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plus staunch opposition from two leading republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham. president trump's executive order was not properly veted. . . e with fear more than improve our security. the white house is standing firm saying that the travel ban is going to stay in place. i want to go now to the white house where athena jones is covering this. tell us what president trump is saying. >> it's a pretty lengthy statement. he mentions the media, which is unusual. i'll read to you part of it. he says we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will so so while protecting our citizens and voters. this is not a muslim ban as the media is falsely reporting. this is not about religion. this is about terror and keeping our country safe. he said his fiert first priority will always be to protect and
serve our country but as president i will find ways to help all of those who are suffering. so this is a defense the president coming out and defending and justifying this move with which the white house said is necessary because the vetting process for people coming into the country is woefully inadequate. so that is his statement there responding to this criticism that it seems clear the white house knew this move would please his supporters to office. they seem to be a little taken aback by the reaction around the world and including members of their own party. >> but you have republicans who are pointing out that they don't think this was done in any sort of conjunction with the advice even say from the department of homeland security in any big way. what is the white house saying to that to these charges that they ruled this out in sort of a
happen ha sard way. or execute it in the way they want to. >> a couple things. the white house would not agree this has been carried out in a happen has saturday way. we heard from senior administration officials they feel this is being implemented as they wanted it to be. they talked about the professionalism and skill and seamless nature of the implementation of this executive order. but so they standby it and believe it's doing what they want it to do and what they feel is necessary. >> athena jones ats the white house, thank you. president trump was defending his travel been, people across the nation have been protesting it. crowds gathered right now in boston, san francisco, washington and new york as chaos and confusion continues to ripple through u.s. airports. dozens of people are still detained stuck in legal limbo.
even after judges granted an emergency stay for those affected by the ban targeting seven muslim major ity nations. the legal maneuver did help get 70 people released though including this 5-year-old boy at washington's dulles airport. he was detained for hours while his mother waited and worried about him. and also this american citizen in the bronx says the ban may keep him from moving his grand kids now stuck in a danger zone. >> i am a good citizen. i have my own business. i have my own house. but i don't have my children with me. it's very hard to see people being killed right and left and i can't save my own children. so i have another daughter in lebanon stuck with four children that cannot get here. >> i want to take you around the
country. we have dan simon reporting at lax in it los angeles. i want to start with jessica. tell us where you are. it seems like that procession has gone a considerable distance. what are people teming you they want? >> we have gone a considerable distance. we're in the midst of the protest now. still going strong four hours after this started. to give you a glimpse, we're at federal plaza. it's the seat of the federal government here in new york city. we're surrounded by the federal district court. also the officer offices for the department of homeland security and the immigration and customs enforcement. they marched about a mile up. we're hearing from some of the protesters now. they started at battery park. a symbolic place to start on the banks of new york harbor overlocking the statue of liberty. where millions of immigrants entered this country. the people here saying they want
to get that message to donald trump. that we are a nation of immigrants. that this executive order is out of bounds. the people here also got their voices joined by politicians today. mayor de blasio here in new york city was out. a horrible message to the rest of the world. chuck schumer saying this is just bad for humanity. the people echoing those same sentiments by politicians. people i talked with really did have personal stories. i spoke to one man from iran. he has a green card. because of all the uncertainties surrounding this, he cancelled a family reunion he was supposed to have in europe this summer. so a lot of concern out here. a lot of unity in that one message. >> let's go to atlanta. tell us about the scene where
you are. >> the message is really what we have seen across the country. what i can tell you is we have seen these crowds continue to grow by the hour. as you mentioned, this is one of the country's largest airports. so this is presenting a challenge for airport officials to try to continue the operations because what we have seen just outside the arooils gate here in atlanta are hundreds, well over a thousand people that have gathered here with that message for president trump that they feel that this executive action is not just unconstitutional but also un-american. and finally i can tell you that we have seen at least 11 refugees here yesterday we are told they were released. a very vocal critic of donald trump.
