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rhetoric, past the tweets and he can bring people around the table. we can start coming up with real solutions and get away from that polarization. >> van jones out in the field. time to hand things over to van jones in california. the messy truth starts right now. [ applause ] welcome to the messy truth. i'm van jones. thank you for being here. the one and only arnold schwarzenegger is in the house tonight. we will have him. we have a live audience here to ask him questions. it's going to be fantastic. i've been working on that. before we bring limb out, i want to talk about a couple other names in the news. donald trump, susan rice and jared kushner. with his usual zero facts and no evidence, president trump today
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declared that susan rice is guilty of a crime. what crime? didn't say. with the same zero facts he says that bill o'reilly is innocent. i'm going to get to bill later in the show. let me say a couple words about susan rice. the right wing media wants to burn susan rice at the stake for doing her job. that's it. susan rice was our national security adviser. to give good advice, you gotta ask good questions. especially when fishy looking stuff lands on your desk. okay? finding out for yourself the names of sketchy people doing possibly sketchy things is called unmasking. okay? it doesn't mean revealing that to the world. that would be illegal. it does mean revealing those names to yourself at your desk so you can do a better job advising the president. as best we can tell, that's all she did. her job.
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if she were a terrible person, up to no good, trying to ruin donald trump, you know what she would have done, what she could have done? she could have called a press conference in the middle of the election, like james comey did from the fbi. she could have run around screaming bloody murder. look what i found, look what i found. she didn't do that. she got very disturbing information and she looked into it. and as best we can tell, she did her job inside the proper channels. donald trump should give susan rice the presidential medal of freedom. comey would have created a firestorm and possibly wrecked his campaign. republicans should love susan rice. they should thank susan rice. thank you for being a professional. instead, they're throwing fits. why? maybe they don't want you to
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think about what susan rice unmasked. people on trump's team possibly playi ining footsy with bad guy from russia. jared kushner is the opposite of susan rice. he has zero qualifications for his job, except he married ivanka. nobody even knows what his job is. he is wandering around the world, riding his tricycle ash the world saying, god knows what to god knows who. okay? trained diplomats worry that one wrong word could put us on a path to war. we have no idea what kind of messes jared is out there creating right now. if republicans are concerned about the proper function of our government, they should call hearings on jared and his role and point to susan rice as an example of how to follow protocol. how is that for a messy truth? how is that? [ applause ]
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let me welcome to the stage somebody who knows how to run government the right way, because he ran this beautiful state of california very well for two terms, the one and only governor arnold schwarzenegger. in the house! [ applause ] doesn't get any bigger than that. wow. >> thank you very much for the nice introduction. >> glad to have you here. >> that's the way i wrote it. i like the now you are starting with the accent. >> i try. >> that's funny. >> we have had a great day today. he knows, it's a hard accent to mimic. we had a great day.
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we started out dealing with young people. you are so passionate about the young people. we have students here. we have people from your institute at usc, a bunch of students are here. we also have young people from your program, your after-school program, after school all stars. give a round of applause for the young people who he is lhelping every day. thank you for being here. it means a lot. [ applause ] i watched you. you didn't know i was watching you. but when we were together and you were looking at those kids, i was looking at you. you love those kids. you love those kids. i want to ask you a question. do you think that donald trump's budget reflects the values of a man who loves kids the same way that you do? >> well, look, i understand when people have budget problems and we try to cut down the deficit and all of those kinds of things because i have gone through it when i was governor. the fact of the matter, when you
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try to cut the budget, the first thing is you cut children's programs, especially after-school programs that are so important to our families, to our kids, and you try to balance the budget on the backs of those kids, i think there's something wrong. this is why i spoke up. and this is why i challenge him on that. i think it's extremely important that we do everything that we can to get this $1.2 billion back in the budget. the kids need it. after-school programs is an extraordinary great, great program. he has talked so much about the making america great. i just feel like taking that $1.2 billion away from the kids is not making america great. >> it's hard to argue with that. [ applause ] are you going to go and fight? republicans were saying, we don't like trump. as soon as he got in there, they fell over. are you going to go to d.c. and do something about it? are you hoping and praying? >> first of all, let me just
