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fit on a missile capable of striking this country, here's the president's message to kim jong-un. >> north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal statement. and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly, power the likes of which this world has never seen before. >> fire and fury like the world has never seen, the president today warned north korea that they best not make any more threats to the united states. it only took the regime a few hours to respond with another threat saying their military was "examining operational plan to strike the u.s. territory of guam with ballistic missiles. if all of this sounds scary and uncertain, you're not alone.
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we'll hear from a wide range of experts tonight. 9 only language remotely similar to what president trump said is what president true man said after dropping an atomic bomb on hiroshima. he said if they do not accept our terms, they may accept a rain of rouyn from the air the like of which has never been seen on this earth." the japanese did not act quickly enough. and three days later, the last bottom fell on knack sake. that is not where we are tonight. the question is though, is did we take a step closer today. barbara starr at the pentagon, what more are you learning about this threat? >> the north korean state news agency did issue this statement earlier today. it appears to have come maybe, we're not positive, after president trump spoke. the north korean agencies saying they are examining their operational plan to strike areas around guam using ballistic
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missiles. now, how realistic is it? well, the north koreans do have missiles that could strike guam. they have some challenges in being able to have the real capacity to target that far away with precision. some 1800 miles perhaps, but nobody really wants to take that bet, do they? you know? so guam does have a u.s. missile defense system on the island but they're about 160,000 americans there, two u.s. military bases and here's the real problem tonight. this is the direct challenge to what president trump said. he said another threat they will be met by fire and fury. they made the threat. now, what happens, anderson? >> before we move on, it is not clear because what you just said it was several hours after the president made those remarks that the north koreans made those remarks. is it just several hours later it was reported? are you saying we don't know for a fact this comment was made
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after the president's remarks? >> i don't think we know exactly when the kcna published it at this point. >> in terms of nuclear development, if north korea does now have this capability, it would be obviously very serious move forward for their nuclear program. >> here's where we are on that. the u.s. intelligence assessment is that they most likely have in fact produced a warhead. the important word being produced. is it deployable? can it be used? can it be put on an operational missile? could you fire the missile? could you hit a target? there are a lot of challenges ahead but again, the really key point here is, north korea continues its march on. they are making progress. they're making rapid progress in their miff program, in their warhead program. the big challenge for them on warheads right now if they're going to fire these longer range ballistic missiles, can the warhead re-enter the earth withstand the heat and pressure, stay intact and still hit a target. it's what they have to still
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achieve. but again, we come back to the question, is anybody really willing to take the bet at this point that they can't do it. >> and this is -- if they do have that capability, miniaturizing it would have been faster than many predicted, no? >> it would have been faster than you would have thought. let's say roughly a couple years ago. but over the last two years, you have increasingly heard u.s. military commanders and intelligence officials say they are worried about the rapid progress that north korea has been making. and for the last several months, we've heard top pentagon officials say that they're their working assumption is that the north koreans basically have the whole package that they can put it all together, that the u.s. military has to plan against that is worst case scenario, against that worst case assumption. you have to plan like they've really got it in hand. >> barb gra bra, star, appreciate that. the latest from sara murray. what more are you learning about
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the president's comments today? >> reporter: well, anderson, we know that the president has been privately agonizing for months really over what to do about the threats posed by north korea. obviously, today we saw very fiery rhetoric from president trump. it's the kind of rhetoric as you pointed out raised alarm bells with some national security experts even some members of congress. it wasn't a surprise to people who know the president well and recognize that this is sort of his style. this is sort of his tone. of course, the question tonight is whether this was just tough political talk or whether the administration is ready to actually take action. >> right, and also do we know and we may not, was this a planned response? was that phrase scripted that he used, the fire and fury the likes of which the world has never seen or power wit world has never seen? was that planned out or something he said off the top of his head? >> reporter: we don't know exactly whether that was a scripted response. we knew he was having this opioid event today.