so now as we heard a few moments ago from the mayor, of the city of atlanta, the concern now is about trying to make sure those it resources are there for some of these individuals. i want you to hear from the mayor what kind of steps he's been taking and also what the position is from the city of atlanta with respect to some of donald trump's latest moves. take a listen. >> as a mayor, what is your message to the white house? >> my message is that we need to remove and repeal the executive order and have a real conversation. the fact of the matter is we believe very strongly that president trump's order is illegal and improper. and at least if the order is going to go forward we have to have a firm rule that
individuals have access to counselling. the fact of the matter is we have 11 individuals impacted last night, but any individual who is impacted by this order, just think about this. should have the right to see an attorney. and that that it right should not be impeded. >> that is the mayor of atlanta. i want to talk to dan simon. he is at lax. tell us about what people there are telling you, dan. >> reporter: it is an extraordinary situation here. the crowd that you see behind me goes for at least a football field. we're talking about thousands that have gathered here in the terminal. but we have some news that we want to share for you. we told you about the story of a 25-year-old woman who had been detained for 24 hours and we're just told that she's now been
released. you spoke to this woman. she doesn't want to use her name. what did she tell you about her detainment? >> she didn't want to talk that much, but she's been detained since yesterday at 4:00. the turkish airline flight landed at 4:00 p.m. and her family member has been waiting for her since yesterday. and they just released her underjust under 24 hours. this is a victory for us because the demonstrators and the office and everyone and all the attorneys, she was here since last night.
she's going to talk to us later. she doesn't want her name to be known because she's a refugee. and she doesn't want to any repercussions of this. this is what america looks like. we are not going to stand for anyone who is going to take away our civil liberties. i want everyone to know that. we all made a difference today. thank you to all attorneys and demonstrators. >> thank you for your time. i appreciate it. that really tells the story. you can just feel the passion that she's exuding. that's really the story here at lax. so many people here who are angry about this order coming together, trying to express their disapproval. they thought maybe a few
hundred, but we're seeing well more than 3,000 people. no official word from authorities. still trying to figure out how many people still may be detained and try to get information on which will be released. >> let's head to chicago now. we find rosa flores. you have been seeing protesters. where are you in the airport there and tell us about the protest tlers and what they have been telling you. >> reporter: these protesters tell iing me they are exercisin their first amendment right for all of those people who can't because they are either detained or because they are too afraid to speak for themselves. but i want to show you around because this terminal and this is the arrivals terminal for all the international flights has
turned into a mini immigration clinic. so you can see here this is the arrival. this is where we have been seeing reunions of families coming in from iraq. coming in from syria. and families being very, very emotional. but as you walk over and i'm going to show you here now there are a group of attorneys who have been here since yesterday. and they have been talking to the families of the people who have been held. there's been between 18 to 25 people held here in chicago o'hare's airport yesterday. today they say that that number has been fluent because these people have not been held as long as they were yesterday. they tem me even u.s. citizens were being held buzz after questioning they were released. he's the other thing. i talked to them about access to these people because they are right here.
you saw the arriving terminal here. very close by. they tell me they don't have access to these people. and i asked why. why would in the united states if someone asks for an attorney while being questioned why they wouldn't have access. they said the answer they received was this was an administrative matter so they don't have access to these people. but we're going to be here. we have seen several families come through. very emotional. there's a lot of emotion and a lot of fear in this community. they are grateful for the protesters who are raise iing tr voices and speaking out for them. >> we know you'll continue to follow this story there in chicago. thank you. as well as to dan and jessica. you are looking now at live pictures from portland. so the airport there we have seen protesters around the country new york, chicago, houston and now here in portland, oregon as protests erupt across the u.s.
you're looking at washington dulles where we had seen detentions as well. people holding signs there in the areas people will be arriving coming into the washington, d.c. area. let's take a look now at new york. protesters have walked up past city hall and we are going to continue to monitor that protest as well. we will be back in just a moment. it's red lobster's big festival of shrimp and for just $15.99 you can pick 2 of 6 new and classic creations on one plate new flavors like sweet bourbon-brown sugar grilled shrimp and bold firecracker red shrimp are too big to last so hurry in. after becoming one of the largest broadband companies in the country. after expanding our fiber network coast to coast. these are the places we call home.