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tell you that the history of this is after bill clinton has made it possible that we have money in the first place, every president since then has taken it out of their budget. i remember president bush took it out. we immediately went back to washington and lobbied. and we brought democrats and republicans together. >> you will do that this time? >> we did it also after that, we did it again with obama. we did it now -- we will go and get organized again and do it again. it's that simple. we're not going to let anyone take that money away, because this is what helps kids so much to have a program after school. because 70% of the kids come from homes where both of the parents are working. >> governor, you got a big heart. you care and you are out there for the good stuff. yet, donald trump doesn't seem to see you in the good way that you do, and the way we do. here is what donald trump had to
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say about you. i want to get your reaction. he said this at the national prayer breakfast. >> hired and schwarzenegger to take my place. we know how that turned out. the ratings went right down the tubes. it's been a total disaster. and mark will never, ever bet against trump again. i want to just pray for arnold if we can for those ratings. >> now, this is the president of the united states. you are laughing. you are laughing. he is laughing. >> i think it's funny. [ applause ] >> the president of the united states in a prayer breakfast says this. why do you think it's funny? >> i think it's funny he uses a prayer breakfast. plus, you know, i have thick skin. this doesn't bother me at all. it's very funny. it gave me an opportunity to go and shout back and say, you know, the show didn't do well
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because one-third of the audience left because they boycott because you are the executive producer, donald trump. if you not open up your mouth and tell everybody that you executive producer, we would have had great ratings on the show. but they advertisers left. the audience left. they hate the guy. they left. so i was caught in the middle of this political thing there. that's yeah said i'm not going to do the show again. >> i will challenge you. a lot of republicans who think like you, who maybe have moderate views, there were 16 of them, 17 of them on themowed th down. how does it make you feel when you think about the fact that the party -- those republican voters, they may not like your show. they sure like donald trump. >> that's perfectly fine. i think that donald trump won the presidency. i called him right after he won. i said congratulations. you are now our president.
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anything i can do, i will be helpful. if you are successful, we all are going to be successful. i say the same thing also about obama and the republicans when i went to the republican fund-raising in california. obama just won. i said to them, i said, now we all have to go and help obama be successful. i said, because he is our president. the people have spoken. i believe in a democracy and our voting system and everything like that. they ooh and aah. no, no, no. it's extremely important that we think of it as americans here, not as republicans versus democrats. this is what is wrong right now with the country. it's so divided. everything is about democrats versus republicans. i feel the parties have to come together. i think that the only way they will come together eventually is if you have redistricting reform, which is another thing i'm pass nionate about.
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>> you said you called him. that means you must have his phone number. are you friends? >> we have been friends for many, many years, for decades as a matter of fact. >> why is he so mean to you? >> we run into each other in professional wrestling. we have run into each other -- he was wanting to contribute to my campaign when i ran for governor. the only thing why we didn't accept his money was because it was from a gaming casino. i didn't accept money from gaming casinos and from gambling. and from unions, a certain list of things i didn't accept money. we had a very good relationship. the only thing is, what i think what ticked him off is the fact that i didn't vote for him and that i came out and said i'm not going to vote for him. i would urge others not to vote for him. i think that ticked him off. the reason why i didn't -- the reason why i didn't want to vote for him is because just along the issue that he wanted to bring coal back.
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i say, i've been fighting for clean environment since the time i've come into the governorship. we have to go and cleaner environment. we have to go into a green energy future. we have 7 million people die every year because of pollution. i told him that. therefore, i cannot endorse you because you want to bring coal. the next thing you want to bring back is horse and buggy or bl k blockbuster or pagers. i don't think you are a man of the future. [ applause ] >> i would like to bring somebody in, a trump supporter, randy is here in l.a. trying to fly the trump flag in l.a. god bless you. what do you have to say? >> i actually have been organizing the trump rallies in southern california, hollywood and l.a. areas since august. which is pricomprised of inform democrats, a lot of minorities, homeless people and veterans. we are intrigued to see if anything can be done to stop
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people from spitting at us and on trump's star. a lot of people don't know the trump star was vandalized and destroyed. we are spit at. there's a lot of minorities and democrats who are being spit at by the haters. we're just intrigued if there's anything that you think can be done. most of us out on the streets supporting trump want to unify. a lot of us are anti-establishment at this point. >> first of all, let me just say that it is very sad that america has gotten to the point where they look at the other side as the enemy. because they're not the enemy. he is a democrat. i'm a republican. i don't look at him as the enemy. i love the kind -- >> i'm glad you don't, sir. >> it's ridiculous. it used to be both of the parties worked together. this is what it's supposed to be. i think it goes back to george washington, president washington. he always said he is not a party man.