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we expected he would be asked about the situation in north korea. this would be something the president would be prepared to respond to. obviously, members of his staff had received a number of requests from people about how the white house was going to navigate the situation. but this is the kind of talk we've heard from the president before. this is sort of his signature style and how he expresses himself. i think that's also why people are reacting with such shock. it's not the kind of tone, it's not the kind of wording we are used to seeing from previous presidents. as we've said time and time again on this show, president trump is not like previous presidents. >> in terms of retaliatory options the white house is considering, do you know? >> reporter: well, they didn't exactly lay out a list of options in response to this latest revelation in terms of how they're going to deal with north korea. we do know the president over the last couple days has spent time huddled with senior u.s. officials talking about the situation in north korea. one thing that top administration officials have made clear this they look at north korea as a problem with
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every option on the table. of course, anderson, that includes the military option. >> all right. sara murray, appreciate the update. more reaction to the tone and content of what the president said. here's what john mccain told a local radio station late today. >> i take exception to the president's comments because you've got to be sure that you can do what you say you're going to do. in other words, the old walk softly but carry a big stick. >> democrat dianne feinstein weighed in with this saying "isolating the north koreans has not halted their pursuit of nuclear weapons and president trump is not helping the situation with his bombastic comments. in my view, diplomacy is the only sound path forward." perspective from someone who has had more and a few sleepless nights over north korea. james clapper, former director of national intelligence. this latest news that north korea is examining the operational plan to strike areas around guam, how do you see how
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drastic that would escalate the conflict or how darnths situation is right now? >> well, first, anderson, thanks for having me although i am reminded of the apocryphal line ascribed to elizabeth taylor's eighth husband when he said i know what i'm supposed to do but how do i make it different. to be serious, the rhetoric itself is quite serious. and what is bothersome to me is for decades, we've heard this kind of rhetoric coming out of north korea and typically, we ignore it. certainly at the presidential level we ignore it. so the rhetoric itself is not helpful. and i am in agreement with senator feinstein's comments about the way ahead here is diplomacy. certainly the north koreans are going to convey the image of capability which we cannot confirm they have.
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my old agency dia came out with an assessment ascribing the capability to miniaturize a weapon in a warhead. well, we've anticipated that for years. and it's only logical that as they aggressively pursue their miff technology, so would they a weapon to go with it. in truth, neither they nor we know that these weapons will actually work. so i'm of a mind to -- i'm sort of in the secretary of state tillerson camp of more moderate rhetoric and i would also appeal to those in the media to tone down the rhetoric, as well because the rhetoric itself now is becoming quite incendiary. i don't think it's very productive to engage in this dueling banjo rhetoric back and forth which is quite provocative. >> did it surprise you that president trump targeted the
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threats from north korea? i don't know if he meant verbal threats or obviously military threats or verbal threats about military threats. but targeting saying don't threaten the u.s. anymore or else there's going to be this response. that's targeting it seems like one way to interpret it is it's targeting rhetoric you're concerned about and the u.s. has always chosen to ignore. >> exactly. the issue here having come out with that kind of rhetoric from the presidential level raises the ante. what we have always done in the past is take the rhetoric emanating from north korea with a grain of salt. and when we take it seriously like this and threaten as the president did, that's a pretty heavy message and when he says, speaks of the fire and fury, this is very reminiscent of the
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rhetoric north korea uses about transforming seoul into a sea of fire. and i believe they would if they were attacked. with all that artillery and rocketry they have lined up along the dmz. that fire and fury statement doesn't just apply to north korea because that jeopardizes literally millions of people in south korea not to mention the regional implications. >> you mentioned secretary tillerson. i want to read what he said about north korea just the other day because it really does, it seems like he is trying to de-escalate tensions which you spoke to. he said "we do not seek a regime change. we do not seek an accelerated unification of the peninsula. we do not seek an excuse to send our military north of the 38th parallel. we're trying to convey to the north koreans we are not your enemy but you are presenting an unacceptable threat to us and we have to respond." that seems in stark contrast to what the president said today.
