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shifting beneath their feet. pennsylvania and ohio, president obama is north carolina. bill clinton is ohio. new hampshire is another toss-up could be crucial. plenty to cover. sara murray in hershey pennsylvania. what are your sources telling you about that? campaign hoping he stays on message. plan to avoid any mistakes? >> reporter: yeah. i don't know if just subdue just trying to assure him and him trying to assure himself he needs to stay on message. want the final push to be about hillary clinton being a corrupt politician. that's the message they want to drive home. don't want the last couple days about donald trump being a loose cannon. that's why you continue to see the teleprompters and why he reminded himself on the stump to stick to talking points.
so important talking about states like pennsylvania. this is a state that appeared out of his reach a couple of weeks ago and state with no early voting. can make a pitch to voters tonight to turn out on november 8th. >> also speaking to lot of republicans across different battleground states. are they confident trump can poult a victim oi reason tuesday? >> anderson you would think republican operatives would be overjoyed by the momentum he's had and going on with the fbi and tightening in the polls but talked to operatives who are telling me just not convinced he has what he needs to get there. still think the math is hard, path is steep. bun thing they say this is a candidate defied expectations for nearly year and a half he's running for president. maybe could surprise us on election day. >> all right. thanks very much.
clinton campaign and their star-studded event in cleveland. brianna keilar is there. hillary clinton turning up the heat on donald trump. begins final pitch to voters. what did she talk about? >> reporter: earlier targeting a economic to women but many michigan and heading this cleveland trying to attract young african-american voters. not come around to hillary clinton the way they did for barack obama back in 2012. saw in the primaries they were more likely to split with their parents and grandparents who trended towards hillary clinton. and lot of younger black voters went for bernie sanders. hillary clinton today talking about her ambitious criminal justice reform plan. but her support for her husband's crime bill in the '90s still a liability for her. it's outstanding question anderson, are young african-americans going to show
up for hillary clinton? i'm talking to people at the wolesteen center awaiting jay-z and big question is not who is going to win but if beyonce is showing up tonight. >> bill clinton on the trail. had interesting comments about melania. >> he joked about melania trump yesterday, speaking on behalf of husband and vouching for him but also railing against cyberbullying even though of course her husband is so abusive on social media and bill clinton latched onto that. >> yesterday, i never felt so bad for anybody in my life. as i did for his wife going out giving a speech saying, oh, cyberbullying was a terrible thing. i thought, yeah, especially if
it's done at 3:00 in the morning against a former miss universe by a guy running for president. >> reporter: women voters trending away from donald trump, part of the reason melania trump was vouching for her husband. that's an area that the clinton campaign does not want to cede as you know. >> thanks very much. the cnn battleground map is thanking. john king with more by the numbers. >> significant changes to cnn electoral map heading into the final weekend. count is clinton 268, trump 204. 268 is below the finish line. had her at 272 yesterday. explain the changes. trump gains utah, ohio and maine's second district. splits the votes by district. remove from toss-up to lean
republican. most significant the big battleground state of ohio in the midwest. brings up to 204. why is hillary clinton below 270? because taken new hampshire's four. had them lean democratic but moved to toss-up because suddenly a dead heat race heading into the final weekend in state of new hampshire. state of play. clinton is close to the finish line. donald trump need to be about perfect plus turn a blue. here's clinton campaign thainks play out. confident win nevada and believe stronger in florida than obama and in north carolina. clinton campaign believe those three and good chance for -- i will say arizona sticks with dna. if plays out this way, overwhelming. one congressional district in
nebraska to be determined. how clinton campaign sees it. what does donald trump need to do? get nevada, keep arizona, no way, i'm taking florida and must take north carolina as well. mandatory. trump gets new hampshire. that's 268. and if district here, 269-269. likely in of course not but possible. but come back to the main map with the more rational perspective. clinton is close to the finish line. leads in one, two and she believes three of the states. polling is dicey there. advantage clint. trump in the hunt, closer than anybody would have thought ten days ago. >> thanks very much. let's bring in the panel. carl bernstein, political
