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neergs paul ryan nor the president could bridge the divide. the vote was canceled this afternoon. a short time later the president weighed in. here's a portion of his remarks from the oval office. >> we were very close. and it was a very, very tight margin. we had no democrat support. we had no votes from the democrats. they weren't going to give us a sing vote. it's a very difficult thing to do. i've been saying for the last year and a half that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode. it is exploding right now. we couldn't quite get there. we're just a very small number of votes short. in terms of getting our bill passed. a lot of people don't realize how good our bill was because they were viewing phase one. when you add phase two, which was mostly the signings of secretary price who is behind me and you add phase three which i think we would have gotten, it became a great bill. i think the losers are nancy
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pelosi and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare. they own it, 100% own it. and this is not a republican health care. this is not anything but a democrat health care and they have obamacare for a little while longer until it ceases to exist which it will at some point in the near future. and just remember, this is not our bill. this is their bill. when they all become civilized and get together and try and work out a great health care bill for the people of this country, we're open to it. we're totally open to it. i want to thank the republican party. i want to thank paul ryan. he worked very, very hard. i will tell you that. he worked very, very hard. tom price and mike pence who is right here, our vice president, our great vice president. everybody worked hard. i worked as a team player. and woman have loved to have seen it pass. again, i think you know i was
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very clear. i think there wasn't a speech i made where i didn't mention that perhaps the best thing that could happen is exactly what happened today. because we'll end up with a truly great health care bill in the future after thifr mess known as obamacare explodes. i never said, i guess i'm here what, 64 days. i never said repeal and replace obamacare. you've all heard my speeches. i never said it repeal it and replace it within 64 days. i have a long time. >> well, joining us from the north lawn, sara murray. it looks like the president is so far keeping a stiff upper lip. maggie told us in the last hour, an that he was very measured in his conversation with her. privately we're getting a sense of how he's handling this defeat? >> it's stunning for a president that we've seen willing to publicly fume about really any sleight including when it involved members of his own party. that is not the president we saw today. i do think his aides are
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insisting that he's okay with this defeat. he obviously wanted to win. this white house certainly needed a win in such a difficult week. but i think part of this stems from the fact that he did health care first because he felt like this is what they needed to do first. this is what republicans ran on for seven years. this is what the house speaker said they should do first. it's not really donald trump's first passion. he would much prefer to move on to tax reform. he certainly feels like now he has given health care a shot. they made an attempt and can move on to priorities he is moore invested in. >> the white house seems poised to steer the blame away from the president obviously and from the republican party. basically the president keeps talking about the democrats are at fault. >> this is an impressive bit of politics right here, anderson. to see the president come out today and say repeatedly, this is the fault of nancy pelosi. this is the fault of democrats. because we couldn't get anyone on board. reality is, the white house didn't work all that hard to get
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democrats on board for this legislation. they knew that there was really no chance they were going to convince democrats in the house to support any kind of repeal and replace for obamacare. but i think you're beginning to see this blame shifting. it is telling to see the president out there blaming democrats rather than offering sharp words to paul ryan. a number of people have said this is sure to strain his relationship with the house speaker. but that's not what we heard from the president today. we heard him take pains to layer praise upon the house speaker and try to place this blame squarely on the democrats. it will be interesting to see how this plays out in some of these future negotiations, how comfortable the president is trusting paul ryan when we get to things like tax reform. >> thanks very much. let's go now to the capitol where fill mattingly on how things came unravelled. no shortage of fingers being pointed. based on your discussions with folks, walk us through the relationship between the speaker and the president. what happened.
