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>> i'm convinced that north korea has never moved at the speed that this leader has. >> also early this morning, the u.s. military says it successfully tested a missile designed to intercept that threat, and sent two bombers over the korean peninsula in a show of force. all of this comes as the person in charge of protecting the homeland is leaving his post. we'll discuss what it means when a general becomes the president's right handman. >> the president wants to go a different direction. wants a little more discipline, a little more structure in there. you know that he enjoys working with generals. >> more on that in a moment. but first, russia is taking action against the u.s. in the face of looming sanctions. and president putin says while he was hoping relations with the u.s. would change for the better, it clearly is not going to happen any time soon. let's get right to cnn senior
international correspondent matthew chance in moscow. more about the 755 mostly americans who will be leaving? >> that's right. vad mere putin made this announcement on state television here this evening. basically saying the u.s. diplomatic missions across russia. remember they have an embassy in moscow, and three other consulates in other parts of the country. the staff numbers will have to be reduced by 755 people. which is an enormous number and well over half of what we believe are employed by these various u.s. diplomatic missions across russia. a significant step. it underlines just how angry and disappointed the kremlin is with the fact that the u.s. sanctions bill looks like it is going through, passed convincingly by congress. president trump has indicated he will sign it. president trump is the man the kremlin believed was going to be able to turn around the
relationship between russia and the united states. but he's completely been unable to do that, and this marks the point at which russia is saying, okay, enough is enough. vladimir putin saying, we waited a long time for things to change for the better, we hoped the situation would change, judging by the situation that will not be soon. take a listen to what vladimir putin said on national television. >> i thought it was time for us to show that we will not leave this without an answer. as for other possible measures or whether it is a lot or not, this is quite sensible from the point of view of the work of the diplomatic department, because 1,000 or so employees, diplomats and technical workers have worked and still work in russia. 755 will have to stop their activities in the russian federation. >> all right, well, what's not clear at the moment is how many of those 750 people that work in those u.s. diplomatic missions are actually u.s. citizens. there's a mixture in all of
those facilities in the embassy and continent. of russian staff and diplomats, it's not clear how many u.s. diplomats are going to be ejected and departed because of this ruling. >> september 1 is the date that we understand, correct? >> yes. september 1st, just over a month for them to get prepared. vladimir putin said he feels very sad that the situation has got to this point, he believes that the united states and russia should be working together. i mean, he indicated in this television interview, the energy sector, the space industry and syria, the areas where united states and russia have worked together effectively, for the moment, he expects that cooperation between the two countries to continue. >> matthew chance, thank you so much from moscow. earlier today, i spoke with bill browner on putin's latest move, he's a financier who spent years working in russia and is waging an anti-corruption
campaign against the president. he testified before the judiciary committee on thursday. listen. >> i view this as textbook putin, his big thing is to look like a strong man in his country. the number of diplomats who have been expelled, 755 is 20 times the number of diplomats that the u.s. expelled from washington, d.c., as a result of election hacking. this is putin's way of really sort of showing up america, showing his own people he won't be pushed around, and it's quite interesting, it took him this long to do it, as you mentioned, he didn't do anything after the diplomats were expelled in december. he was hoping trump would lift sanctions and what he's discovered is that trump isn't the only person who controls u.s. foreign policy, the u.s. congress does as well. >> and so you believe largely
it's in response to congress pushing for this bill. it wasn't the president's initiative, even though he has yet to sign it. it was con that said, we want to propose this, there need to be more sanctions, and we want to be able to override the president if he denies that and putin saw that as, this is changing the game. >> i was in washington this week testifying at the senate judiciary committee. i met a number of senators and representatives. there is absolute unanimity among -- in congress as far as russia sanctions are concerned. in the senate side, there were 98 senators for sanctions, two against, in the house of representatives, it was even more extreme, there's only three people in the house of representatives that voted against the sanctions bill. basically, the legislative branch of government has as much power as the executive branch. whatever sweet things that donald trump is mumbling in putin's ear, it doesn't affect