commentator and former obama adviser david axelrod. dana dash. kailee mcanae, trump supporter and angela ry, a clinton supporter. appreciate you all being here. >> glad everybody is appropriately dressed. >> actually indigo. >> dana in new hampshire, no longer clear which way it's going to go. >> really is remarkable how these polls have been tightening. in a lot of states that democrats felt very comfort and frankly republicans thought were out of reach. new hampshire is one. michigan is another. new hampshire is probably more gettable than michigan. just because to use john's term, dna of the state is different. new hampshire gone back and forth more in recent history than michigan. but it does kind of go to the fundamental that in these closing days, donald trump seems
to be the one with the momentum as opposed to hillary clinton. so i think at end of the day although talking about last night republicans' ground operation stepped up dramatically, still feels like big picture, a test between organization and momentum and energy and enthusiasm. >> former governor of new hampshire, john sununu speaking for donald trump today and made a headline which i don't think he's made in decades. let's play that. >> playing a little bit off of what bob smith said. his imitation of bill clinton and talking about hillary, you think bill was referring to hillary when he said, i did not have sex with that woman? >> david? >> i will say this, he may not
have made headlines in a long time, but when he was making headlines often by saying the wrong thing and hasn't lost his touch. i don't think that helps. that doesn't help donald trump, so that's not what you want your surrogates out there doing. but about the race overall, i think it's been tightening for some time. the distance from the "access hollywood" tapes and debates and way donald trump reacted to them has been difficult. been good for him. more disciplined. made a lot of the obamacare rate story and fbi story. but race has returned to a normal democrat/republican race in a closely divided country and democrats still have the advantage in such a race. you see it on the electoral map. i think donald trump is still in the position of having to draw an inside straight between now
and tuesday and will be tough to do. >> carl it's interesting, cnn poll of polls, hillary clinton's lead only shrunk by one. up six points before the comey letter, tonight up five points a week later. do you think more has been made of the imsnakt. >> no. i think it was helpful to donald trump and i think that the excitement factor that the trump campaign has been playing on is part of the real dynamic here. they're throwing a lot of hail marys right now. not the least of which is about all of us up here. they know if they can create enough sense of excitement among all of us and in the press that that has a dynamic of its own. sara murray's piece was first rate because it brought us back to the real situation based on her reporting is. their internals also are showing how difficult this is for trump to do. and internals of the clinton
campaign give them a feeling of some real comfort. at the same time sure they're nervous as hell as anybody would be at this point when there is this dynamic that shows trump has been creating excitement, gaining ground but still talking about hail marys. >> anytime the focus is on hillary clinton generally not good for her. same for donald trump. and focus has been on hillary clinton since the comey letter. >> that's exactly right. that's one of the reasons i think this is not analogous to 2012. heard some say romney seemed to make comeback and lost the election. there's intangibles. focus on hillary clinton. fbi bombshell is one and number two enthusiasm about trump we didn't hear about with romney. packing the rallies and this brexit effect we haven't seen since 1980.
ronald reagan was demonized in same way donald trump was. carter saying he is engaging in hatred and stirring the inspector of white sheets. but they turned out and voted for him but i think afraid to say it. >> angela, do you fear a hidel trump vote? >> certainly could be a hidden trump vote. what i will say is the one comforting factor i have in the real clear politics poll barack obama and mit romney were essentially tide at this point and right now hillary clinton is not tide. i know cnn has the poll of polls but i think up by at least three. comforted a little bit but not taking away my nightmares. every day that election cycle we've seen something new. today thankfully about a reporter that had to walk something back that was egregious on the clinton side.