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>> it lines up with what you were just hearing with sara. the speaker praising president trump, praising his team for everything he's done. an interesting element is kind of how their relationship has grown throughout this process. i'm told not only did they meet in person today for that lunch for 90 minutes, but they spoke by phone four different times today over the course of the last two weeks. they've been talking by phone multiple times a day every single day. i'm told repeatedly their relationship person to person is actually in a good place. there are a lot of concerns though on the staff level. there's a lot of concerns who the points of contact are over at the white house. who can actually speak for things over at the white house. and some concern that maybe at var points in this health care negotiation that, undercut what republican leaders on capitol hill were trying to do. the interesting thing going forward and i think sara talked about the next steps, what the agenda items will be is if this relationship continues to stay in a good place or devolves. as of now, it seems like it's
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the former. >> it's obviously early. is there any sense on capitol hill how damaged republicans truly are? >> it's nod good for them. i've been talking to a lot of republicans both lawmakers in the wake of this happening and a lot of staff members. a lot of people in the senate waiting for this bill to come over next week. it's a little bit of a wait and see mode. they recognize there will be very real political damage back home in their districts. you think about the fact they've promise this had cycle after cycle after cycle. the big question becomes, where do they go from here? when they get to tax reform and infrastructure, is the decision by house republicans particularly the most conservative ones that hey, we've put our hands on the stove and gotten burnt a little bit. now we need to get 0 work together or do they decide to keep moving in this direction where they sink bills and what i've heard is does this force president trump to start working with democrats to start reaching out to democrats. that is not what conservatives on capitol hill want. that could be what happens going
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forward if things don't change and get better in the relations between the white house and capitol hill, anderson. >> phil, thanks very much. let's bring in the panel. cnn senior political analyst david gergen, matt lewis, former ted cruise communications director amanda carpenter joining the panel as well as everyone else. matt, we haven't heard from you. what do you want to talk about? >> not a great day. but i do think that you know, look. there's of this conventional wisdom that says that this is catastrophic and humiliating. i think that donald trump says who says? who says it has to be. abandonment is an underrated political tactic. what happened today is really bad for one day. but it could have been worse. this thing could have dragged on for weeks or months. there could have been fights in the senate. then it could have gone down in flames. the other option they could have pass this had really bad bill and truly owned it and when premiums went up and when people got kicked off their health insurance, they would have paid
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the price in the midterms and maybe in four years. so yes, it's a bad day. sometimes it's better to pull the band-aid off. >> amanda, i think to a point you made earlier, why after seven years talking about this is the first thing they come up with a really bad bill? jason was saying earlier, they should have had something on day one for president trump. here it is. >> here's what happened. no one expected trump to win. he didn't have a real plan. he outsourced that to paul ryan. but then paul ryan depended on trump to deliver to take care of the politics. president trump did not take care of the politics. he did not deliver account conservatives because no one understood that the conservat e conservatives were dead set on real repeal. there's been a debate throughout the campaigns over we would do repeal or repeal and replace. it was not a sealed done deal that everyone wanted repeal and replace simultaneously. the freedom caucus has always been against that. that played out in spectacular fashion and they learned it the hard way today. >> one of the things worth
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mentioning too is the last time we had a situation like this when george w. bush became president, you had even people like your former boss, jim demint who would go into the oval office and george w. bush said you have to support in oemt tr will be a bloodbath. even jim demint before he kind of learned that lesson went along with things. he didn't vote for no child left behind but things like amendments to it. >> playing the outside game. he saw this play out, too. >> that is my point now this freedom caucus, there is an infrastructure that's been built up by the conservative movement in the past decade. these guys are tougher. they've joined together and they're going to be much harder. >> miscalculation here which was they've shown they can organize as a block that they could have real power as far as impacting legislation. they could have been the group that could have put this over the top and all could be celebrating this weekend and say we've taken the first steps to repeal and replace obamacare. no one is going to throw them high fives.