policy, and this is the result of effectively putin going to war with the u.s. congress. >> there have been some european allies who have said that their concern is this plan of this proposal, before the president's desk. could potentially backfire, it might make it more difficult for european countries as it pertains to trade. are those legitimate concerns? >> well, what you have are certain european business people arguing to their governments, that they're going to -- they're not going to make as much money with this sanctions policy in place. and europe has much more to fear from russia than the united states does. europe is much closer to russia. putin only understands a boot on his throat. anyone who's arguing in europe this is going to backfire, is effectively arguing that certain businessmen are not going to make as much money. >> in order to seize u.s. property in moscow and expel the
755 oar -- regardless of what the number is, it could be really step number one in what's to come. take a listen. >> you're the one who notified the americans that the russians would be expelling american diplomats and technicians, closing down facilities, is this what president putin was talking about in terms of retaliation? >> yes, it is and i think this retaliation is long long over due, after the senate, the day before yesterday voted on the 27th of july, voted so overwhelmingly on a completely weird and unacceptable piece of legislation. it was the last drop. if the u.s. side decides to move forward toward further deteriorati deterioration, we will answer -- >> so the president had said, particularly after the g-20 that
the -- there was going to be a concerted effort made to increase or improve the relationships between the u.s. and russia. is that impossible at this juncture? >> well, the main reason why -- yes, it is impossible, the main reason why, is that russia interfered with the democratic process of the election last year. >> the president is still not convinced of that. >> well, he may not be convinced of it, everyone else in the country is convinced of it, the legislative branch has as much power as the executive branch in many situations. this is one situation where congress has effectively tied the president's hands and overwrote him in terms of whatever sentiment he has about putin and russia. >> lots more to talk about. a research fellow at the huber institute on standards. good to see you. do you believe the deputy foreign minister when he says,
this could be the start of more to come? what potentially is in the arsenal of russia? >> i'm not exactly sure what the russians plan to do. this retaliation is exactly that. a punitive measure against the united states. the united states has taken a substantive act of imposing sanctions against russia. i think there's a really -- when you look at it, there's a mismatch in behavior, what congress did, whether the president agrees or others agree. it asserted its article one authority under the constitution. it is the first branch of government. it acted as so. and i think the president will work well with congress on this and other related issues, because the congress has made
its preference clear. >> how potentially might this hurt u.s. interests or work that 750 personnel, largely working with u.s. diplomatic efforts would be asked to leave or forced to leave by september 1. >> i don't think it's a good move at all. not only does the u.s. have a robust embassy in moscow. it has three consulates throughout russia as well. with americans working very hard from the foreign service and others on behalf of u.s. interest in the region and in the country. so i do think that it will hurt the ability of those left to get their work done, but we have an incredibly disciplined and committed foreign service and american service corps. i believe our work will continue. i think it complicates u.s. russia relations in some very specific ways. president trump, i think is
coming to grips with the facts that -- the fact that we're in the 21st century, and foreign policy is incredibly difficult in this new century, in ways that we aren't really prepared for. both president bush and president obama grappled with the difficulties of russia and china and other great powers. and i think he realizes that he needs russia, and he needs china to resolve syria and ukraine and other crisis, but it's not easy dealing with great powers who havedy ver gent interests. >> is this putin as we understand, the president has signed that proposal. is this putin saying, before you sign that, give it another thought, because we're about to expel 755 of your people that you need. >> if it is, i hope that the u.s. administration would not respond the way that vladimir
putin would want the u.s. to respond. in fact, i think congress has spoken. >> so you think they will still sign in. >> i do. i do, and i don't have inside knowledge on this point. but to me, i think the president should sign and will sign because of what congress has done is actually consistent with what he said in the campaign and in the early months of his administration, he wants a clear coherent foreign policy. the personnel changes have made it somewhat difficult. but i don't think this is inconsistent with where he has sought to go dealing with russia. >> russia still wants access to its compounds in new york and maryland. that access removed during the bau obama administration. do you think the president has made up his mind definitively he would not return that? >> i don't know. and i would not want to speculate on air without knowledge of those deliberations. and i'm not part of that.
>> all right, thanks so much. good to see you again. >> thank you. there was a show of military force by russia today. the nation bringing back its annual navy parade to display hundreds of ships and aircraft. vladimir putin says it's not a show of force, but instead, this country is reviving a sent's old tradition. lots of symbolism today. the u.s. says it's conducted a successful missile defense test as a threat of north korea intensifies, details on that next. i'm convinced that north korea has never moved at the speed that this leader has.
