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as chris cristie on the list of people who warned donald trump about michael flynn. >> a possible major shift in strategy in afghan p stan. thousands of new troops headed to the war zone. the president holds a crucial meeting in just minutes. and then -- >> and i would like to apologize for saying that children in america should have health care. it was insensitive. it was offensive and i hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. >> late night comic on health care, one week after he tearfully revealed his son's medical crisis. >> good morning, everyone. >> this white house is facing new fall out and major questioning about the handling of michael flynn and the potential security risk he posed. >> no question more important than this, why did the administration wait 18 days to fire him. i'm bad at math and even i know
that's two and a half weeks after the attorney general warned he was vulnerable to blackmail from the russians. >> we felt it was critical that we get this information to the white house, in part because the vice president was unknowingly making false statements to the public and we believed that general flynn was compromised with respect to the russians. >> we might never have known but for a washington post report. >> yeah. that 18-day gap is a question the white house is dill deflecting on all this. and president trump launched into a tweet storm in the hours after sally yates gave her testimony. the president said yates unveiled old news and there was no new evidence. but here is what former acting attorney general sally yates did reveal. she said she spoke with white house council on three separate occasions. the important information she felt compelled to share, the then national security advisor
michael flynn lied to vice president pence about his communications with the russian ambassador. sally yates talked about why she believed it was urgent to tell the white house that michael flynn had been misleading. >> we were concerned that the american people had been misled about the underlying conduct and what general flynn had done. the russians also knew about what general flynn had done. and the russians also knew that general flynn had misled the vice president and others. not only do we believe that the russians knew this, but they likely had proof of this information. and that created a compromise situation, a situation where the national security advisor essentially could be blackmailed by the russians. >> and salary yates said the white house also requested information from the justice department, but she is unaware if they received it or reviewed it after she refused to defend
the president's travel ban executive order. if he did relay that information, when exactly he did relay that information. >> still a lot of questions. >> 18 days. and in that time period, the president, you know, the call with putin and flynn was on. i mean, there is a lot that happened. >> there is a lot happening in that time before michael flynn is forced to resign. >> thank you, jessica. appreciate the reporting. this morning a federal appeals court in the latest hearing on president trump's travel ban. whether it is constitutional and how much weight should be given to candidate trump referring to it as a muslim ban. in washington with more. it is really interesting when you listen to the audio because that's what we have of these justices. some of them saying the president, his staff called it a muslim ban and others are saying how far back are you going to look at the president's
comments? >> reporter: precisely. they spent two hours grilling the parties, between adopting a rule that will protect constitutional rights on the one hand, while also deferring to the president's national security interest on the other. now, no indication yet on when exactly the judges might rule in this case, but some members of the court scheme skeptical that the revision the trump administration made matter for purposes of examining the first one. >> shortly after the executive two, sean spicer said the principals remain the same. >> this is not a muslim ban. the text doesn't have anything to do with religion. >> now, the judges seem to acknowledge that the text of the executive order doesn't mention religion at all. but judge king emphasized that trump never repudiated his
earlier call for a muslim ban, pointing mostly to a statement on preventing muslim immigration on trump's campaign website. except, it isn't up there anymore. just yesterday at the same time as this appeals court hearing was happening, the trump campaign promptly deleted that press release from the website after sean spicer was asked about it at the press briefing, but something tells me this isn't the last we heard and the tiling of the delusion will come up at next week's appellate argument in the ninth circuit. >> that's extraordinary. people noted it is still up on that website. to have it only come down yesterday, i was surprised. joining us now to talk, the national security analyst and the attorney and former counselor toer eric holder.