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>> the club for growth isn't exist ten years ago, freedomwor freedomworks. heritage action. >> the leadership thought trump could deliver. he was doing videos saying please call your congressman. he has no grass-roots organization to get everyone to lobby in the bill. he's going to go after people like he did rand paul. it amounted to nothing. >> he didn't really love this bill. he didn't even like this bill. >> it wasn't his bill. >> it wasn't his bill? >> well, it was his bill. it actually was his bill. this is the freedom caucus is the reason john bane ser off somewhere tonight having a nice glass of merlot. right? they did this to john boehner. they got rid of john boehner. that was it. and this is going to come back to donald trump again and again if he wants to do infrastructure. if he wants to do tax reform. so now the question is, what are the limits of presidential leadership for donald trump? has he run into this now or is he going to go after these guys.
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>> i don't know what he does next. >> he needs to get back on the road and start going after senate democrats. if i were this administration, i would put him on road, going to indiana, talk about joe donnelly and talking about tax reform, claire mccaskill into how wounded is the president just because of his low poll numbers? does that have an impact on his ability? >> he's wounded. it's worth pointing out other presidents have had a hard time with health care reform. seven have tried it. bill clinton had a democratic house and senate. and with his health care with hillary, and they couldn't get it onto the floor. they couldn't get it out of committee. now, this happened over a year into his presidency. he already had other accomplishments. trump has gotten hurt because this is the first big test in his presidency. he emerges with a cloud over his credibility over wiretapping, over the relationship of his team, his association with the russians. and now he's got a cloud over his capacity to govern. his capacity to make the deal.
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he ran as the dealmaker. the great dealmaker, the closer. wa have you and he failed miserably with that. he has to go back. amanda is right. he has to go back to fundamentals like not outsourcing your ideas to somebody in the house of representatives. they've got to come from you, something you're passionate about. he went along for the ride on this. >> john, is that the kind of leader he is? you know, on the campaign trail, he was never talking about the details of health care reform or any kind of details. you get the sense that as a leader much like perhaps ronald reagan he had broad brush daenz would leave the details. >> people often try to make ronald reagan to be the sort of. >> jeffrey lord is not here. >> people often describe and democrats fall pre is the village idiot who the came to washington. george w. bush is the village idiot who came to washington. it's a different environment.
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this is new for president trump. he's never been a politician, never the ceo of a government enterprise, not something big and far flung and he inherited. he's run a family business where loyalty is a premium. the republican party is split into so many different fractions now and they have legitimate policy fights over this. some of this is politics. some of this is i don't like the speaker or he's not my president. that's not my republican party. most of what we saw today was they have real honest to god differences that mark meadows has a very different view of the government's role in health care. it's hard to resolve, they needed to do more work beforehand. we make things too complicated sometimes. we can overdo this. however, the president's brand was, i'm a dealmaker. i'm going to fix a broken washington. he needs a win at some point. his voters are very loyal to him. republican voters will be mad at their congress because they've been waiting for seven years for this opportunity. trump of voters are different
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republican voters. his brand is i'm different. barack obama's brand was i'm new, i'm different, i will fix a broken washington. when he couldn't do that, that's when he started to lose the middle. donald trump never had the middle but he has his people. at some point, your brand suffers. he needs a win. >> he needs a win and the normal way to get one would be to make cause with democrats. phil said he's going to suddenly start to look to maybe leverage some sway over these recalcitrant house republicans by maybe dangling some ideas out at democrats. i think it's too late for him to do that. if had he come out of the box and suggested some ideas on repairing the affordable care act, it would have put a lot of pressure on red state democrats to work with him. similarly if he came out of the box and proposed the infrastructure proposal he talked about during the campaign, it would have been a ton of pressure on red state democrats to work with him. instead they're all united probably against the supreme