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this is video from that test, the thaad system intercepted a ballistic missile over the pacific ocean. the u.s. also sent two bombers to fly over the korean peninsula in a show of military force. and moments ago, vice president mike pence weighed in, affirming all options are on the table for dealing with north korea. alexander field is monitoring the tense situation from seoul, south carolina. alex? >> to some extent we've been here before. the stakes keep getting higher. their most recent icbm test launch goes a way toward achieving that. experts agreed was able to reach alaska, this time around, there's further range on that missile they tested. this is a missile that could be capable of reaching into the
mainland of the united states while the north koreans are celebrating this victory, it is provoking a response from south korea and the u.s. they are trying to flex their military mite in kind. firing off their own missiles, deploying that missile defense system in a test run as well. and flying b-1 bombers over the korean peninsula. every time north korea sees these moves as a provocation, they will take firm action if the u.s. proceeds with sanctions. that and they're looking at china to enforce those sanctions. that's what we heard from president trump himself, since he took office, now he seems to be trying to apply more pressure to china with recent tweets saying china has done nothing
for us. the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley is backing that up, saying the u.s. is done talking about north korea, china is aware they must act beijing reacted to the launch of the icbm. called for all sides to lower the tension. it was officials in beijing who proposed a few months back, a freeze, by which north koreans would agree to freeze their nuclear and missile program. they wanted to see the u.s. and south korea stop conducting the military drills that provoked the range of pyongyang. that is an option that has been discounted by officials who are looking at china, and saying it is china who has the leverage in the region and it is china who must ability to reign in the regime here. >> thank you very much. what are the options that the u.s. has in dealing with an
increasingly aggressive north korea. congress is about to send the president that sanctions bill, that not only impacts russia, but north korea as well. and we've heard from the white house that he would sign it, we don't know what the response is today. the north koreans are threatening firm action, if the u.s. goes ahead with those sanctions. what do they mean firm action? >> i don't think it means anything. sometimes when the north koreans talk, they mean what they say, when they say they're going to test, they're going to test. other times it's bravado. i would say that's true on the u.s. side too. if you test one more time, this is terrible, we're going to do terrible things to you. and then they test and nothing much happens. on that, both sides tend to make threats that they don't back up. i would step back from this and listen to what alexandra said in that last report.
this is like the 14th test, they are -- they're not just testing more, they're testing at a faster pace, if you think sanctions are going to solve this, you're deluding yourself. there's a giant disconnect between their ability to quickly advance their capabilities versus our ability to enforce sanctions that would even matter. they're clearly winning that race. doing more of the same ain't going to change the fundamental problem. >> and there has been progress in advancements. that's exactly what dianne feinstein was talking about today, when asked about north korea's missile. >> i'm convinced that north korea has never moved at the speed that this leader has to develop an icbm, to put solid fuel, to have an interesting launch device. and to have a trajectory which as of the latest analysis would
enable it to go about 6,000 miles and maybe even hit as far east as chicago. we can't have that. >> and if that is the case, reaching as far east as chicago. would you believe that, and what would be your biggest concerns if that is it the case? >> well, i'd separate out a couple things, let's put this in context. you know the 30,000 americans living in south carolina are armed forces personnel living there, and whatever tens of thousands more in japan, they've been living over a nuclear shadow for years now, this is nothing new for them. our allies and own fighting forces have been under threat of a nuclear attack for a while. it might be new to us, but this has been a situation in play. i think it points to the need to do something different. and the only way you're going to get them to stop making progress, is if they stop testing. the only way you're going to stop or freeze testing is if you sit down and talk to them.
i think we're going to need to change tactics here and do more of that. if we don't stop them, that cape ability will continue. if we were to get a freeze, and different sides have made different noises about getting a freeze. swapping this for that. if we got a freeze, at least it would not progress any further than it is now. and i think everyone would welcome that. >> the president, president trump launched his twitter rant saying, china is not doing enough to solve the north korea problem, and then moments ago, the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley sent out a statement via tweet, saying, there's no point in having an emergency session. if it produces nothing of consequence. china must decide whether it is finally willing to take this vital step. the time for talk is over. the danger, the north korean regime poses to peace is now clear. beijing did respond and said that while it's condemning what
has happened, it's also saying all sides need to work together. so what in all of that would be different? i know you said something different would have to happen? >> yeah, well, i don't -- >> does it sound like anyone's got a defrn plan? >> no, she pretty much said that the last 13 times they had a missile test. the person that proceeded her in that job said the same thing, all those many tests last year. i don't see the statements really meaning anything. i think really the most interesting thing to come out of this and is a little worrying. the other thing here, less reported, is that because of these tests, the u.s. has agreed to allow south korea to build bigger missiles. there are always restraints on what they could have in terms of range. what's happened over time, with a major provocation, we should be able to do x, y and z. and under that moment of crisis,
the u.s. says, okay, you can do that. as a result, south korean forces can now reach deeper into south korea and deliver heavier destructive payloads, that is a regional arm's race that is one consequence of all these shenanigans. >> is it your feeling, though, that north ye ya is trying to flex muscles? just trying to tell the world, pay attention to us? it really has no intention of preemptively launching a missile to strike the u.s. mainland? >> i think you put your finger on absolutely the correct point here. there's no way north kree crab initiates a war against us, they would lose. if there's one thing the family wants to do is hold on to power, not commit suicide. they're not going to start a war, there is still danger here, if they feel like we're coming after them, they feel like we can fire first. one of these leaders could go and decide to do something
really dumb. so yes a deliberate war is a low probability. but i think there's still danger here, that's why we should have more negotiation. hold your friends close and enemies closer. >> jim walsh, this was mike pence in estonia. >> the continued provocations are unacceptable. and the united states of america is going to continue to marshall the sport of nations across the region and across the world to further isolate north korea economically and dramatically. the era is over. >> is that the diplomacy you're talking about? >> he said the era of strategic tactics is over. we are in the same situation, they keep testing and we keep saying the same thing.