how much time do we have to it clean up messes, some of them false scandals at this point. >> you know what it was like in 2012 for then president obama against mitt romney. do you think hillary clinton in a better spot? >> comparable. polls weren't as good for obama. sense of tied race. some of the same stories. republicans saying the rallies are huge and encouraging and so on. end of the day, first of all had our own data, more reliable frankly because calling of people from voter files. so you knew what their vote history was. so you knew who the certain voters were. didn't have to rely on their own testimony. that created a more accurate polling. even as the public polls said that romney and obama were tied we were up four consistently in
data. both campaigns probably have better than the public polling. you know, i think this is a traditional republican/democrat race as 2012 was in polarized country but where the electoral map favors democrats and demography favors democrats. we'll know. can spend from now until tuesday and then we'll know. >> nothing about this traditional, now suddenly it's traditional? >> i know. better late than never. >> hillary hatred factor is a real difference between what happened in 2008 and '09. that's the wild card. >> mitt romney a little bit better liked than donald trump. >> nobody is going to win a popularity contest. >> i understand what you're saying but i think 2012 is analogous. tea party rising up talking
about the taking the country back. still hatred not as severe but definitely. >> more ahead. president obama going all out in north carolina. we'll be right back. >> respect themselves. the idea that we would put in place in the most prominent, most powerful office in the land somebody who undermines that? and the worst part about it charlotte is we have begun to treat this as if it's normal. g♪ ♪ ♪ girl, where do you think you're going? ♪ is it a professor who never stops being a student? is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own?
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and the reason that's important to understand is because i'm a proud democrat, but -- hold on. i can honestly say to myself that if we as democrats have nominated somebody who said the things mr. trump said, i'd have to say i'm sorry, yes i'm a democrat but i'm an american first. i'm a human being first, a father first. i'm a husband first. and you know, there are republicans who have done that. i have republican friends who don't think or act the way
donald trump does and they don't intend to vote for him because they understand this is somebody different. who is uniquely unqualified to hold this job. and the good news though, north carolina, is that you are uniquely qualified to make sure he doesn't get the job. but you got to vote. you can't just sit on the sidelines, you have to vote. you can't just complain, you got to vote. you can't just get depressed and crawl up in the fetal position and look at online polling and go oh, what's going -- no. you've just got to vote. and the good news is --
>> president obama noun in charlotte, trying to give you as much sense of what is happening on the campaign trail because as you know this is going full bore. lot of surrogates out there. donald trump out there as well. bring you him live as well. equal time to everybody. gary tuckman in charlotte where president obama is. he's been on trail in full force for hillary clinton the last couple of days. i know something notable happened at earlier event. can you describe that? >> reporter: yes. north carolina is important for both candidates. donald trump needs to win it. that's what electoral math indicates. barack obama doesn't have to come but here campaigning for hillary clinton. doesn't have to win it but relishing having barack obama here. because if wins north carolina and find out early in the election night it may be all over. that's why the stakes are
important. made three visits. amphitheater in charlotte and earlier today in the military town of fayetteville, heckler in the audience and barack obama handled the situation differently than historically we've seen donald trump handling similar heckling situations. let's take a look. >> now listen up. i'm serious. listen up. you've got an older gentleman who is supporting his candidate. he's not doing nothing. you don't have to worry about him. this is what i mean about folks not being focused. first of all, first of all- hold up. hold up. first of all. we live in a country that respects free speech.
so second of all, it looks like maybe he might have served in our military and we got to respect that. third of all he was elderly and we got to respect our elders. and fourth of all, don't boo. vote. >> so that was an interesting moment earlier today in faye yetville, north carolina. barack obama was in florida yesterday and surrogate in chief will go back. takes a day off tomorrow and then back in orlando. >> the turnout effort of course is the latino vote. president obama did his part in new interview on latino theemd website me too. >> part of what is important for latino citizens is to make your voice heard because you're not just speaking for yourself but
speaking for family members, friends, class mates in school. >> entire community. >> who may not have a voice, can't legally vote but they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard. >> so far early latino turnout appears heavy but open question whether the big numbers seeing in florida will carry through. joined by cardone that and cortez. >> latino voters showing up in big numbers. could cast more ballots. how much does the clinton campaign need the election day turnout itself to mimic early voting? >> i think going to focus on continuing to bring latinos out. from everything we've seen it's actually working and then some. i talked to you earlier about how the public polls were
