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california residents, but there are also some international victims involved. how those people are going to be identified still isn't clear, wolf. >> dan simon reporting for us. dan, thanks very much. that's it for me. thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, ivanka trump and jared kushner moving to washington. will ivanka be more than first daughter and ceo? plus a michigan judge demands an immediate recount. the woman leading the charge, green party candidate jill stein. trump's adviser has a message for china, screw them. let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, surprise appearance. donald trump and former vice president al gore face to face in what may be the most surprising meeting of the transition so far. gore spent decades warning about the grim consequences of global
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climate change, sat down with trump who, of course, has called climate change a hoax created by the cheen theinese. trump's former campaign manager kellyanne conway talking to reporters about the meeting moemoem moments ago. >> can you talk about his meeting with vice president al gore. >> a very small group of people in this country who have been president or vice president of the united states. so obviously -- obviously it would be a conversation of, you know, folks who really breathe a rarefied air at that level. >> any advice -- >> i'll keep that confidential unless vice president gore would like to disclose that. >> gore was originally scheduled to meet only with ivanka trump. trump aides insisted the president-elect would not be involved but, of course, he then was. after it was over, gore spoke glowingly of donald trump, a man he once said, actually very recently said would lead the world to catastrophe. >> the bulk of the time was with
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president-elect donald trump. i found it an extremely interesting conversation and to be continued. >> this comes as cnn has learned that ivanka and husband, jared kushner, are moving to washington even though she says she will not have an official role in the trump administrat n administration, she's going to be working for the trump organization soliciting deals throughout the world. sunlen serfaty, very surprising meeting between donald trump and al gore. >> reporter: that's right, erin. certainly an intriguing meeting and notable that al gore was first only scheduled to sit down with trump's daughter, ivanka twru trump to talk about climate change. then this meeting with donald trump, himself, got added in at the last moment. we were told it was productive, it was a lengthy meeting and al gore saying afterwards that it was a sincere attempt to find common ground on an issue they haven't always agreed on. today at trump tower -- >> mr. gore -- >> reporter: -- former vice president al gore sitting down
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with the president-elect and ivanka trump to talk about gore's signature issue, climate change, something trump has called a hoax. >> the bulk of the time was with president-elect donald trump. i found it an extremely interesting conversation and to be continued. >> reporter: the president-elect also reaching out to a former rival, picking dr. ben carson as secretary of housing and urban development. >> we're excited to have dr. carson as our intended nominee for housing and urban development. we're looking forward to another very productive week in the transition and setting a historic pace. >> reporter: carson, a neurosurgeon, lacks significant experience in housing and urban development. during the primary, he criticized housing regulations to address segregation in public housing. >> this is what you see in communist countries where they have so many regulations encircling every aspect of your life that if you don't agree
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with them, all they have to do is pull the noose and this is what we got now. >> reporter: during their primary fight, carson and trump were fierce competitors, trump seizing on carson's anecdotes of violence in his youth in an interview last november with erin burnett. >> i haven't seen it. i know it's in the book that he's got a pathological temper or temperament. that's a big problem because you don't cure that. that's like, you know, i could say -- they say you don't cure -- as an example, child molester, you don't cure these people. you don't cure a child molester. >> reporter: as one cabinet selection moves forward, another seems to be taking a step back. trump is now expanding his search for secretary of state after narrowing his list to four contenders last week. transition sources now say former utah governor and ambassador to china jon huntsman is in the mix. as is exxonmobil ceo rex tillerson and west virginia
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democratic senator joe manchin according to "the new york times." former cia director david petraeus also still in the running, expressing regret for mishandling classified information. >> i apologize for it. i paid a very heavy price for it and i've learned from it. and, again, they'll have to factor that in and also obviously 38 1/2 years of otherwise fairly, in some cases, unique service to our country in uniform and at the cia. >> reporter: and tomorrow here at trump tower, donald trump will be holding at least one interview for that secretary of state job. transition officials confirm that he will be sitting down here tomorrow with exxon ceo rex tillerson then it is off to north carolina for another one of these thank-you rallies that he's been holding where trump will formally roll out his nomination for secretary of defense. erin, we of course know that is general james mattis. erin? >> sunlen, thank you very much. you know, this all comes as new questions are arising about ivanka trump's role in her
