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hello. i'm brianna keilar in nor wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in washington. from wherever you're watching around the world, thank you for joining us. up first, donald trump vows to separate himself from his businesses to focus on the business of running the country. earlier today the president-elect tweeted, i will be holding a major news conference in new york city with my children on december 15th to discuss the fact that i will be leaving my great business in
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total in order to fully focus on running the country, in order to make america great again. trump's announcement comes as his economic team is taking shape. pick for treasury secretary former goldman sachs partner stephen mnuchin who led the company that bought failed subprime lender indymac for pennies on the dollar. a good investment on his part. also a hollywood movie producer whose films include "american sniper" and "the lego movie" trump's pick for commerce secretary, wilbur ross, resurrecting dies companies and his company owned the mine where it miners were killed in a an explosion a couple months after his corporation took it over. and phil mattingly has the late effort on the president-elect's cabinet picks and senior political reporter manu raju is on capitol hill for us where vice president-elect is paying a
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visit. what do these selections of ma nu nuch -- mnuchin and ross single about the economic policy? >> reporter: sounds like an aggressive economic agenda next year, including taxes. mnuchin and ross aggressive proponents of significantly cutting taxes including corporate taxes. expect it to be a centerpiece of that agenda as well mr. ross, the billionaire investors, a sharp critic of china. so this is something, of course, donald trump raled on time and again, on the campaign trail. significant that clearly the trump administration plans to move forward on in the new congress. also, mr. mnuchin talking about doing a sweeping tax package including a child tax credit, helping with families on taking parental leave policies as well. that child tax credit policy part of a larger overall
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sweeping package they want to ena enact. to do that, it will take a significant amount of support both from democrats and some republicans. not an easy task, but donald trump is putting his team in place to enact what he wants to push through. a big economic agenda at the beginning of the new congress. >> and, phil, this other announcement, an announcement of an announcement, i guess you could say, that donald trump is saying he's going to totally get out of his business. is he really going to do that? because some people say the only way for him to get out of his business totally and not have a conflict of interest is sell off his interests and not have his kids running it. we don't get a sense that's going to happen. >> no indication that's the pathway he'll take. what we learned from the tweets this morning a news conference, which he hasn't had in more than 120 days. that was the news. terms of actual details what he's going to do to address the conflicts of interest, everybody has a lot of questions. the idea that we're all trying to work through right now and frankly when you talk to trump
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advisers, they acknowledge their ethics lawyers are working on this trying to work through, something without precedent. something we haven't seen at a level of office like this before. coming in with an international company, with a number of different ties with close ties to business leaders isn't all sorts of countries that the united states does business with, has key foreign policy relationships with. they're trying to figure all of that out now. one key thing to keep an eye on, you hit the name on the head. the president-elect said repeatedly he wants to hand off his businesses to his children. if he does that, children on the transition team, taken part in calls with foreign leaders and his son-in-law is a key crucial adviser throughout the campaign and during the transition nap would not eliminate conflict of interest as all. no matter what his role is, so long as his kids are involved. a lot of questions, no clear answers. add advisers said repeatedly, voters put the president-elect into the white house knowing this existed. the idea he'll step back
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entirely end connections to his businesses, you won't see that. >> i don't think so. called it a legal thicket earlier. a good description. manu, big meeting with the vice president-elect. tell us, on thrilcapitol hill. tell us about this? >> meeting with republican leaders including house speaker paul ryan, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell showing how significant a role mike pence is playing as liaison with a lot of former colleagues on capitol hill agency they try to put together an agenda pushing forward in the first several months of the new congress. a lot of business they need to get through on the house and senate side. coordinating repeal of obama care and get any support for a bill actually replacing obama care. something they would need democratic support for. no guarantee there, but also i mentioned taxes. how to move forward on taxes. and paul ryan wants to move forward with a significant overhaul of medicare. add to that, making a list of confirmations that need to take place in the senate early next
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year including over supreme court nominee, whenever that comes down from donald trump. so a lot of things they need to coordinate, one reason why pence is up here continuing these meeting on capitol hill and significantly showing his role in this administration about what that agenda will look like in the beginning of the new year. >> manu raju, phil mattingly thank you. president-elect trump's pick for treasury secretary says tax reform a top rirpriority. biggest overhaul since the reagan years. a member of the presidential transition team executive committee and founder and partner of skybridge capital. sir, thanks for being with us from new york to talk about important economic plans. i want to talk to you during the campaign when we heard donald trump criticizing hillary clinton and her ties to wall street. now he's chose an former wall street banker for treasury secretary. what do you say about that to
