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hello. thank you for joining me. i'm joe johns. we begin this hour with breaking news. death toll now stands at 30 in the oakland warehouse fire. officials there are expected to give an update in the next hour on the continuing recovery efforts. here's what we know so far. officials say this is now the deadliest fire in the city's history. the coroner asking family and friends of possible victims to preserve items that may contain dna to help with identification. some of the victims were transgender and officials working to identify the victims in the way they would be want to be identified. so far, the recovery has been pain staking. about 20% of the building has
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been searched. stephanie elam is in ek land for us. stephanie, it sounds like the process is proving to be very challenging. >> reporter: very challenging and very slow. they're going through the building what's left of it very methodically and you may hear generator buzz because officials say they're dissecting the building and pulling out parts getting in the way and may have survived the fire to go in and search through this debris and also search and find anymore victims that may be there. and to that point, we did hear sheriff saying from alameda saying some bodies are easily identifiable and others are and please listen to what captain had to say about asking family to do. >> i'd like to can the loved ones of the missing to preserve sources of dna and that could be hair brushes, combs or tooth
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brushls. we ask that those items placed in a secure, clean paper sack. do not send them to the coroner's bureau. we skeel for them as we need them. >> reporter: so this goes to the point that some of the people in there, there may not have been enough to identify for them by or dental records, also if they had i.d. on them. that would help them out, as well. for others, they will have to do it with the dna matching process and so for those people to identify them, it takes weeks, joe. >> weeks. to identify people in the building just the other day and all this happened. do we have some sense as to how long this process is actually going to take, stephanie? >> reporter: well, that's what they're saying. they thought it might be faster but looking at how the building collapsed, the roof fell in on top of the second floor, the fact of the debris where a lot of people have been found and they've only gotten through 20%
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of the building, they're taking their time and shovel by shovel, bucket by bucket. about a dozen people in there. moving the debris out and looking for people and if you notice, if you can look behind me, you can see that they have it blocked off and can't see what's happening and that's because there's still a recovery mode here. they're still looking for more bodies, more of the people who lost their lives here and so that's why they have it that way. a very, very grim situation here in oakland, joe. >> that's for sure. thank you so much for that, stephanie elam. joining me now is arson investigator john lintini. john, at this point in the process what we haven't talked about yet so far is the cause. the cause of this fire. what are investigators doing to try to get at that after they've finished the recovery? >> well, not a whole lot they can do. and unless there's something that like an electrical device
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that went south. they're not going to find much. it's very difficult to determine even where it started in a situation like this because the building became fully involved. and it's been the conventional wisdom that you look for the deepest char. well, this whole thing is very deeply charred and the deepest char just means where it got the hottest and that's probably because of the ventilation that happened late in the fire. so, this looks like a very, very difficult scene to investigate. they're going to have to get some heavy equipment to get that metal roof structure out of there. and they'll go through it very carefully and of course one thing they'll do is bring in some canines to see if they can smell any evidence of accelerants. >> so, listening to what you just said, it would make me think there's a possibility they won't find a cause. do you think they will find a cause? and how long do you think the
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process could take? >> well, once they get through with the recovery aspect, they can move pretty quickly. once you're not concerned about, you know, damaging the remains of the victims then you can move pretty quickly. it is just that there's a very good chance they will not find a cause or if they do it will be contested. >> in other words, there will be people who dispute that that was the cause they seized on? >> correct. >> okay. all right. so now we know some things about this building. with e know there are pictures online of what it looked like inside before the fire and we know that there were some citations apparently from inspectors who came and saw things that were wrong. is there anything about this particular building that stands out to you? >> oh yeah. this building had no business hosting 100-plus people. they had turned it into a place of assembly and the rules for places of assembly are different
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from warehouses. my understanding is that the only stairway from the first floor to the second floor was a makeshift stairway play out of palettes and i can't think of anything more dangerous to make it out of. they're a mixture of fuel and air. it's a wide open stairway. you don't have open stairways like that in places of assembly. this building was being used illegally and i don't know what the authorities knew about it ahead of time but those stairs themselves i'm sure that they allowed that in a warehouse. >> sure sounds that way and we are looking for the authorities to give us some sense about the violations of law that they believe existed there. but -- and there's even some stuff on the record but we'll wait for the determination from the authorities which will be the final word. thank you so much for that, john lentin i.
