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bill, it's going to be anxious time for educators, students and especially parents. kate? >> martin, thank you so much. and thanks so much for joining us. president trump is about to take the stage at any moment in florida. with that, ac 360 starts now. good evening president trump is expected to take the stage any moment now at the base center in pensacola, florida. the event is being billed as make america great valley but roy moore senator rally. roy moore is accused of assault by several women that he denies. hundreds of how santhousands of alabamans could see this live or on tv tonight. before leaving washington president posted a long tweet that said vote for roy moore. and tonight for the president
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caps a journey with moore for silence, in part because according to cnn reporting there was concern by endorsing roy moore the sexual assault claims against the president would be surfaced. but that was a banned because the president defended roy moore denials. and doubts to confidents for the accusers. in the mid of this the president's daughter said there is a special place in held that prey on children. full throat at the accept ns vote roy moore. tonight the rally also ahead in interview you'll only see here a new voice coming forward, confirming one of the central accusers account against roy moore. and later new reporting tonight that the fbi warned close trump campaign adviser hope hicks about emails from russian operatives of the we begin tonight with caitlyn collins with the president in pensacola. what can we expect from tonight's speech?
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>> well, anderson, these rallies are often where the president is most authentic self. and as you know he rarely sticks to the script. and often ignores what his aides have put intel a prompt tea tel. they said he would getting as close as you can get. a hop skip and jump away from the alabama state line. and if the president shouted from that stage tonight you could probably hear it in mobile. now the white house has said they repeated that same argument tonight as they flew here to pensacola on air force one. >> as he has said, and as white house has said, we find these allegations to be troubling and concerning, and they should be taken seriously. but also maintain these allegations aren't true.
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that should also be taken into account. ultimately endorsement is about the issues and how he has articulated he doesn't want to see alabama elect a nancy pelosi, chuck schumer puppet who is going to be wrong on the issues and not support the agenda. >> now i understand that privately sources say the president doubts the women who have accused roy moore of sexual assault and publicly asked why they waited so long to come forward with these accusations. we also know that the president has compared this situation to his own last year during the presidential election when he himself was accused of sexual assault. now, roy moore will not be in this room tonight, but i've already spoken with a number of people here tonight who are alabama residents, they are voting in the election on tuesday. and we know that the moore campaign, anderson is actively encouraging their supporters to attend this rally in pensacola tonight. >> and roy moore one of the accusers spoke out tonight.
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what did she say? >> reporter: beverly nelson is a woman she says when she was 16 years old roy moore tried to grop her and squeeze her. and today during a press conference she was talking about the year book. roy moore signed her year book she says. and that's a lot of her critics have said it's a forgery. now gloria allred said the signature is roy moore. but what they ceased upon today is she did add the date and location underneath the signature. she maintains that roy moore signed the year book and allegations against him are true. but that his campaign and supporters have ceased upon that in saying it's ta forgery and she admitted she was lying. which she did not, anderson, but we have certainly seen that come out of that. and she says although she voted for donald trump she believes the prz is now putting party over these allegations.