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people who say it's a contradiction? and do you think it will matter to americans? >> well, first of all i don't think it matters to americans but i want to address the contradiction a little bit. steven was there, left in 2002. the last 14 years, he hasn't had anything to do with goldman sachs. moreover, built two other successful businesses. he's been successful at an investment bank. >> running a hedge fund. >> yep. been successful running a hedge fund and successful as a hollywood movie producer. last, not least, been super successful as a financier where the president-elect gave him that responsibility in mid-june, and i think he did an amazing job of putting that thing together. he's incredibly well organized. i know him, for a long time, he also was a major author of a lot of the tax and economic policies that are on our website. he will be the person at the front edge of the administration bringing tax policy to the hill
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and the president-elect known him 20-plus years and has an enormous. of confidence in his capabilities. he's a commercial guy, but also an astute political person and a great relationship person. so with the american people, a job like that, they want someone who knows the market, someone they can trust to help guide the united states, and our market stability. somebody that understands the need for a strong dollar and a fair, free trade policy. somebody said earlier, i was listening to the show, wilbur ross is against free trade nap is categorically not true. all we are suggesting from the trump new administration is that we get the trade deals to be more fair to the american worker, and to the middle class. that's all we're looking for. we wand free trade. >> let me ask about that. i want to talk about something stephen mnuchin talked about for tax reform. what he said on c nbsz. cnbc. >> any reductions in upper income taxes yuf set by less
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deductions, no tax absolute tax cut for the upper class. there will be a big tax consult for the middle class. >> okay. so explain this to us, because when donald trump ruled out his tax plan -- rolled out his tax plan, seven tax brackets down to three reducing the top tax brackets and others and corporate tax reduction, analysts looked at that, and they said the people getting the biggest tax cut are actually going to be the wealthiest. here you have mnuchin saying something entirely differently. offset by a cap in mortgage deductions seems, by changes to charitable deductions. how do you square that when that's not what we heard during the campaign? >> listen, they're both sort of right. looking at it superficially, the margin's tax rates for the wealthy are going to go down. but what stephen was trying to say today is that through the elimination of some of these deduction, might about cleaner way to do the taxes, offer more
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simplification and less labor on the accounting side, you'll try to even it out for the wealthy. so they may not necessarily get a tax cut, but they'll have a way simpler process to do their taxes. what the president has mandated what he suggests to everybody on his economic team, he really wants to help the middle class and working-class families. that's where we have to provide the relief so they can go out and do the things we want them to do, which is spend their money, build their homes. create great education for their children. and so one of the things we have to do with our tax policy is make it easier to understand and sandy signal to everybody. working-class people, middle-class people and ceos in the crete suite, america is open for business and repatriate money from offshore of the united states, bring it back here, deploy that capital, brianne narcs creating jobs and more opportunity. they're both right, but i think there's a little more derivative
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nuance in what stephen is saying and a very exciting time for all of us. >> the rich will not actually get a tax cut then? is that what you're saying? that's what he's saying. >> look at the way -- yes, that is correct. look at the current plan, the way it is structured, go to, to the website. you'll see the tax relief is really going to come to the corporations, where the tax rate will be reduced from 35 down to 15. makes us globally competitive, and then to the middle and lower classes in terms where the brackets are, a reduction in the bracket, but through the elimination of deductions to the wealthy, they'll be at a revenue neutral position. >> all right.scaramucci. >> your accountant will not like it, but you will.
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>> we'll see. we'll talk about it once under way and see if these are the details that it sticks to, anthony. thank you. talk about this with david macanar and jackie kucinich, the washington dbureau chief for "te daily beast ". a big effort for tax reform. is this really going to happen and is there really not going to be a tax cut for the wealthy? because that seems, completely different from what we expect ? ed? >> both sides in washington talked about restructuring tax for a long time and not the will across the aisle. republicans taking charge across the board, paul ryan wants to get moving. the question, how you do it. a lot of skepticism about tax
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cut for corporations and wealthy, even if the deductions, talked about president obama as well. >> how do you capitalize on the mortgage deduction? people bank on that and don't like change. people do not like change. >> where the resistance is coming from. members hearing from districts saying you can't do this. one of the problems with tax reform is the sacred cows. right? no one wants to give up something that will benefit their district, their people. so that is going to be the pull and tug on the hill we'll see over the next year. >> maybe they'll be able to do it, but it would be something we've not seen the will as you mentioned, to have done before. let's talk about donald trump. making this announcement. put out a tweet that he is going to be leaving his business totally. the question is, is he really going to do that? because some people say, many people look and say, look, unless he sells his interest in this and his kids aren't running it you're not totally leaving the business.