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court pick even on an issue where they should feel pressure to work with him. they're largely lining up against him. i don't think they're going to be there be to try to triangulate against the house republicans in the freedom caucus. >> do you think if he had choseton do infrastructure first, that -- >> two things would have happened. base would have said resistance. #resistance. oppose donald trump at every turn. but there would have been a ton of middle of the road democrats that were staring at a 2018 re-election race that would say i've talked to about this proposal. i have to hear him out. it would have split. >> barack obama and donald trump were both elected as sort of change agents. both of them could he have tried to transcend their parties. i think president obama you know, made a mistake by pushing through obamacare and in a very partisan party line fashion. donald trump similarly could have triangulated and sort of
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you know, transcended partisanship. he also chose to go to his base. >> i will say this quickly. donald trump has to deliver a win for republicans soon because he needs political cover on these russian questions. if he doesn't deliver a win pore republicans they can tell constituents this is why i'm with the president, if he doesn't give them the policy, he won't have political protection on the other issues. mccain and graham are ready to throw him under the bus. they will throw him under quicker if there's not a win on health care or tax policy very soon. >> taxes is a place to get a win. gorsuch is another win. when we talk about the economy, what got donald trump into the presidency in the first place, 48% of the american people think it the economy is moving in the right direction. highest number since 2003. that is what is going to give this president. >> but the market response now has been on the idea he'll get things done on health care and tax reform. that looks like it's not happening. > tax reform. >> this puts a real cloud over
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his capacity to get reform done. they were counting on as much as $500 billion. >> trillion. >> of improvement and economic outlook of the government. they wouldn't have to make up for in the tax bill. with that disappeared, the climate for tax reform is going to be hard. it's going to be easier to get corporate but personal hard. >> our chief medical correspondent dr. gupta talks about the idea without big changes, obamacare will explode or implode which is what the republicans are saying. is it in a death spiral or not? stay with us for that.
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but we can protect your home and auto. [ chuckles ] all right. you heard the president say anything is the best plan given today's setback is wait for the affordable care act to implode and explode. the notion that it will is practically a token of faith among republicans. here's the phrase they all use a lot. >> it's in a death spiral. >> it's undeniable obamacare is in a death spiral. >> death spiral. >> quote, obamacare is in a death spiral. death spiral. it's a weird term. kind of gruesome. death spiral. >> death spiral, if you will. >> dearth smiling health care system. >> let obamacare explode. it is exploding right now. >> the idea that obamacare is teetering on the brink of collapse has been debunked a number of times. the congressional budget office scoring it. it concluded nearing the replacement nor obamacare will send markets into a death
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spiral. we talked about it with former presidential candidate bernie sanders. what is your opinion on this republican notion that obamacare is going to explode, that it's in a death spiral, that it's going to explode? >> well, i think the evidence suggests ha that is not the case. but on the other hand, what is fair to acknowledge is the deductibles in many cases are too high. premiums are too high and while obamacare has slowed down the rate of health care increase, it is going up much too fast. >> let's get more from our own health care expert, chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay go up an ta. politicians gave take on obamacare. what are you seeing regarding obamacare from a dr.'s perspective? >> every hospital in america takes care of a certain number of patients who are referred to as indigent care patients, patient either under insured or uninsured.