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>> is absolutely does. that doesn't help either having this discordant inconsistent voices coming out of the leadership of this country. i think secretary tillerson is exactly right. and we need to tone down the rhetoric about regime change and all this as desirable as that might be, that all that does is amp up the paranoia, and the siege mentality that prevails in pyongyang which i observed when i visited there three years ago. >> you flew there to secure the release of two americans when you werer of national intelligence. in political science 101 class, you learn about rational actors. some states make rational decisions can based on their national security. others are not considered rational actors. do you think north korea is a rational actor? >> on their scale, they are rational. if you're sitting in pyongyang looking out, all you see are enemies particularly when they
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look to the south, they recognize that the armed forces of the republic of korea buttressed by the united states, they are no match for that. they understand that. and that's why this nuclear capability which they will not give up is their ticket to survival. it's -- it's the only thing they have that merits recognition by the rest of the world. so they're not going to give up the nuclear weapons. i think we need to talk to them and have dialogue with them but accept the fact they are a nuclear power. >> do you think it's a time for direct talks with north korea? which is something thank past administrations have avoided and tried to make it more a number of countries not giving north korea the one-on-one discussions? >> i absolutely do. i've been an advocate, for example, for establishing an intersection in pyongyang much like we had in decades, in havana for decades to deal with
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the government cuba that we didn't recognize. and this is not a reward for bad behavior. it's to have an inresidence diplomatic presence there and also to gain greater insight into north korea and one of the reasons it's such a problem for us is because we're not there. and third, to be as a conduit for information to north korea. i also don't think their demands to at least talk about a peace treaty because all we've had is an armistice, a cease-fire for 64 years on the korean peninsula. as the north koreans look at it, they see that the issians are on a hair trigger ready to invade them and conquer their country. that's the way they see things. >> it's interesting when you look at things from china's perspective. the trump administration has been critical china hasn't done enough. they did vote, there was this unanimous resolution over the weekend on saturday for more sanctions. whether or not they're followed through on by china is another question.
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from china's vantage point, it's interesting to realize, i mean, their concerns are a, about instability on their border and if there's military conflict, obviously there's instability. but just the very idea of a unified korea that has u.s. troops in it and is oriented toward the united states, that >> exactly. the chinese don't like kim yong u.n.'s behavior. they don't like the missile or underground nuclear test. what they dislike more is the thought of exactly what you suggest, that is, a reunified korea forcefully reunified by the way and imploding violently imploding north koreaing with millions of north korean refugees pouring into china and having the republic of korea buttressed by the united states right on their border, that is even more unacceptable to the chinese. and just as the chinese vote
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ford u.n. security council resolution 2270 in 2016, so do they vote for this one. the issue is will they enforce them. their enforcement of security council resolution 2270 was shall i say uneven. it will be a real test now to see whether the chinese enforce this most recent security council resolution. >> and just family, i mean, i'm sure you've looked at this and seen the war games and how this all plays out. again, not to ratchet up rhetoric or scare tactics in any way but just you mentioned it a little bit. i mean, seoul, south korea is quite close to the north. just the impact of a regional conflict military conflict, using whatever weapons that north korea has to south korea to japan, what are we talking about in terms of the scope? >> you're talking about incomprehensible death and
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destruction. it would be a violent and just a terrible tragedy that would mean death and destruction both in the north and south and perhaps regionally. so it would be apocalyptic. >> and obviously, with what, 30,000 easy troops there, they are also. >> not to mention the dependence of those servicemen and the hundreds of thousands of dual korean/u.s. citizens who are there as well as millions of republic of korea citizens who would -- whose lives would be at risk. >> general clapper, i appreciate you being on tonight especially. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. when we come back, we'll dig deep near what the military picture would look like for dealing with north korea as well as the terrible cost that general clapper was mentioning involving nearly every one of the options. later coming up at a time when everyone needs to trust the
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>> reporter: president trump's defense secretary recently issue aid dire warning about armed conflict on korean peninsula. >> it will be a war more serious in terms of it human suffering than anything we have seen since 1953. it will involve the massive shelling of an ally's capital which is one of the most densely packed cities on earth. it would be a serious -- it would be a catastrophic war. >> reporter: kim jong-un has a million man army and bolstered his eninfantry and artillery near the dmz. much of those forces are in underground bunkers ready to fire on seoul at the first whiff of attack by the u.s. >> the number of missiles they could launching into south korea, they could cause a lot of damage. >> reporter: there are about 28,000 huss troops in the region. experts say the u.s. and south korea would win that war. but some studies project tens of thousands of people killed in the first couple of days.