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they're his advisers. >> your reporter said earlier, we don't know the details but the children are involved in the news conference december 15th the president-elect said will happen giving an indication they'll probably have a role in the business going forward. up at trump tower. talks about how great his businesses are. loves them. he sends signals that whatever sort of imagination he comes back to say he's removed from the business, his family, children, can be involved. i think that will continue to raise questions and potentially investigations down the line. >> he doesn't care, i don't care about the businesses, that isn't the case. what he told the "new york times." why he's not leaving it, giving it to someone else, he's passing it on to his kids. there is going to have to be some sort of bright line or is going to be a headache, because eastern the appearance of impropriety isn't good. still cast as shadow and could do so over his presidency. when he actual lly really wantso
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get stuff done i. was listening to a democratic operative who said, republicans who are insisting that this isn't a big deal are not doing donald trump any favors to reinforce that thought, because this is what is going to be "the thing" you would expect, that comes up over and over. that an issue is made of, and i mean, we just see even now some of the conflicts, and it's sort of this thing that just keeps churning. >> any decision he makes in the white house regardless whether he's, thinking of his business or not will be interpreted he is thinking about his business. complicates this. >> his children do, travel, the travel his children do, if they're doing anything with foreign governments, that's going to be seen as a potential conflict. very large and very small. goes down to even taking out a hotel room at the trump hotel and seeing if that could curry favor. it really is complicated and frankly unprecedented. >> foreign governments will want to do this. wanting favors. >> sure. saw it even with the clinton
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foundation. bill clinton himself admitted some people are, sure, some people are trying to get access. >> why it's important. >> we're seeing that. >> i want to talk about mitt romney, because i just wonder, who is going to get secretary of state? such an important position. and he's been discuss now for some time, so much intern conflict including opposition from donald trump top aides, general petraeus also in the running, should say. donald trump met with mitt romney last night astounding in public having dinner. >> the campaign says they're getting to know each other well. didn't know each other well before this. allowing them to feel each other out, talk about global events and everybody had a good time. 2340ez clo those close to romney, around romn romney, think he'll be offered this. whether donald trump is parading him around hoping to humiliate him or choose someone closer to
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him, it is, curious. why he's going along with t. a sense donald trump is intrigueed by this, the team of rivals making amends to some are degree. bringing someone who disagreed with him into the fold. going out to dinner, another one of his properties, having dinner, allowing press in, they haven't always done, in to see it and make the governor available for comment afterward was remarkable and a stage craft, which donald trump is always thinking about leading one to say it will be humiliating if he doesn't get the job. on the other hand, what does it say they are doing it publicly? >> it will be humiliating if he doesn't get the job. but you saw him -- grovel? is that accurate to say that? mitt romney once said donald trump was a con man, effusive with praise for him and also commending him bringing inclusivity on the day he tweets
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about people should go to jail for burning the flag. >> my, my, how things have changed. >> this isn't something that doesn't happen with mitt romney. he is someone known to change his mind. >> right. >> and perhaps another chapter in that part of mitt romney's career. but certainly parading him around like this is just -- it's unusual and as you said, stagecraft. this is very much "the apprentice: secretary of state" edition. >> certainly is. coming up, no charges filed in a deadly police shooting sparking protests across north carolina and the nation. why the officer was cleared in the killing of keith lamont scott, we'll talk about that. later, now revealing new details about the man who went on the attack on the campus of ohio state university. stay with us.