here's my prediction, they're going to test again. they're probably going to test within a month. they vbt had a nuclear test, i'm happy about that, that is something they can also do in the future. they are certainly going to test another missile and i -- if that's not strategic patience, i don't know what is. >> jim walsh. the head of homeland security takes over as white house chief of staff tomorrow. hit the reset button and who will take kelly's place at homeland security. with safe driver and paperless billing. but the prize at the top is worth every last breath. here we go. [ grunts ] got 'em. ahh. wait a minute. whole wheat waffles? [ crying ] why!
staff. that move is raising speculation about whether attorney general jeff sessions could switch roles and move into kelly's old job as homeland security secretary. let's bring in cnn's boris sanchez in washington. set the seen for us as the president gears up for this new week? >> all eyes are on jeff sessions and where he may turn up next. if he is indeed fired by the president or if he resigns. that speculation that you mentioned about him going over to the department of homeland security, came about as a politico piece. his name came up. we do have to state, this is purely speculation at this point.
cnn has no indication the president is considering this move or that sessions would 1e7 the job. because the white house has made unprecedented moves before. there are lawmakers that are taking this seriously, including lindsey graham who said it would be a bad idea. and senator susan collins of maine said she wouldn't be in favor of this move. that's the main problem between the president and the attorney general. herery kelly anne conway expanding on that earlier today. >> that's a personnel question only the president can answer. the president has expressed frustration about the recusal, so much has flowed from the recusal. and so much of president trump's agenda flows from the department of justice. many of the programs he won successfully on go through the
department of justice. and look at what's happened with the ridiculous russian collusion. >> it is possible because jeff sessions has already been confirmed by congress, to serve as the head of the doj, the president could install him as the secretary of the department of homeland security, for up to 210 days while he goes on to nominate a new attorney general. as you heard from republican lawmakers, that candidate would likely have a hard time getting confirmed to replace jeff sessions. >> thank you so much. after the gop health kash bill takes a big defeat, what does this mean for the future of obama care and the millions of americans who are on it? we'll discuss next. with an app. your son is turning on all the lights again! and with the esurance mobile app, you can do the same thing with your car insurance. like access your id card, file a claim,
care, the president has tweeted criticism against his own party. he singled out specific lawmakers and issued veiled threats of repercussions if a new bill is not passed soon. today a different approach. tweeting don't give up republican senators, repeal and replace, and go to 51 votes. nuke option. across state lines and more. the president has direct ed senators to let obama care implode. >> is he going to let it implode, or as he says, do the right thing for the american people? >> i think what the president said is it's not the right thing to do, because it hurts people. >> this week, he said he was going to let it implode. is that what he's going to do? >> no, i think again that punctuates the concern he has about getting this moved in the right direction.
>> but he says let obama care implode then deal. >> that punctuates the seriousness with which he understands the american people are having to deal with the current situation. >> is what he is suggesting letting it implode putting the needs of patients first? >> the current system is imploding. the president has stated it. i understand it, the american people understand it. >> joining me right now, a senior writer for cnn money. if a new health care billing is not approved quickly. >> if these bailouts for insurance companies are the cost sharing payments, is it up to the president to withhold or release those payments?