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that was the situation for a long time. what you saw over the last seven years is simply more patients had insurance. now, what that means practically in a lopt, first of all the hospital is more likely to get reimbursed but also patients were more likely to come in earlier in the course of their disease till waiting quite late in the course of their disease. if you prescribed medications, because of prescription drug coverage, they could get those medications. in my case, i'm a neurosurgeon. if i scheduled surgery i would run into situation whereas patients would have this rob and needed surgery but you wouldn't see them again. they knew they wouldn't be able to afford the operation or it would put them into bankruptcy. so now that sort of situation has changed. i think primarily in indigent care hospitals, but i think again all hospitals i think have been impact bid this in some way. >> what is the greater medical community by of the act? >> it's interesting, if you ask the greater medical community and they poll on this say what
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percentage of doctors across the board will give this an a grade, the affordable care act, it's very low. 3%, 3.5% or so give it an a grade. you can see the numbers. a quarter or so give it a failing grade. so it's not to say that people thought this was perfect by no means. those aren't great grades but they still when asked the follow-up question, do you want to get rid of it, they overwhelmingly said, no. there was changes they said that needed to be made, specifically in terms of lowering costs specifically in terms of decreasing the paperwork, the sentiment has been among a lot of physicians we've talked to that we're just being asked to do a lot more with a lot less. we were 22,000 primary care doctors short even before affordable care act was implemented. and then you added millions more to the insurance and now we're stretched even thinner. so all of that was going on, as well. but still on balance, the idea that people had health care insurance that they can get
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their care, when you recommended something to the patient they would carry through because they had insurance that was a more positive sentiment. >> sanjay, thanks very much. stay with us. i want to bring in the rest of the panel. i guess my question is, what happens i mean clearly the government's not -- president trump is not going to be encouraging more people to sign on for obamacare. so what happens until what happens moving forward? >> if you take the president at his word today, we wait a little bit here. one of the interesting challenges is he's right. the democrats passed obamacare. they, quote unquote, own it. he's president of the united states now. the republicans control the senate and house. a lot of these problems especially with the options where there's only one insurer. a lot of those are in rural areas. a lot of those are trump voters. when members of congress again account republican who have promised for six, seven years to repeal and replace obamacare, first it was repeal, when they go home, their constituents can't vote against barack obama.
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they can't vote against the democratic member of congress. the republicans own there. they're responsible for governing now. they do own where we go from this day forward because they run the government. if people are stuck in government, they blame the politician now. it may not be fair but they blame the guy in office now. will they wait awhile? they will. the speaker is not in a mood to touch this for a while.president not him. >> it's such a huge massive bill. what happened to the republicans here and their problem going forward is, they got stuck on the replace part. if they had just had a vote for repeal and said, we're repealing it and over the next two years, we're going to replace it, and give people a little time to kind of figure out what the right bill was, talk to the insurance industry. get the stakeholders together. get your party together. get maybe some democrats together. and say look, we're repealing this two years from now.
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we voted to do it. and we're going to work out how we're going to do it and let you know gradually so we don't surprise you. that might have worked a little bit better than this. now i think they're stuck with figuring out some kind of incremental things that they can do to fix the problems with obamacare. >> the problem with the repeal though was the worry that you actually then would have the death spiral that insurance companies would say, hey, let's get out of this. >> but they would vote to repeal it and say it's not happening for a couple years. >> the sequester, the notion that people will work together if you force them to work together if you give them a deadline, i'm not convinced they would have had a bill two years later. >> but there might have been a lot of pressure and more stakeholders in it. that's all i'm saying. there had to be a better way to do it. i know it's monday morning quarterbacking. >> that should have been the starting bill. repeal the bill, and that forces everyone to have the conversation what you do next.
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this is what the congressman proposed last night on cnn. let's break this thing. >> we lost our opportunity for an outright repeal in 2013. that was our chance outright repeal. still would have had president obama there. now the fact that let's look at president trump for a moment and what he said on the campaign trail. just an outright repeal and leave it alone. that would really cut against the populist brand. you need repeal and replace. he very much views himself as a problem solver. someone who is a solutions oriented and outright repeal i don't think would do it. they've got to get it right and before that, get some wins. >> leadership and trump wanted to do this simultaneously. other people wanted to do it in two steps. it's the same debate we have over border security all the time. everyone a lot of democrats want comprehensive immigration reform. conservatives say no, secure the
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border first. same thing with obamacare. repeal the bill first. >> there are many good ideas what ought to be doon in the interim. president trump has made it clear he doesn't want to do anything big. to john's point, and that is it's extraordinary to have a president as he did today beak said to say, well, we failed and therefore, we ought to let the existing system you know collapse. and a lot of people will suffer in the meantime. it's the democrats fault. >> democrats started this fire so the republican fire won't put it out. >> when you take over the presidency, you often inherit problems from your predecessor's policies that you've got to clean up. barack obama inherited george w. bush's iraq war. and richard nixon inherited the vietnam war. they didn't walk away. every franklin roosevelt got elected he didn't walk away because hoover tried terrible policies. he tried things and failed several times. but he kept trying.