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father's administration. jeff zeleny is "outfront" in new york. we learned ivanka trump, jared kushner are going to move to washington. now, that's a pretty stunning thing, right, if you think about the fact ivanka trump said she will have no role in her father's administration. this is a clear signal she's going to be right by her father's side. maybe she doesn't have a technical title. she's staying in her job at the trump organization. what can you tell us? >> reporter: something they have to work out and sort through. they've already had missteps here in the first month of this transition meeting with the world leader, the first meeting that her father had with the prime minister of japan, and, but erin, it's clear that they are still trying to sort through this. the american presidency is not simply set up for a family like this so they're going to be making the rules as they go along, but we are told they are planning to move to washington. they're looking for houses there at the very least. she's going to have a key role inside the white house from a social aspect as well as a
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policy aspect. al gore, of course, was there to talk about climate change with her initially. so that shows that she's going to have a very important role in the west wing. >> when you talk about a social role, of course, in contrast to melania trump who said she's not going to be moving until the end of the year. raises the question of ivanka playing a bigger role, perhaps, than policy. you talk about her being in on that meeting, though, with the prime minister of japan and also at the same time finalizing a business deal that would be for the trump organization in japan. that is something that should be raising red flags, isn't it? >> it certainly is raising a lot of flags and it certainly is opening them up to questions and criticism. again, there's not a rule book for this so on one hand you have the "wall street journal" editorial page saying he has to sell everything to avoid con fliblon fli conflicts of interest. look, these conflicts are inherent, almost impossible to see how they will avoid all of them here. but i am told by someone who's
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close to the family that she will not be attending anymore of these meetings one-on-one here. that they're simply trying to work through here. but this is going to be an ethics potential minefield, erin. >> potential minefield at the least. executive editor of cnn politics, mark preston. jamie gangell. phillip bump, and correspondent for "the new york times," maggie haberman. i want to talk about the incredible al gore meeting because it is incredible, okay? first i want to talk about the ivanka trump situation. moving to washington, at least they're looking for houses, reporting we have. melania trump going to wait six months at least so her son can finish his year at school. ivanka trump possibly going even earlier. how can that happen while she's at the trump organization? they say there's no rules but there is this rule. common sense shows that this does not make sense. >> right, but there are no rules. remember those tax returns, they were never put out there. and the other thing that i think you have to remember, so on
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twitter donald trump said that on december 15th, he's going to make a big announcement to show that they're -- he's going to step away from the business. the problem is he also used an interesting phrase. he said "even though it's not mandated." and i think that's what you're going to see here. there are no rules. if it's not the law, they're going to be the new rules of donald trump and the kids are going to be there and he's going to be there. i think we're talking about a whole new set -- >> maggie, you got "the new york times" reporting that when nancy pelosi called right after the election, donald trump handed the phone to his daughter. she was in the room with the prime minister of japan. sheryl sandberg from facebook, ardent hillary clinton supporter called ivanka trump. al gore meeting with ivanka trump. she's central. >> she's central. you have to unpack those
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different pieces, though. the al gore meeting, ivanka trump wants to signal to democrats she's the reasonable person around donald trump. that helps her for her own brand, helps her basically as a bridge for her father and frankly it helps al gore to be seen doing this meeting, if we're being honest. in terms of the japanese prime minister, that was a very specific problem especially because there was no readout or photo from the u.s. side in terms of the media. all came from japan. i think that you are -- it's funny, jeff's point that the presidency is not set up for a family like this is really true. we have never seen this sprawling level of entanglements and for the trumps, this sounds like i'm excuse making, i'm not at all because it's severely complicated, but really after covering them for 18 months, they know no other way. they see everything as a family decision. the pick of mike pence as the v.p. was described to me at the time and even as recently as last week as a family decision. they're going to have to realize that the presidency is a people decision, but i think that it's not that they're starting out on