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>> caitlyn collins thanks so much. joining us now is our panel. david, president trump going in for roy moore. do you believe his presence will have impact on the race? >> yes, i think it might. i think they went in with the expectation if they can rally people in pensacola, this is trump country he's in, he'll have a very excited positive crowd with him tonight, that will rub off in a sense they have momentum. so i think he's making a political calculation, his team is making a political calculation. but, you know, whether it's enough to pull the victory out, i don't know. but it is clearly, i think, he's taking a great risk to the party itself with the democrats like al franken going down and then going and endorsing roy moore in the midst of all of these accusations by a lot of women, that he was a predator, and
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throwing support to him, you know, only sharpens the differences between the parties. >> bill, you know alabama very well. it's where you work. what kind of impact do you think the president can have tonight? >> well, the president is very popular here in alabama. and pensacola might as well be south alabama for all intents and purposes. he's very popular. when he came here for luther strange moved the needle a little bit but not enough. this will help roy moore, because it gives those people that are on the fence a reason to vote for moore. >> gloria, if this might be alabama as bill was just saying, why not just go to alabama? i mean, i know when they announced this trip president trump hasn't fully endorsed moore but he has now. >> yeah, the white house said the president was too busy, that he wasn't going to go to alabama. and now of course they have changed their mind. so they are being kind of cute,
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you know, and they are in pensacola which as you guys pointed out is exactly the same thing. i think the president now thinks that roy moore has a good shot at winning. and he thinks that the seat is worth more than just about anything, including the republican party. and the question of how the republican party survives generally having embraced, having a president who embraces roy moore given the sexual questions that are confronting him. and so i think trump decided himself to go all in on this, even though it's right across the border. >> you know, bill, when you and i spoke last time on this show, you were saying that you had heard from some republicans in alabama who were just going to maybe sit it out. who didn't support roy moore. they weren't going to vote for a democrat. they were going to sit on the sidelines and not go out to vote. i'm wondering do you think the
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president being all in on this the way that he is that that will influence any of the republicans who might have previously decided to sit this one out? >> i think it does. you know, roy moore has always been a polarizing figure in alabama. i mean, he is not what we would call mainstream republican here. although he has been a republican for most of his career. donald trump, again, i'll reiterate, he's very popular. there are republicans that we have spoken to, and some in leadership throughout the state that say, look, don't want to vote for moore. they are to the going to vote for a democrat. so this gives them a reason to go out and vote because they'll say the president is behind him, i'm behind the president. >> yeah, this is about turnout. usually these kinds of elections don't get a lot of people motivated to go out and vote. and that's one thing i think donald trump can do. but i'll tell you there was a fox news poll in mid-november
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that had donald trump favorable and unfavorable almost split in the state which kind of surprised me. >> david, i mean it's not just donald trump know who is all in with roy moore. the rnc had reversed them self. they stopped funding then when the president came out with endorse mtd they started sending money back into roy moore. >> well, that's absolutely right. and what it under scores is the republican party is increasingly becoming the trump party. and it's leaving a lot of republicans uncomfortable especially those from other kinds of states outside the south. but i think that gloria was right, he thinks that getting the seat is worth it. what i do think by half is this notion i'm not going to go to alabama but yet i'm going to come to the border. and i support roy moore, but i really think that we must take these accusations very seriously. you know, i think his supporters don't mind that kind of
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trickery, but drives people like us crazy. because it's obviously, you know, you are obviously going to alabama country to make your speech. come on, get over it. you are obviously endorsing this guy even though you say you find it troublesome. >> gloria. >> if he's in alabama, he's going to have a picture with roy moore. because you can't go to the guy's state without the picture. the picture is going to be worth a lot of money to the democrats. so what he's doing is he's going to florida because he said he wasn't going to go to alabama so he doesn't have to be with roy moore on stage, but the message is the same and gets across. >> and, bill, what about doug jones, what about kind of the level of support you are seeing? obviously, alabama should go to republican in the senate race. the fact that it's close is very telling. but what do you make of doug jones chances? >> well, again, i've spoken to a lot of people, democrats, republicans, independents, people on the ground here in
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alabama, and while doug jones did something heroic 30 some years ago, he has not been a leading political figure in alabama. at any point in recent memory. so sadly i have to say today this was the democrat that was willing to lose to luther strange and then that didn't happen, we know what happened there. doug jones is a nice guy. he's a good liberal democrat. liberal democrats just don't win in alabama. but he does have a real shot here. >> david, gloria, appreciate it. we are keeping our eye on the rally. also when we come back talking to an old friend of cork comes comes up happened with roy moore. later another report detailing russian efforts to trump confident hope hicks. tell you how seriously the fbi took it at the time.
