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>> thank you. >> and thank you for being here. >> good to see you, david. >> for more of my conversation with whoopie, you can visit itunes.com/axefiles. we are live in the "cnn newsroom." great to have you with us. members of the congress all still debating friday's bombshell news they had been bracing for for days. tonight president trump is now offering his own strong opinion on the impact of the nunez moment mow tweeting earlier this totally vindicates trump. but the russian witch hunt goes on and on. there is no collusion or obstruction. after one year of looking
endlessly and finding nothing, collusion is dead. this is an american disgrace. you may recall earlier this week cnn reported that the president had been calling friends and making similar claims. he told them the memo would reveal top officials are biassed against him. i want to get straight to boris sanchez in west palm beach where the president is spending another weekend. his tweets appear to confirm that the president's motivation in releasing this memo was to undermine the russia investigation, to show bias at the fbi. >> precisely, anna. we should note the president was, again, on twitter just a few moments ago. i want to pull up the latest tweets from the president because he is, again, discussing that memo. he writes, quote, great jobs numbers and finally after many years rising wages and nobody talks about them. only russia, russia, russia, despite the fact after the year of looking there is no collusion. the president goes on to
apparently cite "the wall street journal" saying that that four page memo on friday releases a disturbing fact about how the fbi and fisa have been used to influence the 2016 election saying there is an anti-trump group of political actors that worked against the president during the campaign. there is a disparity between what we're hearing from this president regarding the nunes memo and other republicans who have assured the public that the release of the memo has more to do with transparency than the russia investigation. i want to play some sound for you right now from paul ryan. >> this memo is not indictment of the fbi, of the department of justice. it does not impugn the mueller investigation or the deputy attorney general. >> the president clearly going his own direction on this
swiftly through a series of tweets, negating everything his allies have said and making it clear he believes this memo is evidence of bias against him by investigators at the department of justice and the fbi. and in his eyes lending credence to his claim this is a witch hunt. this isn't the only disparity we have seen in the white house in just the past 48 hours. the president was asked yesterday about the future of deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and whether the president had confidence in his deputy ag, who was mentioned in that memo that the president said people should be ashamed of themselves for when speaking about that memo, the president said that reporters should figure out for themselves whether or not he had confidence in rosenstein. deputy press secretary was on cnn last night. kind of walking back the president's statements. listen to this sound bite. >> well, i'm saying it on behalf of the white house. that's that no changes are going to be made at the department of justice. we fully expect rod rosenstein
to continue on as the deputy attorney general. >> much more of an endorsement of rod rosenstein that we heard from the president. we should tell you that sources familiar with the president's thinking tell cnn that at this point there is no consideration of firing rosenstein because the president fears taking that step may prolong the russia investigati investigation. that is clearly not something he wants. of course we have to point out we have heard many times from this administration before votes of confidence in several administration officials who are ultimately swiftly shown the door. anna? >> indeed. boris, thank you for that report. i want to get straight to your panel. with us, samantha, ryan lizz and elizabeth foley.