amy, it was highly anticipated. but as we sit here this morning, what do we know now that we didn't know yesterday? >> well, we had some press reports about this, of course. but sally yates had the opportunity yesterday to tell us what she told don mcgann in the early days of the administration. so she had the opportunity to explain why she was so concerned about national security that she thought it was important to go over to the white house and report on what she knew about michael flynn. >> it is fascinating listening to her testimony talking about the details we're hearing for the first time about the urgency with which she went to the white house, the subsequent meetings on the 26th and 27th of january after that phone call. so three conversations with don mcgann at the white house about all of this. but 18 days after, after these calls and frankly as the senator
points out, after the washington post made all of this public knowledge questioning whether or not flynn would have been fired if that washington post story did not come out, why do these 18 days matter? are they particularly dangerous? >> it is a transition time. so the new administration is setting policy, meeting with new leaders and there is mike flynn in the room after the administration has been told that he's potentially compromised. so the big question coming out of that hearing, there is a number of questions, but for me is the question of the white house council, don mcgann. what did he do in that period of time? who did he tell? did he talk to mike flynn and question whether mike flynn should be in the meeting? did he ignore it or did he directly tell trump that the acting attorney general said their national security advisor could be compromised? this was very damming testimony
across the board, but it was also about don mcgann, and i think we are going to hear much about him in the weeks to come. >> it is a great point. what happened in the 18 days? was the president considering it or was it only the washington post story which ultimately pushed him over the edge. amy, it is remarkable. you have worked in the justice department and the details of these meetings, one of the things that strikes me is you have the white house council hearing about the national security advisor. how extraordinary is this? >> it is pretty extraordinary, i agree. sally yates was very conscious about the extraordinary incident where she was not going to be much longer in the department, even if she had been there until attorney general sessions was confirmed. so she took the step of taking a career national security official with her so there would
be continuity with the white house. >> let's just remember, sally yates earlier in her career was equally criticized by democrats. this is someone who has been criticized now on both sides for being a partisan. juliet, you wrote a fascinating op ed about the big take aways from the hearing yesterday about what former dni james clapper said. here is how the president sees it. he tweeted director clapper reiterated what everybody including the fake media already knows. there is no evidence of collusion with russia and trump. that's not exactly what we heard from clapper, is it? >> it is so inaccurate. it is like watching, you know, 180 degree mirror about what's going on. this is exactly what jim clapper said and it was sleeper testimony. clapper for some time has been invoked by trump and his surrogates to say, well, jim clapper said that he never saw evidence of collusion. therefore, no collusion. what was amazing about the
testimony yesterday is clapper sat there and said, look, you can no longer use me as a value d -- value day tor because i didn't know comey had an investigation going on about this. he was willing to say, i was out of the loop. so taking away from the white house significant talking point. meanwhile trump comes back and sort of ignores that testimony. but no one should believe that clapper said there is no collusion. he didn't say there was collusion. but he said i can't speak to that anymore. the fbi has that. >> there is an admission that the former dni said i didn't know there was an investigation. thank you very much. we appreciate it. a lot of ahead this morning, including jimmy kimmel blasting critics after his emotional plea on health care.
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the health care debate bursting into late night question. jimmy kimmel following up with a senator that said whatever health care bill they come up with has to pass the jimmy kimmel test. listen. >> i would say one week ago tonight i made an emotional speech that was seen by millions and as a result of my powerful words, republicans had second thoughts about repeal and replace. i saved health insurance in the united states of america.
thank you. [ applause ] >> i didn't save it? they voted against it anyway? i need to pay more attention to the news. now hopefully some kind of common sense will prevail. one senator came up with a barometer for the new health care bill i happen to like a lot. >> if you support a bill that allows insurance companies to cap their pay-outs to customers? >> as you present that, i ask, does it pass the jimmy kimmel test? was the child born with a congenital heart disease be able to get everything they need in that first year of life. i want it to pass the jimmy kimmel test. >> i would like to make a suggestion. i'll keep it simple. the jimmy kimmel test i think should be no family should be denied medical care, emergency or otherwise, because they can't afford it.