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>> it would be a very nasty fight. the maneuver forces from the united states and south korea moving into the north would encount ker barriers of very tough foe, they have been there forever so they know the terrain. brian todd, cnn washington. >> it's not the thing you want to think about it but it's precisely the sort of thing military planners must think about. reteared army general mark hertling, colonel rick francona and john kirby. general hertling, the president's comments today. now the threat from north korea against guam, how concerned are you about what's unfolding, the pace of it and the rhetoric of it? >> we should own the clock on this anderson. this should be under our control in terms of the tempo. there's been a lot of emotion on this. this is a threat that has dire consequences where we haven't -- where we were just beginning to make steps to put together an alliance with china and russia potentially on this or at least
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make steps forward. you know, the president does not have support of congress on this and as you can tell by the reaction tonight, the will of the american people is unsure on this. this also comes at a time when there's some challenges to mr. trump's approval and his honesty levels by the american people. so all of this is happening and coming together at a very tough time. and it's something that truthfully is being based on some reports in terms of improvements in technologies that have been around for a couple of years. general scaparrati said they had the potential to do some of these things. admiral said this. we should be own the tempo as opposed to increasing emotions. having been a guy who worked war plans in the pentagon or contingency plans for korea and having exercised on the ground in korea, this will be an extremely tough challenging fight. secretary mattis i think even
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and he was underselling it in his predictions in terms of how devastating a conflict on the peninsula would be. >> someone who has war gamed this out and been on the ground doing exercises, can you just talk why it is so difficult and give a sense of the difficulties involved? i remember talking to you once about the terrain between south and north. so from a ground standpoint and just the missiles alone. >> it's a constricted terrain. it's mountainous. a lot of ravines and caves, the north koreans have most of their artillery set in caves. it would be very difficult. when we were fighting in iraq or afghanistan, it was relatively easy in a desert environment to have launches of aircraft or launches of missiles and hitting the targets we wanted to hit once we found them. in this kind of environment, it would be very difficult. the difference also between the middle eastern fights over the last 16 years is the fact that north korea has about a little
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under 10,000 tubes of artillery and quite a few rocket launchers to include the potential for nuclear weapons, as well. none of that doesn't mean we should take the military options off the table but i don't think we've concerned ourself with what is it that kim jong-un has as a capability? we're beginning to see that but more importantly, what is his intent? he's trying to sustain his regime and i'm not sure we've really war gamed enough with this administrationing what that means to counter his actions and what we're trying to do in terms of a strategic end statement. >> admiral, what happens now that north korea has threatened a u.s. territory? does that heighten expectations that president trump could order some sort of military action? the president is talkings about he was specifically saying, north korea don't threaten the u.s. anymore. which is a different kind of threat for the u.s. to be making than other who have made, i
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think president clinton once said if they struck, that there would be a cataclysmic response. >> it's difficult to know from his statement today, anderson, whether he's referring to a physical threat or a verbal threat. clearly they have now issued a verbal threat in response to him today with this making assessments or sessing carefully examining potential plans they haven't exactly directly threatened guam but they're looking at it. we have to take it seriously. it's u.s. territory. there are 160,000 plus american citizens on that island, about 12,000 troops and families, two military bases. it's a strategic hub for the pacific region. what's not clear is whether they can actually hit guam with effectiveness or precision. again as general hertling said, we've got take these threats seriously and have to be ready for that. so the rhetoric certainly did amp up today in a very unhelpful way. it was all avoidable. the president simply didn't need to go there today.