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officials in charlotte, north carolina, are calling for calm in the wake of the district attorney's decision not to charge an officer in a police-shooting there. this sometimes led to violent protests. >> after a thorough review and
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given the totality of the circumstances and credible evidence in this case, it is my opinion that officer vinson acted lawfully when he shot mr. scott. he acted lawfully. let me be clear -- i have not and will not condone violence or property damage as a means of expression. but the fact that criminal charges are not appropriate under the law in this particular case does not mean we can dismiss the concerns expressed by those who raise their voices to raise the consciousness of this community. >> dashcam footage show as plain-clothed officer with his weapon drawn on scott as he gets out of the car. the prosecutor said at least three officers reported seeing scott holding a gun as he stepped out of a vehicle and refused to obey commands to drop it. scott was shot four times by that officer. cnn correspondent brian todd joining us from charlotte and cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor laura coates
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here with me in washington. brian, give us the very latest on what you are hearing from where you are. >> reporter: brianne narcs bottom line from district attorney andrew murray was that officer brently vinson felt under immediately threat from keith lamont scott. threat he was going to be killed by mr. scott, and the d.a. laid out findings and evidence which he says point to the fact that he believes that the officer was in eminent danger. first and foremost the d.a. says when the officers approached scott in his car he was sitting inside his car just before the shooting saying that scott saw them, he reached for his gun, that he ignored commands to drop his gun, ignored at least ten commands to drop his gun. that the d.a. said scott took a deep breath, exited his vehicle with his gun in his hand and stepped back and assessed the officers. the d.a. said mr. scott actually looked at officer vinson then looked at other officers then back at vinson. at that point according to the d.a. vincent thought he was in
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imminent danger of getting shot so he fired four shots at keith lamont scott. three of those actually hit scott. that was really the bottom line from the d.a., that the officer felt he was in imminent danger. to the claims by scott's family mr. scott did not have a gun, the d.a. said that is unequivocally not the case showing video evidence he had a gun in aholster as he entered a convenience store minutes before the shooting and had a holster on his right ankle moments before the shooting. to the claims by some the white officers on the scene shot keith lamont scott, the d.a. said, every piece of evidence they have show that is not the case. only for shots fired at keith scott and all four came from officer vinson's gun. i asked the d.a., did keith scott ever raise his gun towards the officer? the d.a. said from every indication from the officers on the scene he did not actually
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raise his hand. none the less, officer vinson felt he was in imminent danger and said he has to fire the shots. >> a really good question, brian. giving clarity to what the district attorney was thinking and then laura coates, we then heard the d.a. talk about reaction time. that actually for scott to have lifted, if he were to, lifted his hand and point the weapon at the officer, that research shows that at best it could be a tie. so that he was trying to make the point the officer was very much at risk. i know that you see issue with that. >> well, that is an issue. not because it undermines the d.a.'s ultimate conclusion, but all this has done in realtime when an officer has a threat, lethal threat or otherwise, they have to, in realtime, make decisions. the fact they're able to use documented evidence or statistics to talk about reaction time, may or may not have been a factor in this officer's decision to actually
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shoot mister, keith la mornt scola mont scott. whether in realtime he was reasonable. based what the d.a. did lay out, objectively speaking based on what he said was true and if it in fact was true, the officer may have, in fact, perceived a reasonable threat. not simply because he had his arm down to his side and there was a gun that we seem -- there was a gun in the actual picture, but because he failed to obey an order to dlorop that weapon contributing to the officer the perception of lethal force. >> let's continue to listen to the d.a. >> mr. scott's gun, colt 3 automatic recovered at the scene. one round in the chamber. safety off. gun cocked. mrs. scott maintained in interviews and the media that mr. scott did not have a gun. >> that was -- that is snag
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sto something stood out to me. family members, witnesses, insisted he actually had a book and they say no book. found no book in the front or back seat and furthermore, the d.a. talks about a number of people giving accounts to cameras, and then saying to law enforcement actually, you know what jie wasn't there. i didn't see it. >> right. what you have now, remember, excruciating audio footage from the wife saying, he doesn't have a gun. he has a tbi. and then these statements undermined by people in the community. speak one way in front of the media and social media and before an fbi agent had a very different story. you have inconclusive, showing a gun in his hand, you're left with the credibility of the officers on the scene and people saying they're eyewitnesses. when the eyewitnesses turned out to have given false narratives, i don't want to call it a lie. perhaps a false narrative, you
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have three officers -- >> they saw something, they didn't see. >> false. wasn't a lie. you have credibility. who's going to win? an officer deemed more credibility than somebody promoting a lie of some sort. that inconclusive data, all the prosecutor has to do rely on the officers. what i liked about the d.a. said, most haven't pointed out, the fact he was trying to not only dismantle the theory they were going to be lax in their investigation, also a lot of racial baiting going on throughout the course of the coverage when it first happened. because people were saying a white officer, et cetera. >> they believe solely the black officer? >> solely the black officer and that officer came forward saying it was him. trying to not only do an effective analysis of the investigation of what happened, also to try to alleviate concern. >> they're bracing to see the after-effects of this. laura coates, thank you, thank
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you to brian todd as well. coming up, decision day for democrats in the house. minority leader nancy pelosi maybe in danger of losing her role as the top democrats in house in uncertain political times. did she hold off the challenge and what's next for the democratic party? that may be the real question.