how did they obtain the fisa warrant and what they used to apply for that to surveil carter page. so how does the memo, a, vindicate the president and, b, prove the fbi actually tried to influence the election? >> well, i think the most suspicious thing here is the timing of getting that fisa warrant. some time around mid-october of 2016, just on the eve of the presidential election because doj has a long standing policy that it doesn't pursue investigations of ongoing campaigning until after the election is over. and the reason they have that policy is because if it leaks out that that kind of investigation is ongoing on the eve of a campaign, it can have significant influence on the campaign. and, so, you have to say to yourself why did the fbi ignore its long-standing policy here, not only and seek that fisa warrant right before the election itself but also why did
they leak it out at least a month ahead of time and go to the hill in august and brief congressional members on the republican and democratic side about it? so you say, what was the emergency with carter paige? if you look at that steel dossier, if you look at the july 19th memo, and i encourage everyone to look this up themselves, there is only one page that discusses carter paige. and it only has two allegations in it. both of which are based on hearsay, which means that somebody is saying they heard this, but they didn't directly hear it themselves. >> let me stop you for a second because i don't want to get our viewers confused. we're talking about the nunez memo. to your point about the times of the surveillance of carter page, it is also worth noting when they decided to surveil him, it was after he was no longer a member of the trump campaign. and the nunes memo also points
out that it wasn't the steel dossier that opened the investigation into russia election meddling into some counter terrorism investigation to begin with because -- or counter intelligence investigation, rather, to begin with because they say in the memo it was information given to the fbi or to international members in australia, apparently, about what pap dop louse was telling that russian diplom diplomat. >> if you would let me finish, look, first of all he has nothing to do with it. you can't establish probable cause on carter paige to spy on him unless you have some connection between the two. there is no connection between the two. >> it is cited in the nunes memo. that is part of the intelligence packet put together to get the surveillance on carter paige. but we don't know, elizabeth,
what other documents or intel there was because we don't have the classified information that was part of that fisa warrant application. >> we know what is in the steel dossier dossie dossier. it has two allegations. one, in july 2016 when he went to moscow to give a public speech about economics, he was approached by a guy who was an oil company executive who said he was hoping that if trump became president there would be a lessening of sanctions. there is nothing illegal about that. and the steel dossier says, and i'll quote to you, that paige was noncommittal in response. second allegation was someone else approached carter paige during the same trip and said they had -- on both hillary clinton and donald trump, again, not illegal about that. neither one of those two things combined together creating probable cause that carter paige
was an agent of russia. and there was an investigation in 2015 where carter paige cooperated with the fbi to try to get a russian agent out of the country. they approached him. they called him an idiot. they told him to go f himself. this is all in court filings. he cooperated extensively and helped get the russian out of the country. so the fbi's prior history with carter paige was quite favorable and did not suggest in any way that he was a russian agent. >> we do know that the fbi was looking into his connections to the russians as far back as 2013, elizabeth. and we don't know what they used in that dossier to get the fisa warrant or if the dossier was something that was a big part of the intelligence. >> which is exactly why we need to see it. >> okay. let me bring in samantha in terms of your thoughts. >> my thoughts from the memo and this conversation are that we need to let the fbi do their job. we're having a discussion here
and dissecting every single line in a memo that is a snapshot of information that was provided to a fisa court when the fbi inspector general should investigate any allegations of wrongdoing. and the bottom line from all this is that vladimir putin is doing a victor lap right now. he's probably the weekend off and thinking, wow, with a couple of bots and trolls and amplifying retweets about release the memo, he has the entire country captivated by a three and a half page memo instead of talking about, for example, how we're going to secure our state level election infrastructure. that's a massive risk going forward. >> ryan, after you saw this memo, it clearly has been a huge deal to the president. do you see it that way, or do you understand why some people around the president were cautioning him that this might not be worth crossing his fbi director about? >> we didn't earn anything new
about the memo. though, it confirmed a lot of reporting out there. the most important thing we learned is that the reporting into russia's influence and ties to the trump campaign happened in july of 2016. or excuse me started in july of 2016. and, therefore, the dossier from steel had nothing to do with the origins of this investigation. i think there is an interesting question, i suppose, about whether carter paige, the application to carter paige -- to surveil carter paige was legitimate. this memo doesn't really help us get to that place and answer that question. to do that we'd actually have to see the entire application. but, remember, the surveillance had to be renewed every 90 days. it was renewed three times. and my understanding of how you get those renewals is you have to go back to the judge and you have to show that the surveillance is actually fruitful. >> right.
