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that is the message from the trump administration. after north korea attempted to launch another missile that fizzled out seconds later. this just one day after staging an elaborate military parade in pyongyang. the president's team is now traveling that is internationally in search of a diplomatic solution. vice president mike pence is across the border in seoul. he said the alliance between the u.s. and south korea has never been stronger and u.s. national security adviser h.r. mcmaster is in afghanistan telling media he will be exploring a full range of options. >> what must happen is the denuclearization of the korean peninsula. so the president has asked us to be prepared to give him a full range of options to remove that threat to the american people and to our allies and partners in the region. >> the president is indicating that china is also working with the united states, tweeting this morning, quote, why would i call
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china a currency manipulator when they are working with us on the north korean problem? we will see what happens. cnn international correspondent will ripley is in pyongyang. >> most koreans will never know about sunday's failed missile launch. that missile test fired from the city of sin -- north korea's supreme leader showed force over the weekend at the nation's day of the sun military parade. we saw a variety of new missiles that were on display including what analysts say are two new kinds of potentially ballistic missiles that could carry a nuclear warhead towards the main land united states which we know is the goal of north korea's leader. they want these weapons of mass destruction for self preservation, to protect their national sovereignty.
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u.s. vice president mike pence was in the region. he spoke with u.s. troops for easter sunday service. briefly talking about the north korean situation but not indicating that there will be any kind of specific u.s. response to this failed launch. u.s. officials saying that why would they invest resources talking about a failed launch. however, if there is something more provocative such as a sixth nuclear test which analysts believe could happen anytime in north korea, that may force the united states to take some kind of action. so there still is the potential for this situation to escalate. the question here timing. will north korea try to launch missiles while the u.s. vice president is in the region? will they wait until the 25th of april, a major military anniversary here in north korea? or maybe it will be neither one of those days. that is the thing with north korea when it comes to these kinds of provocative acts. it's not a matter of if but when. will ripley cnn pyongyang, north korea. >> will ripley, thanks. let's go across the border to
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cnn chief political current dana bash is traveling with the vice president in seoul south korea. where was the vice president when he was notified of that failed missile launch? >> he was on his plane, on air force two on his way here to south korea when he got word about north korea's failed missile test. it was actually within an hour of taking off after refuelling in alaska that he was told. his advisers came back and told those of us reporters on his plane that it failed within four or five seconds of the attempt and that's why they made clear that they were not going to make a big deal out of it. their response was going to be to downplay it. that's certainly what we saw from the vice president himself. his first remarks here on the ground in south korea was in and around having easter dinner with u.s. troops. and he talked vague well about what happened. >> this morning's provocation
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from the north is just the latest reminder of the risks each one of you face every day in the defense of the freedom of the people of south korea and the defense of america in this part of the world. >> that's a far cry from the really tough talk we've seen and heard from the president, president trump both in his words before cameras and on twitter over the past week or so being very aggressive vis-a-vis north korea. but the vice president and his aides are making very clear that they don't think that that is appropriate for several reasons. one is they don't want to give the north koreans the satisfaction of reacting or maybe overreacting particularly because this was a failed test and kind of an embarrassment for the north korean regime but also because they understood making their way here for the vice president of the united states to be on the korean peninsula at this tense time. and also a day after north korea's biggest holiday of the
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year where they like to show their military might according to an aide traveling with the vice president, this was not a matter of if, but a matter of when and had there been a nuclear missile test and not something that clearly was not of that ilk, the u.s. reaction and action could be quite different. dana bash, cnn, seoul south korea. >> thanks, dana. while pence is in south korea, the president's top security adviser h.r. mcmaster is in afghanistan. he's discussing ways to move forward with the war on terror. and also weighed in on north korea saying that all options are on the table. in how the u.s. could respond to the rogue nations growing nuclear weapons ambitions. take a listen. >> all options are on the table undergoing refinement and further development. >> how close do you think north korea is to having a nuclear weapon capable of reaching the united states? >> well, you know, estimates in these sorts of things vary