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okay. arguably it is one of the most important roles in a president's cabinet and donald trump is going to interview even more candidates for a secretary of state this week. senior adviser tells cnn the search is actually expanding. meanwhile, the president-elect is announcing more proposals that he hopes will save american jobs. he's doubled down on the threat against companies that move operations abroad. in a series of tweets, he writes, quote, any business that leaves our country for another country fires its employees, builds a new factory or plant in
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the other country and thinks it will sell the product back in the u.s. without retribution or consequence is wrong. also today, vice president-elect mike pence giving more details about trump's headline-making phone call with the president of taiwan. so let's go to cnn's ryan nobles outside transition headquarters, trump tower. ryan, what is mike pence saying? >> reporter: well, for the most part, joe, the vice president-e verdict is defending the president-elect's decision to take that phone call from the president of taiwan. he said that really there's much too made about the phone call. listen to what he said this morning on nbc. >> i think the conversation that happened this week with the president of taiwan was a courtesy call. she reached out to the president-elect and he took the call from the democratically elected leader of taiwan and it is one of more than 50 telephone calls that the president-elect
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has taken from and made to world leaders in the midst of a historic pace and cabinet appointments and senior appointments, building a legislative agenda. even traveling the country and saving 1,000 jobs in the state of indiana and all a reflection of the energy and the kind of approach that you're going to see him bring to challenges at home and abroad. >> reporter: pence of course seems to be making an argument that this is just standard practice but, of course, this phone call is much more than standard practice, the first time a phone call like this happened since 1979 and has the chinese government concerned. pence was pressed on whether or not it's a signal that the trump administration moves from the one china policy that the united states has had for sometime. he said that they'll talk more about specific policy after january 20th when donald trump is grated president. joe? >> okay. so we got to talk about this one
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name that's been floated out there in the continuing almost soap opera over who will be his pick for secretary of state and that name is former republican presidential candidate jons huntsman. do we think that huntsman is a serious choice or perhaps the name is out there to show he's also looking at moderates? >> reporter: well, it's interesting, joe, that jon huntsman's name jumps out at this point, especially the day after the phone call with the president of taiwan and this renewed speculation about the approach to china because huntsman is an expert when it comes to the country of china. he was the ambassador there during the obama administration and he knows a lot about this very delicate relationship but at this point the transition team tells us that huntsman is being considered but there's no indication this he's a front-runner at this point. we know that the trump team is really expanding the list of
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potential candidates and spends more time dleliberating this pik than we thought. his advisers told us it was down to four candidates and making the decision soon and it's clear there's a much broader list to draw from and, joe, could be another two weeks before we know the next secretary of state. >> fascinating. just the thought there's yet another name coming down the pike. so a lot of room to stand out there and see what's happening. thank you so much for that, ryan. >> reporter: thank you, joe. you'll hear from jon huntsman tomorrow with wolf blitzer at 1:00 p.m. eastern. we'll be right back. and the best deals are on the best network. (both) yes! (vo) with no surprise overages, you can use your data worry free and even carry over the data you don't use. and right now get four lines and 20 gigs for only $40 per line. and, just for the holidays, get a samsung galaxy s7 edge for only $15 per month.
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so you heard before the break, president-elect trump expanding the field of names he's going to be interviewing for secretary of state. here's what senior adviser kellyanne conway told reporters this morning. >> the secretary of state is an incredibly important position for any president to fill. and he has, you know, he's very fortunate to have interest amongst serious men and women who all of whom need to understand that their first responsibility of secretary of state would be to implement and adhere to the president-elect's america first foreign policy.
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and be loyal to his view of the world. so, he continues. he continues to talk to different people. i think you have seen the list. this week additional interviews of other candidates for secretary of state and other cabinet positions and deputy cabinet positions, as well. >> okay. so let's just tee up a few of the candidates we know about starting with the new face of today. 2012 presidential candidate and former ambassador to china, jon huntsman. so, brian morganstern, let's start with you. is it a coincidence that jon huntsman name is floated a day after the controversial phone call with the taiwanese president? >> maybe not or maybe it is just fortuitous timing. look. having huntsman in this conversation does make some sense. he was successful governor. he was the ambassador to china.