severely undercounting the latino vote because don't use bilingual callers. one of the firms that does poll latinos bilingually said turnout was going to be historic. enthusiasm is ten points higher than 2012. they estimate that hillary clinton will get 79 to 80% of the hispanic vote and it's the most important election for 70% or more of latinos in this country. what president obama was just saying is absolutely true. this community feels completely disrespected and the kind of hatred and bigotry that has come out of the trump campaign is absolutely dinively unacceptable and going to make voices heard in a way i don't think we've seen before. historic. >> as trump supporter if you
believe what maria is saying, do you believe it's self-inflicted wound on donald trump based on own comments. past republicans gotten a much higher percentage of the vote. >> clearly i don't believe that. ronald reagan said when i was just a boy, one of the reasons i became a republican hispanic, said that all hispanics are republicans, just don't realize it now. and economic -- and lot of those outside assume we're a monolith and only care about immigration. 1, 2, and 3 are the economics. have done terribly under current president and will do worse under a future. >> if urologyou're logic is cor
have a higher turnout than jornl w. bush. >> that's a high mark no one came to. unfair comparison. >> well a republican. >> fine but outlier. think get there eventually. this election, not sure. wee might. hear a lot from the left when don't want to talk policy, what will help latinos' lives, schools, economic growth. security. they call us bigots constantly. and mainstream media all day every day calls donald trump a racist. it does have an impact. within latin communities i know personally it's hard to say you're a trump supporter. there's a stigma to it and think polling far bellow where we'll be. when it comes to latinos. -- polling ten points ahead of
romney. i'm confident latinos will decide colorado for donald trump. >> also fewer african-americans voting early than in the past elections. how troubling is that? could cancel out gains you believe are made by a growth in latino votes. >> it's something the clinton campaign is looking at but also seeing uptick in the numbers coming out early. but remember this coming weekend is the big push from the faith community in the african-american community. souls to the polls huge get out the vote effort from the churches into the busses to the polling booths happens this sunday. i think clinton campaign is confident will get there. let me address something steve said. huge myth within the republican party and why they've failed so incredibly time and again with hispanics since george w. bush.
pollster of bush said smartly couldn't have become president without 40% of the hispanic vote and that's exactly what he got. matthew doud says today because of the growth, no republican can get to the white house without at least 44% of the hispanic vote. steve is right. economy is number one issue but when you talk in hateful manner amid mixed status families and say we love the parents because here legally. hate your grandparents because not here legally. that's not something. >> respond and then move on. >> we don't say we hate anyone. love immigration and also the law and it's important. by the way the people most unfairly affected by illegal immigration are hispanics. they have to compete in the labor market against illegals
almost always willing to work for far less than the market and deal with the crime issue of illegals, many of whom living openly, hiding in the open in sanctuary cities. we have a situation where opponent favors open borders. said inso in a paid essentially wall street speech in brazil. we love immigration. for sensible immigration and don't believe the people here illegally are the victims but those are americans. >> just for factual correction, actually said she was talking about energy policy of open borders. not obviously security. ubs oubsly you disagree. top democrats call for investigation into the leaks.
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donald trump is speaking now in hershey, pennsylvania, made reference to hillary clinton's event in cleveland saying he doesn't need jay-z to carry the day. >> going to have a great relationship with china. i'm not ang at china but our leaders for allowing so many different countries to rip us off. that's who i'm angry with. that will end. does anyone have any doubt? and we will have honestly a better relationship with most of these countries. reason is they don't respect us, don't respect obama. he's like a cheerleader, jumping up and down all over for hillary. he shouldn't be doing that. he shouldn't be with her. he's got to be working. you know what, we're better off if he doesn't work, only make
bad deals we'll have to unscramble. better off. we've received the first ever endorsement from our ice and border patrol officers. 16, 500, first time ever endorsed a candidate. it's just been reported that as result of open borders, violent cartels spread into all 50 of our states. more than 90% of those arrested are here illegally. thank you very much. they are killing innocent americans, threatening schools, and totally destroying communities. a government that will not protect its people is a government that is unworthy to lead. as secretary of state, hillary clinton allowed thousands and
thousands of the most dangerous and violent criminals to go free because their home countries wouldn't take them back. they bring them to their countries and very intelligently these countries are saying we don't want the murderers, drug kings, gang members. so they bring them in and country say we're not taking them back. bring them back to your country. and she was head of state department and said bring them back. we don't want -- believe me. promise you this. never once will we bring anybody back. never once. and if they come back into our country, one year in jail. if they come back a second time into our country, five years in jail. then ten years in jail and they won't be coming back. very few. when they know that. you know what we do?