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the president says, quote, we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but will do so while protecting our citizens and borders. america has always been the land of the free and home of the brave. we will keep it free and keep it safe as the media knows but refuses to say. that is the end of that quote. this comes amid-a second day of protests over barring those from seven nations from entering the u.s. i want to bring in our panel now. we have david ger gone. and also with us is david, a senior congressional correspondent for the washington examiner. and to you first, david. you have attorneys general from 16 states condemning this ban and protests in traditionally like kansas city. have you seen something like this, this much of a pushback over a president's executive
order, especially as his presidency is so nay sant? >> we had plenty of demonstrations in this country over time and the demonstrations against the war in vietnam and demonstrations against nixon in the '60s and '70s were huge and had a huge impact on the conduct of that war. i must tell you this is the biggest pushback we have seen in modern times. we have never seen anything like this at the beginning of a presidency. we have never had a sense of embarrassment. this is big. it's sending a message that citizens have a different view and welcome immigrants and refugees. the statue of liberty has not become passe. >> david druker, the policy director for the white house said this is just his it ter ya that the media is capturing and
people are behind what the white house is doing here. there are aurm of of people who support the white house and a number of people who voted for donald trump. like this promise that he made, but what is your assessment of where this is politically for donald trump and how this allows him -- has he spent capital that's going to hurt him here? >> we're at the beginning of his presidency and so much yet to happen. i would say a lot of the sensitivity and concern on the part of the protesters and republicans that don't like how broad the executive order was has to do with what the president said on the campaign trail. there was a point during the campaign when he called for a complete ban on immigration of muslims into the united states causing just about every republican that we can think of who they are. to reject that and say it goes against the constitution and values of the republican party. i think if trump never proposed
that, the reaction to this particular executive order might have been a little different. we saw late today the president come out with a statement show ing that they are sensitive. if you read this statement, it sounds in and of itself any republican that might have been elected president could have given that statement and i think that it might have caused if that would have been donald trump's rhetoric during the campaign might have caused them to look at this executive order differently even if they had issues with how it was worded. >> it's a really interesting point that david is making there because the folks behind donald trump will say president obama had a a pause in refugees coming in from iraq. the difference is he didn't have the rhetoric that we heard from donald trump over really the last months and that's having some people look at this and say
this is the muslim ban you promised on the campaign trail. >> i think david is right. had donald trump not called for a complete ban, this would be read differently. he was also right that it donald trump said in the campaign he was going to do something like this. he was going to go to severe vet issing. so i do think there are some justifications from a trump point of view for what he's doing, but the way they have done it is very different from the way obama did it. it's wrong to say there are some parallels to what obama did, but he limited for a brief time refugees. he never touched the green card holders, which has caused a fuss about this. obama never prioritized bringing christians in opposed to refugees more generally without regard to religion as donald trump has. and the context in which obama spoke was so very different.
obama was a man who welcomed refugees. he was a man proposed we allow in 100,000 next year. donald trump wants to cut it to 50,000. obama made it clear he likes muslims here. he wants them here. he was very sympathetic to that. and obama said as david pointed out that we don't want any here. the way this was done and frankly it was incompetence in terms of putting this together. they should have prepared people who were going to be flying. this could have gone down much easier had they been more thoughtful. but right now, they have a mess on their hands. and i'm afraid it's giving the country leaders if you're in the uk, france, germany, italy, all rejected this executive order. >> we're running out of time, but i want you to settle this for us.