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if you have two parties, i think they have to get together and work together. this is why it's so important that we understand that redistricting. the way they draw the district lines in such a way the republicans get locked into one direct and democrats in another. they get further and further apart. whether they come to washington, or any of the capitals, they can't work together. the other side becomes the enemy. we have to get rid of this problem. it's important that we respect each other, that we can have a fair debate and argument about the issues. it's okay to have different points of view and different ideologies and all of those things. the to me, when i got into office it was how can i bring democrats and republicans together? the action is only whether you are together solve problems. then look what happened, president obama started signing et executive orders because he couldn't get anything done through congress. now they're all gone.
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now trump is signing executive orders and not doing it through congress. they will be gone the next president comes in. it's not a long-lasting legacy. you have to work with congress. you have to be a leader. you have to bring both of the parties together. it's very difficult do that right now, as you know, because of the way they rigged the system and the way they draw the district lines. that's why in california we have taken the drawing of the district lines away from the politicians. i campaigned on that for many years. eventually, we had the people approved. we put it on the ballot, an initiative. the people approved it finally after the third time, they approved it. >> had yyou had the great line the united states rather than the voters picking the politicians, the politicians were picking the voters because of the system. >> they pick the voters instead of the voters picking the politicians. the they rig the system in such a way. we got rid of that in california. >> we will talk about that when
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we get back. stick with us. >> you promise? >> i many pro is. i got the governor. i gotta do what he says. whether we get back, more questions from the audience. we will ask whether we are ever going to see the name schwarzenegger on the ballot again whether n we get back. ♪ we are not here to sit idly by. we are leave a mark. experience a shift in the natural order. experience amazing. say hello to at&t's best, unlimited data deal ever. it's a total game-changer. so now the whole family can binge,..., shop, navigate, listen, game, stream and more. all without the hassle of worrying about overages... ...or running out of data. it's less than $40 per line per month with 4 lines. and remember, it's at&t's best, unlimited data deal ever. so get at&t, get unlimited and get everyone more for less.
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welcome back to the messy truth. i'm van jones. my guest is arnold schwarzenegger. governor, you have been a star republican for a long time. in fact, here you are at the gop convention in 2004. >> when i was a boy, the soviets occupied part of austria. i saw their tanks in the streets. i saw communism with my own eyes. the day the world no longer fears the soviet union. it is because of the united
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states of america. >> that was then. back when republicans were standing up to russian invaders. now you have trump with a bromance with putin. he is repressing his own people. as a republican, how do you make sense of that? you are a freedom love, liberty loving republican. yet you got a republican president who seems to be best buddies with somebody who has invaded -- you know what that's like. >> well, first of all, i know -- because of a bipartisan commission that has just decided that, yes, russia was involved in our elections. so i think this is interesting to know. because again, it goes back to the washington when you talk about the problem parties fighting so much. that some outside force can interfere with our political
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system. it didn't make any sense but now it does make sense because we have seen it unfold in front of our very eyes. if trump has any connections with them or not, that we have not really established yet. i don't know. i have not seen any of the secret papers that maybe point to it. i haven't seen it. therefore, i cannot comment on that. >> mrit uk politically, he does to be as tough. does that worry you? >> to be honest with you, every president has their own straj i strategy. as you remember with nixon and kissing kissinger, they paved the way to not look at china as the enemy but start working together with them. he then flew over to china, visited them. the chinese premiere visited nixon. i think that opened up relationships. i don't -- i don't mind when people reach out. it's the key thing for the united states to go and look at