can that be the jimmy kimmel test? i might be oversimplifying it. >> you're on the right track. and if that's the closest we could get, that works great in government. we've got to be age to pay for it and that's the challenge. all those middle class families paying 30 to $40,000 year for their coverage. >> don't give a huge tax cut to million yaires like me. that's my vote. >> have the american people go to their senators and voice that concept. >> let's bring in our panel. washington bureau chief for the chicago sun times and april ryan. let me begin with you, david.
i mean, you have health care that is now so much a part of popular culture in terms of the consumption of media, right? this has made its way to late night in a very, very big day. not once, not twice, multiple times. how does that change things? what's different this time? because i don't remember that being the case with obamacare and why does it matter what actually happens with this legislation? >> i think it matters because as we go forward with the legislative fight over this bill and if the bill passes the senate and becomes law down the road, people will remember these moments as sort of markers in time about what the stakes in the debate for about. if republicans get a bill passed they're all on board with, whether or not the democrats have anything to do with it, the american people will eventually judge whether they think that bill is working for them. that's separate from the poll tinges of what is going to win in 2018 or 2020. at some point people will say, oh, yeah, i remember we talked
about this on jimmy kimmel. i remember that people criticized jimmy kimmel for saying look i want kids to have the same medical care as my kid and they will look around and decide that is what their government came up with. i think jimmy kimmel was right to deal with this with humor this time because it is a situation where he spoke about a personal situation and extrapolated that out to the debate going on in realtime. he got a lot of criticism. but it is not a situation where he got out there and dead panned it and said i hope my congressman makes sure people get an extra subsidy. he just said he wants people to get health care. the idea that was controversial was overwhelming. >> it was a pretty straightforward news interview he did. to that point, april, bill cassidy, collins, they are
working to crack that bill. i'm wondering if there is pearl in that because bill cassidy has become this national figure with his jimmy kimmel test and if those 13 senators don't come up with something that meets that standard, this bill could be in jeopardy. >> there is a concern about the look of that group that's crafting the senate bill. but here is the real issue. when this bill does come out, this newly crafted bill, you will have cassidy and collins and others who will chime in and people will listen to it. they are still chiming in. as these things leak out, what they want to put in, how they want to take it out, you will have people giving input and they will be listening clearly. we're seeing right now how people in the streets are reacting to this house bill and they are actually listening. so this is -- this is not just a crafting but it is a listening session as well because people
are rising up. they want to make sure again, like we said last week, insurance is assurance and i talked to some doctors as well. they are concerned about how children are affected with this trump care, how trump care would affect children, particularly when it comes to medicaid and also issues of, what is it, preventative medicine down the road. so there are a lot of issues. jimmy kimmel set the new bar for us after this house bill because of real life and people are listening to real people as well as those like jimmy kimmel. >> you bring up medicaid. you've got 20 republicans in the senate from states that have expanded medicaid under obamacare, including rob, who is on that group. let's pull up that working group again. that is 13 white men. we do have some more moderates on there. but aside from this being out of the 1920s play book, why does that actually matter in terms of
policy to not have more diversity on the folks that are meeting twice a week to find something that's going to make it to the senate? >> right. the optics are bad politics. but now let's get to the policy. the policy is there are a lot of preventative medicine provisions built into the current health care laws that are at risk in trump care versusobamacare and not letting women being charged more. i don't think you have to be a woman to know there is an inequality there. but it would be, you know, there is something to be said for having diversive voices. but the policy that comes out of this white male working group is probably going to be influenced by women if they were on the panel because there are other things they will think of. a quick other point. one of the most complex parts of