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a land grab, or on a, you know, access grab, they don't really know another way and they are going the same way the rest of us are into this brave new world. >> of course, there's only one way to separate this, sell the company and put the money in the trust. that's the only way. there is no way for the children in any way, shape or norm to be involved in the business while their father is president and not be conflicts of interest. countries are going to do things for that company they think would reflect well in their diplomatic dealings. that's the way it's going to be even if they're not trying to do anything untoward. >> right. no, that's absolutely true. we're already seeing that with this trump hotel down the block from the white house where all these foreign companies -- foreign governments are booking rooms trying to show, you know, some sort of respect. >> openly saying, osf course, i want to book my room -- >> announcing it. >> all very publicly. >> the question is the extent to which the trump family even wants to try and make this separation. right? having ivanka trump move to
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washington, supposed to be running the trump organization based in trump tower, not supposed to have a role in the administration because of nepotism rules nor is her husband for the same reason. why are you moving to washington? the only reason you're moving to washington is to leverage that influence. you shouldn't be leveraging that influence the same time you're running the trump organization. >> she's leveraging it with meetings like al gore. look, people can change. once people get in power, people who hated them then change their minds. i understand the pragmatic reality. here's al gore today. here's al gore a few months ago. >> i had a lengthy and very productive session with the president-elect. it was a sincere search for areas of common ground. her opponent based on the ideas that he has presented would take us toward a climate catastrophe. >> and? >> i mean, okay, you know what, climate catastrophe, common ground, those things can be very
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close. >> he is not the only person who walked into that lobby, got onto that elevator and gone up to the top floor who has said bad things about donald trump. i mean, it's political pragmatism in many ways. if al gore thinks he can somehow wedge his way in because he doesn't think that donald trump has the convictions of what he said in 2012 when he described climate change as a hoax and it was brought on by the chinese, of course, "the new york times" just a few weeks ago does an interview and says there is some connectivity, you know, to it. al gore probably sees it -- i think it's super important in this is two things. when you talk about the conflict of interest, senate democrats really blew it because they could not investigate. they do not have any power now to really use congress to go after donald trump and on the flip side, though, house and senate republicans are in a real tough spot right now because all of this could overshadow them trying to get things done. >> it's also problematic because his agenda is not quite the same as theirs on policy. >> oh, sure. >> you have a dual track.
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>> all right. thanks to all. staying with me. next, a gunman bursting into a busy pizza sohop. his motive to investigate a fringe conspiracy theory about hillary clinton. and the trump administration says it has no plans to expand business in taiwan but in taiwan they say, not the case. breaking news, deadlocked. a white officer who shot and killed an unarmed black man in south carolina, this is this horrific, horrific thing caught on tape. as you can see him shot in the back multiple times. despite this shocking video, the jury could not reach a verdict. with advil, you'll ask what bad knee? what throbbing head? advil makes pain a distant memory nothing works faster stronger or longer what pain? advil.
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breaking news, new details tonight in the 28-year-old arrested for opening fire inside a washington, d.c., restaurant because according to police, he wanted to investigate a fringe conspiracy theory involving hillary clinton. edgar welch making his first court appearance today.
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according to police he entered the restaurant after reading clinton and her campaign were running a child sex ring inside. of course that story was completely false. the white house attacking these baseless claims today saying they're having a corrosive effect on america's political debate. brian stelter is "outfront." >> reporter: fake news, real gunfire. a north carolina man arrested in a d.c. pizza shop after brandishing a gun. telling police he was there to investigate a conspiracy theory called pizza-gate. >> one of the hosts runs up and is like, did you see that guy? you know, he had a big gun. >> we actually thought initially that he was a staff member because he was walking straight for that backroom. staff member kind of looked at me and indicated that this was a gunman. >> reporter: edgar welch appearing in court this afternoon. according to police, welch said he had read online that the comet ping-pong restaurant was harboring child sex slaifs avesh wanted to see for himself if they were there. the suspect said he was armed to help rescue them.
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the accusation came from this unhinged story that originated online days before the election saying that hillary clinton and her campaign chairman john podesta were operating a child sex ring. the lie took root in the digital swamps of twitter and far right-wing websites. >> we're not covering pizza-gate enough even though we covered it every day. to expose the satanism and the code words for pedophilia. >> reporter: october 30th, clinton hating, trump loving twitterer claimed a police sort said clinton was at the center of the pedophilia ring. others latched onto this seemingly hoping it was true scouring dark corners of the web for possible clues. this is how conspiracy theories are threaded together. lie by lie. eventually, a name stuck, pizza-gate and the believers started harassing the owner of the pizza place. >> we received many, many, many calls, but really they're from around the world so we didn't expect anyone to come. >> reporter: on sunday, the suspect fired his weapon.