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however, safe to say anything they have gone through is compounded when their account after all was their nightmare was questioned. in the case of roy moore repeatedly and loudly. let's look at leigh corfman she's made some serious allegations against roy moore in "the washington post" and yesterday on the soft interview on the "today" show. we reject them as false and continue to maintain judge roy moore did not know leigh corfman. but what we find interesting is her story has been told in only the vague us of terms without any deeper investigation by the media. if the liberal media were half as interested in investigating these accusations against judge moore as they are in scaring up 1980 era false gossip at the gadsden mall then we would be getting to the bottom of this and moving on. we urge the press to do the job. >> under the heading of the press doing the job, we have
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this story, located a woman old friend of leigh corfman who says she can corroborate her story and speaking out first time on tonight. >> betsy lives in california but grew up in gadsden, alabama, the hometown of judge roy moore. >> this is me, and almost below me is leigh corfman. >> leigh corfman who said roy moore alleged her when she was 14 years old girl. roy moore denies. >> this is one of the friends she told at the time. >> lee and i have green up together. i have known her since we were babies. >> she confided something to you when you were 14 years old. what did she tell you? >> she told me she snuck out of her house and went on a date with roy moore and he had sexually assaulted her. >> after she told you this, what was your understanding of who he was in the community? >> he was like a big lawyer.
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he was a powerful guy. he was supposed to put criminals in jail. >> lan did she tell you how old he was? >> i knew he was a lot older. i don't know that she said he was 32, but i knew he was twice her age. >> what did she tell you he did to her? >> i remember her saying that he made a pallet on the floor, maybe with blankets, something like that, and i remember her saying that he came out of her room in nothing but tidy white ease which is what we used to call jockey underwear. >> and what happened then. >> they started to full around. and he guided her to -- it's like he, you know, he was trying to teach her what to do. and she didn't want any part of it. and she told him so. >> is it your memory that when she told you about it, she was
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scared or didn't understand what was going on? >> i wouldn't use scared. but definitely creeped out. >> so when she told you this, what did you say to her? >> i said you cannot see him again. this is not good. he's too old for you. you are too young for him. you have your life ahead of you. you know, you have to go to college and, you know, live your life. >> were you mature enough at 14 to realize howdy bill tating psychologically mentally this cob for a 14 year old child to be with a man over 30 years old? >> i don't think i understood that. but what my mother had already said to me and drilled it into my head, in terms of sex, men take what they want and it's always the women's fault. and i knew if she went down the path she would be blamed and she was the one that was going to be left. and it wasn't going to affect him at all so i told her she was my friend, get out. this is no good. >> he was asking her to go out
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again? >> that's my understanding, yes. >> and she was asking you for advice how she should handle it? >> yeah. it was just like no, absolutely not. >> after she told you about this, what happened on the floor, on this mattress, or whatever it was, did you discuss at all telling any adults, your parents about what happened? >> i'm not sure that we discussed it. but i know that we knew that we weren't going to tell anybody. >> why is that? >> we felt like we were equipped to handle it. we had decided it wasn't a good idea, nobody wanted to get in trouble, and we didn't know if anybody would believe us. >> betsy davis and her husband charley live in los angeles and are the parents of two boys. he says he's known about this for a long time. >> when did your wife first tell but this? >> shortly after i met my wife i met leigh corfman and from that point i knew she had an incident. i didn't know who roy moore was
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at the beginning but that came out overtime. >> how long was that? >> 19 years. >> betsy davis says she is a democrat but. >> i'm not here to roem down. i'm here to hold my friend up. >> and regarding unproven allegations that women speaking out are doing it for money? >> did anyone pay you to talk to us? democrats? >> no. >> any establishment republicans? >> no. and i ran, i cannot tell you how many phone calls i've declined. how many messages i haven't returned. >> why why are you talking to us now? >> because at the end of the day, i need to set an example for my kids. and one of those examples is to stand up for the truth and to stand up for my friend. >> joins us now. betsy davis says she's known about this for almost four decades. has she ever considered speaking publicly what she knew from "the washington post" article? >> what she told me as roem has
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gotten more prominent, felt ethical to speak out. however, when she said roy moore was running for senate speech, have i to speak out. she talked to a close family friend who said you should not do it. this is not your story. then when leigh corfman spoke out it was time for her to speak out too. >> thanks very much. >> back to bill, at this point in alabama, election is on tuesday, do you think people's minds are made up no matter who comes forward? >> well, i think at this point you are probably right. minds are barely set. i mean, one more corroboration, i think, it helps that those who sitting on the fence, it might help them make a decision. but i think at this point the dye is cast, you'll know sometime probably around 9:00
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your time what's going to happen to the state of alabama and to roy moore and doug jones. >> you know, poles are obviouslily showing it's close. but as we know in polls with controversial candidates people don't want to say if they are going to vote for that person. do you think it's as close as it looks or do you think roy moore has a good lead? >> i've talked to some folks a lot smarter than me t and they say that it's within the margin of error the way they see it. however, we have also talked to people who have traveled the state. our reporters we have eight reporters on the ground. they have been going to republican meetings across the state and they say that when you go to a republican meeting, they are voting for moore. and the question is much like what gloria said, who gets up, december 12th, right before the holidays and goes to vote. roy moore supporters are going to go vote. he's got a dye hard 30, 35% and