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widely. what is clear is as long as their behavior continues, as long as they continue missile development, even though this was a failed missile, they get better. and they learn lessons. and so what's critical is for them to stop this destabilizing behavior. stop the development of these weapons. and denuclearize. >> cnn correspondent jessica schneider joins us from the southern white house in florida. president trump is breaking his silence on twitter. what does it mean? >> that's right, martin. president trump has been down here in south florida throughout the easter weekend, but for the most part he has stayed fairly quiet, even relaxed. we saw him on the golf course. this morning president trump breaking his silence over twitter. he did tweet about five times,
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espo espousing. tweeting out this about the might of the u.s. military. tweeting this morning our military is building and is rapidly becoming stronger than ever before. frankly, we have no choice. so perhaps a veiled reference to north korea. the real mouth piece of the administration, though, national security adviser h.r. mcmaster, he has spoken out quite extensively this morning talking about the fact that the u.s. and president trump have repeatedly said they will not just stand by while this increasingly hostile regime continues to show its might saying that the u.s. is standing by with its allies saying no options are off the table. but at the same time general mcmaster saying that they do not want to exercise military options. they want to keep armed conflict out of this and saying that they are working through several different scenarios, several different plans, but definitely hoping to keep it peaceful and president trump is talking the same way. >> jessica schneider, thank you
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very much. on the presidential campaign trail, it was candidate donald trump who called china a currency manipulator. but as president he's calling china a friend. now a top democrat is calling trump out. plus was it sabotage? unlike last month's north korea's latest missile launch failed. but was it really a mechanical issue? we'll discuss that as well. ♪ ♪ ♪
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the president last week. schumer responded to trump today saying, quote, you have it backwards. if you are tough on china, on trade, it would help american workers and they'd be more willing to help with north korea. joining me to discuss this back and forth, political analyst ellis and cnn political commentator allis stewart. this seems to be a clear reversal from trump's remarks on the campaign trail. let's just remember. >> we can't continue to allow china to -- what they've done to us is the greatest single theft in the history of the world. the greatest abuser in the history of this country. rampant theft of intellectual property. a currency manipulator. >> the president seems to have tweeted his own answer to this in that he said why should i call them a currency manipulator meaning china if they will or may help us when it comes to
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north korea? so north korea apparently has allowed him the opportunity to shift positions here. >> well, it's funny. you wonder did he believe it the first time? does he believe it this time? a decision like this, are they manipulating kre manipulati manipulating currencies or not. it's just a bunch of confusion. strategic maybe it will help. >> senator mccain weighed in on north korea this morning. in fact, let's hear what he said. >> is the carrot and stick approach with china worth doing? is it -- is using our trade practices or these conversations about currency worth having these debates in order to influence north korea? >> to prevent north korea from having a nuclear missile with a
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nuclear weapon that could strike the united states and we would have to rely on our ability to intercept it and i'm told we do have that ability, but it risky business. this guy in north carry is not rational. has father and his grandfather were much more rational than he is. >> alice, to you, the president has implied if he can't get china or others to help he's willing to go it alone. how dangerous is that? >> that remains to be seen. i think it's important for him to back off in some way his tough talk on the campaign trail about china being a currency manipulator if they're going to work with us. no one is in a better position to put pressure on north korea to halt their weapons program than china. they deal with 80% of their exports, 100% of their energy. north korea relies on china heavily. it's in our best interest to have a better relationship with china and try and work with them to get north korea to stop their
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program. that being said, i think the president was quite clear and has been that, look f china is not going to put pressure and they're not going to step forward and take action, we're prepared to go in alone. and our national security officials made that clear that all options are on the table when it comes to moving forward if necessary. >> the president seems to imply with his tweet this morning that he's willing to give china some time for the moment. ellis, chuck schumer said since trump took office he has been all talk and no action. is he right that trump has it all wrong? what do you snthink? >> a little toughness in action might be nice to catch up with that rhetoric. one of the dangers of the way that you're talk when you're a major world pow are, you shouldn't be bluffing. and when the other side says no, what then do you do?