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no one was hurt. with detectives still on the scene in d.c., pizza-gate believers were already claiming this real development was just part of a cover-up. >> the media is claiming that this is because of pizza-gate. this is very dangerous fake news. anybody claiming that the gunman today at comet pizza had anything to do with pizza-gate is lying. >> brian stelter is with me along with kayleigh mcenany, a conservative columnist. let me start with you, that man right there, just take a second to think about he just said. the guy who went in with the gun, all right, and discharged it, he said he went in because of this story. >> yes. >> this fake story. >> right. >> that guy there we heard said it's completely made up, the gun man was an actor. what is this? >> these pizza-gate believers some of them today say this was all a hoax, this incident, this real-life incident at the pizza shop was all made up trying to cover up the real conspiracy. you know, nose people are not
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going to be believe this report. hopefully the vast majority of people still on planet earth can deal with the truth. >> i mean, here's the stunning thing, kayleigh, michael flynn jr., i want to emphasize jr., that's the new national security, or the nominated national security adviser's son, tweeted on sunday, i'll read his tweet, "until pizza-gate proven to be false, it will remain a story. the left seems to forget podesta e-mails and many, quote, coincidences tied to it." that's pretty stunning, okay? i mean, this story is a lie. it is wrong. how could someone like that come out and tweet this? that this could possibly be true? >> look, i don't think flynn's son should be tweeting this. he should take down the tweet, but i do want to emphasize this is two degrees removed from donald trump. this is the son of the national security adviser. this didn't come from michael flynn, himself. it likewise did not come from donald trump. i do think this pizza restaurant has a good lawsuit on their hands, but i really do want to emphasize now, though, the
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extreme fringe right wing has nothing to do with mainstream right wing, just like the 9 /12 9/11 truthers didn't have anything to do with the -- this is the fringe element of the right just like we have the fringe element of the left. >> okay, you make a fair point there but there's this one problem. sorry, naira, his father's son, also his father's chief of staff, his top aide. sorry. he has a government transition e-mail. he's involved. general flynn tweeted on november 2nd "you decide, nypd blows whistle, must read. what do you say? >> this is what you end up having when you start creating a culture and people who are in leadership positions with large blow horns and millions of twitter followers start saying things like the mainstream media is terrible. you can't believe anything you hear on tv or read in newspapers. people start to look for alternative sources of information that, frankly, aren't backed up by any investigative reporting or any of the principles of ethical
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journalism. so this is, in that sense, directly connected to donald trump and the conspiracy ne theorists that surrounded him. the new white house senior adviser is going to be steve bannon. breitbart is also part of the alt-right movement. conspiracy theories are often featured on that website. speaking of general flynn, i understand his son has a transition account, official government account. certainly he should be held accountable. with the national security adviser actually tweeting these types of conspiracy theories it leads to questioning his judgment and whether or not it was a joiquke, should be made cr if he thought it was a joke. people take this -- when people in power say things on twitter accounts, it gets taken very seriously. we certainly need to be holding our leaders accountable. >> kayleigh, does it sconcern you -- >> erin -- >> go ahead. >> it's important mike flynn sr. was tweeting about something entirely different. it wasn't pizza-gate. >> it was another child sex ring
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scandal conspiracy theory. >> but it was not -- hold on, nayyera, he me point out, though, what he was suggesting actually had some basis and truth. there's a man named jeffrey epstein who was convicted of child pornography, bill clinton took several flights with this individual, there was some real questions as to why these flights weren't on the books, what happened on -- >> are we really going to do this? >> there are two separate things. >> again, trying to parse all of this information about this connection with that connection, this is exactly how conspiracies start and this is exactly the type of logic and reasoning that we need to all be working against and start working with facts. i mean, this is a post-fact universe that we're working in. >> nayyera -- >> kayleigh, should trump bear responsibility, himself, to say enough? enough? i don't believe -- even -- >> no. >> even in private to tell these people, stop with this,s i don't want to see you tweet like this, i don't want to see these things, they're lies and they're hateful. doesn't he bear some of the responsibility when some of this is coming from people within his inner circle?