our life is knowing about your own health care policy. that's why when it's broken down into bite size chunks, as jimmy kimmel did, just talking about the caps, you can yield an effective measure because caps on insurance is a lot of something that we don't think that until we need it. this could be changed for people under trumpcare, opposed to obamacare without having a lot of extra messaging, people get it. >> guy, a brief detour and go back to michael flynn. you know, we knew sort of that chris cristie and michael flynn had their issues. this morning we heart it outloud from chris cristie. listen to his interview with george stef nop lis this morning on general flynn. >> i actually did warn the president about the national security advisor. >> my advice to the president is my advice to the president and i
don't talk about that publically. suffice to say that general flynn and i didn't necessarily see eye to eye on certain things. >> that may be the understatement of the century. there aren't a lot of people lining up as general michael flynn fans right now. >> of course they're not lining up now because more is being exposed. you know, and you have to think about this. this is a real issue. this is -- and people are talking about, other, when is this going to stop? we haven't seen collusion as of yet. but the issue is and it goes back to the point that the 20 -- the 2016 elections had tampering from russia. we found out about it in october and it was diminished. the day we found out about it was the day we found out about the billy bush tape. to the issue of the russia
connection is diminished. but tissue is still here: and the fact that michael flynn wanted to change the sanctions for russia because president obama said that russia was working on our elections trying to change the shape of our elections, for him to go and want to change the sanctions and talking to a russian ambassador about this, that's saying something. and this goes beyond just 2016. it goes to 2018 elections and 2020. michael flynn is the hot potato no one wants to touch right now because there is still tentacles to be uncovered. >> it is interesting to see how he will be treated during the investigations. guys, we have breaking news this morning about james comey, the fbi director and a matter of accuracy or lack thereof. when i was under oath last week, he overstated the number of e-mails that hillary clinton's aid forwarded to her husband. >> it appears in a significant
and meaningful way. we are following this live from washington. he talked about under oath in that testimony thousands of e-mails. is that the case? >> not quite. the way it occurred is that apparently. she was backing up te mails on her phone to the lap ton that anthony weiner owned. that's how those thousands of e-mails ended up on the laptop. the wacoy comey put it was she s forwarding thousands of e-mails found on this laptop. and in the end when he used the word towaforwarded, it left the impression she was doing it intentionally. it was an automatic back-up system sending the e-mails to the laptop. he described how he was doing that, so she could print that
out at a later time, which is also inaccurate. we are told they are discussing ways to send letters to congress to clarify the matter. this became a political issue last week with some parts of the media calling for charges to be brought. that is not going to be the case. >> there is some record in history of the fbi director writing a letter to enhance or to further explain some of his testimony. >> it has happened. >> it has happened. i'm just saying. >> right. >> it does. every once in a while makes news. still to come for us, could be a major shift in u.s. policy. will more u.s. troops will headed to afghanistan? the president and his inner circle meet shortly to talk about revised strategy. >> moments away from the opening bell on wall street. we bring in christine roman. what are we looking at? >> 90 seconds to the opening
bell. you can say that the investor class is fat and happy right now. you've got volatility at the lowest in 25 years. in general, vvs tors think they will get a big payday with tax reform. they think it really is coming. earnings are good. the investor class is doing well under the presidency that was championing the little guy. so investors doing very, very well here. i want to remark about the cash stockpile. apple yesterday valued the company $800 billion for the first time in history. it has a quarter of a trillion sitting in cash, almost all of it overseas. altogether those half a trillion dollars, big dollars there if there is tax reform or some great 8% or 10% tax on profit that comes back here, that would be very, very good for those companies. and my big question and i'm on the record on this, tax reform,
will it create jobs? we have to make sure that money when it comes home goes to work hiring for people. >> fat and happy. christine romans. thanks so much for being with us. ahead for us, again, a major shift in u.s. policy in afghanist afghanistan. we'll be right back. >> before the bell is brought to you by e-trade. start trading today at e-trade.com and go to cnnmoney.com/beyondthebell to sign up for the daily news better. pth analysis, level 2 data, etter. letter. and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it. ♪ ♪ it's like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it's your trade. ♪ ♪ e*trade. ♪ ♪ start trading today at etrade.com