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especially in the wake of the fact he's got a secretary of state in the region who has indicated we're not after regime change. we are willing to explore the notion of negotiations and direct talks. he's got this great win at the u.n. security council. here a couple days ago prompted a sharp response from the north but still a significant win for the international community, galvanizing pressure. all of that moving in his direction. this was a step back. >> colonel francona, what's so interesting, admiral kirby referenced that the secretary of state, rex tillerson a few days ago had made a very different kind of statement toward north korea essentially kind of trying to lower rhetoric making it clear what the uz is not interested in doing in terms of regime change and north korea. >> what he didn't do is state the position specifically. what are we willing to live with? are we willing to live with north korea armed with a nuclear tipped intercapitolnental
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ballistic missile? from what i'm reading we're saying we're not. i don't know what we're prepared to do about it. by using this kind of language, we're playing right ni kim jong-un's hands. what he wants is deterrence. that's why he embarked on this program. he didn't embark on the program to destroy the united states. he wanted to protect his country from his perceived threat from the united states. general clapper laid this out very well how the north koreans look at the rest of the world. when you look out for north korea, you see enemies all around you. what's the best way to deter an enemy snks with a nuclear weapon. that's the capability he's trying to develop. i think secretary tillerson recognizes that and willing to say okay, we understand what you want. let's see how we go forward from here. i still would like to hear the absolute bottom line, what is the united states willing to live with. >> we've got to get a quick break in. as kim jong-un and president trump trade warnings, john mccain has more to say. hear which leader he thinks is
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>> yeah. >> i'm not sure that president trump is ready to act. >> want to bring back our military panel now. general hertling if you're south korea or japan tonight, what steps are you taking in this potential escalation? >> there is as air defense umbrella over both japan and south korea right now, anderson that would prevent any kind of ballistic missiles for the most part getting in. that's not 100% insurance. that's sort of like what goes on. israel during the strikes that they've received. they can get most of them but every once in awhile there's one that is going to fall through. going back to what secretary mattis and general clapper said, it is dangerous in seoul, south korea. it's a packed city of 10.5 million people with over 100,000 americans, as well. and any kind of disaster of an exploelgs o motion in that city would cause an unbelievable human trauma but it would also
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cause medical issues across the board and it would be very tough to fight it. yeah, they're prepared for this kich thing. they've been prepared for a very long time but that doesn't make it any easier. it's not something they want on their territory. >> admiral kirby, i used to work at the state department. you worked as a spokesperson. when you heard what the president said, did you get any sense whether those were prepared remarks or not? because one of the phrases he uses, the like the world has never seen, is actually a phrase he has used repeatedly throughout his life. i've been seeing just on twitter various times he used it. he used it in 2012 talking about rising food prices, "beyond what we have ever seen." here's that tweet. price of corn has jumped over 50%. this cause a jump in food prices perhaps beyond what we've seen." he talked about china building a for the rest the likes of which perhaps the world has not seen. he's used that phrase a lot. i wonder if the fire and fury
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was something they worked on and he just added in that phrase that he likes a lot? because that phrase does sort of take it to a different level saying it's beyond anything the world has ever seen takes it to obviously what sounds like a nuclear level. >> yes, very sill and hyperbolic. i don't know whether it was prepared for not. i have to think it wasn't. this was a camera spray for an opioid conference. i know he obviously was following current events and i would assume had to guess that he was going to be asked about this. but it didn't strike me as something that was prepared and thought through. definitely took the rhetoric to an ampd up level that we've talked about how unhelpful that is. i would be very surprised if this was fully supported. and i would imagine, anderson this came as a surprise to pretty much everybody in his national security establishment when they heard he said this. i can't imagine any of them were pleased when they heard about it. >> we should point out and pointed out by others he
