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president and i disagree. these are young men and women who are american in every way, shape, and form except for a single piece of paper. they live in your neighborhoods, go to our schools, teach our kids in many cases. so we need to do everything we can. and the clock is ticking. this is an incredibly urgent situation. so as we lead up into march, we need to make sure we offer the stability and certainty these young people need because they represent what i would view as the american dream. >> congressman aguilar, thank you to have for being on "new day". >> thank you. thank you to our criminal -- cnn international viewers. >> they have a warrant on someone in the trump campaign using opposition research paid for by the democratic pa that's what this is about.
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>> it really underscores just how partisan he has been. >> he has abused the office of the chairmanship. >> this memo has frankly nothing at all to do with special counsel. >> i never felt that the president was going to fire special counsel. >> for the philadelphia eagles, the long drought is over. >> losing sucks, but sometimes you lose and that's the way it goes. >> the city of philadelphia deserves this and we're happy to deliver. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> is it getting any easier, john berman? >> it was an incredible game but a dagger in my heart every time we see the replays. >> just keep this over there. keep those handy. good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day". chris is off. john berman has pulled himself together for the moment to join me. thank you. >> i'm all here. >> it is an important morning. democrats are pushing to release their rebuttal to the
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controversial gop mememo. will republicans on the committee vote in favor of transparency? >> meantime, president trump claims that this memo vindicates him in the russian investigation. now some republican lawmakers are distancing themselves from the president saying the memo does not undermine the mueller investigation. we have this all covered for you this morning. let's begin with caitlkaitlan cs live at the white house. >> reporter: the president spent the weekend here at the white house insisting that the memo vindicates him. on the hill, fellow republicans are outright rejecting that claim and seeking to distance themselves from the president's position. meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, democrats are hoping to persuade the house intelligence committee to release a memo of their own.
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>> the interest wasn't oversight. the interest was a political hit job on the fbi in the service of the president. >> reporter: democrats on the house intelligence committee demanding the release of their rebuttal to the controversial gop memo alleging fbi surveillance abuse. arguing that the republican document is incomplete and full of mischaracterizations. >> they've got a warrant on someone in the trump campaign using opposition research paid for by the democratic party and the hillary clinton campaign. that's what this is about. >> what we will learn is that it is not true that this fisa warrant was awarded sole on the basis of the steele dossier. we will also learn that the fbi, because they are very careful people, didn't mislead the judge. >> reporter: the senate minority leader urging the president to support the release of ranking schiff's memo saying it will confirm the american people's worst fears, that the republican memo was only intended to undermine special counsel robert mueller's investigation. mr. trump himself taking a victory lap insisting that the
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memo totally vindicates him in the russia probe, an idea rejected by multiple republican members of the house intelligence committee. >> this memo has nothing at all to do with special counsel. >> this is a separate issue. >> it isn't about the special counsel's investigation. >> so you don't agree with president trump when you say this vindicates him in the investigation? >> i don't. >> reporter: even trey gowdy defending mueller's investigation. >> there is a russia investigation without a dossier. the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting on the trump tower. >> reporter: the president's son at the center of the firestorm over the june 2016 trump tower meeting with russians promising dirt on clinton applauding the memo. >> there is sweet revenge in it for me and the family in the sense if they wouldn't have done this, this stuff would be going on. >> reporter: the number two democrat in the senate saying they warn against firing the man at the head of the investigation. >> to say this is all donald trump needs to fire rosenstein
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or bob mueller, i'll tell you, this could precipitate a constitutional crisis. >> reporter: john and alisyn, the white house maintains that rod rosenstein's job is not on the line here. but the president, who is traveling to ohio later today to speak at a manufacturing plant, still has not said whether or not he has confidence in the deputy attorney general since he told reporters to figure it out on friday. >> kaitlan, thank you very much. let's discuss it with jeffrey took skpeupb c toobin and john avlon. great to have you both. what trey gowdy did this weekend was surprising and striking. and we should play it again. not only does he seem to be undermining the memo that he was involved in but also the dossier on which they're pinning all of their case that the president should be vindicated. let's just listen in full to
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what congressman trey gowdy said. >> the dossier has nothing to do with the something at trump tower or an e-mail sent by cambridge. it really has nothing to do with george papadopoulos's meeting in great britain. it doesn't have anything to do with the obstruction of justice. so there is going to be a russia probe even without a dossier. >> what do you think, jeffrey toobin? >> have we reached such a degraded state that when a republican tells the truth it's a huge news story? >> probably. >> this is a situation where the republicans have been standing by trump regardless of whatever crazy thing he says. finally, yesterday, it was so excessive. what trump said was so ridiculous that this memo in validates the russia investigation and discredits the entire fbi that we saw some