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>> you had the president of -- >> kayleigh, that was to you. >> does president obama have the responsibility to say i disavow the 9/11 truthers? no. nayyera, your party has gone around with false, false, trump is racist, a xenophobic. if we want to talk about conspiracy theories, your party is responsible for it. >> sure, let's talk about what happened just in my neighborhood. comet pizza is a couple blocks away from me. this is very personal. actually a few blocks in the other direction, you had two weeks ago a bunch of white supremacists who held an event and said hail trump. this is actually in trump's new backyard, not something he disavowed, happen in his own neighborhood. usually when there are gun shootings in where a president or president-elect is, there is some sort of statement or denouncement of that or any kind of horrific attack. we haven't seen that. we haven't seen any time the kkk
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endorsed him or david duke or any white supremacists were advocating on his behalf, he never said i disassociate myself from those people. hardly disconnect to say that by when he has people who are supporting him actively campaigning for him, if he doesn't disavow them -- >> he has repeatedly -- >> final word here to brian. let me give the final word to brian. >> i was going to say about this issue of twitter, for a man who's so well known for tweeting, has a great grasp of the medium, hasn't bothered tweeting about oakland today, never mind this issue of what happened at comet ping-pong, never mind the broader issue about racism and hate and harassment. i find it strange sometimes what he chooses to tweet about. he complained about the media today but none of these specific issues that are on the table. >> all right. thanks very much to all. next, trump's controversial phone call to taiwan. trump advisers today, one of them now saying screw them to china. and the breaking news, a judge declaring a mistrial in the case of a white police officer who shot and killed an unarmed black man. shot him multiple times in the
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new tonight, the trump team leveling a stern warning to
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china. the president-elect's economic adviser steven moore says if beijing doesn't like the president-elect's controversial phone call to taiwan's president, "screw them." trump has been under fire for that call because taiwan is still technically at war with china, in part, on twitter, trump did not back down, in fact, he upped the ante here to make that call. today the white house warning trump's actions could have serious consequences. >> some of the progress that we have made in our relationship with china could be undermined by this issue flaring up. >> and, of course, trump does a lot of business. he benefits from doing business in china. and across asia. miguel marquez is "outfront." >> reporter: taiwan's largest development project ever. the largest development project ever sounds right up donald trump's alley. >> gateway of taiwan and to asia. >> reporter: and just maybe it
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is. trump's protocol-breaking phone call with the president of taiwan is the first time the u.s. has publicly admitted speaking with the leader of taiwan since 1979. raising new questions about trump's intentions. trump advisers say it was a routine congratulatory call, but the mayor issued a statement saying a miss chen with the trump organization discussed investment opportunities in september but they haven't heard from her or the trump organization since. interviewed on china's mas tv, the mayor says chen had documents issued by the trump company and his company is interested in taiwan. miss chen has since been identified as charlene chen who described herself to the "wall street journal" as a sales ambassador for trump properties, but not an employee. a trump organization
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spokesperson says there have been no thorszed vis edauthoriz taiwan on behalf of our brand for the purposes of development nor are there any active conversations." but a trump organization employee ann marie duonahue mad a business trip to taiwan in october, that according to a post on her facebook page that has since been deleted. >> i love china. >> reporter: but trump's business ties to mainland china go far deeper than anything in taiwan. >> the biggest bank in the world is from china. you know where their united states headquarters is located? in this building. in trump tower. >> reporter: china's icbc is the biggest tenant in trump tower, says "bloomberg" news, paying nearly $2 million a year. that lease comes up in 2019. and bank of china says "the new york times" is providing some
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financing on a $950 million loan on a building trump partly owns on manhattan's sixth avenue. trump's 2011 book, he writes "get it straight, china is not our friend, he sees us as the enemy." this while he was pursuing very big deals in china that didn't actually pan out. it seems this is sort of his m.o., keep your opponents, your adversary on their back foot to confuse things, say one thing, do another. it works in business. we'll see how it works in the presidency. erin? >> all right, miguel, thank you. back with me, kayleigh mcenany, nayyera haq, jamie gangel. you talked to very senior members of the former bush administration. what have they been telling you? >> so i have to tell you they were not so concerned that this call took place. they say it's okay to ba little l unpredictable. he's president-elect, not president yet. that said, despite all this reporting that this was all
