thanks for watching. i hope you have a good night. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news, donald trump says he has a razor thin lead over hillary clinton. >> the new cnn poll was just released and trump is winning. trump is winning. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. look at our new poll. trump and hillary clinton essentially neck and neck. he as a 2-point lead of likely voters, well within the margin of error. so right now, this is anybody's race. with just over two months to go, hillary clinton says this. >> i really pay no attention to polls.

when they're good for me, i don't pay attention. when they're not so good, i don't pay attention. we are on a course that we are sticking with. >> so let's get right to that. let's talk about those polls, new cnn/orc polls. john king at the magic wall for us this evening. good evening to you, mr. king. cnn's new national poll out, looks like hillary clinton's post-convention lead has evaporated. what can you tell us? >> no doubt we have a closer race. some dispute over whether trump is in the lead or hillary clinton is. let's look at that number you heard mr. trump bragging about. that's in our poll among likely voters. this is the first national poll in a long time that shows donald trump within the lead. it's within the margin of error. it's statistically a tie. among likely voters, our new poll has trump at 45, clinton at 43. you see johnson and stein rounding it out. now i can tell you this, donald trump's bragging about that. you just played it at the top of the show in public. his pollsters are telling him, as well as the clinton campaign tells us, the numbers are more like the registered poll

numbers. the trump campaign says they have clinton still narrowly ahead. even if you just look at that, at registered voters, hillary clinton now is up by 3 points but she was up by 8 just after the convention. whether you look at the likely voter model or the registered voter model, we have a much closer race. and momentum is heading in trump's direction. whether he's slightly ahead or just behind, he has the momentum at the moment. >> cnn's last poll had her up by eight. what has changed since then? >> let's look at a couple of points and things that are changing. number one, i could bring up the terrorism issue or other issues. let's bring up the number one issue on the race, the economy. just after the two conventions when hillary clinton was in the lead, she had pulled ahead or was a tie in donald trump on who would best handle the economy. she had been behind him on this issue for months. now a 15-point lead among registered voters on who would best handle the economy for donald trump. we've been talking a lot about the clinton foundation and

private e-mail server. look at this. just after the convention, who was more honest and trustworthy, trump had an 8-point lead and now it's 15-point lead on the question of who is most trustworthy. independents came clinton's way after the democratic convention are swinging back clinton's way. >> all of that is taking a toll and voters are starting to listen to the messages. the battleground states, that's where the rubber really meets the road. what's the latest with those key states? >> that's the key question. we have to watch to see will there be state polls that match our new national numbers? does trump have november and does it translate into the states? right now if the elections are today, based on our projection, hillary clinton would be elected president of the united states. she has by our projections 273 electoral votes and you need

270. the news is good for donald trump, there's a shift his way. not enough yet to change the map in the key battleground states. even if he won all of these toss-ups, nevada, iowa, ohio, north carolina, it wouldn't be enough. he has to change something that's blue to red. still a challenge for trump. again, the news is good for him. we'll see if it turns as we head towards the debates into better. >> that's great stuff. thank you very much. john king, stick around. i want to bring in gloria borger and dana bash. gloria, we know that these polls are just a snapshot in time. clinton is losing independent voters by double digits. do you think that's a wake-up call for her campaign? >> yeah. i think it's a big wake-up call. that's why you're seeing hillary clinton talking to reporters in the back of her new airplane. you're going to see her more accessible. i think look, she lost ground in august. there was a vacuum and trump jumped right in there. she's had her e-mail problems

and i think it is a wake-up call for them. i just want to reiterate something john is saying, which is that, yes, her national lead has been halved but that's a real problem for them. you have to wait a little bit to see what happens, whether this lead increases for trump because then you will see the effects, i believe, in the swing states. and when a couple swing states go, you generally see an impact on an awful lot of other swing states. we really haven't seen that yet. big factor here is undecided voters. where are they going to go? there's a large number of undecided. there's a third party candidate or two that could have an impact on this race so it makes it a little bit more volatile right now. >> e i want to ask you, you mentioned there's been a vacuum in august. i know she's been out raising money, but she's missed several