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i think donald trump has a moral responsibility to people who might be suffering in this country. he cannot simply walk away. >> he will. >> to david's points in addition to inheriting the iraq war, he inherited the bush tax cuts. that wore out after about two or three months. then it becomes the incumbent party's problem. it's going to be impossible for the republicans to try to blame the democrats also because democrats to the extent there are failures that arise now, they're going to be willing to work with him on a one-off basis on practical decisions. elia cummings talked about reducing the cost of prescription drugs. he's willing to work with the president. the president is taking his ball and going home. >> we've got to take a quick break. more from the panel, also dr. sanjay gupta is going to weigh in, as well. we'll be right back. (vo) do not go gentle into that good night,
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well, the breaking news in case you've been in a cave, major defeat on capitol hill. the health care bill collapsing after an house speaker ryan and president trump decided to pull it. they did not have the enough republican votes. back in february, president trump praised the plan but also made a surprising confession. >> we have come up with a solution that's really, really i think very good. i have to tell you it's an unbelievably complex subject. nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. >> a couple people maybe knew. we're back with the panel. sanjay, you've seen the effects of obamacare ca every day as a doctor. from the medical community and patient's perspective, what was the most controversial change being mulled over by
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republicans. >> in my opinion, this essential health benefit thing that came up over the last couple days, something that people didn't pay attention to was certainly the most important provision that they were thinking about removing from this new plan. remember it's called the patient protection and affordable care act. people forget that. the patient protections part of it was a big deal. this idea that you could buy insurance plans before the affordable care act went into place that weren't very good plans. if you actually got sick or you got in an accident, they may not cover your emergency room visit, they may not cover your ambulance ride, may not cover an operation you need in the hospital. that's what you have insurance for, that's the nature of insurance. keep in mind also in 2009, 62% of bankruptcies in the united states were because of medical expenses and many of those people had insurance. they had health care insurance. it just wasn't adequate insurance. so the idea that you once again would make these what are called
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skinny plans or junk plans put them out there will, i think was concerning. for the medical community and also for patients that you thought you were insured but when you needed, it wasn't there for you. >> david, i heard you say earlier this was shaping up in your opinion to be the worst first 100 days of any presidency. do you stand by that. >> i do. you forgot william henry harrison. >> that sounds like a jeffrey lourdes note. >> he was the general who refused to dress properly on a cold bitter day and rode his horse down pennsylvania avenue, came down with pneumonia and died. he had 97 days, very quiet final 100 days. but you know it's hard to think of any other president certainly in modern times. i can't think of any other president. we've had a lot of presidents who stumbled in the first 100 days. bill clinton had stumbles. he slipped on some banana peels.
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jack kennedy had the bay of pigs. it often happens you make mistakes. we've never had this kind you have major legislative catastrophe on top of all the kind of investigations that are under way. and the attacks on his credibility which i think are eroding trust and belief in him. so he's come out of this very battered i think as president. he's not the same -- he doesn't command the heights the way he did when he came in. that's not to say he can't recover. it is to say he's had a terrible 100 days. >> you worked in white houses. in terms of recovering from something like that, is it a shake-up of staff. >> they need a david gergen. >> then they'll have the worst 1,000 days. listen, i think he is going to need to -- i'm not sure he needs to change the people but he clearly needs to change the structure so there's an orderly structure of governing.