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they will get up, hell or high water and cast the vote for roy moore. so it's just too close to call gauging by polls. i mean, you know what we saw with president trump when he was running. i wouldn't predict if i had to, held a gun to my head, i would say moore sweeps. >> it's an interesting point enthusiasm, who has more enthusiasm on their side. and i guess the question is, you know, as you say, roy moore supporters are enthusiastic and die hard in their believes for him by 35% or so. and they want to go out, they want to go out and vote. the question is, is their enthusiasm on the other side for a doug jones or enough enthusiasm against roy moore? >> i don't think there is that great enthusiasm for doug jones. i mean, i like doug, but just like me, he's another aging
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white guy that somebody wants to go to washington. and so there is little enthusiasm. we have some powerful, young, young progressives down here, if they were in this seat right now they would probably kill him. because there is enthusiasm. you look at what's happened in birmingham with the new mayor there, look at selma and the mayor turning that city around. we have some great leaders coming out of the south. they just didn't get the shot because they didn't want to take it against probably losing. >> yeah. bill, appreciate it again. thanks very much. more now from our political panel now. tara, the fact one of roy moore accusers has admitted to altering the year book entry in which she says he signed adding the location and date, i'm wondering how damaging is that to her credibility if you think it is? >> i think it gives fuel to the roy moore supporters and those
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that screamed fake news. it's part of the echo chamber of people down there. i don't think it's going to change those who were already sus spi suspicious of roy moore, i think it em boldens those behind him. it doesn't change the context or the fact that he wrote in her year book. he signed it love roy. i just wished he would have said she added to it. i don't think it's unreasonable so you have it so she could remember. but unfortunately given the big deal that was made and the very emotional press conference that she had when she was describing it, i think it just would have been better if they admitted it at the time. but i don't think it's going to change it either way, just give fodder to the side that's already in roy moore corner
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unfortunately. >> brian to tara point, if she is telling the truth, it's kind of a huge oversight for her, but especially for her attorney gloria allred not to have raise thad initial ed that initially and said this other stuff was added in. because any time you make a statement and come back a second time and alter the original statement you made, it just doesn't help your credibility. >> agreed. and that's unfortunate reality here. i grew he with everything tara said. it doesn't discredit this woman's account in my higeyes b used for fuel. and i'll tell you another thing roy moore and donald trump supporters will troblly say should roy moore prevail in this election next tuesday, they'll say it was litigated in the course of the campaign and voters in alabama have spoken and now he's going to take his right full seat in the senate. and i'll make a prediction, i don't think that's going to be the case. even if he should win on tuesday, i don't know how close it is in alabama, but should he
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win, i think he'll come to washington and he'll be a walking, talking pr disaster for the republican party. he'll be stopped in the halls of the senate day after day. he will be a walking controversy every day. republican senators taken positions in the course of this campaign saying he doesn't belong in the senate and should be an ethics committee should he gets here held to the word. and he's a nut job. even before these allegations came to light, he said that people like keith ellison shnt be in congress because we shouldn't have muslim americans in congress. so he's going to be continuing to add fuel to the fire. i think this is going to be a nightmare for the republican party. should be held to account. and tuesday should not be the final word on roy moore as senator even if he should prevail. >> jack, i know you campaigned for his opponent luther strange who did not win. roy moore did win in that primary. do you think it's going to have ramifications for the republican
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party assuming he wins? >> i think it will. i think brian is right. there wi there will be a double gift. he's a gift to the candidate because he's certainly a flawed candidate. and i'm just speaking politically here. but if i was the democrat party i would say, oh, do you think he has a right to vote on this particular bill that effects women's rights or children's rights? so the democrats are not going to let this go. and i don't think republicans would either if the shoe was on the other foot. i do want to say something though, anderson, i spoke to some people from alabama today and they agreed with what bill bret just said, in their opinion the polls aren't necessarily telling the story. the polls are showing a really strong win for roy moore at this time. but i think a lot of discerning people who are having second thoughts about it. and one of the factors that's out there is that mr. jones is on the tv nonstop, and although
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the republican party has lightly put in money, it was i think total of $170,000, i think jones is out spending him three or four to 1. in fact one of my friends said it looks like ohio or florida in presidential election, swing state with all the ads that jones is able to run. so i don't know. if the rural voters get out, it's going to help moore. but we are not sheern what thcet intensity. >> also tonight the latest reporting on the fbi gave hope hicks earlier this year about russian operatives. ♪when sundoy i want to hide a while behind your smile ah, but i may as well try and catch the wind♪ our mission is to make off-shore wind one of the principle new sources of energy.