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all right. we are looking in on a press conference here. ohio state university police, and representatives talking about that attack that we saw there this week. let's listen in. >> -- officially, the various law enforcement agencies involved in various components of this investigation. and because we are talking about an investigation and not prosecution, most of the relevant information is going to come from my colleagues in law enforcement and i'll yield the podium to them very shortly. i did want to say on behalf of the united states attorney's office and department of justice, first give our regards to the victims of the offense and our prayers for their speedy and complete recovery. our thanks to the ohio state police, the columbus police and the fbi's joint terrorism task force for their excellent response and coordination with each other, which is really excellent collaboration among law enforcement agencies. my role, the united states
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attorneys' office role here and the department of justice is to provide whatever support we can in terms of legal process for the ongoing investigation. now, because we are talking about an ongoing investigation and legal process, unfortunately we're not going to be in a position to provide certain details about what's going on. nevertheless, i do they it might be helpful for you to hear from the various different law enforcement components as to what they are doing and then after they can give you a briefing from each agency's perspective. we can come back and answer any questions that you might have. so -- with that i would yield the podium to special agent in charge angela byers of the fbi cincinnati field division. >> thank you, ben. good afternoon. i'm angela byers, special agent in charge of the cincinnati fbi office, which also includes columbus. first i want to thank the ohio
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state university and the greater columbus community for their support in the aftermath of monday's attack on campus. our sympathies go out to everyone who is impacted by this tragedy. the men and women of the fbi are part of this great community and we will be with you, united as we move forward, together. we are all buckeye strong. i want to commend the ohio state university police department and the department of public safety for their swift actions to protect students, faculty and staff in the wake of monday's attack. the officer involved took decisive steps to end the immediate threat and the university wisely activated the buckeye alert system, which helped alert those on campus of the danger. the fbi led joint terrorism task force, including the columbus division of police, the columbus division of fire, the ohio state
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university police department and the franklin county sheriff's office has been working together to determine as much as possible about the attacker abdul razak ali artan. these efforts include the detailed analysis of electronic devices, social media accounts and other materials. the joint terrorism task force and our partners have conducted dozens of interviews with family members, co-workers, neighbors and others. these efforts will continue with an immense amount of local and federal resources being devoted to this investigation. at this time, we are not aware of anyone else being involved in the planning of this attack, but the investigation continues. it appears that artan may have at least been inspired by anwar awlaki and the islamic state and we will continue to pursue this
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as part of this investigation. please understand that this investigation is very comprehensive, and thorough, as we meticulously go through evidence, intelligence and inference to determine what may have led to this attack. it will take time. at this point in the investigation, we want to ask the public for assistance in one specific area. we ask for anyone with credible information about artan's whereabouts on monday morning prior to the attack at 9:52 a.m. to call 1-800-call-fbi. again, 1-800-call-fbi. while we know several details about his travels that morning, we want to fill in any time that is not accounted for. we appreciate your support and assistance. i want to, again, thank all of our partners, including the ohio state university police department, the columbus division of police, the columbus division of fire and our partner
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agencies on the joint terrorism task force for all of their work on this continuing investigation. we will provide updates as the investigation permits. thank you. i next want to introduce columbus division of police deputy chief mike woods. >> thank you. just to, a couple comments to back up special agent byers comments. i'm michael woods, columbus police homeland security subdivision. we echo the thoughts of the fbi and express sympathies to all those involved in the attack on monday. we are extremely grateful no innocent lives were lost and hopeful all victimless make a full recovery, and we also want to thank public officials across columbus that responded and assisted in this effort. our training, planning we've done for several years now came into play, and we were very happy with the success and the
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response. as mentioned, our investigators assigned to the jttf and counterterrorism unit of working with the jttf to provide information on the background of the attacker and trying to work that timeline and provide any information we can. from the columbus police perspective, this is a two-part investigation. the first part is the component we're working with the fbi in relationship to the attacker and any motive that he may have had, and the second component is the investigation into the police-involved shooting. although these are two separate components, they, the investigators are communicating with each other and sharing all information to make sure we have a clear picture of what took place. deputy chief richard blash come up next to speak of specifics involved with the police-involved shooting as well as aggravated assault on the victims. >> thank you, mike. >> hello. i'm richard bash.