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actually in that discussion about the opioid crisis today he actually used that phrase earlier talking about opioids. he said we're very, very strong on our southern border and i would say the likes of which this country certainly has never seen. he used that phrase just shortly before. he then used it perhaps in an ad lib about north korea. >> in my work as a spokesman, that's called a parachute. everybody has their little ticks and phrases you fall back on when you don't know what next to say. it's seems like that's one of his tics, too. >> colonel francona, walk us through what sort of visual the military has on north korea's military capabilities? most of what we know is from satellites. could the u.s. air force actually fly over to get a better look? some bombers were sent over recently. is that a nonstarter? >> we don't need to. we've got satellites that do much better coverage manned
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platforms. the entire country of north korea is within range. we've got good coverage there. we don't have good human assets. we've never had them. general clapper alluded to that, as well. we don't have a presence on the ground in north korea, we don't have an embassy or intersection. it's very difficult for us to accurately gauge what's going on there. as far as the intelligence on the missile program, it's probably fairly accurate because we can see it. what we can't see the is the upper workings of working on the warhead. it's all done in underground bunkers in smaller workshops. so we don't know exactly how far along they've come. we can't see the warhead. so i think a lot of this is assessment but you know, the assessments on north korea have been pretty good over the years. and i think we predicted that this was going to snowball. we can see how much faster the pace is going right now. i think we've got a fair handle
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with some sharp rhetoric from the president of the united states and north korea, we have new cnn polling on the subject. half the country favors the united states taking military action in response to north korea's weapons testing. 43% oppose military action. this poll was taken before today. with me now is former ambassador to china and democratic senator max baucus and jim demint. ambassador, what do you make of president trump's comments today and north korea's threat to look at guam as a possible target of attack? >> during my several years of experience as ambassador to china, the chinese are very respective of strength. and they probably respect -- strength. they can smell weakness from a mile away. when president trump vacillates and issues contradictory
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statements and insendry rhetoric, that's not strong. the chinese see that as a kind of weakness. and that emboldens them -- china for actions they may want to take. second, they definitely want some stability in the peninsula at all costs. i think that's partly why they have lots of troops massed in the region. it is entirely possible, i'm not saying that this is going to happen but it's entirely possible that if we, the united states, attempt a preemptive strike and you know what breaks looses in northern korea, china been potentially enter north korea. china will want to maintain control. that's a very real possibility. we talk a lot about u.s., north korean and south korean reactions and we don't spend enough time thinking about china's reactions. >> so you're thinking that china would militarily enter north
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korea? obviously china doesn't want a militarily unified korea angling towards the u.s., which is on their border with u.s. troops. but also the fear of instability is something that many people said china doesn't want. but you think there's a chance china would enter north korea? >> i'm saying china would not stand idly by. they will not just sit there and watch whatever may or may not unfold in north korea should the u.s. attempt a preemptive strike. china has been thinking about this for a long time. they're a very proud country. they want to maintain as much control in the region as possible. i'm just suggesting we have to spend more time analyzing china's actions should the u.s. attempt a preemptive strike. >> senator, what do you think about that? >> hello, anderson. max, good to see you. anderson, this issue is much beggar than north korea. we're now living in a world where we have to understand, north korea is going to have nuclear weapons. very soon, iran will, as well. which means rogue states,
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probably terrorist groups over the next decade. we have to determine what we're going to do about it. a missile defense is going to be key. we have some ground based missile defense now in california and alaska, some deployed in japan. but they could not take down a salvo, numerous missiles fired at one time. we have the technology, if we develop it, to create a basic umbrella that we could use around the world for ourselves and our allies to render nuclear weapons useless. it's going to take a while and a big investment. but we can no longer pretend that north korea is not going to have a nuclear weapon that can reach us. we can argue whether it's this month or next month, but we know they, as well as iran and a number of other nations will be there. so we need to get busy and get prepared. >> ambassador, just from a diplomatic perspective, is it wise for the president of the united states -- i mean, in past years the united states has basically tried to ignore the rhetoric coming out of north