the white house has pushed back on the suggestion that this was ham firsted in the way they rolled had this out. what is your reporting showing you and what you're hearing about really how much consultation that they should have done in any situation like this that they did do or did not do? >> there are a lot of republicans on the hill that conceptually support what trump is trying to do, which is impose stricter vetting measures because there's such a concern about terrorists that want to strike in the u.s. to their advantage and getting by our screens. but what they would have liked to have seen, some of them are supportive, but the ones who are critical would liked to have seen this done in a better fashion. not gotten iraqis translators for us, helped us overseas, kept americans safe caught up in this. i think they think it could have been handled smoother. there are republicans that are okay with this and have not been
critical. >> thank you to both of you. with this debate heating up, some critics are noting the president's wife is an immigrant. is her story an example of how the ban could have unintended consequences. we'll be talking about that next with melania trump's own immigration attorney. you're live in the cnn newsroom. ♪ (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light. do not go gentle into that good night. ♪ ♪
within hours of president trump's travel ban going into effect, federal judges in new york and massachusetts temporarily blocked part of the executive order. attorneys general from 16 states have issued a joint statement condemning president trump's, quote, unconstitutional, un-american and unlawful executive order. i want to bring in michael wilds. he's a u.s. immigration attorney and an immigration law professor and for full disclosure we should mention you represent trump models and melania trump in her immigration case. talk to us about these legal challenges and because there's language about religion and who would be treated preferential if they are from a religious minority in a country, e tell us if this okay under the constitution. >> personally, i don't think it's constitutional.
with all deference to our president who i believe in their hearts are genuinely inclined not only about compliance in law, but the safety of our country. i believe that this process is not constitutional. that there are more effective legal ways of protecting and keeping america safe. america is great and the president has sincerity in mind of making it great again. focusing on the countries with saudi arabia in the shadow with the hijackers doesn't click with me. particularly the way they are going after this where section three or article three of the executive order focuses on aliens from. that means dual nationals with u.s. citizenship or green card holders. they have a diminished
expectation. when they go to airports, green card holders have the same diminishment unless they married an american citizen. they could get citizenship or five years later they can get citizenship based on employment. the bottom line is during this caretaker period of time, they are part of the arsenal of america. they know from no other flag. they pray whatever day of the week they want to. now they are in jeopardy. i believe this system was design ed but it wasn't designed in a way for us to take away the privileges of permanent residence. >> michael, when you look specifically at this order -- it's several pages. i would encourage people to take a look at it and educate themselves on what is in here. when you say it's not constitutional, what specific part are you pointing to? are you pointing to section three or the language about
religion? what is it that you said is not going to pass? >> i think there are arguments to be made. obviously, the federal court judges that opined consistently that there were problems. now is it creating a problem under equal protection of the laws? federal prosecutors myself are going to argue that the equal protection order doesn't work off u.s. soil and foreign nationals don't have that privilege. is it due process? certainly if they are being stripped of their rights upon entry to the united states krg vg achieved the status or in violation of the nationality act as amended in 1965 where congress has the power and courts have turned to immigration and deferred to the power of congress. the president here stepping up saying i want to make america
safe. this is how i would like to start this process. there is, again, a vacuum that has been created in congress right now. i wish to god this is like the gang who can't shoot straight or leaders in congress that they get together monday morning and they should have been at this over the weekend to prevent something like this from happening. let me just say this. mrs. trump is the biblical e biblical ester. she has the year of the president that she was an immigrant to. she's one of the finest people i have ever met and i'm a democrat you should know i took on her case this summer because i was impressed with the handling of her papers and the compliance and the dignity with which she handled herself. she is an immigrant and she is is the best of what exemplifies what we should be attaining, which is to have people get work visas and citizenship. we have to keep ourselves safe.
i admire the president for keeping his promise in trying to do this, but i don't think this is the proper way. and we have to make sure we get this it right. >> you bring a very unique perspective. we thank you for joining us. michael wild, an immigration attorney. a prominent american muslim group is preparing to challenge the constitutionality of president trump's travel ban. not all muslims are opposed to it. you're going to meet the leader of a muslim group who supports the executive order. you're live in the cnn newsroom.