>> so that's important. i think one of the important things here is are any of the judges -- and i'm pretty sure it is more than one judge that allowed this surveillance to happen the first time and through renewals. will any of those judges come forward and say, well, we don't like what the fbi did here. will any of them be as outraged as some of the republicans are. and, you know, if we want to know the full story, we have to see the original application. but my view of the memo is it is sort of interesting. it is interesting to learn about the fisa process. but it tells you little about the mueller investigation and it certainly doesn't undermine it in the way the white house i think hoped it did. >> to the point about the renewals, james clapper also made the point that he says that in this case i understand the instant issue was the extension of a fisa authorization, which would indicate that the original
fisa order was producing something of value. there has to be layers of approval corroborating evidence and the court, more importantly, has to approve it. do you think we'll actually get a chance to see the fisa warrant? would they be able to declassify that? >> i think it would be very difficult. i think that we have to walk a fine line here between transparency and the inspector general, for example, at the fbi doing their job and investigating any allegations of wrongdoing. again, if there are allegations of wrongdoing, they should be investigated. but there is a reason that the fisa process is classified. i disagree with calls for all the sources for the warrant and for the renewals to be made public. informs that could be, for example, if it is from a foreign intelligence course or could put sources and methods at risk.
i think we need to be less cavalier about let's look at all the information involved in the file and let the appropriate people do their jobs. >> we do know that there was another memo that hasn't been made public yet from the democrats that wanted to counter what they saw as some misleading points that were within this memo that was, again, written by, released by and compiled by republicans. it was declassified by a republican president as well. what do you think ant tbout thet they didn't release those at the same time with the democrats and the republicans? >> i think the reason they didn't is because the democratic process was further behind in terms of time line. it has to go through a process. the republican process was further along. i'm confident that it will be released. i think that's a really good thing. i think more sunlight on this is better all around. there are ways you can review the fisa application and perhaps
the transcript and ex parte meeting with the judge and redact the sources and methods. look, we heard that the sky was going to fall and that there were sources and methods going to be revealed in this nunez memo that didn't turn out to be true. i think what we need to do as americans, if we are concerned about civil liberty, we need full sunshine on this. just ask yourself if you were the person who was surveilled and had this warrant obtained against you, would you want -- would you think it was appropriate to be surveilled on a slim read of evidence as far as we know. all we know from the nunez memo it was the steel dossier plus the yahoo! news story that vieded the primary basis for getting this warrant. i think the american people need to know what it is. >> the president's hand picked
fbi director said he had grave concerns about this memo being released because he said omissions made it inaccurate, ryan. >> that's right. look, you know, i was always in favor of this memo is not going to be the end of the world, you know, journalist. if there is a secret memo out there, i want to see it. so i was a little bit skeptical of official government position on this being so secretive that sources and methods would lead to some kind of the sky is falling scenario. on the other hand, i find this argument that republicans are doing this because they care about the civil liberties and they care about fisa reform. i find it really disingenuous. i mean, the patriot act and fisa has been debated recently in congress. there were a lot of civil libertarians out there saying if you want to reform fisa, the first thing you do is have an independent advocate who works
on behalf of the targeted person who can go against the government when they go against that judge. that doesn't really exist right now. there are all sorts of reforms if you want to reform this very powerful fisa court. but let's be honest. that's not what this debate is about. this is about a partisan -- some part son actors trying to come up with reasons. and they haven't been very successful in my view so far of undermining a really serious investigation into the president of the united states. and, so, i really don't buy this civil libertarian argument that everyone is crying for carter paige's civil liberties. if republicans, especially nunes and some of these guys on the intelligence committee, if they really cared about that, they would put proposals forward to reform the fisa process. that's not what this is about. >> thank you all for your perspecti perspective. coming up, so how are republicans on the intel committee reacting to the
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president thrum says it vindicates him in the investigation of possible russian collusion. a short time ago i spoke to republican congressman mike turner, a member of the house intelligence committee who wanted this memo to go public. he told me the core of the memo, that improper protocol was used to thorsz a trump aid's wiretap is what the american people need to see. >> there is nothing at all that is going to contradict that hillary clinton campaign funded material were used as evidence in a court case, nothing. all the other information that the democrat party and their memorandum and the fbi might want to become public should become public and part of the discussion. but i believe republican,
democrat, whether it is hillary clinton or trump or whether it's obama and romney, no administration, no administration should use campaign material from another presidential campaign and use it as evidence in a court case against the other presidential campaign. it is a threat to democracy. it is wrong. i would like to hear the fbi say he believes it is wrong to be assigned to a case that has a family member involved in the case. those would go a long way because there are going to have to be some reforms in order for us to ensure that doesn't happen again. >> let me ask you about the president's tweet this morning. he says this memo totally vindicates trump. but the russian witch hunt goes on and on. there was no collusion. there was no obstruction and you can read the rest there on your screen. do you believe this vindicates trump in the mueller investigation? >> no. this memo isn't about the
special counsel's investigation. it is about the one incident of hillary clinton campaign materials being used in a court case. that's it. that's the message that is out there that we need to address. we need to reform this so that we don't have this happen again because when you blur those lines, you threaten democracy. >> when you talk about reform and accountability in this, what about rod rosenstein? he was listed as one of the people in the memo who reauthorized the fisa warrant against carter paige. what do you think is his future? what if the president decides to fire him? would you support it? >> no. i think what needs to happen is the discussion about what the content of the memo is with the campaign materials being used. you know, director comey, you know, when he was director, he not only knew but believed it's okay. he tweeted out afterwards when the memo came out that that's it.