capture them over and over and let them go. there have to be consequences folks. there have to be consequences. hillary supports totally open borders, there goes your country. and strongly supports safrpgt wear cities like sfiz where kate steinly was murdered by illegal immigrant who was deported at least five times. not going to happen any more folks. thousands of americans would be alive today if not for the open border policies of obama and clinton. this is includes americans like josh wilkerson, whose mother i've gotten to know in the campaign. josh was a student in high school, good student, good kid. everybody loved him. murdered at age of 17.
he was tortured, strangled, beaten to death by illegal immigrant, and then his body was set on fire. everybody wanted this guy out. they wanted him incarcerated. in july, right here in pennsylvania, an illegal immigrant with a previous deportation record, horrible record, raped a young child. illegal immigrant had been arrested for aggravated assault on numerous occasions but is he was set free. he was set free. everybody that knew him said please, please don't set him he was set free by weak -- >> that's donald trump in pennsylvania. brought you president obama earlier. meantime a controversy of
surrogate. calling for -- after trump supporter former mayor rudy giuliani went on fox and friends this morning. guiliani admitted he was leaked information before it became public on friday. take a look. >> all i heard were former fbi agents telling me there's a revolution going on inside the fbi and it's now at a boiling point. >> so you had a general idea that something was coming? >> i had honestly expected it two or three weeks ago. i did nothing to get it out. had no role in it. did i hear about it? darn right i heard about it. >> told today that he had spoken to former fbi agents upset about the decision not to prosecute clinton in july but didn't know about the new review announced in friday. >> had no conversations with anyone inside the fbi. i have heard for the last four
months a tremendous amount of information about the consternation within the fbi, fact that fbi agents were very unhappy with the way they were treated by justice department. that's all true. but none of it came from any current -- i haven't talked to current fbi agent as i told you in the last, gosh, at least eight or ten months. >> representatives elijah cummings and -- are calling for investigations. >> he made it clear wolf that he was getting information from former fbi agents. now mr. guiliani knows better. he's a former federal prosecutor. you don't use the former prosecutors to launder information coming from the fbi. that's basically what he said. we don't have a system of
justice here where you take innuendo and vague pronouncements and put people's careers and lives and livelihood in jeopardy. just don't do that. >> time for the panel. joining us is matt slab and cnn analyst tom fuentes, worked for the fbi. do you believe mayor guiliani was privy to information or just boasting he was in the loop? >> i don't know mr. guiliani personally and never met him. i don't know one way or the other about that. i think that has to be for him to answer to. interestingly on thursday the day before that letter went out i was at luncheon in downtown washington with about 30 current and retired senior executives of the fbi. this is a society of former agents that meets about once a
month at particular restaurant in downtown washington. so here's a group of us there, have the lunch and guest speaker. when the lunch is over usually many of us congregate after and socialize and talk. i stayed about an hour longer talking to many, many executives. and everything from what they're currently doing to what do they think about some of these cases and obviously the most recent case of the director shutting down the e-mail case in july. but there was not one word spoken at all of anything concerning the possible reopening and then actual reopening that was going to happen the next day. not one of us had any clue about that. no one spoke of it. interestingly on friday i was at -- having lunch with people on a separate matter. not fbi personnel. and restaurant we were in had a giant screen with cnn on it.