key things or at least donald trump has stolen the spotlight and the narrative. when it comes to going to mexico and going down to baton rouge. of the it a mistake for her to get out? her donors wanted to see her to make the money. in a way, they kept her out of the spotlight, out of the picture. >> she did very well in the fund raising. if you're looking toward the next 60 days, this $143 million she raised will come in very handy. but obviously she wasn't out there day in and day out the way donald trump was. you could argue that maybe he created some more problems for himself with his confusion on immigration or not, or his trip to mexico or not. he was out there sucking up all the oxygen while she was getting all the money. >> he's the one on television, on the front of every newspaper. dana bash, trump has been

attacking hillary clinton for weeks on her foundation and e-mails. why have the attacks been so effective on the e-mails given how long the issues have been out there? >> because we've seen in evidence. new e-mails have come out over the past several weeks that show that pose new questions about the allegations that trump is making. he's saying pay for play. that's unfounded at this point but it certainly is feeding the narrative that already very much exists, whether or not hillary clinton and the campaign want it to exist that she had something to hide or more specifically she thought that she could play by different rules than everybody else by having a private server. and now that we're seeing some of the e-mails during that time from her staff, questions about how the foundation played into her role of secretary of state and so on and so forth. so that's the reason why. i think on the question of her being absent for the end of the summer, i definitely think

gloria is right. she's playing the long game here and that is raising money. for a while, remember hillary clinton being out of sight was strategically smart because she didn't want to get in the way of donald trump as he was spiraling downwards. him being on the front page wasn't a good thing for a lot of those weeks. the problem that she ran into was not getting out the brunt explaining those e-mails, explaining the clinton foundation issues in a way that she has the opportunity now now that she's actually talking to the press. >> i think all of you nodded your heads when you said she's playing the long game raising money. but out of sight, out of mind, john king? is that a possibility here? >> campaigns go through these debates. she wanted to raise the money. this is the decision they made. she's surrounded by smart people, republicans watching at home will say no but she's got a very talented campaign

staff. so that's the decision they make. this point about short term or long-term view, as we look at the polling now, remember, this race has tightened now. that happens. it's inevitable. donald trump's support among republicans is up. independents have swung his way. i want to say this, though, in the final stretch of the 2012 campaign, mitt romney was tied a couple of times nationally and never down by more than 3 points. this is what happened on election day. 332 electoral votes for the democrats. one of the reasons that happened is the democrats had the money for advertising and the ground game. that is what august was about. did she suffer in the short term? without a doubt. will she benefit in the long term? we'll find out on election night. >> you said her untrustworthy numbers were awful. she's finally starting to take questions. you saw her on the plane, do you think there's enough time, 61, 62, 63 days until the election, do you think there's enough time for her to make up when it comes to that? >> look, this is a chronic problem for her. people think she's not honest,

not trustworthy, that she plays by a separate set of rules for the clintons. could she improve those numbers is little bit? maybe. she's not so much trying to improve her numbers, because she understands they're almost structural. she's attacking donald trump, questioning trump's own corruption and personal behavior. essentially trying to say okay, you might not like me, he's worse. it's much more about taking the communities with the media to disqualify trump and to get them back on -- i was going to call it equal footing. it's subterranean footing, i guess. but to make him just as bad, if not worse. >> if you look at three, four weeks since the convention, she had that convention bounce and that is 8 points. we still have 60-some days. look at what donald trump has done in that short amount of time and it appears the enthusiasm has grown for him, the enthusiasm has lessened for her. they should be worried with