he believes it's okay for hillary clinton campaign materials funded by that campaign to make their way as evidence into this court case. >> let me stop you there for a second because director comey is not there. director comey is gone. >> he tweeted that out and he said that's it. >> a lot of people have been demoted and called into question. >> right. so there is a culture -- >> excuse me. just a moment, please. i want to make sure we get back to it because i am very short on time here. i want to get a quick answer. do you stand behind rod rosenstein? >> i think we have to look at the whole job he's doing. i see no reason why he would not be supported. i don't think this memo has anything to do with that. i think it has to do with the crux of protecting democracy and the culture that james comey thought was okay, using campaign materials as evidence, stops. i think the current director could come forward and say i think this is wrong.
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incidents with the one-time powerful movie producer, one of which got frighteningly physical. okay. so, brian, we have now known for months that uma likely had a story to tell, given that they do have a history. but what are we learning about what she's now alleging. >> she says there were two physical assaults, what she calls sexual attacks. this is notable partly because of their past, their careers they had but also because, you know, she had been interviewed on the red carpet a couple of times between october when the scandal broke and now and she avoided questions about weinstein. she said i will talk about this at a time and place of my choosing. you could tell she was angry and had something to say. in this interview she says she has some regrets. this happened to her in the
1990s. he went on to harass other women for decades. she wonders if she could have done more to stop him. >> and his camp at least responding. >> yes. his lawyers and representatives came out admitting there was some incident in rlondon and paris. it says mr. weinstein acknowledges making an awkward pass in england after misreading her signals. this was after a flirtatious exchange in paris for which he apologized. however, her claims about being physically assaulted are untrue. this is the first we have heard of this. look at the photos of them together. they are all smiling together in the photos. >> in fact, i do want to read that part of this statement as s well. this is the first time we are hearing that she considered mr. weinstein an enemy and the pictures tell a completely
different story. talking about pictures that were released along with that statement that show them posing together and they were happy, at least looked friendly in the pictures. what do you make of this defense? >> i think the defense is reprehensible. i think that anyone who understands how this industry works is that you oftentimes have to work with people that you don't like, but you have to smile for the cameras. we all know that. the fact that these women were able to put on a brave face inspite of the fact they have been sexually assaulted by this monster is a testament to their strength and not the fact that harvey had a consensual relationship with any of these women. >> it is hard to keep track of how many people are alleging sexual harassment and abuse. today we are learning of new allegations and new investigations into harvey weinstein criminal investigations in the u.k. >> that's right. they say in november they
received a complaint from one woman about two different alleged assaults by harvey weinstein. these dated back a number of years. police are now investigating those. they reveal this for the first time today. already we know there were criminal probes in london, los angeles and new york. this adds to the list of accusers that have actually gone to the police. so far there has been no arrest and no indication of an imminent arrest. you have got three different investigations simultaneously against harvey weinstein right now. he is apparently still in rehab in arizona. but you have to think that these police investigators have a lot of evidence they are going through because they are interviewing so many different victims. >> just yesterday it was revealed that hally barry's manager has been accused by nine women of this behavior. this is an industry epidemic. this is a problem that needs to be addressed. but what makes me hopeful is
that women across the world are speaking out about this. and not just prominent figures. the rape abuse network says the number of calls that organization received in november went up by 25% and 30% in kedecember. that means people are feeling more comfortable coming forward as well as people who are around them. they are calling these hotlines as well and asking how do i help a friend or a family member deal with things that have happened. >> a trickle down in reporting and also people facing accountability and consequences for their actions like the kevin spacey allegations and the fact that now "house of cards" will happen without him. that's one of my favorite shows on netflix. >> it went back in production this week with a bunch of new actors. the show will probably be better than it ever was without him.
