of security there. ivan was referring to the checkpoint you have to come through before you get in to the original car parks and where the taxis drop people off. there is then again a set of midwe metal detectors you have to pass all your bags through. it is not clear quite exactly where these explosions if indeed they were bomb blasts -- still very early information at this particular stage -- where precisely they went off. some of the social media pictures seem to suggest damage that permeated far enough inside the actual waiting area itself where people would normally check in. but this comes at an extraordinarily dangerous time in turkey's history. a very high-profile target. if it was indeed a terrorist attack. as ivan mentioned, there are two
potential candidates here. kurds, who are 1 of the 2, tend normally to focus more on military or police targets. that hasn't always been the case. they've hit civilian tarts quite callously in the past months. but aside from that, too, we are on a day that's of strategic significance for isis, under intense pressure like they've never really seen before. nearly half their territory according to u.s. officials now taken from them. this is the second aen versionry of their so-called caliphate. so a day of symbolism for them. . we have no idea of what really happened apart from multiple injuries from two explosions and reports of gunfire following that, too. but a chilling moment for people who travel stthrough istanbul. many syrians there. many international part of the community there as well. ataturk airport absolutely the hub of that.
you realize the sheer volume of people you know who go through an airport like that. >> some people. it is the third biggest airport in europe. cnn global affairs analyst, david, an airport like this being hit that's supposed to be so secure. we don't know if terrorism was behind this but what is your take so far? >> it is a very high-profile target and a very well protected one. it is a setback for the erdogan government this this hat this h happened. the big fear is that this could be islamic state. they have so many fighters that are part of their territory. seems like almost islamic state has been held back from carrying out attacks. they've been slowly increasing. so if this is isis it is sort of a new chapter in turkey and more
of a great challenge to president erdogan and the turkish state. >> as we watch this in the united states, why should people here in the u.s. be paying attention to what is unfolding at the istanbul airport right now, david? >> well, it is the third largest airport in europe. turkey is a nato ally. there's been disagreements between the obama administration and the current turkish government but turkey's long been seen as this sort of one of the most moderate nations in the islamic world and a growing, vibrant economy. again, there's been ups and downs in the relationship, tensions between israel and turkey. but this is a very modern city, one of the most modern in the world. turkey has a huge middle class. so if the conflict in syria is now -- we don't know who did this. we have no idea the numbers of injuries so i don't want to exaggerate what's happened. but if turkey becomes more
unstabld, thatu unstable, that's a much more dramatic shift in the war against isis. this attack in turkey is such a high-profile target, but again, let's wait and see what comes with the new details. >> yes, we are awaiting that. you said this would mark a more dramatic shift. in what way, david, just to make sure we understand what you're saying there? >> well, again, i apologize because it is so early but if this is the islamic state, there has been a sense that they have not really gh lly gone that aggressively at the turkish government and security forces. they've used turkey as a base to operate through, they have decided no the to confront turkey to crush their activities. if this nals nalssignals a chann
the attack, that would be a major change. if it does represent that change that's a very serious issue. >> nick paton walsh has some developments for us. nick? >> reporter: nothing particularly major, i have to be honest. but a tweet from turkish news state agency say a large number of police and medical staff have gone to the scene of that particularly area. we don't know at this stage anything about what level the multiple injuries are at but the volume of personnel that seems to be dispatched would be an indication that something very grave has occurred. we are at such an early stage, pointing at culprits does seem at this stage speculation. isis has a key point close to the turkish border as well. one of the main towns they use as a transit hub from the areas they control inside northern syria into southern turkey where they have been comparatively calm in terms of taking on the
turkish government to increasingly put pressure upon them. one of the main transit points has been under intense pressure from kurdish forces working with some u.s. support. that pressure has increased. it is vital for isis because it is their main route out of northern syria into southern turkey that they use. pretty actually their only real route left to the outside world, many argue. it is under greater pressure. i think possibly if we end up seeing a situation where isis are blamed for this or claim responsibility, people may look at that increased pressure as perhaps a turning point where they decide to target turkish facilities directly. it is far too early at this stage to say. at this moment we know of two explosions, many injured and a large number of police and medical staff to the scene. semi-official news agency here. a very tragic moment for the region to see something like this caught in explosions to this degree. social media pictures emerging seem to show substantial damage inside the terminal.