60-some days left, that should be a concern for the clintons. >> listen, i was hearing from clinton supporters, clinton advisers formal and informal that they were concerned when she had that bounce thanks in large part to her successful convention, but also thanks to -- i should say the success of that convention was baiting donald trump into going after the gold star family and then he kind of spiralled down from there. so as i was starting to say, the advisers who i talked to were worried that she was peaking too early. we'll see. at the end of the day as john has showed on the map tonight and we've seen so many nights before, but also looking at history, this is a divided country. it just is. and it does come down to this handful plus of battleground states and where things lie it. -- things lie there. but the enthusiasm gap is big but the key thing to remember is that they on the democratic

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donald trump and hillary clinton trading accusations about their foundations, among many other things. back with me gloria borger, dana bash and john king. donald trump has been accusing hillary clinton of this pay for play with her foundation. but now he's got his own problems with donations from his foundation. explain what we know about this. >> the reason it was illegal and he had to pay a fine was because his charitable foundation gave a political gift, which you're not allowed to do to the florida attorney general of $25,000 just days after they announced that they might be looking into an investigation into trump university in the state of florida. and so there was a contribution made. donald trump says that there was nothing illegal about this, this was an accounting mistake essentially and hillary clinton is using this against him saying you talk about us pay for play?

well, look at you. and, by the way, this is something you've bragged about in the past because you say you were part of the political machine, you knew how to use it when you were in business and this is a prime example of that. >> dana, donald trump is -- do you want to weigh in on this because i want to talk to you about immigration. >> just really quickly. regardless of what account it came from, you know, yes, he has said that it was a mistake and his campaign said it was a mistake, it shouldn't have come from the foundation, which as gloria said is illegal. i think that's beside the point and the clinton campaign, hillary clinton, sort of rightly feel that they have an issue that they should and will continue to press donald trump on because it is quite similar in theory and in theme to what he's saying that the clintons have done with the foundation. obviously it's a different scale, a different issue, but

it's the same kind of, wait a minute, you say i'm washington as usual, well, you participated in the same game. >> anything they can exploit, both sides, they'll use it in order to do it. i want to talk to you about immigration. he's shifted his position saying abort his plan, that he'd decide in the future if there could be a path to legal status for undocumented immigrants. is he muddying the waters on purpose trying to have it both ways with voters? >> on purpose, truthfully i don't think so. i think that might be the outcome, the semi-outcome if there is one to him being incredibly unclear of what his policy of what had been and still is a core underpinning of his campaign. he had reporters on the plane. donald trump, like him or not, when he's asked a question, he gives an answer. and that is -- sometimes gets him into trouble.

it it did in this case. when he gave the immigration speech, it was scripted, very carefully planned, it made a lot of people mad on both sides of the issues and he muddied it on the plane at a time when his campaign was hoping to move on from that to talk about issues like jobs, like trade, like veteran issues which were supposed to be the themes of the week in the state where is he does need to win, like in ohio and virginia where he was today. >> rudy giuliani admitted that mexico's president did say he would not pay for the wall during their meeting, contradicting donald trump. he said that the subject never came up. why don't these flip flops and untruths stick to trump? >> well, hillary clinton complained today that she thinks trump is held to somewhat of a different standard. look, don, trump on immigration has been interesting. it is like it's in the eye of

the beholder. some of his supporters you say, well you say they have to leave the country. donald trump says that can be decided down the road. they say, i don't care, we just trust him. a lot of democrats complain the news media gives trump a free ride. voters just process what he says differently. if jeb bush said some of the things that trump says, game over. that's one of the phenomenas of this campaign. >> he did. >> when it comes to this question, you can be certain, hillary clinton has raised this several times, tim kaine has raised it several times, several democrats have raised it. you can see it coming in debates, you're mr. tough guy, you say you hire better people and here is your chance to put this on the table and they may say he blipg blinked that that he lied because trump says one thing, rudy giuliani says another. >> no matter which side you're on, you're going to think the other can't gets favor from the media. >> you're not new here. >> read our social media sites.