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the world and say we are trying to have as many friends as possible. maybe through friendship we can tone things down and work together on different issues. you know, i don't know what his plan is. i never talked to trump about it. let's just see what the future holds. >> let me just rewind the clock back. you were a young man. you were in austria, modest background. you looked at american and you said, i think i can go there. they love freedom. they are going to open their arms to me. i can go. i can make a big difference. would a young arnold schwarzenegger looking at america now with so much of the anti-immigrant conversation, even coming from the white house, would a young arnold have come to america? would you come to america today as a young guy? >> absolutely. >> why? >> i tell you, i happen to get around the world a lot. because of promoting movies,
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promoting the arnold classic sports and fitness festival, promoting special olympics. i came from austria celebrating the special olympics, the winter games and being with the athl e athletes because i'm the international coach for them. i'm traveling around giving speeches about environmental issues. i travel around a lot. i have never seen anyone come up to me and say, i cannot wait to move to china. can you help me get a visa to the middle east? i want to go and move to africa or something like that. everyone wants to come to california. this is the place to be. everyone loves this place. even though we criticize america. i remember trump doing the campaign, make america great again. america is great. what are we talking about great again? america is great. [ applause ] it's the greatest country in the world by far. yes, we have problems. it's the greatest country by far. of course, i would have come over here. i remember when i was a kid ten
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years old and a saw a documentary film in school. i saw this huge skyscraper and the airplanes and the freeways. hollywood. what am i doing in austria? what am i doing in this little farm village? i want to be over there. i did everything i could to come to america. there are millions of people out there that feel the same way. this is the land of opportunity. you would never have the opportunities anywhere else like in america. >> tougher question then. your party does not seem to agree with you in the same way. that enthusiasm is not there in the same way. if you had come, young arnold now, would you join this republican party giving how tough they are on immigrants? >> i don't know what my thinking would be if i would be now 21 years old when i came over here. i just tell you that i was absolutely in heaven when i heard nixon talk. it was the campaign between nixon and humphrey. i heard humphrey talk. i'm back in austria.
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then i heard nixon talk. it was refreshing to open up and to have world trade and to be strong military, strong law enforcement. to get government off your back and this dialogue that i have heard was so appealing to me that i said to my friend, i said, what party does he belong to? he says -- my friend was a democrat. he said, disgusting. he said, republican. i said, well then i'm a republican. he was disgusted about it. he was a democrat. i fell in love with the party. when you think of me as a republican, i am a lincoln, t tedte teddy roosevelt, reagan republican. lincoln was wanting to free slaves. the republican party voted -- the democrats were nowhere to be find. but the republicans voted overwhelmingly to get rid of
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slavery, to make them join the united states, to give blacks a vote, to also have voting right. so that was the republican party that i could identify. the same with roosevelt who put more land aside for conservat n conservation, who was a great environmentalist, inspired by john muir. nixon, who was trying to do health care reform, universal health care in 1974. he derailed that because he couldn't handle health care reform. reagan created the resources board as a republican to clean the environment. those are the kind of republicans that i could identify with. >> you named lincoln. you named reagan. are you a trump republican? >> that's why i didn't vote for him. [ applause ] >> we got some young people here. i want to give alec a chance.
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>> in light of some mixed signaling over the last few months with president trump in regards to his allies backing off from some allies and also the return of protectionism, how can the united states maintain its credibility and leadership on the global stage? >> i think that the united states is very much respected internationally. i think the key thing is it's one of those things, it's like gardening. when you do gardening, the only way you have a great garden is if you go and tend the garden every day. pull up the weeds, sprinkle the water every day, put seeds in every day. you attend and you do work on that all the time. that's the way thwith relationships. it's all about relationship building. i think that it's key for us to have a strong direction. let the world know what direction it is, what we stand for. that's the key thing. >> you are famously passionate about after-school programs.