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i am the investigative subdivision in columbus. the critical incident response team known at cirt, tanked with the investigation including assaults committed by the assailant and resulting use of deadly force by the ohio state university police officer. this incident as with every other police-involved shooting that we investigate is a criminal investigation and conducted just as any other criminal investigation would be conducted. as this is also an open investigation, some details cannot be shared and will not be shared until the conclusion of all criminal proceedings. these investigations are exhaustive, and will take great deal of time to complete, and our focus is on an accurate and complete investigation. so no stone will be left unturned. upon completion of this investigation it will be submitted to the franklin county
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prosecutor ron o'brien's office. mr. o'brien's long-standing policy is to present each and every police-involved shooting that results in death to a grand jury, and i don't expect this to be any exception. for them to review that for consideration. lastly, i would like to ask anyone who has additional information about this incident and has not yet spoken with a police detective, to give us a call at 614-645-4146. that's the number to our homicide section and we would greatly appreciate any information they could give us. thanks for your time. >> oh. thanks. >> all right. so, if there are questions, we're willing to try to entertain some of them now. >> [ inaudible ]. >> yes. >> [ inaudible ] wondering what is the program that brought this man's family to the united states? he was, you know, originally somalia, wasn't he in pakistan
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for years? so what -- [ inaudible ] there was a refugee -- that brought him here? >> do you want to address that or would you like me to address that? go ahead. >> so to repeat the question, she was asking how mr. artan arrived in the united states. what program he came in to. he was a somali refugee here now. we can tell you had e did come here from pakistan, where he arrived but really can't get into further background of his immigration to the united states. >> [ inaudible ] same refugee program that -- >> i really can't answer questions as far as the immigration program. that's not what we are involved in. >> at this point, do you have any direct evidence of connection with isis as a contact with anyone from isis [ inaudible ] the [ inaudible ]. >> as i previously stated, all we know at this point is we believe he may have been inspired by anwar awlaki as isis
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or isil. our investigation will determine that. it's too soon to draw any type of conclusions. >> [ inaudible ] posts or -- other findings also with the [ inaudible ]. >> we are looking at the facebook posts and trying to determine the authentication. so that is one thing that leads us to believe that it's possible that he may have been inspired. by anwar awlaki. >> do you have [ inaudible ] i don't have that information available. i'm sorry. >> and [ inaudible ] work -- while sort of -- [ inaudible ] morning of the attack. >> question was, do we know if think was premeditated, came up with the plan previously or came up with the plan that morning? we don't know. one thing we're trying to work on. the motive and when he came up with that plan. that's why we are asking anybody's assistants that may know any of his whereabouts that
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morning. >> and [ inaudible ] the -- >> part of the investigation. i really can't get into it right now. >> what about isis taking responsibility or claiming that this is their encouragement? particularly [ inaudible ] -- >> no. as i've said, we only believe that he may have been inspired by isil. in the past they have claimed responsibility when the, the assailant has been dead, that can't refute that. so that makes it pretty easy for them. >> and talk about the way, the way this -- this was carried out? a lot of terrorism experts are saying that isis put out videos explaining how to kill people with knives, how to use cars. can you go into whether or not this was very similar into what propaganda is online, inspiring others to carry out attacks like this [ inaudible ] outside -- >> so that's a very long
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question. if i could maybe try to summarize that. he's basically trying to determine if, what, was isis out there putting this information out there as to, this is a method. we have seen those methods being used already. so we don't know whether that's something that he's getting from something that isis is putting out there or whether he's inspired by other attack. we really are still trying to determine that motive. >> we are hearing he did buy the knife on the morning, we're hearing at a walmart. were you kwemconfirm that and t us where in town? >> the deputy chief will answer that. >> we do know he purchased a knife that morning. at a walmart on the west side of columbus, what we don't know if that purchase was the knife used in the attack. that's another item we have to follow-up on but we know a purchase was made that morning. >> and what kind of holes, who you say, you have in the timeline for monday morning -- [ inaudible ]. >> right now a lot of holes in that i would say that we have
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basic information about the purchase of the knife. we know the time of the attack. we also know we have some footage from osu university about where the vehicle was. that time in between the purchase and the arrival on campus we want to fill in. so that's why we want that public help to tell us if they saw something, what did they say, where they saw it, what time it was. help us fill that timeline in. >> what was the time frame of -- >> i don't have an exact figure. it's a several hour time from the purchase until the attack. >> do you know why that building? do you know why he specifically chose that building? >> yeah. that's all part of the investigation. there's really no determination as to why, why ohio state. why that particular building. why that street. that's all, all the information we're trying to decipher from any electronic signatures he's left behind. why did he go there? >> and questions about --
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[ inaudible ]. >> we don't know that. we'll have to check with ohio state on that. >> and any -- [ inaudible ]. >> have you been able to determine if that gas leak, report add gas leak. was that truly a coincidence? >> we believe that was coincidence from ohio state. we believe that alarm went off the friday before so it may have been a problem with the alarm. that morning it did go off. we also received a 911 call i believe from someone inside the building reporting the alarm. we have interviewed that person and believe that the alarm related to the fluorine leak was all coincidental. >> and the morning -- >> i'm not saying a 911 call but we did receive a phone call from an osu staff member indicating they had the leak and we contacted that person and interviewed them. >> and monday morning? >> that was monday morning. >> was there a person shot in the -- reported by one media outlet, and i never heard about it again. >> deputy chief bash can speak to that investigation. >> that is correct.