gloria, i want to play this clip of hillary clinton on her campaign plane today. >> do i think there is a different standard for trump than for me? and do i think that a lot of these issues that are raised about trump are dismissed because somehow the american public has factored into their assessment of him that, you know, that's the kind of guy he, is right? and a lot of this behavior coming from him seems to be expected somehow. and that's fine if you're a reality tv star or you're a real estate developer. i don't think it is fine if you want to be president of the united states. >> well, two things. where has this hillary clinton been? >> exactly. >> you could have been doing that all along. do you think she's right? is she judged by a different standard, gloria? >> you know, she may be. she thinks she is.

i'm not so sure it's so great to talk about it honestly because it sounds like you're complaining about voters who are judging you by a different standard and i don't generally think that's a great thing for somebody who is running for office to do. what she's trying to do with this line of attack is say that everybody just has built in this judgment of his temperament, which they've now come to accept and they kind of move on. and what she wants to focus on is the fact that he doesn't have the temperament to be president of the united states. but to talk about the standards by which she is judged versus the standard by which he is judged, i'm not so sure that appeals to independent or undecided voters that are out there. >> but it might make people stop and think. imagine if hillary clinton refused to release her tax returns and donald trump said hillary clinton release your tax returns and she said nobody

cares, donald trump would never stand for that. so she does have a point in that there are things that should be transparent for people, as she says, are running as commander in chief. the problem is she is the imperfect messenger on that issue since she is somebody who had a private server. she's trying to say it's a double standard and taxes are different and in some ways they are but it might make those voters gloria is talking about stop and think for one second. >> i love our conversations, i wish they could continue but unfortunately we're out of time here. thank you so much. appreciate it. this saturday you'll hear from the candidates from those who know them best. beginning at 8:00 with all business, the essential donald trump and followed at 10:00 with "unfinished business, the essential hillary clinton." coming up, donald trump is

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days to go till election day and donald trump and hillary clinton are locked in a virtual dead heat. there it is. here to discuss the former trump campaign manager, corey lewandowski, who is still receiving severance from the trump campaign, bakari sellers, van jones, cnn political crib for. hope all of you had a great holiday. >> thanks, don. >> back again like it never happened now. >> home stretch. >> van, let's talk more about these new poll numbers from our cnn/orc poll just out today. the two candidates are in a virtual tie. we're also seeing that this 50% of voters say that trump being they see him as a more honest and trustworthy candidate, 35 for clinton. does she need to get those numbers up to win? >> she's got to do something. trump is a master at the idea of

being authentically inauthentic. everybody knows he's kind of engaging in hyperbole and sarcasm or whatever and they have for some reason decided to discount him and say whatever he wants to say and call him honest. meanwhile, it turns out when you look at the fact checker, she's one of the most honest politicians in america according to the fact checker. so there's a disconnect there she's going to have to deal with. >> trump supporter paris, do you disagree with that? >> i think the american people -- >> he is speaking facts when he talks about the fact checker. >> i think the american people are showing they don't find her to be honest or trustworthy. the "new york times" story that talked about black millennials and how they don't seem to trust secretary clinton, i think when you look at the cnn polling and how mr. trump is leading in trustworthiness and in terms of enthusiasm, i think there is an authenticity that he has.

secretary clinton comes across as very scripted, very lawyerly and mr. trump comes across as very honest and direct and you know where he stands. i think that's what you've seen while she's not been campaigning, he's been engaging with the american people. >> look at van's face. >> i'm sorry -- >> van, i'm giving you more than you share but you're so animated on this issue, why are you smiling so much? >> this is ridiculous. you know where he's coming from? this guy flip-flops all the time. he has a trampoline in his back yard and to say he knows where he's coming from, he tells you he doesn't know where he's coming from. i didn't mean to be rude. go ahead. >> to paris's point, the american people don't find hillary clinton trustworthy. when you look at the fak checker, the fact checker says she's more honest. so what's the disconnect here? the people say i trust him more -- >> two really important numbers in this particular poll you should look at. the first and foremost is mr.