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planned out, they were not under the impression it was planned out and what they're concerned about is winging it. if there's a genuine strategy behind doing something like this, then that's one thing, but they were concerned that, you know, not just taiwan, when he spoke to the british prime minister, he said if you're ever in washington, come and see me. pakistan, you're fantastic. >> extraordinary. >> that's what they don't like. this needs to be a thoughtful process. >> so kayleigh, how close is trump toward what could be the most crucial decision here that we are awaiting, right? we understand he's very close to making a decision but he has greatly enjoyed the public parading of secretary of state candidates, sort of the casting call for lack of a better word. when is that decision going to be made? that person is ostensibly going to bear the burden of figuring all this stuff out. >> absolutely. it seems donald trump recognizes the gravity of secretary of
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state. this is arguably his most important cabinet appointee he's going to make or to call. and every day we're seeing more names. you know, we've heard almost a dozen names at this point. it does seem to me from what i've read and what i've researched that romney seems to no longer be the leading contender. we see a lot of dark horses coming out. potentially robert gates, i know, but i think it's good that trump is taking his time. i think it's good that he's meeting with people who are critical of him like romney and gates. i wouldn't underestimate rudy giuliani. he may just in the end come out to be the one who is selected. i think that would be an excellent choice. >> dark horses, jamie. robert gates is a dark, dark horse. >> so robert gates has said, no, he's not going into the trump administration. he wrote a scathing op-ped. but he just spent two days at trump tower giving people advice. and i will tell you this, there are a number of gop establishment people and i say that as a good thing, professionals who would love
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nothing more than if bob gates -- i don't know that trump is interested, but they see bob gates and general mattis as the dream team. >> and they got general mattis. bob gates wrote a scathing op-ped, okay. we covered it extensively. it was as nasty as it gets. and trump responded in kind. >> he did. so a couple things that donald trump said, just only back in september about bob gates. "i've never former defense secretary robert gates. he knows nothing about me but look at the results under his guidance. a total disaster. which is definitely not ringing endorsement for secretary of state." never went on to say, "never met, never liked dopey robert gates." that's the best part, right? dopey. "look at the mess he's always in, always speaks badly of his many bosses including obama." what's interesting about this, if he does choose someone like robert gates or asks him at least, we don't know if he would accept, says something trump is willing to pivot off his personal animosity toward people to take somebody into his administration that actually
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knows what they're doing on a certain subject. >> nayyera, trump is reportedly considering seven people for this job. kayleigh pointed out it's rudy giuliani or mitt romney. now up to seven. jon huntsman under barack obama. gop presidential candidate, but perhaps more important is the china part of his resume. also on that list. how likely is it that trump will do what mark just said and consider somebody that has insulted him and hated him in the past? >> well, it should be very interesting, this is clearly a really important appointment. it's taken quite some time. especially if he's going to be making calls to foreign leaders as we've seen and making the types of commitments he's made behoove him to actually engage and pin down this appointment sooner rather than later. we need somebody as secretary of state that the president-elect will actually listen to and the president-elect prides himself on not necessarily being diplomatic, not playing nice in the sand box. we need somebody who will.
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at the same token, we have all of these state department officials who are overseas in embassies who are waiting to just help and provide nonpartisan expertise. nobody in the trump campaign is engaging with them -- sorry, the trump transition -- is engaging with them and the president-elect has also opted not to have the daily intelligence briefings. so we have somebody who's talking to foreign leaders who doesn't understand the countries or the nuances of what's going on. really need to have somebody in that position as secretary of state that hopefully he'll listen to. >> all right. thanks to all. and by the way, what bob gates wrote about donald trump in part, "he is unqualified and unfit to be commander in chief." >> right. critical of hillary clinton as well, erin. >> he was. he did say between the two he would pick her but it was hardly a ringing endorsement. all right. next, the breaking news. no decision in the trial of police officer michael sleigher who shot an unarmed black man in the back multiple times as he was running away. they're not anywhere close to each other. so we all saw this tape.
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the jury, though, unable to come back with a verdict. jill stein pressing recounts in three states that trump narrowly won. she's my guest, next. at the marine mammal center, the environment is everything.