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we did have a bystander, a witness, who was shot in the bottom of the foot. that is correct. >> [ inaudible ]. >> what we believe. the only gun at the scene we believe was there was that of the police officer. >> and comment on what the osha police officer and how many times he told the suspect to drop his knife before he shot him? can you elaborate -- >> i can't elaborate much as you know, this is an ongoing criminal investigation. we know from some of the witnesses he did instruct him to drop the knife, more than once. that much we do know. >> did any of the victims know him? did he have a personal relationship with any one -- hurt? >> i don't have indication they do or did. i don't know if anybody else has any indication that that's the case at all. >> toxicology reports done, talk about [ inaudible ] if that reveals anything. >> a part of the autopsy.
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we haven't received the final report yet. i expect that any day now. >> and [ inaudible ]. >> none yet. thank you. >> and any previous law enforcement contacting on several -- [ inaudible ] the suspect were given -- [ inaudible ] monitored -- any interaction you're aware or -- >> not that i'm aware of. deputy chief woods? angela? >> repeat the question, since people may not have heard. was there any contact or knowledge of any law enforcement of the suspect artan and the fbi, had 23no knowledge of him d no contact with him. he was not subject of any investigation. >> can you talk about -- a lone wolf attack and how difficult to try to find [ inaudible ] are there any indicators to law enforcement, do they need to do a better job controlling social media? that seems to be where -- if this was a case of --
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[ inaudible ]. >> the question is about the lone wolves and being out there in social media. law enforcement does our best to try to within the limits of the law, to see what's out there in social media to try to prevent these types of attacks but we can only do so much. and, you know, some of these people, there is no indication. we believe that post was that morning. so if it is authentic by him, so that would not have helped us, really, to be on to him that quickly and prevent that attack. >> any altercation in previous facebook posts, able to look [ inaudible ] selecting a device that [ inaudible ] is there a bit of a continuum of desperation you could see now in hindsight? and happens create a motive from that? >> so to repeat that question, in reviewing his facebook posts, was there anything obvious that might have been picked up on to
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indicate he was a potential problem. i really can't comment on where we are on the facebook review right now. i know that is ongoing. that takes a while to get the proper legal processes as well as then conduct those reviews of electronic media and social media accounts. >> in talking to neighbors who had contact with him over the last couple of years, they all describe him as a very polite and the respectful, pleasant, active kid. i guess from your interviews and from your looking back at what you have so far, i mean, do you find a different version of this person? >> he wanted to know basically from what is being told in the media, people saying he was a very nice, polite young man, asking whether or not we found anything different in our interviews. i really can't disclose what we're learning in the interviews. that's part of the ongoing investigation. >> and in terms of [ inaudible ]
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describe the retaliation, possible retaliation of f [ inaudible ], does that result in getting information from family members? >> i really -- as far as retaliation would go, we would tell the somali community or any community that feels threatened, contact the local police and we will send officers out and we will investigate that and take the appropriate steps. we have not heard that. we're not seeing that, but if we get those calls we will definitely act upon them. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> i have not meter spoke with the officer personal and as deputy chief bash mentioned, because it's still an ongoing investigation, any contact with him has got to be right now from our standpoint as official so we're waiting to do that official interview with him and
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his shop will take care of that ch. >> i can answer the question about speaking to officthe offi. the question is how he's doing and have we had contact with him. i've spoken to him several times the last was yesterday. i'm impressed by his humility and concern for the victims. we appreciate columbus police and the fbi taking the lead on the officer-involved shooting so we can focus on taking care of the victims and the officer. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> it's too soon to draw any type of conclusions whether or not this is terrorism. we have a long road to go in the
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investigation, we have lots of evidence and lots of digital media to go through and that could uncover a trove of information for us so we can't draw conclusions at this point. >> does everybody in the house where he was living have access to the same computers? >> i can't discuss what we found in the search warrant. we found several electronic media that i can't get into who had access to what media in that house. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> i don't want to get into the numbers of the details of things that were found in that search warrant. >> we have time for four more questions. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> we executed a search warrant on the house. >> as is standard policy we'll execute a search warrant for the vehicle. and any search warrants we may need to get into. anything we find inside that
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car. so cpd has executed one and i think fbi has executed another one at the house. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> the vehicle was -- you asked if the vehicle was registered to him and the vehicle was not registered to him, i believe it was his brother. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> i believe i've already answered that question but to repeat that, any validity to isis claiming responsibility? it's too soon to draw that conclusion. we believe he may have been inspired by anwar al awlaki or isil but they have been known to take credit for incidents like this when the assailant is deceased and cannot refute that. >> last question. >> reporter: can you describe what kind of cooperation or lack of cooperation from the somali