trump's lead amongst independents. it's a 20-point lead over hillary clinton. that is a determining factor because what we know is republicans and democrats are going to break and right now donald trump is getting about 09% of -- 90% of the republican party base. those independents numbers are very telling. >> my question is what's the disconnect? the people find her more -- him more trustworthy but -- >> we continuously hear all the e-mails weren't turned over, we see the people according to this poll don't believe she handled the issue of the e-mails well. 80% of the people said that goes right to her trustworthiness. >> thank you. now that you answered my question, your second point. >> the second point is when you look at the married women that donald trump has an 18-point lead in, that's a very important

number. you see a gender gap. the general gender gap is that donald trump does much better with men and hillary clinton does much better with women. >> that's up on the screen for you to look at. >> when you look at married women, donald trump is now winning 53-36 in that category. that's a big difference. >> he's also struggling with women, especially educated women. >> democrats don't normally win married women. that is something that is kind of par for the course. the numbers that i think are the underlying trend that still benefit hillary clinton are that she is winning college educated women by 23 points in most polls up until now. mitt romney won college educated women by 6 points and he still lost the election. another couple of numbers to take advantage of and look at, hillary clinton is leading donald trump with catholic voters by 28 points in a recent

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back with corey, maria, paris and van. let's talk about this enthusiasm. the numbers do matter.

a new cnn/orc poll found voters this election season are less enthusiastic as a whole than they were last election season. when you look at it for these specific candidates this time, trump this time, 58% voter enthusiasm, hillary clinton 46%. his is on the up, hers is on the down. what's going on here, corey? >> you have donald trump who continues to be very engaging with the electorate. he's out doing a lot of speeches. you saw this all august. this is what you want if you're running for president. the converse of that is hillary clinton. she was in the mode of raising money in the hatchtons, the vineyard. that's not engaging rotors. she's doing the back end work, which she hopes will pay fruition at the end. >> millennials are really not enthusiastic about hillary

clinton because they believe she sent a lot of african-american men to prison because of the 1994 crime bill and because of criminal justice reform and on and on. can you really gauge voter enthusiasm just for her not being on the campaign trail? is there something overall that people aren't as interested in this election as much as they were in 2012? >> i'll be very straight with you. we have people who are -- they both have high unfavorables. but when you look at this past month, especially the past two weeks with the fbi notes released and talk about all the things she's doing and the football player who says if any other american did what she did, they'd be in jail. i think a lot of the millennials look at the situation and say i don't trust her and the rules don't seem to apply to hillary clinton. moving into this election, don, you want to have people enthusiastic and excited to vote for you, not voting against you or voting against someone else because there's a party going on

or bad weather. they're not going to come out and vote for you. the trump supporters are showing we're enthusiastic and we're going to vote for him no matter what. that's the intensity you want moving into the election. >> what is surprising is last time, maria, there was this enthusiasm, at least in 2008, the first african-american president. my gosh. that created enthusiasm, especially among voters of color and for people and for progressives who wanted to see someone, you know, different in the white house. >> right. >> that doesn't seem to have the same enthusiasm around the first woman. what's going on? >> i think actually a better comparison is 2012 because i remember everybody also saying the same thing about a, quote, lack of enthusiasm for reelecting president obama. the reason i think that applies more is let's remember for democrats to win a third term is a hugely uphill battle. it is not consistent with history. it normally does not happen. we are going against what

normally happens. so there is a challenge there for hillary clinton from the get-go. but what ended up happening? there was this big supposed enthusiasm gap going into the general election after labor day for president obama and he ended up walloping mitt romney. so it is still early. and, yes, hillary clinton has a lot of work to do but guess what, she is focused on the long game, on strategy. she has been raising a lot of money but she also has been talking to voters and now it's completely game on and she's going to focus now on this binary choice between somebody who has focused four decades of their life committed to changing the lives of women, families and children versus somebody who has only been focused on enriching themselves. >> sitting next to corey, you can see his head going no. i want to give van a chance. you can respond. i want to get your reaction to something donald trump said to abc's david muir about hillary clinton.