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as poppy said, mike rogers expected to talk about u.s. cyber command, though he has been at the center of so many stories breaking in the last month or so, including russia's interference in the u.s. election. let's bring in ryan to get some preview of what we might hear. ryan. >> yeah. this is a hearing by the u.s. senate armed services committee. john mccain is the chair of this committee. and the topic is u.s. cyber command. when you look at the make-up of this committee, you have a number of democrats who may be running for president in 2020. you have the elizabeth warren and tim kaine of virginia. it seems when democrats have an opportunity to ask questions about russia, they usually take advantage of that opportunity. and it wouldn't be that big of a lane for them to go there today when talking about u.s. cyber command because, of course, russia is accused of interfering
in the election. and considered to be someone who is a straight shooter. he has answered questions very honestly in these open hearings before. he is limited by what he could say, depending on whether or not that information is classified. but certainly this is a hearing worth keeping an eye on here this morning on capitol hill. >> no question about it. thank you so much. also happening right now overseas. the secretary of defense holding a meeting in denmark. >> the white house looks just like copenhagen. >> some days it does. mattis is making a stop there to really reassure u.s. allies. >> while the defense secretary at the white house, the president is getting ready to review u.s. strategy in afghanistan, where the u.s. has been fighting its longest war ever. the president is expected to
weigh sending more troops, maybe as many as 5,000 more. he will be meeting with mcmaster very shortly. barbara, how many troops for how long and to do what? >> all very good questions. no answers just yet. let's remember, this is a president who campaigned not necessarily on sending a lot more troops overseas, but it looks like the pentagon sending these options to the white house wants up to 5,0 0 troops. there is about 8,400 there right now. so the question is how robust? is this going to beef up the operations to fight against the taliban, which are resurgent in the east and in the south. is this going to be enough to drive the taliban to the negotiating table, or is this what we have seen in the past? more troops, more fighting, more risk for those troops. it is going to be a very tall order to be able to say any time
soon that the u.s. has won against the taliban, even if that's the outcome the president wants. >> colonel francona, they are talking about 1,500 and 5,000 troops. what would the troops do and accomplish? is it enough? >> that's a good question. but if you look at the numbers in there now, this is a major increase, if you look at the percent of troop increased. i think it is important we realize this is an indication what we're doing right now is not sufficient. we're seeing a deterioration in the afghan capabilities despite all the money and training we put into this. at one point you have to say we have to stop withdrawing our troops and beef it up again. will that solve the problem? what is the goal? we need to bring them to the negotiating table. that's what the goal of this is. is it enough? i don't know. but the afghans are solidly
behind this, which is a little different than we've seen in the past. >> there is a political angle to this as well. does this run counter to the president's america first promise during the campaign, to be more careful sending u.s. troops all over the world right now. are there divisions inside the white house about whether to get more involved in afghanistan? >> well, i think there are divisions it's fair to say, about the very point you raised. what is military national security policy under this white house, under agageneral mcmaste the head of security council. all indications are his own military track record, he would favor more troops and would favor a counter insurgency campaign where you have u.s. troops taking the leading role and trying to rush back the taliban or isis where you find them. there are others, perhaps led by steve bannon in the white house, who are very much of the america first goal. but broadly speaking, the pentagon has tried to press the
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we are getting our first look at mayhem. passengers in open revolt in the airport in fort lauderdale. watch. >> that really happened. that really happened. this is after spirit airlines canceled nine flights. three people were arrested, according to the sheriff's office. our aviation correspondent has it all figured out, right? what happened? >> well, it is going to be hard to believe that the airline is actually blaming its pilot for