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are we really prepared to invade north korea? do we really want to put soeoul at risk? i don't think we know the answers to that. >> allice, there's no secret china has a lot of leverage in the united states, both with the country they own the and issue of trade. is it perhaps that the president has become more enlightened as he's been on the job, i cannot just spout off, we need china? >> i think he's realizing that governing is much different than campaigning and he's realizing that on a lot of fronts. we saw that with regard to nato and russia and also with china. and i think it's important for him to make these changes and course corrections if you will on a lot of these issues. and i think having a good relationship is china is important, but also stressing that we are, you know, not afraid to go it alone. to ellis's point about bluffing,
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look, i think president barack obama and his red line was a terrible bluff. america was not willing to make good on its threats. clearly with the recent actions of this administration, with the action that we took with regard to syria, it goes to show, look, if you're going to continue to kill innocent people and kill innocent civilians, then america is willing to step up and take action and be strong and be a leader with regard to our foreign policy. these are important course corrections with president trump and i think it just goes to make america even stronger in the eyes of the world. >> ellis, real quick in the seconds we have left, we struck again syria and, yes, we dropped a huge bomb in afghanistan. neither one of those countries is in north korea. can you really equate that as a policy? >> in this way, martin. in all three cases we don't really know what the overriding policy is. we know that there was a missile strike. we know that there was a mother of all bombs dropped. we know that there's a bunch of talk in this case of korea.
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but how far are we prepared to go? i think we're still waiting for the trump doctrine on that i guess is a good way to sum it up. >> we will continue to watch. thank you both for joining us. happy easter. >> happy easter, martin. >> ahead, did north korea's failed missile launch release some tension and should we buy north korea's display of never before seen missiles? we'll discuss it all. from scrat. and sprinkles on brown sugar streusel. so that you can spend more time making special moments with your family. marie callender's it's time to savor you didn't know we had over 26,000
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seoul, south korea. what's the reaction there to this failed missile launch? >> reporter: well, martin tlr, there's been some condemnation. in the u.s. the statement seem to be fairly short at this point with very little comment. the south koreans are still sticking to the same line saying they condemn the missile launch. and the foreign ministry saying it is in violation of resolutions which they have been all along. there has been annoyance in south korea. this is a tried and tested road, though. there have been so many missile launches. in fact, almost three dozen since the beginning of last year from north korea that there's very little more that the south koreans can do at this point than condemn the launches that they see. there's certainly a feeling here in south korea as well that even
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if it is a failure that in the long term that doesn't really matter because there's an assumption that north korean leader kim jong-un will keep going until he manages to get a successful test. and there's many analysts and officials will always tell you, there is something to be learned out of failures as well. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. so let's move on now and talk with our panel about all of this. joining me is rebaecca grant, ad david, a research associate. david, i understand you've conducted extensive research on north korea's missile and nuclear program, so let me start by first getting your reaction to this failed missile launch. which would you say is more significant? the fact that it failed or that they would attempt to do it at a time when tensions are so high and the vice president is on the way? >> well, rocket science and
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missile launches in north korea are used for multiple purposes in north korea. sometimes they're used as a sign of defiance if something is happening in the region or the u.s. said something and they want to respond, they may conduct a missile launch in retaliation to certain actions taken by the united states. but because they are very interested in developing their ballistic missile technology, they will of course test missiles through the process of developing new missile systems, many of them will fail. it's expected in the process of developing a better ballistic missile. >> and as we've said, you learn as much from failure, as from success, maybe even more. this failure does come after north korea showed off its military might with that parade yesterday. what are your thoughts on the missiles that you saw at that parade? some have made a lot about them. what do you think? >> it was quite a variety of missiles and the big questions are how close are they on an
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intercontinental missile and are they making progress on a submarine launch ballistic missile? we know they put crude objects into orbit so they have some capability. my experience says they're not quite there yet on either one. they're learning from their launches. our analysts are learning from their launches too. but here's the new thing. these launches are starting to count against them in the international sphere. these launches are driving the u.s. and china to work more closely together to tamp this down. they kaecan't just continue thi program without big political consequences. >> you saw the missiles as well. i believe you called one of the icbms a franken missile. explain what you meant by that and why were you surprised by what they saw? >> north korea's ballistic missile program was founded on
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the simple scud missile which they a squired from egypt which egypt had acquired from the soviet union. s so the origins is russian. so the new technology that we've seen breaks away from the initial scud missile also goes back to other russian systems including one called the r 27. i was rather surprised. traditionally in past military, we see the scud variance, which are viewed as being the backbone of the north korean ballistic missile fleet. this year what we saw were the solid fuel sobm and land bearing which is the ks 15 which we saw tested i think earlier this year. we saw the franken missile. we saw a new missile on a transporter launcher, a vehicle which carries the missile.