>> i just don't think she has a presidential look. and you need a presidential look. you have to get the job done. i think if she went to mexico, she would have had a total failure, we had a big success. >> when you talk about her not looking presidential, are you talking about aesthetics here? >> hey, by the way, she says things about me that are horrible. as an example, the single greatest asset i have according to those that know me is my temperament. but she came up with this madison avenue line, let's talk about his temperament. it's the single greatest asset i have is my temperament. >> maybe there's no less enthusiasm because she doesn't look presidential or maybe that is a sexist comment by some folks, do you believe that is correct van jones? >> yes. i don't know what he's talking about. to me she looks like a former secretary of state, she looks like a former senator -- >> you're saying, yes, you think that comment is sexist? >> i think it's a sexist comment for him to, first of all, be

talking about her looks at all and then to say her look is not presidential. she doesn't look like the other presidents maybe because the other ones were all guys but she looks like a leader. listen, she has been one of the most admired if not the most admired woman in the world for most of her adult life. that's a true fact. in fact, republicans were singing her praises as recently as four or five years ago. i don't understand what she's supposed to look like and i don't understand why looks matter more than experience and policy. >> corey lewandowski? >> i think mother teresa would take exception to the fact and she was just named a saint so i don't want to put them in the saint category. i also think the enthusiasm issue here is because to maria's point, she's absolutely wrong. the electoral map always favors democrats. they win california almost without campaigning there, they traditionally win new york. electorally it's much easier for a democrat to get elected president but the enthusiasm issue and the reason donald trump is doing so well is because people want change.

that's what this election is about. it's about a barack obama third term, and that's why you see the enthusiasm gap in hillary clinton going down, because the american people don't want that. they want a fundamental change in washington. >> can i say something about that? >> go ahead, van. >> so listen. let's just be honest here. there is a challenge that the democrats are going to have. democrats are going against gravity, are trying to get a third term and, in fact, some of the people who came out very, very big for president obama, for instance, p. diddy, he's staying on the sidelines right now. he's just not convinced that hillary clinton or donald trump are going to do anything for the black community. >> you can't have it both ways. you can't say barack obama is exceptionally popular right now, which he is right now. you're putting him on the campaign trail, you have joe biden and all the resources of the federal government behind

the campaign and say well, it's going to be harder for a democrat to win. it doesn't make any sense. >> i'm trying to agree with you. corey, take -- corey -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> let him finish. >> corey, take yes for an answer. i'm trying to agree that there's an enthusiasm challenge and i'm trying to say that some of the surrogates that obama was able to rely on have not shown up yet. i think what you're going to see, though, very, very quickly these numbers that came out today from cnn sent a shockwave through the democratic establishment and through progressives who were folding their arms. >> i think that's a good thing. >> a lot of people who were quiet are going to come out. you're going to see a big sur gat surge now. >> let's talk about that because my phone was blowing up after this thing from liberals. what is going on? i didn't do the polling. paris, you'll get your chance after the break. we'll be right back. ♪

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back with me, corey lewandowski, maria cardona, paris and van jones. corey, i want to talk about

immigrati immigration. trump's immigration plan. in the primary he said he'd have a deportation force. then he said he was softening his stance. then he said everyone who eventually wants legal status has to leave first. now he's refusing to rule out legal status for undocumented immigrants who stay in the u.s. does he know his position at this point? is he trying to have it not both ways but many ways when it comes to immigration? >> i think his position on a few things have been crystal clear. he has said and never deviated from the fact he's going to build a wall. that's going to be number one, to stop illegals from coming in. second he said if you're a criminal and you've been convicted of a felony, gone, out the door as soon as he takes off. that's never changed. third he said we're going to defund sanctuary cities and implement a real e-verify system. if you want to bring immigrant workers in, you need to do that under the proper process. after all of those things are said, we're going to find out and determine are there 11 million undocumented workers in the country?