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you have the after-school all star program. one of your youth is here. >> ever since i was in elementary school, i have relied on after-school programs. my parents with are working late. when my father died when i was in third grade, i began living in a single parent home. my mother could no longer afford to care for after school care. a middle school i found after school all star which is free. now i no longer have an after school program. i have to take the bus, the public bus and walk home every day from school. in light of these budget cuts, how can we ensure funding for after-school programs not only in elementary and middle school but in high schools as well? what can everyone do to help? >> first of all, give her a round of applause. [ applause ] we have young people like this all over the country. who are benefitting. thank you for your walk and your commitment. a lot of republicans would say, listen, helping a kid like that,
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that's pork barrel stuff. answering her question, but keep that in mind. a lot of people in your party say that's pork barrel. >> let me just say, i think that it is really wonderful to have you stand up here and ask a question in front of all of these people and millions of people that watch this show. congratulations. give her a big hand for that. [ applause ] you did a great job. it's a very good question because as you know, california is the only one -- the only state that is really way ahead of every other state when it comes to after-school programs. what we did was we passed an initiative in california, proposition 49, the after-school education and safety act, that i partially sponsored and drove until it won. that gave us $550 million of after-school money. so now this is why every elementary school and middle school in california has after-school programs. if we didn't get enough money to
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include high schools. this is where the problem comes in what you are talking about here. i think that we have to go back another time and ask people maybe for another few hundred million dollars a year. we will do that to go back again to the people and to say -- when we tested it when we originally did it, when it went to a billion dollars, people -- whether we kept it below $500 million, it was $428 million and it rose up to around $550 million. we have to get more money. the key thing is to keep the federal money. it's $1.2 billion is extremely important. this is why i promised the kids today that this is not unanswered. we are going to be in washington. >> he will be back. >> he will lobby in washington. we will bring democrats and republicans together because this is not a party issue. this is a people issue. this is the important thing. [ applause ] >> i love your passion.
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stick around. there are very few issues -- you will like this. very few issues so consequential they impact your kids, your grandkids, your health and your pocketbook. donald trump recently took action that jeopardizes all four. in fact, donald trump may have signed the death certificate for planet earth. luckily, we have a super hero here. he will help us save the world, save the thing. he has great ideas for us when we get back. arnold schwarzenegger in the house! the messy truth.
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welcome back to the messy truth. we are here with arnold swa schwarzenegger. he tried to save the world in real life when he was fighting for clean air and clean water and clean energy as california's governor. both parties might want to listen up. we will talk about this. let me get in first, republicans, please, on the issue of the environment, please stop talking about job killing regulations. that's the false choice. without regulations, your kids will be breathing polluted air. they would be drinking poisoned water. your city would be covered in lethal smog, the same way they are in china. america should never, ever have to choose between job killing regulations, so-called, or child killing deregulation. americans are smart enough to know how to grow our businesses and make money and create jobs while restoring the earth and respecting the health of our children. that's for republicans. democrats, you know all this.
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but you always get lost in all this doomsday stuff. give people some hope for once. for example, you got solar panel installers. good people making a good living. we got hundreds of thousands of clean energy jobs in america in solar and wind. we never brag on them. those clean energy solar panels can cut an energy bill from $200 a month to $2 a month. that's good for workers, for homeowners and the earth. both parties have do better. sir, your party, i just don't understand. you talked about teddy roosevelt, the first conservationist was a republican. now you got a head of the epa, doesn't believe in science. you got a former oil executive running the state department. donald trump just rolled back a decade's worth of climate protection. what can you say to republicans who are watching right now to get them back on the good side when it comes to the environment? >> first of all, traditionally, our party was very, very pro
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environment, as you said, not only roosevelt but ronald reagan created the epa and created resources board in california. nixon created the epa in washington. >> what happened? >> and bush negotiated the acid rain deal which was the first kind of cap and trade deal. it was a great, great history. >> what happened? >> the other thing i want to remind you of and the people is, it's not just republicans. it's also democrats. because when you go to those states where they give coal, they have the coal mines. those representatives, snor re and congressmen are fighting for those jobs. they are democrats and they are fighting for the coal jobs. you have both parties. but you are correct that the republican party has now gone
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and decided they're going to go and maybe get campaign contributions from coal industry or campaign contributions from the oil company. that's why they cater to them. there's many reasons why that is. >> what is -- i heard you make incredible arguments. what are the best arguments? >> the best argument is whatever they say -- first of all, if you believe in global warming or not, that is irrelevant. because 7 million people die every year because of pollution. that is much more than die of traffic accidents, homicide, suicide, wars, everything together. to me, that is inexcusable. we have to do something about that. in america alone, 200,000 plus people die every year because of pollution. it is government's responsibility to protect the people. we do all kinds of things to protect the people. helmet laws so you don't hurt
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yourself when you have a motorcycle crash. all these things to protect the people. when it comes to pollution, they're not there to protect the people. both of the parties need to work together. republicans a lot of times say as you remember when we fought proposition 23, republicans say, if you go green, then that means that we lose jobs. the economy will go down. it's all none senz. in california, we have a 4.3% economic growth gdp growth. the nationwide gdp growth is 1.7%. we in california are way ahead economically. we are number one in tourism. we are number one in our industries. we are number one in entertainment. number one in agriculture, in biotech, high tech, in all of those things. everything we are number one. how is it possible when we have the strictest environmental laws in the united states?