>> right now it's been a debate between the insurers, they wait every month to see if they're going to get paid. insurers are going want to want to know if they're going to get that money. it's critical for them to get the money to continue on the exchanges. >> people who are counting on the aca want to know, are they going to be able to count on it? >> these subsidies reduce income for low income consumers. insurers want to get these payments, they don't, they're going to drop out for 2018. we've been seeing them raise their rates.
they can't handle the uncertainty, they want to know that they're going to get these payments. >> the president has the power to resuscitate or keep these payments in line. could be not sending the payments, so it dies. >> what happens to obama care here on in is in the administration's hands. it's also in congress's hands, of course. with congress stalled on their repeal and replace effort. they want to know what's going to happen with the individual mandate. stl going to help them get young and healthy people into the exchanges? they want to know what laps with open enrollment. the obama administration was very big in marketing and
advertising, and encouraging people to sign up, but the trump add ming station has not been. they've already cancelled two contracts to marketing firms to promote the enrollment, and we know that last year, right after he took office, at the end of open enrollment season in january, he cancelled a lot of advertising that would have encouraged a lot of people to sign up at the end. in the end, half a million fewer people signs up for obama care in 2017. what the administration does now is going to determine the fate of obama care. >> but that there is into marketing, doesn't mean people can't sign up, if they don't know they can sign up, then, of course, that's how the marketing is directly a component here? >> right, and you know what's going to happen, the people who do know about signing up. obama care exists. it is the law of the land. the people who know about it are the sicker people. we know they're going so sign up.
what the insurer's also want are the healthy people to sign up. those are the ones that need to be encouraged, through social media, advertising, other types of crowd reach, to get them to enrole. that's going do make the exchanges healthier. >> thank you so much. of course we can always check out your reporting on the health care matters at cnn.com. still ahead, very dangerous protests and boycotts in venezuela, and a candidate killed as polls get ready to close in venezuela. a live report from caracas in minutes. and the rummage through your closet fee. who is she, verizon? are those my heels? yeah! yeah, we're the same size...in shoes. with t-mobile taxes and fees are already included, so you get four lines of unlimited for just $40 bucks each. the price we say is the price you pay.
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the opposition is defying the government's ban on protests. john mccain tweeted about the situation there. we stand with the people of venezuela today. not sham elections and maduro maduromaduro's position. >> it has been a violent 24 hours, a violent week, really several months since april, since this political unrest began. we heard president maduro take to social media to thank all the voters who showed up at the polls today urging the young folks to continue to come out. they will keep the lines open as long as they have voters ready to take part in this election.
to get a little further out, you can see the opposition taking to the streets, making barricades out of old washing machines, rocks, wood, anything to come out and make a statement against the government. we were in one area where the national guard came in shooting tear gas at the opposition to open that major highway. within half hour, you saw more people take to the street. as they said, they do not want a new constitution, which could come out of this new assembly that they are electing today. they want a new government many what's interesting is what they see as the crisis. i was at the polling station, and i asked someone taking part in the elections today they said the crisis is the opposition while everyone will tell you,
they want peace, i'm not sure that everyone canal degree on how that can be achieved. it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few days peace will not be in the near future. >> thank you so much. >> also overseas, more than 22,000 people were evacuated from a music festival in spain after a massive fire engulfed the stage there everyone was evacuated safely, and there were no reports of any injuries, concert organizers say a technical malfunction sparked the fire, organizers are working with authorities investigating that incident. we will be right back.
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>> i despise myself from pretty much close to getting out of the womb. i was always wrong. let's start with that, when you're always wrong, you seek an audience to disprove that theory. i was just hellbent on having to prove myself. i know i'm right. i can't be always wrong. >> my father was a very strange man. he was kind of a performance artist that was fueled by beer. >> i was very shy and at home i was always quiet and didn't get to speak very often. other people were always jibber jabbering a lot. some people wouldn't clam up, mom. >> when i did different voices or noises, people say, that's weird or shut up. >> i feel like there's a fear of
seeming crazy. >> a lot of comedians are people that are very introverted, very shy. a little narcissistic, a little damage, and so the only way to combat it is to go to the one place where you are stripped bare. >> you can watch spark of madness tonight right here on cnn. >> thank you for being with us today. there's so much more straight ahead in the newsroom with ana cabrera. that starts right now many. you're in the cnn newsroom, i hope you've had a wonderful weekend. in less than 24 hours, white house personnel will be under new leadership. general john kelly will be sworn in as chief of staff. his goal is to put an end to the infighting, the leaks the turmoil.
events are happening all around the world. take a look at the scene right now in venezuela. an election that would rewrite the constitution in the president's favor there. ends in one hour. a candidate was gunned down in his home hours before voting began. an opposition leader was killed in protests today. a collapsing economy, a live update from caracas is moments away. a new threat from north korea if u.s. sanctions continue. this time north korea may be a greater danger than ever. the ballistic missile it tested on friday, shows the country is capable of striking major u.s. cities including los angeles and
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