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under attack. we as attorneys are foot soldiers of the american constitution and took an oath to prevent from being targeted by the government. but a leader of another organization agrees with the president's executive order. the founder and president dr. jazzer is joining me from phoenix to talk about this and bring his perspective. tell us about this. you agree with president trump on this. why? >> as we have said from the beginning, thanks for having me on. the issue here is not on this executive order, but pausing immigration to vet against what is a very american principle which is not theocrats into the country who believe in it jihadism, but allowing those who believe in freedom and liberty. so far all of the vetting mechanism has been against terror groups. while it might be kpcomprehensi,
there's been no vetting for islamism and global jihadism. it makes sense to block those. by the way, i think saudi arabia should have been included, pakistan, qatar. we need to pause until we figure out what's going on. our muslim reform movement understands what's going on. >> i do want to challenge you on one thing. i hear what you're saying. . . they are not identify iing peop as christian or muslim in this order. but let me read from the order. it says to the extent permitted by law to prioritize claims made by individuals on the basis of religious base persecution provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the country of nationality. so that even without naming religions starts sorting people into different categories that would allow them to be prioritized. this is a problem coupled with president trump's rhetoric about promising a muslim ban that it
this is what people are looking at and they are having a problem with. do you understand where they are coming from on that? >> i understand but they are misreading what's written there. i sat on the commission for four years. in that tenure, we focused on the plight of minorities. it's very american to stand up for minority persecution. there's no specific religion identified. i can tell you as a reformist muslim, i believe that also includes minority believes within the population and others. there's no prohibition for muslims to be included in those minority groups that the president's executive order is lay i laying out. . >> you're assuming if they would be grouped out not just if you're muslim you're muslim. you're talking about you would think different muslim minorities would be separated from muslim majorities and that
it wouldn't just be recognized as an umbrella religion, but more the different parts of islam. >> not only different parts of islam, but the other fake minorities by saying when we protect people by what the statue of liberty means, it means religious tropical sto means freedom. whatever those believes are, they are persecuted in syria and somalia and yemen. we need to vet against that and for those who believe in freedom. we should not apologize as americans to say that we want people to be brought here not just in a policy of first come first serve, but actually a policy of those who want to be free, that are minorities within the majority. >> but when we hear people from the trump administration explaining it, they are not making that distinction that you are making. that seems to certainly cause some confusion or lead people to
believe maybe it isn't going to be implemented as you're describing it. do you see why they have that concern? >> you're right, and i think this is why it was done a little hastily. they need to engage our leaders that are diverse in the muslim community that we can block theocrats from coming in. not just terrorists, but theocrats. and that needs to be part of the conversation, which is very american. unfortunately, the way it's been rolled out it's being misrepresented and some of the verkage from the campaign is being used. we're not seeing that now that we have savvy folks putting these things together. the messaging is very important. i will not give up one iota of my civil rights, but i also believe any civil rights are key to defeating global terrorism and for those with the privilege of coming into the united states. >> thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it.