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[ applause ] you can do both. protect the environment and protect the economy at the same time. it's that simple. >> you can drop the mike with that one. >> okay. sg >> i want to turn to a more close to home suggest and bring rodrigo into the conversation. you are still in grief. i hope you will raise your question with the governor. >> governor, nice to see you. nice to meet you. >> nice to see you. >> on february 19th, my fiancee and son were driving back from church when they were tragically killed, t-boned by an illegal immigrant. my son was in the vehicle. saw his mom die. from this illegal immigrant who has been deported five times, three duis. nobody reached out to us, not
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chief beck, not the mayor. our president donald trump reached out to me and gave me his condolences. i was fortunate enough to vote for donald trump. my question to you is this. what are we going to do about the problems that we have here in this city that feels so much like a sanctuary city? how are you and donald trump going to come together and fix the issues that we have? you pointed out that about the after-school programs and kids. but i have a 12-year-old son now that only has one parent. i'm a single patierent unfortunately. how are you going to fix that with donald trump? >> first of all, i'm not in office. one thing i can tell you, through our institute we have been working very hard on immigration reform. this needs comprehensive immigration reform.
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the sad story is that democrats and republicans have not been able to come together in decades on this issue. there is a bipartisan plan for democrats and for republicans and they came up with a great immigration plan. it was shot down. now both of the parties can't get anything done. may i remind you not just on immigration, on anything else either. congress can't get anything done. this is why we have a problem with the redistricting. that goes back to the redistricting. if we redraw district lines, but we need comprehensive immigration reform which means we have to secure our borders. we have to go and redo our visa system. we have to make sure that the students can go and stay here after they have studied and gone through university rather than sending them back. if you give them temporary working permit, make it legitimate and secure the border. there's a bunch of issues that need to be addressed.
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they have to get together. it's a complex issue. they have not been able to work together. that's why we have problems like that. this is why i am in a way upset when i know congress has a 15% to 18% approval rating and they get re-elected 98% of themgot relf re-elected. you have to fight the system. >> you raised this issue numerous times. we have somebody here who is an et expert of this and a victim of this thing. nobody talks about this. you know about this, margaret. part of the reason we can't get anything done is because the system has been rigged to make sure only extremists can be elected. margaret, ask your question. >> thank you, van, very much. i appreciate being here. redistricting -- i think you think is -- has changed our process more than anything else in the recent past. republicans came to my state,
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north carolina, and armed with private computers, which had surgically precise software loaded on to them. and they manipulated the district boundaries so that their candidates would win. real people with real issues live in these districts, not only in my state but all over the country. they are entitled to be able to elect candidates of their choice, not candidates selected by partisan political operatives. my question to you, governor, is how do we fix this artificial firewall that has been erected between our elective process and the will of the american people? >> first of all, just i want to say -- my condolences to you. it's horrible the story you told us. sorry about that. to get to your question, the only way we can do ist is what e did in california. as california goes, the rest of the nation goes.
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in california, we have reformed the system. they are an independent panel drawing the lines. since then, things have changed. now the republicans are talking about immigration reform. now the democrats are siding with the chamber of commerce and voting 90% with the chamber of commerce. things have totally changed sense then. this is the kind -- it's not the only way to make changes. but it is a very important step forward. there is 37 states in the united states where they have an initiative process where they can do the same thing we have done in california. there's other states they can do it through the legislatorlegisl. if that doesn't work, go through the judicial way. we have seen that already in the works. the supreme court usually sides with the people. they want the district lines to be drawn by independent -- >> i sure wish you could be on the ballot for the presidency or something else. you hit every issue brilliantly. i want to thank you for being
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here. give him a round of applause. [ applause ] up next, i took a trip to california, a farm in california. i discovered something interesting. the farm owners who voted for trump are praying he won't implement his immigration policies. we are about to get messy when we get back. trump farmers. if immigrants left, what would happen to the crops? >> they would just get rotten. nobody will harvest them. [student] i can just quit school and get a job.