one of the people i was having lunch with looked up and said, hey look the fbi is reopening the case on the e-mail. that's the first i heard of it. and i same amount of shock from other agents i've talked to. again retired executives that many i had seen the day before, in san diego at police convention early in the month. none of us had a clue. equally shocked that new information came out. >> tom when you hear congressman cummings and conyers jr. calling for launching investigation into alleged or possible leaks to guiliani, should it ge launched or is this what happened in the waning days of the campaign? >> you can't compare this to the waning days of any campaign. everything that's happened in this case and similar going back months. go back to june when president
clinton gets on the plane with loretta lynch attorney general. foreman president. never had an attorney general say with regard to the clinton case defer to the fbi decision on that. never happened. had individual prosecutors recuse individually or say assistant or deputy attorney general or career prosecutors within the department of justice will be involved now in the decision making but never has the department basically abdicated its responsibility to make the prosecuting decision and defer to the fbi. many of us were not happy when that happened and felt back in july when director comey made that press release on the 5th of july thought this has never happened and shouldn't have happened. should have done what was always done, referred it over to the
complete investigation to the department of justice and if loretta lynch decides that the janitor at doj is going to make the decision, so be it. shouldn't be the fbi. felt from that point on this became a highly political situation. >> tom bring in the panel. angela you talked to congressman cummings. think should be investigate? >> raise a number of good points. one thing say in the letter unacceptable for fbi to leak unsubstantiated and in some cases false information about one presidential candidate to -- equally intolerable. lack of public trust is the issue. cummings talked about with blitzer, can't trust the fbi and don't believe in the system or doj, compromised it.
that's bigger than partisanship. >> i see you shaking head. >> shocking to me. punted it in the summer right? then because the investigation is going on with huma abedin's husband find more information and because doj recused themselves as mr. fuentes just explained, puts the director in bad position. should have been special investigator on this. kicked out of the political realm. you have evidence from the e-mails, people leaking from the fbi. >> you don't know that. >> people leaking from the fbi to reporters. carl knows about this. when a government agency between doj and fbi, they are in complete conflict within the fbi and doj over this, that's why you have special counsels, reason leaking is sometimes needed is times when the
institutions of government is just broken. example of that. if someone involved in that thinks it's in the public good to let information come out to the press why going to be -- >> got to take a break. have more. talk to the panel. lot more to weigh in on. including hillary clinton sharing the first lady's mantra, key words. when they go low we go high but following that? jay-z at rally tonight. ♪ trying to stretch up
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well, we are just four days away from election day, but who's really counting. polls show the race is really tightening. hillary clinton's playbook could be changing. you might remember this moment from the second presidential debate, last month. >> when i hear something like the that, i am reminded of what my friend, michelle obama, advised us all. when they go low, you go high. >> that was then. there on the campaign message lately, though, and it sounds like they're kind of ditching that advice. tom foreman has that. >> just a few days ago, donald trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the ku klux klan. >> reporter: so much for the high road and so much for the fact that trump immediately rejected that kkk support, calling it repulsive. hillary clinton is making hay of it anyway. >> they said it's about preserving white identity and they've placed their faith and hope in him. >> our military is a disaster. >> reporter: on tv, the internet, and especially in the battlegrounds, the biggest names in the democratic party are stepping up the blitz that started a few weeks ago.
then it was senator elizabeth warren in denver, colorado. >> the big, brave donald trump is too chicken to release his tax returns. bok, bok, bok, bok, bok. >> reporter: now it's former president bill clinton further south in pueblo. >> we've got to decide, do we want a change in reality, or reality tv? >> reporter: up in wisconsin, vice president joe biden was playing offense, too. >> he's thoroughly unprepared and unqualified to be the commander in chief of the united states of america. it's not even close. >> clinton's running mate, tim kaine, hit arizona, trying to rally latino voters. >> donald trump said that mexican immigrants are drug dealers, rapists, and murderers. he's a clown. >> reporter: and in north carolina, it was senator bernie sanders pushing women to the polls.