when you watch the new season, you will probably think of kevin spacey. there will be reminders of this me too movement for a long time. but it feels to me like we are in the early innings. >> we are. but one of the great things is that donations to these organizations are up. some are up as much as 40% and some are coming in with #metoo. so i love that, that these people are not only coming forward, but people in support of these victims are coming forward with money to help others. >> thanks to you. so call is bad times, days before the white house refused to approve new sanctions on russia. cnn learned that the cia director met with sanctioned return s russian spies. what did they talk about and how normal is that? o brew your cup. first, we head to vermont. and go to our coffee shop. and meet dave. hey. why is dark magic so spell-bindingly good, he asks? let me show you. let's go. so we climb. hike.
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russia related issues. the first the trump administration's decision to in a way punt on punishing russia with new sanctions. the nondecision came monday after a secretive meeting between the cia's top spy and mike pompeo. he responded to questions about the meeting with few answers, including whether he and the russian talked about delaying the sanctions. let's talk it over. bob, first about this meeting, is there a reason to be conce concerned about who he was meeting with? >> i don't mind the meetings. there is a connections between the russians and the cia that's long-standing. but having three intelligence chiefs here at a time like this sends a message to the russians,
hey, we're back to business as usual. fine, you hacked our election in 2016. we're not going to add new sanctions. don't worry about this. and by the way, pompeo said last week that the russians would probably get involved in the 2018 elections. he said that to bbc. so what is going on here? for me it is crazy. rewarding the russians at this point makes no sense to me on a diplomatic level. on an intelligence level you don't need to meet the chiefs of the service. >> how common is a meeting like this between u.s. officials, russian intelligence officials. >> it is fairly common. i actually think that this meeting going forward was not a negative thing. i think that we should continue coordinating at the highest levels on shared threats, for example. we know that there is ongoing cooperation against counter terrorism in both of our countries and i think penalizing the internal against services because of what's going on
elsewhere is probably not the right signal. but we have to be aware that when the led of the russian intelligence services comes to the united states and speaks with mike pompeo. that is all intelligence collection mission. he's going inside the cia and he comes to the united states and sees the disrepair in our government and in our system and is probably going back to moscow and reporting on exactly that. >> he doesn't even need to meet with mike pompeo to see that. >> no. he could just open a newspaper or read the president's twitter feed. >> what do you think of the fact this meeting was kept secret until we learned about it first from russia media? >> well, what's interesting is technically the connections between the central intelligence agency and the russian services is supposed to be a secret. just like we have relations with the british and the french and the rest of this. these meetings are rarely announced.
the fact that the russians announced it, they are telling the russian people that things are fine with the united states, things are coming back. no new sanctions. so for the russians this was a propaganda victory, but also keep in mind it was a break of protocol. >> samantha, on that timing issue, given this past week there was, you know, this deadline to impose new sanctions and the trump administration essentially said we're not going to impose new sanctions coming right after this meeting with pompeo. is there anything suspicious about that? >> i don't personally think so. i think having worked with the cia for almost a decade, i think they're incredibly professional. i don't think we have heard anything to discount that. i think mike pompeo has been on record talking about russian interference in the election, despite the fact that president trump has them, he's talked about the fact that we're exposed in the 2018 election. so i think it may have been a
coincidence. we had this january 29 deadline for the administration to deliver a report to congress about whether entities around the world have reduced business with designated russian entities. that report went forward. we did not see the imposition of new sanctions. i did hear that entities and countries that have agreed to major arms deals with russia have agreed in private not to go forward, and i think that that's really valuable information that will start to come out. >> it sounds also positive. >> it could be. it could be. >> if they are somehow not needing the sanctions in that regard. thank you very much. i appreciate both of you and your expertise. now, the united nations says north korea is thumbing its nose as sanctions and pocketing millions of dollars in the process. cnn exclusive report next. i'm sorry, leo. i know i'm late. traffic on the ponte vecchio on a monday. always late.