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president talking tonight in pensacola right by the alabama border pointing to the improvement in economy. so far nothing about roy moore. just four days from the senate race in alabama. this morning we mentioned he tweeted vote roy moore. as reminder any before sexual assault allegations came out against roy moore. in march 2005 moore said homosexual conduct should be illegal and suggested 9/11 might have happened because the u.s. had distanced from god you know
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we suffered a lot in this country, maybe because we distanced ourselves. back in 2016, whether president obama was born in the u.s., my personal belief is he wasn't. in 2006 moore argued that the first muslim elected to congress, keith ellison shouldn't fb allowed to be sworn into the office with the koran. congress has the authority and should act to prohibit ellison from taking the congressional oath today. this past august 14th he told a reporter quote there are communities under sharia law in our country. also this august told reporter reagan description of soviet union quote we promote a bad of things like same sex marriage. finally on september 17 in
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response to a question by african-american at a rally moore said he thought the last time he thought america was great at a time when americas were united. moore added we had a direction. back now with the panel. jack, it is interesting given all that moore has said, and, again, you were campaigning for luther strange, so you are not out in front for roy moore, but given all that he has stayed, he has stayed away, other than the comment on slavery, stayed away from repeating any of those statements in recent months. and when we had a spokeswoman on just the other day, she either wasn't willing to or was unable to say whether he stoill stood y those statements. >> you know, it was interesting, i saw your interview with her, and i was wondering does she not know or is she staying on
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message by not saying anything at all. and one of the things that strikes me on these statements i think most politics would love to catch their opponents saying outrageous things and pound them over and over again chblt. i don't think jones did that. i think he should say this guy has pedophile issues, but beyond that let me talk to you about other things. and i don't think he developed that the way he could. and instead i think what has happened is moore stuck with this is about supreme court judges. this is about pro life versus pro choice. this is about pro gun versus anti-gun. and i think unfortunately that's the home turf for alabama voters. and jones did not pull them into this area, which i think he should have done. >> if brian does roy moore win, is it something they hang their hat on for democrats, this could
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be political fodder for them, at some point there is going to be a photograph of trump, if he becomes senator, there will be a photograph of them together? >> i said i would like a democrat senator in jones than longer victory by allowing roy moore to ascend to a u.s. senate seat. but if he does win, should he get to washington, i think that the democrats will be on strong footing in arguing this is the mainstreaming of trump's wing of the republican party taking over the gop. this is not your father's republican party anymore. and a lot of the statements and most controversial things that have come out of roy moore are really trump position taken to extreme. when donald trump campaigns on muslim ban, preventing muslims from entering the country in the
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united states, when roy moore comes out even more unha bashed and says they should be allowed to serve in the united states congress. so it will be quite easy for democrats to campaign and even republican leaning districts in orange country, california, in the outer suburbs in philadelphia, in new jersey where republicans are in moderate districts and say are you going to vote republican back into congress so they can carry out the trump, roy moore agenda. that will be credible attack, and ring true to moderate leaning voters. >> are you surprised extent to which the president has gone all in on roy moore? because he was overseas when she's allegations first surfaced, said, look, his people said he was focused on his trip overseas, wasn't read in on all the stuff going ton. but once he came back and time went by, he clearly became more
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focused on it and ultimately is all in on moore. >> i think they were waiting to see whether roy moore pushed back, whether he had a credible defense, which most people outside of alabama and the white house felt as though he has not. but we have to step back and take a look at this. am i surprised that trump ended up endorsing him? no. because if donald trump criticized roy moore for what he's accused of, and for how he's handling it, then that would inherently be hypocritical on his point given the accusations against him. so there would be a concession. because it could be turned around on him. let's think about that, right now we have someone who is a lying lunatic, credibly accused child predator with the endorsement of the president of the united states and the republican national committee. this is a sad day for not only