we simply don't know exactly where these blasts were, who caused them, what the nature of them exactly were. but the level of security at that airport might make you think perhaps they would have been initiated before people got inside the main check-in area simply because of the number of x-rays you do have to go through simply because of the volume of scrutiny and pressure turkey is currently under right now when if comes to terrorism. >> we are seeing some of the personn personnel, ambulances coming in to the airport. a freelance journalist is inside istanbul. set the stage for us, andrew. what are you learning? >> well, there have been two major explosions at istanbul's main airport, one inside the terminal, one outside the terminal. we know that there had been people injured. there's ambulances ferrying the injured through hospital as well as the taxi rank outside. instead of taking tourists to
their hotels they're taking wounded people to the hospital. we believe that at least one or two people have died in this explosion. we don't know of the numbers exactly yet. we also know that there was gunfire. and so we might expect even more casualties. >> i imagine as a freelance journalist, andrew, in istanbul you have gone through this airport many times. what is the significance of this airport that is to many considered kwto be one of the se places in the city for it to be hit, what is the significance of that? >> well, it is one of the busiest airports in the world. the national carrier carries people from -- it's become an international hub taking people from all over the world to all over the world. many people. it is a very busy place. of course it's been a less busy
place because there have been incidents like this in the city previously and this has put off many many casual tourists from coming to istanbul and to turkey. turkey is having a very bad year, a very bad season. but this is a big airport. this is a very secure airport. you have to go through external checks even to get into the airport. once you are inside the airport you have to go through additional checks to enter the plane. it's not an airport which takes safety or security lightly. but indeed it may have turned out there is initial reports suggesting that the perpetrators were spotted and they had set off their explosions early. >> i want to bring in ivan watt ton again, if you would stand by, andrew. just to get some context on the timing of this and what that might mean, ivan with being as we try to learn more about who was behind this.
>> hard to tell. it is the holy month of ramadan right now. don't know if that figures in somehow. but you also have to look at they up tick of violence of bombings that had been hitting istanbul alone just in the last year. you had in june 7th, you had at least 12 people killed when there was a bombing hitting a police bus in istanbul just a couple miles from the airport where this latest violence seems to have taken place. in march you had a suicide bombing on one of the busiest pedestrian thoroughfares in the city which appeared to have targeted foreign tourists there. in january, you had another suicide bombing in one of the busiest tourist districts, the old city, in istanbul. so there has been an increase of violence taking place in istanbul alone, and some of it has been attributed to isis, which is just across the border
from turkey. its long border with syria. turkey has been rounding up suspected members of isis for more than a year now and has been participating in attacks against isis in syria. then simultaneously you have the fact that the war between turkey and its largest ethnic minority, the kurds who make up some 20% of the population, that that 30-year war has dramatically intensified over the course of the last year. the considered stand workers party or pkk has traditionally targeted security forces -- police, army, whoever is behind whatever took place at istanbul airport, and again the initial images that we're seeing on social media, it does look like something quite serious that has happened there in a well protected and incredibly frequently traveled international gateway to turkey's largest city. whatever has happened there, it will once again puncture both
the tourism industry that turkey relies on to a great deal its economy, and the position that the government has taken in which it is fighting a war on two fronts against two well armed and very well mobilized and motivated essentially terrorist organizations. >> we have just confirmed that this attack was at the international terminal. what can you tell us about the security there? >> okay. for people who are trying to enter the airport compound, there is an initial kind ever checkpoint that you have to travel through by vehicle which is manned by police officers holding basically sub-automatic rifles. so they do kind of a cursory check. at the entrance the o the international terminal where taxis deposit travelers and so on, at every entrance you go
through a ring of metal detectors manned by both police officers as well as kind of by private security officers as well. you have to take off your belts, watches, pull your laptops out and put your suitcases through metal detectors. i have, by my estimates probably traveled hundreds of times through this airport and i have never heard of an incident quite on scale of this we're seeing here in the first images emerging from istanbul ataturk airport. it is incredibly busy. turkish airlines, the state airline, has grown substantially over the course of the past decade, extending all across africa to south america. it is a very busy airline in its own right. and the government in turkey has been building, controversially, a third airport in istanbul because of what is described as overcrowding in istanbul. so if you're even trying to
transit through this airport, the lines back up in some cases for half-hour or more just trying to go through security, to go through another part of the airport. turkey is because it borders syria and syria is such a mess and millions of refugees from syria have been living in turkey now for years. and the conflicts in syria have been erupting in turkey with isis carrying out murders of syrian activists that don't like isis. and the war against the kurdish group, listed by the u.s. as a terrorist organization, that war has dramatically increased. and we have seen the number of pkk linked bombings taking place in istanbul alone in the last year. >> i want to bring in rafi.