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he obviously is familiar with these issues. i think the transition team having conversations with him about these issues makes a heck of a lot of sense. in terms of his prospects for becoming secretary of state, i'm not so sure because governor huntsman, you know, was president obama's ambassador to china. may not necessarily be an advocate of an america first foreign policy. unless, you know, his views sort of evolve where he can persuade people on the team that the views are the right ones. i'm not sure he's a front-runner but makes they're talking to him. >> ellis, sounds like the transition team isn't closer to making a decision on the issue of secretary of state and our supervising producer here in washington knead the point he's been around the horn a few times, he said they have a long list and if they can't make a decision maybe they don't like the list? >> maybe.
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maybe. and i'll give you a couple of other thoughts on huntsman. a mormon with youth talk and you wanted to send a message to mitt, hey, you are not the only moderate republican mormon that we know. kind of get under his skin a little bit. i'm not saying that's happening but it's part of the dynamic here. the weird part about the whole thing is that you have all the candidates, supposed leading candidates and you tell me what they have in common. different philosophies and backgrounds. a pit bull like rudy giuliani, a republican kind of normal guy like mitt, general petraeus who comes with a whole other set of advantages and disadvantages. if there's a rational part to this process, i'm not smart enough to figure out what it is. >> yeah. it is tough going, especially this time of year. brian, okay, let's turn to trump's renewed threat against job outsourcing. we have this 35% penalty he says he wants to impose for companies sending jobs abroad.
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is it really feasible to do something like that? >> he may face a head wind in congress on that. and we've already seen statements from people like senator ben sass of nebraska pointing out this sort of a policy, you know, while popular rhetoric also carries with it some side effects which would include, you know, taxes that would be passed down to consumers and paid by american families in many instances and the cost of goods would increase. and so, you know, taking account of those side effects is going to have to be a part of any plan if he wants to get it passed. and like i said, i mean, the republican congress may have some issues with this. >> sure. and ellis, look. we have seen carrot and stick from donald trump. he's using threats. he's also using financial inducements like the carrier thing. and the question, though, i think is, which one is more likely to see more of, the threats or the inducements?
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and which do you think is more effective? >> there will be all of them and all colliding with each other. i mean, seriously, what is the guiding rationality? right? we know if you impose 35% tariffs on selected companies who do something legal that you don't like, i mean, there are all kind of legal issues wrapped up in that. not remotely conservative. i don't know how republicans in congress ever get their arms around it. my god, the economic implications of it. what does the other side have to do in response and international economic situation? i mean, it is just -- i get the sense he's just saying a bunch of stuff at this point and it is impossible to know whether it's change of policy, political sloganeering or amounts to anything. >> i think you're right and won't know until he's running things. i do know that on capitol hill there's heart burn of tariffs
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and such on companies. thanks to both of you so much. good the see you on a sunday afternoon. >> good to see you, joe. >> thank you. >> you, too. more politics next. campaign managers from both sides dissect the bruising battle including the bombshell that many thought was a nail in the coffin for donald trump, the jaw dropping "access hollywood" tape. the more on the moment the campaigns period about it and how team trumpb fought to get past it, coming up. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ okay. watching the west coast awaiting an update from officials on the investigation into that horrific warehouse fire in oakland. so far, authorities have told us 30 people have been found dead. and they're asking the loved ones of people thought to be missing to preserve the dna of those individuals so they can be identified. a very grisly story and an update coming out of oakland some time today.