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america but fort republican par party. and no matter what happens on tuesday, whether he wins or not, the stain will be on the republicans, you know, clot for a long time. and it's not a win for any one. and the republican party needs to seriously take a look at itself and determine what kind of party we want to be. because i can already see the ads going on in 2018, doing republicans with roy moore and what moral high ground do we have. >> one thing remember, tara, we'll resurrect a lot of the things your candidates have said. >> i'm a republican. what are you talking about? you forgot because conservatives and republicans have lost their frequenting minds and don't remember what it means to be republican and compromise them selves. >> but i'm saying both parties have extreme candidates. i would not just say that the lying lune tive friends belongs
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to anybody. and i don't believe that that's the case. >> they don't have a child predator on their list. at least they have taken the high ground and gotten rid of some of their accusers. >> only because they had to. tara. >> they did it. better late than never. >> conyers was an icon a week ago. remember that. >> and he resigned. >> thanks very much. when we come back, the breaking news from "the new york times" about president trump top adviser hop hicks what fbi warnings they gave her about russians trying to contact her next. and the paths they took to a new home. could their journey inspire yours? order your kit at coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the #1 brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp.
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house and told her she's emails they weren't what they seemed and may have been part of a russian intelligence operation. all of that is according to "the new york times" this was a very specific warning. and it shows that law enforcement was really alarmed that the russians were still trying to establish contacts with the trump team even after the election and anderson, we know hope hicks disclosed her meetings to white house don mcbegan and met with special counsel robert mueller team today as well as russian probe. >> what did you learn about manafort and rick gates? >> they have 400,000 documents in this case against manafort, against gates. they include financial records, emails, and they have labeled 2,000 of those documents as, quote, hot, meaning that they may be particularly relevant. so the government also has disclosed has 36 electronic devices, those received from paul manafort's home.
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and investigators in this case has also issued in total 15 search warrants. and anderson, this part is interesting, in the court filings today the government referenced that manafort and gates, they have also given deposition testimony in another matter. but prosecutors aren't saying what that means, but this case is moving full steam ahead. the next hearing is monday. >> thanks very much. joining me cnn analyst zelden who is special assistant they justice department. and gloria borger. michael the fact that the reporting from "the new york times" briefed hope hicks about russians trying to contact her, what does that tell you? >> well, that means the russians are, as our intelligence agency vs. reported for months, actively engaged in the trump campaign or endeavor go to engage in order to sway the outcome of the election. and also once they were elected
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to set, help set policy, and we see that in the flynn outreach around sanctions, and the settlements in israel. and so it just proves, in part, that there was this outreach. i think our reporting is that we had 12 trump associates with contacts with russia during the campaign or transition. 19 face-to-face meetings. 51 communications between russians or russian representatives and campaign or transition officials. so it's a lot of contact here. and hope hicks is just another person who has been reached out to. we have to say, of course, that we have no indication that she did anything wrong. and in fact we are told that she went to see don mcbegan white house counsel to report the fbi briefings, not the communications themselves, but the briefings. so she may be have a good legal
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place to land. but i think, anderson, you can't deny there was an out reach, and in some respects there was a reach back by the campaign to these russians or russian surrogates and it's something that mueller will have to figure out, whether it was illegal and a conspiracy to impact the federal election commission, or not. >> gloria, i think michael point is important, that nothing in this reporting by "the new york times" indicates that hicks did anything improper at all. it is clear these russian operatives were trying to get as close as they could to the president by reaching 0 utah to obviously one of his closest confidants. >> sure. hope hicks was somebody in the campaign, in the transition, and her office is right outside the oval office of the she's close to the president. she's a confidant of the president. she's at the center of a lot of meetings. she is somebody who is a trusted adviser. and i think it might also indicate, by the way, how clumsy