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tonight the presidential recount now under way in michigan, officials hand counting nearly 5 million ballots after a federal judge ruled the recount must begin an begin immediately. trump's lead in the state, as you can see, is just shy of 11,000 votes. the other states where recounts are being called for, wisconsin, trump's lead there, 22,000. pennsylvania it is now down to ta do 47,000. shy of that. green party candidate dr. jill stein, standing outside trump tower, she vowed to escalate her fight in pennsylvania to a federal lawsuit usualing tru iu let the recounts proceed. "outfront" now, jill stein. dr. stein, thank you for taking the time. >> great to be with you, erin. >> i want to talk about the recount. first, you were outside trump tower today. al gore, former vice president was also at trump tower today to talk climate change. he met with donald trump. he said it was a sincere and productive conversation. a few weeks ago at a rally for hillary clinton he said trump would create a climate catastrophe.
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does it trouble you al gore would take a meeting and describe it so positively today? >> you know, it doesn't trouble me. i find it strange. i'm not sure i believe it. i don't know what's going on. you know, i -- i am concerned, obviously, about where donald trump stands. he's had a very consistent history. he's highly invested, for example, in the dakota access pipeline. is he going to respect the recent decision not to grant a permit and require an environmental impact study? yeah, i mean, i think you have to judge donald trump by his record which is very clear which is rather disastrous. but i have to say, it's not been great under the democratic party, either. hillary clinton, you know, supports fracking. donald trump supported coal. both have been absolutely catastrophic. we should not be building new fracking pipelines and infrastructure either. as far as i'm concerned, they both have a long way to go, and i'd like to see al gore, for that matter, step up to what we really require, which is 100%
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renewable energy, clean renewable energy by 2030. >> so on the issue of the recount, you have said the president-elect, donald trump, and his campaign are scared and trying to obstruct the recount process. why do you think that? why do you think that they're scared? >> well, because they're doing everything they can to stop transparency and accountability. you would think that they would be confident in their victory. you could think that they would support the democratic process. what is wrong with counting the votes? you know, when there's a question about where a ball landed in football or in tennis, you know, we review the tapes and we see where exactly it landed. we should have the capacity to do that in every election. there should be automatic audits of every election and we should just be getting rid of this very disaster-prone, tamper-prone, hacking-prone, electronic touchscreen machines. >> okay. let me ask you a question about this, though, because the margins of victory here seem very close. if you're a person out there,
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you're watching, you say 10,000 votes, 10,700 votes in michigan, 5.5 million ballots cast. you immediately say, okay, that makes sense that that would be a recount. jeffrey toobin who wrote the book about the recount in florida in the year 2000 says the most number of votes that will switch is 500 votes. he says there's no way this outcome will change. are you concerned that you are hurting confidence in the system? especially by people on the left who are upset that trump won, when the results won't change? >> well, let me just say, we saw in ohio in 2004 after the fact in a court case that there were 90,000 votes that were mistakenly read as blank in toledo, in an african-american heavily democratic-leaning district, those votes were basically blanked out. had they been counted, there's no question that would have changed the outcome in ohio. it's just not true that only a couple hundred votes here and there change. we don't know, but the purpose here is not to change the outcome. let me say that the purpose here is to create a process that we can trust. we cannot sweep american
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cynicism, american distrust, after this very bitter and divisive election, we need to be confident in our voting system that we have counted every vote and respected american voter. >> i hear you, but donald trump was under great criticism, at the debate he said i'll see what the results are before i say if i accept them. some people say that's you now. here's his campaign manager kellyanne conway yesterday talking to you. >> i was asked on this program and many others that will you accept the election results? the question for jill stein and hillary clinton and those who just are still in the grief, anger and denial stages, will you start moving over to acceptance? >> well, i'm -- >> wouldn't you be incredibly critical of donald trump if he was doing this to hillary clinton right now? >> in my view, we should have recounts whenever there is a very close race. >> we do. we have laws. .2%, .3, whatever it is. >> we done ha't have awe dids a using extremely unreliable voting machines, electronic machines that have been known to
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miscount or discount tens of thousands of votes at a time, so i was asked throughout the election, if there was concern about the credibility and integrity of the vote, would i stand up and call for a recount in i sau i always said yes. this should have been done during the democratic primary when there were concerns about votes stripped from the voter rolls in brooklyn. hundreds of thousands of votes not counted in california. to me mind, that should have been a call for a recount and i always said in the presidential race, if it fell to me to raise questions and ensure that voters have a voting system we can believe in and that we can trust, i would always step up to the plate and call for a recount. it didn't matter who the winner is. that's the problem with donald trump's thinking here. i think there was enormous resonance with his concern that the vote was rigged. >> so you do this -- you would have done this to hillary clinton, too ? >> i would have done this no matter what if there was doubt about the vote, we should address that and not sweep it under the rug.