you know this particular airport well. test us about the area where the attack took place. >> in north america and western europe -- the terminal where the security personnel are put on, but pretty much it looks like an industrial place. it turns out as we have seen today, if the information that we have is create, the explosion inside, is that despite those measures, somebody was able to deliver a device into the determi terminal.
once you're in the terminal it is like any other terminal that we know, but very important point to be made here is the airport that connects a lot of flights from all over the middle east. out east asia. even as far as the u.s. so the -- you get a huge amount of traffic of people, passengers of the airport. it is relatively crowded during peak hours. and the security conditions there are very difficult to control. >> okay, i want to bring in david rhode now, as we see it play out, turkey's approximate similarity to syria raises the risk of terrorist attacks, but
something similar happened in belgium right now bhap is stopping something like this from happening in the united states where there are these areas where they're not as protected? >> it is a very difficult situation. >> there are a million or more refugees inside syria. there is little control over that border. i don't see this has exemplifying more in the united states. it is more for turkey and i think for the government, he has chosen to confront isis. at the same time that he is confronting this long returning kurdish insurgency. so this is an issue for the united states in terms of it being a nato al lie, and for the strength and stability of the government. as he bit off more than he can
chew. which of the two groups potentially carried out the attack. the tactic is of concern. it is a large number of ambulances. if they were able to get in where there was a large line of people, that would be similar to the brussels attack. i think airports in the united states, and the control of the people entering the united states is much, much stronger than what exists in turkey today. >> okay, evan watson, you have some news for us, is that right? >> that's right, our team on the ground in istanbul has been speaking with a turkish official that says suspects fired shots at the x-ray and metal detectors at the international departures hall. and the two suspects, according
to an unnamed turkish official blew themselves up. the attackers detonated effectively suicide bombs there. and it would have taken place shortly after 10:00 p.m. local time in istanbul in turkey. so again a turkish official telling cnn that it appears that police fired at two suspects that detonated two explosive devices outside of the first perimeter, the first perimeter of security to the entrance of the international arrivals hall at istanbul's internation nal airport. >> yeah, two people blew
themselves up there and then there was an exchange of gunfire, what is your analysis on that? >> i think it indicates that the turkish security plans worked and probably saved a lot of lives. and the check point at the door of the determinal, that is probably a place where it may result in comparison to an attack inside of the determinal which is usually much more crowded and they are suffering from an explosion. so i would say that they operate
on the outside, that is -- that shows that to some extent it is good, but once again, they are as we are learning from the coming news, there is still a large number of casualties and we're waiting for measure information about that. >> we're just getting more information saying ten people have died in this attack. at least ten people have died. other injuries as well we know about. as we learn that two people blew themselves up right in the departure area and they exchanged gunfire with those two people. as we learn more about this, you heard david rhodes say the u.s. and their airports do not face the same threat.
what is your take on it? what risk does the u.s. have in this particular matter? >> i accept the conclusion that the threat here is clour, but at the same time, we have to understand that the vulnerability is also higher. the istanbul airport, as everybody knows, as we may be much better protected. and in spite of that we have this kind of attack. in light of what happened in orlando, just take that scenario and shift it to the airport. and the and that is where i stop agreeing with the conclusion that we can feel safe.
>> two people blew themselves up in the departure area. >> if it was the islamic state, we should wait for more debating. is there was fun fire before the explosion, so ten being dead is a tragedy. it could have been worst. it is a very worrying development. >> and thank you for your analysis on this. ten people killed. special coverage continues now with my colleague jake tapper in washington. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. we have breaking news in our world lead today, and it is bad
news. sirens bla sirens blaring, confusion. the turkish minister just said at least ten people have been killed in the attack. turkish officials tell cnn that two terrorists blew themselves up in the international terminal of the airport. officials say police then shot at the suicide bombers to try to stop them from detonating the explosives on them. several people are right now being rushed to area hospitals. reporters are reporting information as fast as we can. this is a very quick moving story. let's go right now to diana in london, what are you learning, what do we know about these