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nearly a month after the election, there is still proof that we're living in a very divided country as if we needed it at all. campaign managers from both sides sat down to dissect the campaigns on the topic list, russia's influence on the election and the moment that may have turned the tide in donald trump's favor. here's cnn's jake tapper. >> are you at all concerned by the fact that intelligence agencies say that russians were hacking in to the e-mail accounts and the e-mail servers of the dnc and john podesta and that it may have had -- >> i don't know it to be true. >> somebody has. >> people have been gone on tv and saying that the trump campaign knew this. was involved. >> i'm not saying that. the intelligence agencies testified to that fact. >> it is a fact, jake. >> admiral mike rogers who
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president-elect trump is interviewing for a potential job said it, as well. clearly a foreign actor was doing it. assuming that it's true -- >> i don't assume it's true. you're asking a hypothetical but you quoted from wikileaks, i didn't. >> 17 national security agencies said this is true. it's true. >> look. >> and -- >> i don't understand why you're reluctant to acknowledge that they're saying it. >> i'm not reluctant to acknowledge it. that's not the question you asked me but i'll tell you that we are not pro foreign government interference if that's what you're asking. >> i got say this. it is outrageous that a foreign aggressor got involved in our election. it's got to be investigated and it should never, ever happen again in our history. >> "boston globe" ran an op-ed of a woman hired by a campaign to study undecided voters to find out what they were thinking. she wrote there was one moment
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more than any other she saw undecided voters shift to donald trump. it was not the comey letter but when hillary clinton referred to the basket of deplorables september 9th. did you realize at that that time that the comment made was at potentially damaging as this one study by somebody who worked for your campaign says it was? >> first of all, hillary apologized right away after that and she said misspoke. and that she regretted the comment and something that donald trump wouldn't do for -- >> she didn't say that. she said she regretted putting a number on it. >> the choice of words. but donald trump never apologized to -- >> i'm talking about hillary clinton right now. >> that's what they do. >> you both do it. >> yes, but we won. >> true. >> but i think, look, you are talking about one instance hillary clinton said one thing. she immediately explained that she regretted -- >> you don't think it -- >> i think she regretted getting
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caught. be honest. >> it could have alienated some voters and look. here's the other thing to say, though. i was proud the day after the election that hillary clinton said in her speech that donald trump is the president-elect and that he deserves the benefit of the doubt and that the chance to lead and we need to give him that. >> okay. but if you think back during the campaign, there was arguably no bigger bombshell than that "access hollywood" tape of donald trump bragging about sexually inappropriate conduct with women. kellyanne conway now takes us inside the moment and the fight to keep it from destroying the entire campaign. >> who told donald trump about the tape? who watched it with him? what was his reaction? >> oh, we were in debate prep and one of the members of the team came in and took some of us -- a few of us out and showed us. we didn't have the tape for a long time. only a transcript. you know the rest.
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donald trump decided he would like to put out a video of apology and he did that night. and two days later was the -- less than two days later, the second debate in st. louis, and he carried forward with that. i'll tell you if you look at the polling, that incident affected donald trump's numbers much more significantly than the comey letter affected hillary clinton's numbers. that's just a fact. you can look at the data and not early voting really under way on october 7th opposed to when it was banked by october 28th. a lot of folks voted by the time the comey letter came out three weeks to the day. >> 80% to 90% of the electorate had not voted when -- >> they had hillary clinton popping a bottle of champagne. >> that was ridiculous. >> was -- but was that your reaction? did you think, oh my god, this is done and over? >> not at all. in fact, i remember the meeting i was in when that news came out was we were dealing with wikileaks. and that was something that our
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campaign stolen e-mails, dealing with that every day and we stayed focused on that. i thought people -- anybody popping champagne bottles was just wrong. and in fact, again, i remember we put out a video two weeks out from election day saying we can lose this race and got to rally and work hard. >> oh, and to be a fly on the wall on that moment when hillary clinton called donald trump to concede the election, especially since clinton didn't make any public comments that night. here's more on the historic moment, including the planning that went into it before election night. >> john podesta came out and spoke to supporters saying that hillary clinton was not going to have any comments that evening. a lot of people were surprised there was not going to be any seeming closure that evening given the fact it was apparent that donald trump had won. we know that president obama called secretary clinton and said you need to concede.
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she did call donald trump and concede. the next morning, she was going to give a concession speech and took a couple hours before she got to the stage and gave the speech, much celebrated speech, praised by everyone. what was going on behind the scenes? >> little fact checking there. >> please. >> well, we set the time for that speech the night before. we wanted to give our people time to show up and be there and get through security and so on. it's not as if that speech was delayed. we set that time maybe 4:00 if the morning. >> the impression is she is having a tough time with this. >> no. >> certainly understandably so. no? >> no. some of the reports, i won't get into private conversations that were had. she made the decision to call donald trump. before -- >> she didn't do it because president obama told her to? >> she made the decision on her own before she spoke to the president, and she made it because she believed and she had said during the campaign that it is important to our democracy that whoever wins that their
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opponent concede the election and be supportive of them becoming president-elect. so she acted in good faith with that. >> and that is true. we had arranged ahead of time. >> we did. >> how we would speak with each other that night. >> you had talked before the election? >> e-mailed and agreed. i see an e-mail and think it's a fund raising appeal and it's an e-mail of rob -- so excited. >> you two had negotiated? >> yes, yes. i'm sure we had a little plan -- >> actually kind of executed on the plan. >> yes. i looked down at the phone and said -- oh my gosh, huma abedine. she's right, secretary clinton was gracious and congratulated donald trump and also conceded to him and that's an important point to make here because now you have people participating in a recount and as the person who was asked 3,462 times on television, jake, will he respect the election results -- >> i only asked you twice. >> well, his supporters move on? i'd like to pose the question to
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her supporters. are you going to accept the election results? because #he's your president too. i think the right questions were being asked about the wrong candidate and the wrong -- and the supporters. i'm glad robby mentioned that because the combination of secretary clinton congratulating, conceding and telling the american people the next day, let's have a peaceful -- i'm paraphrasing here now. a peaceful change of democracy and respect the president-elect and the process. >> president-elect trump says he wants to heavily tax american businesses that move jobs overseas. the next guest says that won't just affect those companies but also your wallet and how much you pay for things. the trickle down effect you can call it coming up next. african women as they try...or build their businesses and careers. this windows 10 device, you can configure it in so many... ...different ways it feels like a much more robust... than the old mac that i used to use.