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>> it makes it hard to track and can be launched quickly and has a solid rocket motor, right? >> the one that we saw. we're not sure about the fuel type yet. the missile that was previously associated with that truck is a lick liquid failures, however this new one has the front of one of their icbm configurations that we've seen and the back is completely new. so i have no idea what to make of that one yet. >> david, let me stop tlu befyo before we get too deep in the weed with designs. they said north korea's missile program is advancing quickly. >> we shouldn't take too much comfort because even in failure this program continues to advance and they will be closely in the not too distant future in a position where they could hit all 50 states in the united states with an icbm.
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so i do say don't take too much comfort in this, but it is a good development that it failed. >> rebecca, he thinks that north korea could some day soon have the ability to hit the u.s. with a nuclear missiles. does that comment surprise you or does that seem to be in line with what we know of what this nation wants? >> that's in line. one of our admirals said it's safe to assume that they're getting close to this capability. one, we have good missile defenses, ground base intercept ors in alaska. a lot of sea based missile defenses in the region and of course the thad which is going into south korea. secondly, i think it's kim jong-un who should be worried. our military and our alliance can do things to his target set that he's never even thought of. and china, north korea is supposed to be their buffer
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state. they're getting very u uncomfortable. we're also using our military forces in the region to keep the pressure on and change this very dangerous game. >> no question the stakes are incredibly high. rebecca and david, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you. ahead buses and cars scorched after a bombing. who's behind the attack is unclear, but we do know that nearly 70 children were killed. we'll have a live report. how about adding a third? we think there's a bajillion ways to measure success. and whether you have hundreds or millions... we think you deserve the financial freedom to sleep like this at night. this is the new success story. and at t-i-a-a, we're with you. start today at t-i-a-a dot org. today, it's the dawn of a new lawn.
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center reportedly showing the minute that bomb exploded. and we must warn you it is graphic. in addition to the deaths, at least 55 others were injured. let's bring in now nick payto payton-walsh. what are the latest developments in what appears to be an attack on si vecivilians. >> one of the most chilling numbers, 126 dead, over 60 of them are thought to have been children. some of them torn apart in their seats as those coaches left the two towns. now in short, they are full of regime sympathizers, those who go alongside with the syrian government of damascus. they were under siege by rebel forces. a kind of swap was under way so
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those held in rebel sympathizing towns surrounded by regime forces could be released in exchange for those getting out as well. amid that exchange is when this convoy of buses from those two regime sympathizing towns were attacked by a car bomb and this very rare in the one instant you hear numbers as high as 126, but especially rare for regime sympathizers to be targeted this way. we understand that tit for tat evacuation and swap of populations is more or less under way b y, but it certainly brought chills in this process. the cease-fire was declared and let these populations out. >> like the chemical attack, it has people again wondering what can be done possibly to stop is. there is anything realistically president trump or the u.s. could do?