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abide by this executive order. this travel ban put in place by the trump administration. there have been a lot of c confusion about whether green card holders could either lead the u.s. and make it back in or out of u.s. as this was put in place if they would be able to return. this is what we are hearing this clarification coming from homeland security secretary john kelly. this is a statement clarifying this. it says, the status of these green card holders that lawful, permanent resident status will be a dispositive factor in our case by case determination. another official telling cnn the green card holders who are returning back to the u.s. are still going to be going through additional security screening. they will be going through these national security checks when they land. but the government is trying to ease their entry back into the u.s. so a signal that they are aware
this was perhaps creating unforeseen problems, these green card holders who ncould leave o be detained and it was confusing whether they would be able to get back into the u.s. we'll keep following that for you. u.s. central command announced the first american combat death under president trump today. this actually happened during a raid against al qaeda in it yemen. one of the seven countries included in the travel ban. three other u.s. service members were wounded in this raid. we have cnn reporter ryan brown with us to tell us more. what can you tell us? >> this service member was skilled during a raid against al qaeda headquarters. it's called additional intelligence. it's not targeted leaders, but it was a raid looking to get more intelligence about potential plots. three additional service members were wounded. now we're told just now that those wounds are not serious and some of them have returned to
duty. additionally, the aircraft set to support the troops crashed in a hard landing. the u.s. decided to destroy it. three additional service members were injured during that crash, but it's called minor injuries and have since returned back to duty. al qaeda and yemen is considered the most successful dangerous franchise it and we're seeing ramped up strikes on donald trump's first day in office against the terror group. so this group was behind the "charlie hebdo" attacks in paris. we're seeing targeting strikes against the terror group in the first week of trump's presidency. >> ryan brown, thank you for that report. we have much more ahead. stay with us. two, please. (man) it was his turn to buy the next round. it just happened to be during... (crowd cheers) ...a huge pick six. a play so big, years from now it will be known as simply "the pick." it's a shame, but it's also a badge of honor
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reorganized the white house's national security counsel in a way that the former national security add virz calls quote, cold crazy. that comes from susan rice, so perhaps david gergen, back with me now, that may not be a surprise that there's some disagreement there. she said this is stone cold crazy. after a week of crazy, who needs military advice or intel to make policy on isil, syria, afghanistan or north korea. she's referring to the re mooufl of the dni, the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the joint chief of staff. what do you think about what has happened, about this move and then let's talk about the tweet. what do you think about this reorganization? >> well, i think you have to make careful distinctions here, it has been true for a number of years that someone from the domestic side of the white house
has become a principle in the international counsel. >> steven bannon, the president's top adviser now becoming a principle in this committee. >> right. he's now becoming a principle, david axelrod serve nd that role during the obama administration. karl rove had that position in the bush administration. w administration and for a period of time, in the clinton administration, i was a principle. in the national security counsel. i know there are some people what thought what the hell is he doing in there. but the president thought, president clinton thought that and subsequent presidents have thought that someone who brings an understanding of america and american politics and what the country will sustain, is worthwhile. i have no problem. if that's what bannon is not wup of my favorite people.
>> there's an argument that you should know what is politically feezasibl feasible, but without having the dni, does that concern you? >> absolutely. i must tell you, it is extraordinarily important to have not only visitation basis, chairman of the joint chiefs. the chairman ought to be there as a principle for every meeting. it is fine to have the defense secretary there. but they represent two, sometimes conflicting point of view. sometimes, slightly different and it's really important for the president to have the chairman sitting in front of him every time he has his defense chief sitting in there for the staff. national security counsel, but also porpt to have the director of national intelligence. in the clinton years, the first person who spoke in a meeting was usually the cia director because you wanted to get the intel straight before you went on to talk about okay, what are we going to do. >> and so, let me ask you about
the tweet the me is interesting from susan rice. because it brings up this issue of how the obama administration former administration officials are going to be responding to donald trump. you see that tweet, what do you think and what do you think about their response on really, a broader basis? >> well, you know, we're into a radical change of policies. and americans voted for americans, they wanted big change, but this is heart wrenching and there are a lot of people in previous administration or administrations who think we're moving in a terribly dangerous direction, so i don't think there's a problem with susan rice speaking up as a former you know -- she ran the nfc under obama and had her own controversy, but i don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. it seems to me, if we're going to have such controversial
initiative, then the debate needs to be joined. >> and i think we expect it's going to be. this is just a preview of more to come. thank you so much. >> i think it's a preview. i think president obama's going to be off the bench and in the field. >> and that is the big question. >> on a regular basis before this is over. >> we will see. that would be very certainly unprecedented, i would say, especially considering what we saw from george w. bush, but this is a very different white house we're talk u iing about n. and i also wabt to tell our viewers, you can see what we're looking at here, live pictures on the screen. several protests in cities across the country in response to this travel ban. straight ahead, rahm emanuel is a former chief of staff to president obama. just told our rosa flores something. we're going to share with you what that is. we'll bring her in for a report after a quick break. you are live in the cnn news room. retiring retired tires. and i never get tired of it. are you entirely prepared to retire? plan your never tiring retiring retired tires retirement
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