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donald trump fired off another barrage on twitter, this time sending a message to companies across the country. a barrage of tweets, he says the u.s. will reduce taxes and regulations and any company considering moving the operations outside border will be taxed 35%. i'm joined by pedro alfonso, the incoming president of the national small business association and president and ceo of dynamic concepts in incorporated. mr. alfonso, what is your reaction to the president-elect's latest comments? how will this affect small business? >> well, let's be clear.
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you know, there's no argument trying to save american jobs is patriotic and something that is laudable. we are encouraged by that action to save jobs. but when you talk about 35% tariffs, we aren't sure about the unintended consequences. what effect would that have on small businesses? once you start doing a protectionism-type of move in terms of a tariff, it has a certain reaction across the board. so, they're just a lot of unanswered questions. we are not opposed but we certainly need a lot of answers coming from the administration. >> and that would also potentially create ripples overseas and perhaps retaliation of other countries? is that the kind of thing we might face? >> there goes the unanswered questions. if you're going to place a tariff on a company that's moving jobs, what about the companies that have moved their jobs?
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what's the consequences on them? what about the small businesses that have a paid higher taxes, paid higher wages and stayed here? what's the benefit for them and incentive of keeps the jobs? all of those questions have to be answered before we just slap on a tax and think that will fix the problem. but we're not saying that that's -- you know, there's been an action and there's certainly a reaction to that. >> okay. so, people watch campaign. they know a lot of donald trump's products are manufactured overseas. do you know if he's subject to the same tax penalty he's talking about putting in place? >> certainly if he's going to put in a policy, you know, wouldn't you think that the president would follow that policy? whatever that might be. you know? prior to that position, prior to him being in office, he was a business person and they tried to -- you know, as all business people, reduce costs and improve
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profits. maximize profits. he did that as a business person but as president, you know, when's good for the goose should be for the gander. >> right. we are talking about business owners, companies, but what about the every day consumer? do we know how 35% would affect every day people? >> you're right. do we know? do we know what impact that would have from south of the border or from overseas when you start putting in protectionism types of tariffs? but i will say that having some action or taking some action to fix the problem should be recognized. but we need to just investigate and look at it a lot closer because consumers are going to get hit if oil prices start going up, products start going up, it could impact jobs and small businesses. >> pedro alfonso, not entirely
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critical of what donald trump is talking about on this issue, but certainly, got some questions, don't you? >> i would say we need answers before we jump in to a big pot of oil and get burned. >> all right. thank you so much for that. appreciate you coming on this sunday. >> thank you. and reminder, story of the day, the thing topping our news, we are waiting an update from officials of the investigation of the deadly weekend fire in oakland. so far 30 people have been found dead. we're take you there live as soon as it begins. we'll be right back. guess what? you could apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan whenever you want. no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. that means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. medicare doesn't cover everything. and like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, these help cover some of what medicare
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so we have some breaking news going on right now. on the standing rock protest
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over the pipeline out in north dakota. we are learning among other things that the army is saying that it's essentially not approving an easement to allow that proposed dakota pipeline to cross under a lake in north dakota. we have been trying to get sara sidener up. she is covering the story for a while now. sara, can you hear me? hey, sara. this is joe johns in washington. can you hear? >> reporter: yes, joe. i have you. >> what's the latest on this? >> reporter: so this we got from the tribe initially. they came out and there was a celebration here. when they said, look, the army corps of engineers has denied a permit for the dakota access pipeline to essentially go under the missouri river, the river that everyone is here saying that they're here to protect.