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the american people are very concerned. we do not have faith in our political system, in the election, in our public institutions. you know, lack of faith is really at a high, all-time high level whether you're looking at political parties, the judiciary, the congress, the executi executive, media for that matter. this is a time for accou accountability and transparency. let's earn the trust of the american people. >> dr. stein, thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. next the breaking news, a mistrial declared in the deadly shooting of an unarmed black man running away from a white police officer. we all saw it on tape. the jurors said they could not reach a verdict. why? ♪ ♪ style lets you stand out from the herd. what's inside sets you apart.
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threat. >> at that time, when mr. scott was coming after me with the taser, i drew my weapon and fired. i was focused on the front sight. that's all i know. i know he tried to tase me, we were on the ground. i'm backing away getting away and he's still coming after me with his taser and at that point, i made the decision to use lethal force because mr. scott never stopped. he was always dangerous. >> except he was running away in that video. nick valencia is "outfront." nick, what happened in this trial? >> reporter: well, it was the first indication we got that there was a potential for a mistrial on friday when we received news there was a lone jury holdout who said he could not in good conscience convict this officer of first-degree murder. today we learned it may not have just been one, however, it was a majority of the jurors that were still undecided as of this morning. this came as an incredible shock for those that were supporting walter scott's family. to them, all that matters was this cell phone video shot.
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that video that shows walter scott running away from michael slager, being gunned down, shot from behind multiple times. to them, it was shocking that there was this deadlock jury. some of what was taken exception in this community as well is the makeup of the jury. 11 jurors were white, 1 of them was black. at a press conference on monday afternoon, however, the scott family chose not to focus on that. they said they're optimistic they could get the conviction in a potential retrial scheduled for sometime later next year, however, we should remind our viewers that michael slager is not completely off the hook yet. he is facing federal civil rights charges. that trial expected to happen sometime in early 2017. poignant words earlier from scott family attorney saying that there was a missed opportunity here. a missed opportunity to heal some very deep wounds in the black community as a result of the series of police shootings that have happened in this country over the last two years. erin? >> all right. nick, thank you. "outfront" now, paul callen, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor.
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paul, we all saw that video. sl sl slager slager's, he said he was backing away, scott was coming after him with the tase r. the final moments, scott is running away, slager shoots him multiple times in the back. scott is killed. are you shocked at the outcome here? >> i am shocked. the thing it emphasizes is how much people respect police officers and how hard it is to convict a police officer. and i think this was -- we have this term called "jury nullification" where sometimes the jury just goes against the law and it goes against the facts because they have a gut feeling that the right thing is an acquittal or in this case a hung jury. >> hung jury. on friday you heard nick report one juror was the holdout, said go back and figure it out, figuring that one person could come around. that person convinced other people, we understand there were multiple people, it's truly a hung jury. that is also shockingly unpress dented. >> that is staggering if that happens, because normally if it's down to 11-1, the 11
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convinces the one. you know what happen -- that's what always happens, this is going to go down in the record books. if one juror changed the minds of the others. >> we will see what happen, of course, the prosecutor says he's going do go ahead with another trial. paul callen. thank you. we will be right back.
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thank you for joining us. don't forget, watch "outfront" anytime, anywhere on cnn go. "a.c. 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. . we begin tonight a busy night with new questions about donald trump's family ties and how he will do the people's business as president without any conflict of interest with his own family business. today, we learned that daughter ivanka who trump says will run the business without his input will be moving to washington along with son-in-law jared kushner who's already a close trump adviser and could end up with a west wing job. also today ivanka trump met with former vice president al gore to talk about global warming and there's more. cnn chief political correspondent dana bash reports. >> reporter: like most trump projects, the washington hotel opening this fall was a family