is there 16 million? somewhere in between? and then once we know what the number is, we're going to have a plan to deal with it humanely. >> tonight, we're listening to his immigration speech and there was some ambiguity -- there was one line about after all of this we'll find -- does that explain where he says i'm refusing to rule out the status for undocumented immigrants who stay in the u.s. because before there was no amnesty. and that sounds a lot like amnesty to just about everybody listening except for maybe you and donald trump. >> you know what i think it is? i think it's that you can't address the second part of the problem until you address the first part of the problem. until you actually stop the boat from taking any more water, you have to plug the hole. right now it's unrealistic to have a full plan in place to deal with potentially 16 million people until you take office. >> maria, have you figured out donald trump's plan? go ahead, van. >> if that's true, then why didn't he say that in september

and october and november and december and january and february and march? >> of 2015, you mean? >> because that's not what he believes. >> in other words, what you just said would be a completely rational thing to say and he should have said it for the past nine months. instead he beat the crap out of every human being who said anything nuanced at all on the issue and suddenly he's discovering nuance half an hour before the election. it's completely not credible. >> i'm not confused about what donald trump's plan is. his plan is to deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants that are here. he says he wants to do it humanely. have i no idea whether that means, whether that means the bus will be cushioned and he's going to give them milk and cookies on the way out. who knows? but the fact of the matter is, he started his campaign by denigrating and insulting hispanic and mexican immigrant. he continued those insults throughout the primary process. he won the primary specifically because the supporters that came

out to vote for him in all of the primary states except for wisconsin and new york came out because of his draconian stance on immigration. this is what he believes. he has shown us what his heart is on this and there is no way that any right thinking american, latino immigrant or otherwise is going to believe anything else that he has to say on this. >> paris, apparently you don't think that he insulted the people of mexico or mexican people by, you know, when he said what he said when he announced his candidacy. >> ask them. >> do you understand what his immigration plan is? >> yes. i think the american people do as well. he is very clear. he has a ten-point plan which i encourage all americans to go and look at, a very clear plan. when the mexican government invited mr. trump down to mexico to have that meeting and that press conference, they knew exactly what his plan was. that was something that was showing great leadership, great courage. and that's what presidents do. that's what candidates do. they lead. they don't hide from it. his ten-point plan --

>> that was a sham. >> no, it wasn't a sham. >> i got to go quickly. >> and a complete epic fail on behalf of donald trump. >> no, it wasn't. that's why mr. trump is leading -- >> that's why 88 generals and retired army generals endorsed mr. trump today. >> when you have the mexican president essentially say you lied, that's an epic fail. fox news $20 million payout to gretchen carlson. she says roger ailes sexually harassed her. he quit the network and he is helping donald trump. will that hurt the campaign with the voters? afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.

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donald trump takes a razor thin lead over hillary clinton in our new poll. welcome to our 11th hour. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. hillary clinton taking aim at trump in florida today. >> his whole campaign has been one long insult to all those who have worn the uniform, to protect our most cherished american values. >> trump firing back tonight in north carolina. >> if she applied for a low-level job at the state department today, just a low-level job, she couldn't even get a security clearance based

on what she's done. her conduct is disqualifying. >> is this the kind of accusation that has roger ailes fingerprints all over it? and will ailes hurt the candidate with women voters in the wake of fox's $20 million payout to former anchor gretchen carlson who accused ailes of sexual harassment? let's get right to this new polls with larry sabato. thank you so much for coming on. let's talk about these numbers. cnn shows this race is tightening. a statistical dead heat, hillary clinton is ahead by 3% among likely voters, trump is ahead by 2 points. what do you make of these numbers? >> well, the race has certainly tightened in the sense that hillary clinton's convention bounce has completely faded, but you would expect that. she got a much bigger convention bounce than trump did and her bounce lasted much longer than