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they are, to be honest. i mean, here they were trying to in filtrate perhaps through people like george papadopoulos, who has been called a coffee boy by people, by people until side the campaign. and it seems to me that there was this kind of never ending effort to try and get inside. i think sending hope hicks emails is kind of a weird way to do it, as if she would respond in kind to these things. but we don't know. and, again, as you point out, there is no indication she's done anything wrong. but there is an indication, at least according to the fbi, that she may have been a target of some russians trying to get some influence in to gloria's point, though, you wouldn't have expected donald trump jr. to entertain a call from wikileaks nor from ron goldstock to get a meeting on dirt. and so if that's the standard
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that's been set or if that's the level of the bar, then maybe they reach out to hope hicks to see whether she's in the don jr. camp or some other camp. >> michael, hick was reportedly interviewed today and yesterday by mueller's team. i imagine they want to get to the bottom of who crafted the trump tower statement. he communicated with her and not the president about that response. >> in some sense, if all roads lead to rome, as they expression goes, in some sense, hope hicks is rome. so much stuff goes through her as the conduit between outsiders and the president that she sits in a particularly important seat for mueller. with respect to the air force one memo, the testimony that junior just gave on the 6th of december was that as they were crafting the response to the june 9th meeting, he was communicating with hope hicks who was communicating with his
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father who was then communicating back to trump jr. and his lawyer so they can create a statement which, as it turned out, was not truthful. >> gloria borger, thank you. coming up -- the latest on six large wildfires that are ripping through southern california. nearly 200,000 people that had to leave their homes so far. we'll get an update next. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,... ...isn't it time to let the real you shine through? maybe it's time for otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months,... ...with reduced redness,... ...thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has...
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more than 5,000 firefighters are trying to get six large wildfires under control in southern california. the weather not expected to help matters this weekend. dry air, strong winds are in the forecast through sunday. fires have already forced nearly 200,000 people out of their homes. officials are saying everyone else in the region needs to be ready. even hundreds of thoroughbreds, elite race horses, were caught up in the flames. they were set free from their barn so they could escape. trainers reported hearing
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animals scream as they ran away. it's hard to imagine. sara sidner joins us with more on the firefight. what's happening where you are, sara? >> terrible images here. this is after the fire has burned through the city of ventura. this particular naireighborhoodt so hard. i counted 20 homes around me that have been burned to the ground. there are 400 homes in this fire. homes and structures that have been destroyed. 85 damaged. and we have certainly been hearing stories of people running literally for their lives waiting to get out of the path of the fire. some people heeded the warnings. others decided to wait and that waiting very, very dangerous. but so far we have not gotten a single account of a fatality yet from fire officials. that is the good news, if you will. but for many of the folks here, they are just devastated, looking at their neighborhoods where house after house after house has been burned to the
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ground. i can give you some quick numbers. you talked about 5,000 fire personnel across southern california. 3200 of that personnel is here in this county alone. 21 helicopters trying to douse these flames. that are still raging, anderson. it is a scary sight when you see the flame rolling down the hill as it has been doing going both down some hills and up others, hitting very, very close to the city of ojai today. they were able to battle it back but that's been extremely dangerous. and there is so much destruction, it will be a huge, costly figure once this is all done. >> can you talk about containment? how much of this fire is contained? >> only 10%. and that's the good news. they thought they were going to be dealing with a zero percent again because the santa ana winds have been so strong. but today those winds subsided. these fires, because they're so large and so incredibly powerful, they create their own weather systems that can just
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roll through areas. but they are still at just 10%. they think that this could burn through the end of december. something like the 24th, potentially right before christmas. >> sara sidner, thanks. coming up, the latest from pensacola, florida where the president is speaking after endorsing roy moore for senate.
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