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>> a lot of chiefs of staff stlas too many people who can get the president's ear and not clear portfolios. >> the structure that, would best is a pyramidal structure in which the president is on top. the chief of staff is right under the president. all the paper all the coordination comes through the chief of staff to insure the president gets the wide spectrum of judgments that he needs in order to be a good effective president. it means you have to bear down as president and read. you can't do that. you can't do this by outsourcing things. amanda made the point earlier. he's got to do a lot of things to put it back on track and it starts with getting -- i think he's got a better national security team. >> more breaking news. three former trump advisers volunteered to talk with congress about their possible collusion or contacts with russia, plus kevin nunes sparks new controversy. we'll have the details of that. ♪ can i get some help. watch his head.
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breaking news, three former advisers to president trump during the campaign volunteered to be questioned by congress about their possible collusion with russia including paul manafort. devin nunes unexpectedly
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canceled his committee's next public hearing planned for tuesday fielding calls by critics for an independent commission. all week long tension has been ramping up between nun's and adam schiff. on wednesday nunes bypassed committee members and briefing the white house on intelligence reports he said suggest president trump's communications may have been picked up by incidental. i spoke to jim himes earlier. chairman nunes said he had a quote duty and obligation to brief president trump because he was "taking a lot of heat in the news media." i wonder what your reaction to that is. >> there's a couple of obvious reactions. it's not the chairman of the intelligence panel's job to symptom heat from the media headed in the president's direction. secondly, it is the chairman of the intelligence committee's job to oversee an objective
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investigation of what director comey of the fbi told us they are also investigating which is the possibility that there might have been as he put it, links or coordination with trump associates and the russians. of course, his act as well as his act today canceling an open hearing with some witnesses, this week sadly, sums up to an awful lost efforts to slow down and obstruct this investigation. >> the idea of canceling open hearing next tuesday with clapper, salliates and others, you think that's to basically kind of try to slow things down or continue this idea of keeping heat off the white house? >> there's no doubt what happened. monday's hearing at which the fbi director acknowledged the investigation at which the fbi director and the nsa director said there was no evidence to support trump's contention that there was obama wiretapping in trump tower, that was a pretty ugly hearing for the white
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house. i imagine that the chairman got a heck of a lot of shall we say negative feedback from the white house on that hearing. so consequently, i think he was probably pressured into not allowing that to happen again. which is a real tragedy not just for the investigation but for the american people. >> do you think there will be open hearings with those individuals? because now he's saying he wants to bring in comey and the head of the nsa, mike rogers back forcy a second hearing next week behind closed doors so that theoretically they can have more classified or sensitive information discussed. >> well, i can tell you two things about that. number one, we're not aware of any particular follow-up that is urgent with director comey and admiral rogers. now, obviously, they may want to say things that they can't say in open hearing. but again, as democrats we were not told that there was anything particularly urgent. and second, what a remarkable coincidence that closed hearing
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would be scheduled or attempted to be scheduled because i'm not sure it's going to happen lo and behold right on top of the open hearings scheduled where the witnesses had agreed to appear before us. >> when i spoke to you earlier this week, you told me i'm quoting shaken by the chairman's behavior with briefing the president. at this point, do you have confidence in chairman nunes' ability to actually lead this investigation? >> well, this is now the third or fourth time that chairman nunes has done something that has called into question whether he is acting as an impartial chairman of an investigation or whether he's acting as a member of the trump transition team which he is. obviously, he really has to choose one of those two roles. now, it's profoundly troubling to us. here's the thing. we're in a little bit i've box because i have to believe that those people whom may have something to hide, those connections that might exist, they would love nothing more than for the headline to read democrats walk away from the
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investigation. and that the investigation shuts down. so we are going to remain dogged here. we're producing witness lists. we are demanding evidence. we're going to keep working here and just hope that the chairman eventually comes to decide that he will in fact, lead an objective investigation. >> we also learned today paul manafort, roger stone, carter page will testify in front of the committee. earlier this week -- you certainly wanted them to do so. do you know what sort of how you plan to go about that with them, or have you not even gotten there. >> we're in the process now of developing witness lists. it will be a preliminary witness list because once you've interviewed people, you mail learn things that cause to you want to interview others. we are in the process of developing that list. those names will be on it along with many others. obviously it's a step in the right direction if we don't have to subpoena somebody but they come voluntarily. that's actually a little piece of good news in what was otherwise a tough day for the investigation.