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community? >> we've gotten cooperation with the people we have spoken to. we have a great community outreach with the somali community as does columbus police and we're hoping they won't see retaliation and we are here to pursue any type of civil rights investigations should that happen. >> i'd like to close real quick with this is the second incident in columbus, ohio, within the last year so so what i would like to remind everyone is this can happen in new york city, it can happen in columbus, ohio or any small town in the united states. so what we're asking again is if you see something that's unusual, let us know about it, call the fbi, call the columbus police. we can follow up on that and that's one more step that we can use to maybe prevent one of these attacks in the future. thank you. >> all right, we just watched a live press conference there at ohio state university from a number of law enforcement officials on this attack that we
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saw on the university. 11 people injured by a suspect wielding a knife who has been identified. i want to bring in cnn producer simone prokupecz and tom fuentes joining us by skype. something that struck me from this -- and i don't know that we learned a bunch. >> no, we didn't. >> they did say he was at least inspired by anwar al awlaki who is a cleric, associate of al qae qaeda, killed in 2011. so presumably he was watching these online videos, right? >> perhaps. >> but then she said it's too soon to draw conclusions about terrorism? >> they're being careful. this is what the fbi does. they want to review everything before they make a determination but the fact they're saying he was -- appears to have been inspired tells you everything right there. i think one of the biggest
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things for them right now is they don't know why he chose to do that, to do the attack that morning and what happened. we know from talking to law enforcement that he was having some problems at school and maybe that's why he chose the school to sort of do this attack but we -- >> his mother had told law enforcement that, that he was having some sort of struggles. >> the mother told law enforcement he was having struggles with grades and having a hard time adjusting to school so maybe that could have been what motivated him to sort of go on this attack at the school. but the fbi still does not know for sure that that's the reason why. all they know is that he was inspired by isis and they also believe by al awlaki just from his facebook posting. >> so, tom, they asked people, if you know anything about what happened on this monday morning and as shimon said, they're trying to piece this one together. they know he dropped his sister at school, shimon pointed that out, then he went to walmart that morning and purchased this
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butcher knife, as they have described it. so what are they trying to piece together here? >> well, one of the key factors to piece together, brianna, is whether he met with an individual or group of individuals that might have also further inspired him to actually carried out this act. so what the fbi does in this case -- and i ran two joint terrorism task forces -- is try to reconstruct his movements and activities going back 30 days, 60 days, as far back as they can take it to see if anywhere along the line he attended a meeting or met with a group of others that may have been the people that tipped him over the edge to carry out the attack. they're not trying to do this for the fun of it, they want to know whether anybody else could be involved that may have directly inspired him and might be right now directly inspiring others to do a similar act. >> you're nodding as you hear
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tom saying that about what they're trying to piece together. >> i think they have a pretty good idea here. i think publicly they want to be really careful and they should be. we've seen this in the orlando attack, in san bernardino, so for them it's to be careful and make sure they have pieced everything together and like tom said, one of the most important things for them right now to make sure he wasn't communicating with anyone else. while they believe he wasn't directed by isis or some other terrorist organization they can't say that 100% because they haven't gone through all his phones yet. they haven't gone through the computers yet. >> they haven't been able to do that. >> they have started the process but it takes time and they're being slow and methodical about it and they're -- they had to get search warrants. but there's nothing to indicate he was communicating with anyone outside of the u.s. or was directed. >> so then this is the concern, tom, and certainly not just in this case which thankfully it wasn't lethal for anyone but the suspect. that is certainly the concern
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that if someone like him becomes self-radicalized and you heard authorities pushing back on the idea that yes he may have posted something on the internet but it was that days in such proximity to the attack it doesn't give them any time to work to do any intervention. >> that's true. i think that's what you heard from the special agent in charge that it was such a recent posting that they didn't have time to act on it. even if they'd been made aware of it it would be difficult to track him down. where was he, he's not in his own vehicle so that would have made it difficult even if they put it out a be on the lookout notice. these are difficult circumstances. what's difficult for authorities around the country is you don't have to look at an al awlaki video or isis, the thousands of videos that put out everyday, you can turn on cable news or local tv news and hear all about this and how he did it and why he may have done it and you could have people all over the country that are on the tipping point of maybe being
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self-inspired by the media. >> tom fuentez, shimon prokupecz, thank you. that's it for me. wolf is back at 5:00 eastern and the news continues now on cnn. hi there, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. let's begin in charlotte, north carolina, where we learned a police officer there won't face charges for killing a father of seven as this father got out of an suv. this is near his home this set off massive protests by this use of police after this man's widow recorded his killing on video. the prosecutor revealing