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>> not when it comes to slowing this kind of tit for tat savagery. not unless the united states wants to involve itself. there is a possibility maybe they could arm more intense civilly mod ran syrian rebels, but all you're really doing is boosting again another side in this conflict with another fresh set of resources. serious curse has been most wars normally end when one side gets exhausted. both sides in this seem to get extra help from fresh actors each time they look like they're beginning to tire. from proponents saying it can't be allowed as the butcher as donald trump described him to be. for him being the military front it does slow the member of military deaths you might argue and maybe brings the war closer to some sort of slow down or end. the president trump policy options are few and for between, frankly, when it comes to intervening in syria unless you
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want to wholesale kind of own that to some degree and assad is being part of the new white house's policy. >> nick payton-walsh, thank you very much. ahead we will talk with one man who was a trump surrogate. what he has to say about the president's foreign policy moves. plus from town halls to special elections, democrats feeling energized and in georgia there is a chance that a democrat could turn a historically red seat blue. we'll talk with one of the republican candidates ahead. anw i'm making it. as a micro-biologist i ensure that dog chow leads with high quality ingredients. ♪ ♪
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pence arrives in south korea. the first stop on his four-nation tour in asia. meantime president trump has threatened to deal with north korea with or without china's help. all of this comes on the heels of the u.s. bombing of isis fighter in afghanistan using the most powerful nonnuclear bomb in the american arsenal. and then there was a series of missile strikes on a syrian air base. that was in retaliation for a gas attack on civilians. let's talk about all of this. for that we're going to talk to bruce labelle as the director of the national coalition. he is also running we should point out for the open congressional saet in georgia right by where i live. so welcome, happy easter to you. >> thanks for having me. hope you vote for me. happy easter to everyone out there. >> so the president's been under fire from congress for not seeking approval for his military actions. do you think he should have gone
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to congress first? >> well, unfortunately, it's like the president said from day one during the campaign, keeping his promises, putting america first, wanting to make sure that we are safe. martin, we've had a premd amount -- tremendous amount of tax in the last eight years and it's a dangerous time right now. and the president has said and is committed to defend the united states by any means necessary. >> but if you were in congress, if you win this seat, would you have wanted him to come to you and said hey -- >> it's interesting because i trust the president. i know him. he's a good man. i trust his leadership, his decision and general mattis and his national security team. at some point the american people have to realize, martin, that he is the command ner in chief and that if he gets intel like a lot of the citizens are not privileged to, we have to trust the fact that our leaders have the best interest of
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protecting the united states first by any means necessary. so i'm very confident in his leaders, especially in general mattis and his national security team. >> what about if the president says, and he has said this, when it comes no north korea, if we can't get china to do something, we will do it. he's implying we'll just act on our own s. th. is that wise? >> i disagree. he had a great meeting with the president of china at mar-a-lago. the chinese government realizes the imminent danger across the country as well as just south korea et cetera in the region. but one thing about the neighboring country like china, for example, martin, if there is no peace, there is no economic growth. there's no movement in commerce across the nation. so in terms of keeping the country and keeping our neighboring allies safe, there has to be, and there will be a lot of our countries that are
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friendly to us that want to have great input in terms of making sure that north korea doesn't pose a threat to the region. so i think respectfully the president is working with everyone. i don't believe that he's not working with the chinese government. but i think he's going to have -- bill more and more confidence as he grows into his 100 plus days of the presidency. he's going to gain a lot of momentum in his leadership. >> you know the president. clearly up with him just this past week. when he deals with foreign issues now, it seems like he was always talking about america first. but now he has gone on to these very, well, in the case of syria, he's actually launched a military attack. do you see that as getting away from what he originally said or do you see it part of his message during the campaign? >> well, it gets back to what i said earlier. it's like the information that he gets is -- that could pose an imminent danger to the united states that we don't hear, he has to act on that.
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and like i said before, we've been getting hit several times, over eight times in this nation as well as overseas, so the information that he gets is -- he uses the best judgment that he has to his ability to protect the united states by any means necessary. >> let's talk about this race that's coming up here in georgia. the sixth district. it's really being looked upon by many as a national early referendum on the trump administration. you have a young democrat who's come forward. seems to be doing very well. joh and a number of republicans of which you are one. is this a vote where you think people are starting to weigh in? >> i disagree and here's the reason why. it is so unfortunate, martin, that you have a young man that doesn't live in the district, 30 years old. >> this is the democrat. >> right. probably couldn't name one shop owner in the district to accept $8 million in a district where he doesn't live, has no idea
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what's going on, but most of all, martin, i was a candidate forum. i said they don't care about you, you realize that? but don't worry because there are other republicans who are on the take just like you. all this is -- what's happening right now, this is why president trump was so strong about disavowing pacts and pushing back from special interests. the republicans and democrats have been guilty on both sides of the aisle. this is what created this mess. that's why all during my campaign, i have disavowed pacts, i will not accept any lobby money because it's dangerous to the american people. this young man doesn't realize that he's actually bought and paid for too. just like some of our republicans. >> but there are so many republicans. that may be one of the problems for the republicans in the race. there are 11 of them. >> but there's only one bruce lavelle who will not take the money. there are republicans who are bought and paid for and democrats that are bought and paid for.