that melee you saw that. 300 spirit airline flights have been canceled over the last seven days and it has left thousands of angry passengers stranded and i think people had enough by monday night and that's what you saw happening there in that video. the airline says its own pilots are to blame and now spirit airline is suing the pie lats union in federal court. the airline says what their pilots are doing is turning down what they call open time flights, which is last-minute flight assignments. the pilots are saying no thank you and they are saying the union is orchestrating this slow down and because they can't get pilots to fill those flights, they are saying that's led to the cancellations. however, the union is denying that. the union says they are in no way telling their pilots they should do this slow down. the back story here is that both the airline and the pilots are
in negotiations for a new contract and it appears as if passengers are getting caught in the middle of this. they say hours long delays, flight cancellations for days. and again looking at that video by monday night, some travelers had simply had enough and emotions boiled over. so this continues. we just checked as far as cancelations goes. we do see some more cancellations for spirit airlines. unclear if all 37 of these are related to the problems they are having with their pilots. but over a week here, things not so good for spirit airlines, already an airlines that doesn't have the best record when it comes for service for its customers as far as on time and customer service and things of that sort. so not good for the airline. >> you know what you don't care
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after the birth of his newborn son with real health complications. >> yeah, jimmy kimmel was calling for affordable access to health care for everyone, including kids with pre-existing conditions. he talked about it more overnight, and he went after one of his fiercest critics, newt gingrich. >> i would like to apologize for saying that children in america should have health care. it was insensitive. [ laughter ] it was offensive, and i hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. there are some very sick and sad people out there. here's one of them. his name is newt gingrich, former speaker of the house. >> you show up at a hospital with a brand-new baby and the brand-new baby has a heart problem, the doctors at that hospital do everything they can to save the baby. they don't say, we'll take care of the baby right after you write a check. they try to save the baby's life, and that's true across the board in this country. >> yes, it is true that if you have an emergency, they will do an operation, and that's terrific if your baby's health problems are all solved during that one visit. the only problem is, that never,
ever happens. we've had a dozen doctors' appointments since our son had surgery. you've got a cardiologist, the pediatrician, surgeon, some kids need an ambulance to transport them. that doesn't count the parents who have to miss work for all this stuff. those details newt forgot to mention. i don't know if the double layers of spanx are restricting the blood flow to his brain. >> all right, joining us now to discuss cnn media correspondent brian stelter, host of "reliable sources." look, jimmy kimmel told some jokes there, but he was also deadly serious, and you get the sense that he is all in. >> yes. this is now going to be something he talks about on his program regularly, at least coming back to it because of his family's health scare. best news of all from last night is that his newborn son is doing well, recovering from the operation, but they're going to have a tough road ahead. so, here's something that kimmel said during the monologue, another emotional monologue here, talking about some of the critics, including the "washington times" headline. here's what kimmel said. >> shut up, jimmy kimmel, you elitist creep.
i cannot tell you how many times i've been called an out-of-touch hollywood elitist creep, which i have to say, i kind of appreciate, because when i was a kid, we had to drink the powdered milk because we couldn't afford the liquid. our orange juice came frozen out of a can. it would squeeze out. my father, on the rare occasion we took a family trip, would hide the dog in the back of the car and then smuggle it into our motel room to avoid paying the $2 pet fee. so, i have to say, my dream was to become an out-of-touch hollywood elitist, and i guess it came true. >> so, kimmel happy to have a platform now that he is a hollywood airfield li-lister. he had senator bill cassidy on his program, who coined the term jimmy kimmel test. cassidy was asked basic questions by kimmel, like why does anybody not have insurance if they're working, if they have a job? i think by reframing the issue that way, kimmel is having an impact on this political debate. >> how different is it this time around from obamacare? i don't remember it being
involved in late night the way that it is this time. >> i think you're right, it is different, but kimmel didn't want to be in this position, he didn't want to have this health scare and talk about this. now he's doing it because of that. >> brian stelter, thank you. >> thanks. >> we appreciate it. coming up next, breaking news on fbi director comey's testimony on the clinton e-mail scandal. was he accurate when he said those thousands of e-mails were forwarded by huma abedin to her husband? not exactly. not exactly. the details next. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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