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consider this, according to the united nations, kim jong-un's north korea is financing its nuclear ambitions by racking up nearly $200 million in elicit income. just last year, they have been ignoring sanctions and exporting banned goods, the u.n. says. here is a short list of what north korea has allegedly been up to. falsifying domes to sell coal. selling weapons to syria and myanmar. now according to an exclusive cnn investigative report, david mckenzie takes us to mozambique, where kim's regime is busting sanctions through military and fishing deals. here is what david and his team found. >> reporter: tracking the elicit funding of a rogue nuclear state.
a months-long investigation leads us to a pushing boat in mozambique. >> just be careful. >> hello? [ speaking foreign language ] >> can we talk to someone? >> we uncover sanctions busting caught in the act. so there are two north korean fishermen here in the boat. they don't want us to talk to them. and they've stuck this boat between two others. it's pretty well-hidden. the captain locks himself away with good reason. illegal fishing operations generate significant cash for pyongyang's nuclear missile program, say u.s. officials. yes, the crew are all korean, this mozambique crewman tells us. hi. can we come up? so the captain of the ship is on the phone with someone. i think it's wise we get out of here, actually. >> reporter: kim jong-un's ultimate aim is to develop a
viable nuclear-tipped missile, threatening to strike cities across the united states. but the sanctions are biting and the trump administration is taking a tougher stance. they're scouring the globe to generate cash. 7,500 miles away from pyongyang, they found a willing partner. one of 11 african countries the united nations is investigating for sanctions violations. from the channel, we can easily spot the rusting boats. >> so that's the "susan 1" and that's the "susan 2." our investigation show us these shrimping strollers are a part of a luke -- >> illegal as of last august and there are more sinister links than just a few fishing boats. investigators are tracking it all. >> surface-to-air missiles, manned portable surface-to-air missiles, military radar, air
defense systems, the refurbishment of tanks. it's a long list. >> reporter: pyongyang exporting its deadly expertise for hard cash, even to mozambique's remote interior, bolstering military installations like this, the u.n. says, training elite forces for at least two years, military sources tell us. all of it under sanctions for more than a decade. so how do they keep their operations secret? the trail leads us to one of the busiest avenues. >> according to documents, this is the headquarters of the north korean trade emissary here. >> reporter: reviewed by cnn, the documents name a shadowy front company. in 2017, the u.n. revealed that it helped funnel at least $6 million in military contracts to pyongyang. >> hi, how are you, sir? >> reporter: some asians were living here. they left three or four months ago, says the property agent. nobody could tell us where they
went. >> are there still north koreans in mozambique? yes, we have some here cooperating in social and technical fields, he says, which is not against sanctions that were declared by the united nations. he says they are implementing sanctions. we saw clear violations. defense ministry officials refused to be interviewed by cnn or answer our questions. >> has mozambique been complying with the u.n. sanctions? i cannot say at this moment, he says. i don't have detailed information on the question you're asking. the u.n. is waiting for answers from mozambique, a country risking hundreds of millions in u.s. aid to help kim jong-un find ways to fund his nuclear ambitions. david mckenzie, cnn, mozambique. one more note now from overseas, militants in syria
managed to shoot down a russian fighter jet today. it's been confirmed by the russian military, and this video is reportedly the burning wreckage of that plane. a russian su-25. it happened near the city of idlib. a part of syria fully controlled by militant groups fighting against the syrian government. witnesses say the pilot parachuted out but was then killed by rebels on the ground. we'll be right back. ♪ i'm walkin♪ wow! nshine
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