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>> congressman, appreciate your time. thanks. >> thank you. just ahead tonight, paul manafort's offered to testify about his russia connections as he's bushing back over fresh allegations over ties to a russian oligarch. details ahead. micellar cleansing water from garnier skinactive. the garnier micelles act like a magnet, to cleanse, remove makeup and refresh. all in one! micellar cleansing water from garnier skinactive. announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪ if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist
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as we said three former advisers of president trump during the campaign agreed to be questioned about their collusion. including paul manafort. in a letter to cnn mr. page wrote i would easily welcome the chance to speak with the committee in coordination with obama administration which defamed me and other americans. when i spoke to mr. page recently he told me his contact basically amounted to going to some trump rallies. >> president trump said it absolutely 110% accurate. i never briefed him. in reality -- >> did you ever meet him? >> i never shook his hand. i've been in many rallies with him from arizona to north dakota
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to many in new york. >> rallies. >> rallies, which are meetings. i've been in smaller -- >> i'm saying 100s and thousands of people who have been to trump rallies can they say they've been in meetings with donald trump? >> they're smaller. anderson, listen, they were often discussed in rallies, et cetera. >> i know but i i go to a rally of donald trump it doesn't mean i'm an advisor of donald trump or i'm going to a meeting. it just means i'm going to rally. so you just went to rally? >> yeah, things like that, exactly. >> this week manafort denied fresh allegations against him over his ties to a russianole
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grk. steve griffon reports. >> reporter: the latest tonight between a trump associate and russia was dug up by associated press in a 2005 memo in which paulmanfort was pitching a plan to greatly benefit the putin government. manafort confirmed to cnn he did work for oleg. "i have always publicly acknowledged that i worked for mr. deripaska and his company, rusal adding i did not work for the russian government. once again manafort writes smear and ino are being used to paint
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a false picture. he provided investment consulting services but declined to provide any additional details. manafort and his russian billionaire had a major falling out. court documents showed $19 billion, they invested in a ukrainian tell concompany. but the deal went south, and according to a legal filing deripaska said manafort simply disappeared. this afternoon down-playing any connection to the president. >> there is no suggestion he did anything improper or to suggest that the president knew who his clients were from a decade ago is a bit insane. he was hired to do a job. he did it. that's it plain and simple. >> it's just the latest russian
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headline headache for the trump administration. cnn reported the fbi is already investigating possible connections between trump campaign officials including manafort and russian officials. manafort was fired wii the trump campaign on august 14th. that was the same day the fbi announced manafort was involved in another investigation and another possible connection to russian. this time it was his consulting work victor, who eventually had to flee. after manafort's named on a ledger of $12.7 million in secret payments. manafort denies he ever took money ilely from anyone in his worldwide consulting business. he denies he pushed any russian agenda while working in ukraine.
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and he now denies that connection with a russian billionaire had anything to do with a plan to enrich russian president vladimir putin. drew griffon, cnn, atlanta. >> and we'll see if he does end up talking to lawmakers. not a . this is not a screensaver. this is the destruction of a cancer cell by the body's own immune system, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪ ♪ at crowne plaza we know business travel isn't just business. there's this. 'a bit of this. why not? your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we're all business, mostly.
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and thanks for watching. it is time to hand things over to don lemon. cnn tonight starts right now. have a great weekend. breaking news indeed. the trump administration reeling at a massive defeat at members of its own party. we often say this is not politics as usual. well it's certainly not pull tks as usual for the president to be forced to pull his own healthcare bill at the last minute when he can't get the votes from his own party. a staggering failure from the man who prides himself on his ability to make deals. he gets a taste of defeat tonight. >> we were very close. it was a very, ver