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so it is a true victory for the standing rock -- tribe. who has initially started this protest against this pipeline. we also talked to the chairman of the tribe who has said there's nothing else but a reroute of the pipeline to keep them from the land they're on now and which really, joe, has turned into a city of people. there is between 5,000 and 8,000 people who have come from all over the country and the world to be at this camp trying to stop the pipeline. the protesters are not actually on land that would physically stop the pipeline. but it has been the political pressure and the legal battle that is going on, the constant legal battle that is going on, trying to get this to cease. they have won a very big
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victory. although the -- some of the folks in the tribe saying if it's completely stopped -- important section to go under water has been rerouted. joe? >> okay. so rerouted. it sounds like there's a lot of regulatory stuff in there, bureaucratic stuff in there but the gist of it, it sounds like they'll halt the pipeline work? >> reporter: they had already halted the pipeline work. >> right. but i mean -- i understand. but i mean going forward, they're not going to try to go at least the same direction they were going before or is it just over? >> reporter: as we understand it, they haven't approved the easement and allow it to continue on its current path which means that it would have to reroute. if they can't go in the current path which they're just a few
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hundred yards from the river now. we have seen video of the pipeline from a drone that some of the folks in the camp have put up. so you can see how close they are to having that final line go underneath the river. that according to the new information that's come from both tribe and army corps of engineers is essentially halted got it. >> reporter: the only way to deal with it now is go back to court or decide to do it legally or reroute this pipeline which is exactly what the standing rock sioux wanted to see and the protesters out there wanted to see. >> got it. thanks so much for that. great reporting. thank you for getting on the horn real fast, sara sidner. let's bring in van jones. van, as i understand it, you've been following this very closely. you are very familiar with it. can you sort of put in context where we are and what this
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protest has accomplished? >> well, this is a tremendous victory for the native american communities but, unfortunately, what was revealed throughout this whole process was unfortunately a project was approved or all but approved to have jeopardized the water not just for the native americans on the reservation but millions and millions of americans because these pipelines do tend to leak. and there's so many water sources impacted. they started calling themselves not protesters but water protectors. and they wound up suffering quite a bit over the past several months. they were sprayed with water in freezing weather. there's a lot of, you know, really shocking things that were going on. but i think the key takeaway is this. the army corps of engineers has a responsibility to make sure that the water resources of america are respected and protected. and when they looked at it, it turns out that the protesters
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were right. that this was actually not a safe project. and it's i think a victory for common sense and legality and for the native american community. this is the first time that -- for almost every native american nation, we have hundreds of tribes or native american nations, almost unanimously said this is a bad idea. there's sacred land affected and waters affected and not just for native american children but millions of americans and not happened since christopher columbus got here of a unanimous cry from the native american peoples and i think finally got the attention that it deserved. but this is an almost unbelievable victory because the -- these are very, very hard projects to stop. millions of dollars. frankly, a lot of labor unions are not going to be hay p. they were hoping to get some of that work. and yet, at the end of the day, it's not being stopped.
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it is being rerouted and rerouting it means some of the jobs will still be there but hopefully you won't have the endangerment of water for so many americans. >> a protest under some of the worst conditions that really captured the imagination of the country. thanks so much for that, van jones. reminder, we are waiting for an update from officials on the investigation into this weekend's deadly fire in oakland, as well. so far, 30 people have been found dead. poppy harlow will take you to the news conference when it begins live. i'm joe johns. thank you for joining me. zuccolis. through ancestry, od through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian. he was 34% eastern european. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors we thought was italian was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about. he looks a little bit like me, yes. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story.
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together, we're building a better california. hi, everyone. top of the hour. i'm poppy harlow in new york. 5:00 here in new york. 2:00 p.m. out west. tonight, we continue to follow the breaking news of an already horrific death toll of a warehouse fire in oakland, california. we have now learned that the death toll is much, much higher than first reported. we know that at least 30 people are now confirmed dead. that figure updated a short time ago by the sheriff's department officials who call it an astronomical number, happened late friday night in this building. a warehouse converted into a shared artist space and a music show venue. the roof


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