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truth," i'm van jones. now, look, i got a chance to go on a farm, you're going to see crazy video about the farm, but before we get there, i want you to know something. homeland security secretary john kelly says it is unlikely, in his word, that president trump's
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promised wall is going to be built and stretched from sea to shining sea. that's some news today on immigration. been talking about immigration. he also said that the president told him to protect the border in any way that makes sense. secretary kelly went on to praise trump's immigration crackdown, he says that the substantial drop in the apprehensions at the border prove that the crackdown is working so this whole fight around immigration is still going on. your loss, other people's concerns. but i'm trying to get to the root of the root of this thing. so a few days ago, i took a trip to california's central valley and i spent some time with some of the farmers who are there. now, many of those farmers actually supported donald trump, but here's the messy truth, because of president trump everyone his immigration policies, those very same farmers may now lose the workers they rely upon for their livelihood. in order to really understand a
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farmworker from california's central valley, you need to play the part. >> up you you. >> i got out of the bubble and stepped into a tractor so i could spend some time with actual central valley farmers like paul betancourt. >> wouldn't eat it if weren't for you guys. >> one of the things about farm folks, they're proud of what they do. >> deservedly so. hard work and good folks. >> these folks also need help. they need people to work on these farms and there's a lot of work that needs to get done in these fields. a large amount of the nation's food supply comes from right here, and undocumented workers toil in these fields every single day. >> some things still need to be and done. there will always be a need for hand labor. it's unfortunate for whatever reason and i'm not going to pick on people, there's folks who town who think there's easier ways to make a living. >> that's understandable. not everybody wants to be a farm worker. it's backbreaking work for long hours under the hot sun, but
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it's a job that needs to get done and many of the people who do it right now are at risk of being removed from the country under president trump's immigration policies. so why did so many farmers like paul betancourt support trump? >> the alternative was unthinkable. continued pressure from the federal government was squeezing us out. big issue here is water. we got no help from washington on water during the drought. and, you know, the regulatory burden continues to increase so continueuation of what we had was unthinkable. >> i know you supported donald trump. on the one hand, i know he's good for small businesses in some ways, but he also is tough on the immigrant workers. are you kind of caught in the middle here? >> i disagree with him on that. >> farmer, paul wenger, also supports president trump but also said deported farm workers is bad for business. >> we like to say your food that's going to be on your table
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tonight is probably going to be picked by immigrant hands. the real question is, is it going to be picked byism grant hands here in the united states and for us in california or in another country? >> you must work with folks pretty closely who are probably very scared. >> yes and no. i think most folks realize that something's going to have to happen. they're not going to move 12 million to 14 million people out of this country. >> many people if these fields believe they could be kicked out of the country and live in fear they could be deported any day. farm worker rights advocate, he says if you chase away the farm workers, you likely chase away the farm. >> if all these immigrants left, what would happen to those crops? >> they would just get rotten, nobody would harvest them. if he takes away all the documented workers out of the fields, the economy will collapse and it will be a lot of trouble not just for the farmers
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or california but it will be a lot of trouble for all united states. >> when you say trouble, what do you mean? >> yeah, you know, all -- the crops get rotten, they're not going to be delivered to other states, people are not going to have their vegetables, their fruits. all this crops that are fresh on your table, they've been harvested by hand. >> this is messy. the farmers are not in lockstep. you get three farmers together, you get five different opinions and so, you know, i have no problem voting for the president and disagreeing with him on trade and immigration because i think he's wrong on those issues. >> you see, when you get down there in the real world, it gets really, really messy. and so let's keep in mind these conversations got to keep going forward. now, when we come back, i'm going to give you my thoughts on bill o'reilly and president trump. watch out, bill o'reilly, i'm coming for you. ♪
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