>> and we have come too far in this country to elect a president who objectifies women, who insults women, who brags about his sexual assaults. >> reporter: president obama was even out there, mocking trump over being offended by "saturday night live." >> you want to be president of the united states? come on, man! come on. >> reporter: and first lady michelle obama has been trying to bring it all home. >> make no mistake about it, casting our vote is the ultimate way we go high when they go low. voting is our high. >> reporter: collectively, all these big democrats are hitting the republican nominee on every possible weak spot. and all that talk about taking the high road, that's clearly changed into take any road, as long as it ends at the white house. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. back with the panel. maria, what about that? the whole idea was supposed to be that in the closing days, the
campaign, the democrats would sort of be doing an overarching vision and the polls got tight and now we have this, no? >> and they're doing both. i know that we love to cover hillary clinton when she's really going at donald trump. and frankly, what she is saying is all true. and he's using his own words against him, which i think are quite impactful and quite powerful. it's the same thing that elizabeth warren is doing. the same thing that president obama is doing. frankly, it's the same thing that michelle obama's doing. and if you look at what michelle obama said, she said, going high means going to vote. means making your voice heard. means, making sure that everybody hears loud and clear, especially donald trump, that the way that he has run this campaign with the bigotry and the racism and the misogyny is not going to be accepted, in american culture. >> david? >> i think maybe there's a misinterpretation here. i think there's a basic rule in presidential politics, especially as you're coming down
the last leg of it. and that is when your opponents' poll numbers are going low, you go high. but when the race is close, candidates tend to slug it out. >> we have the michelle obama whisperer, here. >> the issue in this campaign, right now, is donald trump and his fitness to be the president of the united states. that's the bottom line. >> well, also for a lot of trump supporters, hillary clinton and her fitness -- >> that's where i was going. and that's where we are with good reason. and at the same time, what we're also seeing is hillary clinton's world was rocked a week ago. she did want to go high. she wanted to come out of this thing looking toward the transition. well, right now she's looking at the last days of election. and she's had an emotional response among other things. she is in a place she never expected to be. she thought donald trump was going to be the one opponent that she could really wipe off the map. it hasn't happened. her husband has not been an
asset. he's not physically the same bill clinton that we've seen and he's not that well. she's emotional. she's angry -- >> wait. >> she's angry -- no, no. >> let him keep going, please. >> i want to know, how is she displaying emotion? i actually haven't seen her be emotional about this. >> no, i'm saying -- i've talked to people in the campaign and she is emotional. i've written a biography of hillary clinton. i think i know a bit about her. >> i think i do, too. >> she also is in the zone where she's at her best. she's in a warrior mode here. she's doing it calmly. she's eviscerating trump in just the right way. but part of this is because of what happened with comey last -- >> dana? >> so she's calmly emotional. >> i see. >> i just wonder if it was a male candidate, would we use that -- >> absolutely, we would. >> i would sort of say donald trump has been emotional, as well. >> totally, we would. totally, we would.
i don't think this has anything to do with being a woman or a man. no. >> dana? >> whatsoever. >> danger will robinson. i was going to focus on what i was thinking about, as we focus on going high, and going low. it was a nice slogan, a really nice sound bite in a speech. but come on. >> come on, man! >> isn't that the trick of going high. you always say you're going high, but you don't really go high. you just say you are. >> not only did she not go high, the campaign very systemically, very effectivitily, baited donald trump in one event after another after another, whether it was alicia machado or, you know, you name it. now, some of the problems that trump had were self-inflicted, the "access hollywood" tape. but it didn't seem necessarily that she was taking the low road, but she did. there's no question, she was playing very, very hard ball. very down and dirty politics. >> and donald trump certainly is also, you know, going after character issues, as well.
it is interesting, though, in these final days to see him on prompter more than we ever have. >> it is interesting. and we've seen president obama trying to bait him endlessly and it hasn't worked. and we've seen donald trump bring up the fbi scandal a bit. and we've seen him give -- >> he did come close, when he gave that pep talk to himself. donald, stay calm. >> i want to point out, quickly, that going high, apparently means clucking like a chicken? >> that was hilarious. >> when maria said she's using his words against him, i was like, i've never heard him cluck like a chicken. >> if she gets to the inaugural, is elizabeth warren going to do that on the capitol steps? >> we've got to take a quick break. many events happening live tonight. and new potential clues we're getting from early voting. we'll talk about that, what it could mean for clinton and trump as they campaign tonight in key battleground states. ( ♪ ) ♪ they tell me i'm wrong ♪
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good evening tonight. topping the hour, both presidential candidates pulling out the stops, trying to establish momentum going to campaign 2016's final weekend. donald trump in the battleground state of pennsylvania, hillary clinton in ohio, alongside jay-z and beyonce. surrogates for both sides dotting the map. the reason is clear, polls are tight. our cnn battlefield map is shifting. courts are issuing last-minute