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korea, the bellicose rhetoric as a way of ratcheting down things. for the president to respond by saying any more threats and those threats are undefined. i don't know whether he means verbal threats or actual military threats against the united states by north korea will have these very powerful and repercussions fire and fury is what he said. did that just ratchet up the situation or does north korea cower in front of strength of the u.s.? >> i think it's very unwise. to ratchet up the rhetoric to a point we're get too close to the tripping point where something disastrous might happen. there's too much diplomacy conducted in my judgment publicly. too up by twitter. these very serious issues have to be addressed privately talking with china privately and south korea privately and japan and our allies. we need a lot more third party
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bervention, backdooring indirect communication. we've talked a lot about secretary tillerson has in talking with north korea. i think that's wise. we're going to need some exploratory conversations first potentially from sweden or other countries before we can sit down and talk. but clearly we have to work more carefully and prudently and wisely in how we deal diplomatically with this very precarious situation. >> senator demint, do you think it was wise of the president to make this statement today, because rex tillerson, the statement he had made several days ago, seemed really kind of polar opposite in terms of kind of de-escalating the situation. >> well, president trump's comments is not the real issue here. president obama tried for eight years, speaking in very conciliatory, soft tones and we see where that ended up. so north korea is so consumed with paranoia, they assume whether trump says it or not,
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that we're ready to attack, the south koreans are ready to attack. it is a very precarious situation. but it is amazing that people are surprised after they've announced for the last decade they're going to do this. it's incredible as a country that's supposed to be a superpower that all the generals before me tonight said we've allowed them to get so strong, we can't mess with them militarily. that's an incredible position for us to be in. we've obviously not prepared and dealt with korea in a way that has kept this threat to a minimum. >> ambassador baucus, senator demint, thank you very much. i'm going to speak with a congresswoman who represents guam next. n i need to book a ho, i want someone who makes it easy. gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time. visit booking.yeah!
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after decades of fiery rhetoric from north korea, there's a new threat to american territory in the pacific, a potential threat coming from state-run north korean media, saying pyongyang is looking at plans to strike areas around guam with medium to long range strategic ballistic missiles. congresswoman, i appreciate you being with us. when you heard this verbal threat from north korea, how do you respond? >> thank you, anderson, thank you for thinking about us and having me on. i've been definitely concerned about this threat because we were threatened numerous times a few years ago. and we take it all very serious, particularly the people of guam. i was getting calls a few years ago, whether people thought they should move off the island. these are 168,000 american citizens living in guam.
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and we've been living with this for the last few years. recently, anderson, i talked with both secretary mattis and admiral harris about these, and they always tell me, madeleine, don't worry about it, we're going to keep guam safe, we're going to take good care of guam. i've kind of felt, you know, this is a good thing, they're going to take care of us. and at one time, a few years ago, i went to see secretary panetta when the threats were coming in quite seriously and often. and he decided to deploy the thaad missile defense on guam. then they talked about it not being permanent. again, i had to go through hearings in congress, please make this permanent. so we have the thaad missile defense out on guam, and it's
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currently operated by the army. so i've been told over and over, anderson, that, you know, they're looking at guam, they've got us within their vision, to take care of us. this has been very, you know, assuring to me. we have two large -- yes, go ahead. >> are people you talk to on guam, are they very concerned about this? is it a big topic of discussion today? >> they are very concerned because we've always known our position near north korea is much closer than the united states. so lately they've been talking more, north korea, kim jong un, has been talking about the united states. but in the early days, a few years ago, it was guam. and it was japan, and other regions. so we kind of -- you know, i've always been very, very concerned about this. i've told people. >> congresswoman bordallo, i appreciate talking to you tonight and i wish you the best on a difficult day for people if guam. thank you.
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breaking news tops this hour. reaction to a threat from the president to north korea that is a world apart from anything any president has said in more than 70 years. these are words we're talking about, not a call to arms, and it's hard to understand the thinking behind them. first, here is what the president said today. >> north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal statement. and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury, and frankly,