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>> do you go there to be a to run to support the president's initiatives and his agendas, especially the trillion dollar infrastructure. you've seen what happened with i-85. i am the only candidate talking about transportation. for someone as myself to have that relationship to help the sixth district, that's why i got in the race, because the president's serious about the trillion dollar infrastructure. you know as well as i do, georgia, metro atlanta, has the traffic corridor in the nation. so you need a guy like me that can say, you know what? let's fight for tax dollars to come back and eliminate some of this traffic that we got. >> we have to leave it there. happy easter to you. we'll be back right after this break. . bloom. seriously? book now at choicehotels.com
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this will shock you just how much of an impact being lonely can impact your health. what they've found now in a few studies is it is on par to being a smoker. increasing your risk for real diseases like heart disease and diabetes. we think about loneliness in this abstract sense, but the health effects are very objective and very real. as a neuro scientist, i was so interested in this idea that we know where pain resides in the brain. what we now know is that people who are chronically lonely have higher activity in that pain part of the brain. even though it is loneliness it can register as physical pain.
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having friends really does seem to keep people healthy. simple act of being social, we find people's immune system actually perform better. actually saying hello makes the person who gets that greeting live longer. the evidence is pretty clear on this. we're starting to get baltimore and more evidence that you yourself by saying hello, it is so empowering that could actually do wonders for your health as well. just a few hours ago, president trump went on an all-out twitter rant. in one tweet he questioned why some people are still interested in his tax returns. he said, "i did what was an almost impossible thing to do for a republican -- easily won the electoral college. now tax returns are brought up again?" then this comes in response to a day of marches across the country with protesters calling on the president to release his tax returns. in january, an overwhelming 74% of americans thought that trump should release his taxes. and it's not just democrats
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advocating his returns. the majority of republicans believe he should release them as well. again, this is from polling that came from are january. in contrast to the peaceful tax marches, a rally in berkeley, california got violent. 21 people were arrested and hundreds of police were called to the scene when fistfights brought out between trump supporters and protesters. cnn's sara ganim has details. >> reporter: protesters clash in berkeley, california as antitrust protesters showed up for a scheduled pro trump patriot day rally. fireworks, bottles, even traffic cones were thrown as the two sides clashed quickly turning violent. >> fashicist. py ain't no racist. i ain't no fascist. i think everyone here should have a speech. >> that man later walked away bloody. >> yeah, a rock hit me if the face. it's cool. that's what we came for.
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>> 20 were arrested, seven taken to the hospital. >> they're crazy but i was hoping in some way we could stop them from doing what they did. but they do anyway. >> many of the protesters covered their faces it dressed all in black, a mesh barrier meant to separate the two sides quickly fell down. protesters began pushing, shoving, and hitting people on the opposite side. >> these guys are cowards. this is all they do. they hide with their masks. they sucker punched me, they hit me in the back of the head. >> reporter: police say they confiscated flag poles, a knife, a stun gun, and eventually used pepper spray to get the crowd under control. this is not the first time berkeley has seen a protest turn violent this year. in february, protesters caused more than $100,000 in damage after a night of violent protests against the appearance of right wing er milo
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yianopolis. in fact, this has become a popular place for those two sides to meet and clash, and oftentimes those clashes have become violent. >> i know you've interviewed a people who's been at a few of these violent events. is it just becoming a grudge match now? >> well, there are groups that tend to attend these events. now not everyone who goes becomes violent. but just to give you a peek inside some of the mindsets, one of the people who i interviewed, nathan, his group has been classified a hate group by the southern poverty law center. i interviewed him about that earlier this year. and there was a video posted online of his role in this yesterday. and it's pretty graphic, martin. i want to show it to you. in it you can see nathan dimicco, he actually punches a woman in the face. i'm hoping we can show you that video. here you go. i mean this is the kind of behavior that has been shown in the video that's come out of
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this event yesterday. and this is violence that can be attributed to both sides. nathan dimicco is a self-proclaimed what you would call nationalist, white nationalist. he believes in a lot of the same idealing as the fascist movement. and you see the violence coming from that side, and also from the antifascist movement, the far left where you can see them dressed in head to toe black to protect themselves but also protect themselves from being identified knowing that they're going into these events to become violent. >> they're going for war, and that seems to be the primary focus. thank you for that. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts now. hello, i'm martin savidge. fredricka whitfield is off. you're watching "cnn newsroom." members of the trump administration are traveling internationally this easter in search of
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