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pushback from house members. but, i mean, all they're doing is telling the truth. >> yeah. that should not have the quality of revelation in today's congress, but it does. >> well, there you go. >> gowdy was being used by nunes is a fig leaf. trey gowdy has credentials from the conservative movement. and gowdy comes out and throws out the talking points, stomps on them. he delineates clearly that dossier or not, folks, this investigation is going forward, and it should. >> it seemed to me to show a different view of what this memo is. the president clearly thinks it vindicates it. he wrote it to america. there is all of this other stuff out there. i want to move on to a different subject because it is interesting what the dossier does -- or the memo does and doesn't do here. carter page is the central actor in this. carter page, central actor, all
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of a sudden someone that republicans care so deeply about after they run him down for a year and a half. just listen to what people have said about carter page. >> carter page is an individual who the president-elect does not know. >> he's not part of our national security briefings that we do now at all. >> to the best of my recollection, i don't know carter page. to the best of my knowledge, carter page never had a donald trump adopt coupdotcom e-mail a. >> i don't think i've ever met him. >> whatever contact he had with the campaign, he left a month before they got this fisa warrant. to the extent the president wants to say the democrats were clearly investigating my campaign, it's just not true. >> you would almost think this whole attack on the fbi is just a pretext and bogus and not
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based on any reality it's purported to be. i think the president has succeeded here. because he has created now an atmosphere of controversy around this investigation. and most people who don't follow these issues very closely, they think, oh, well, a lot of people think mueller's investigation is not legitimate. you know, when you have the meeting tpwa phone of the white house, when you have the mega phone of the chairman of the house intelligence committee, you can create a controversy where none exists. and that's what's been done. >> transparently with the purpose of muddying the waters. it is funny carter page is now being used as a proxy for the american people. his civil liberties were denied and yours could too. what accidentally comes out under cuts any claim to that. "time" magazine said in 2013 he was shopping a note around saying i'm honored to be an adviser to the kremlin.
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he was on intelligence service radar for a long time. >> they were already interviewing him. they knew -- the fbi was already interviewing carter page because of the 2013 connection. the dossier is what got him surveilled. that's also been proven not t e true. >> you don't have to be john la prairie if a guy says i represent the kremlin and he later shows up advising someone that may be president of the united states, it may be worth th investigating this guy. >> the trump campaign doesn't seem to have known -- or maybe they did. maybe this is why they liked him. he had been trumpeting, pardon the pun, his connections to the kremlin. >> yes. and the overall appearance on of a caricature of the useful idiot, bumbling around, trading
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access and the appearance of influence without being taken seriously by anybody. but there is something terribly nefarious going on underneath. >> having seen page's interviews with anderson cooper and others, i'm not sure how useful. but idiot may well describe. >> the committee votes on it today at 5:00. the president has to decide what to do there. republicans will actually be on the defensive here. they have to prove they are being as transparent as they claim to be. jeffrey, i think the timing is fascinating. sometime in the next week or two we're going to learn if the president is going to sit down with robert mueller's investigators or at least get a status where do these negotiations stand. >> i think it's very up in the air. i think the people around the president, his lawyers want to avoid this as much as possible. they know this is the president, according to the "washington post", who has told more than
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2,000 lies since he took office. you don't want someone like that in a position where they are legally libel if they tell a lie. but the president has also said he wants to cooperate. polls show people want him to answer questions. >> if he doesn't, can't mueller subpoena him? >> he could. but that would lead to a lengthy legal fight. and it's not clear what the result would be. a president is not completely immune from having to testify in a civil case, criminal case. but the circumstances and the amount of background, how much time and all of that is very much up for grabs. i suspect some deal will be made but it will be torturous. >> we will move to the other story of the morning. wild celebrations in the city of brotherly love. philadelphia eagles fans marking their first ever super bowl title. it was an mazing game. 41-33 over the defending
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champion new england patriots. cnn's alex marquardt with more. >> reporter: people are waking up and heading to work after this historic celebration. many of them i imagine with nasty hangovers this morning. this was the heart of those celebrations last night. thousands of people gathering in front of city hall. if you look in the streets, the city has done a very good job at cleaning it up. you can hardly tell there were these massive parties going on last night. now, after this historic win, the mayor of philadelphia called on the residents of the city to go forth and celebrate but do so in a way that will make philadelphia shine. for the most part, that's what happened. this was a party with tens of thousands poured into the streets, shouting, chanting. this being philadelphia, it was always going to be a rowdy party. as the night wore on, it got more and more raucous. people were climbing on top of bus stops, pulling down light poles. they smashed the windows from a
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macy's right around the corner from here. some people flipped a car of. john and alisyn, this is one of the most dramatic scenes. we have the video of the incident. half a dozen people climbed on top of the awning of the ritz-carlton and it collapsed. and this is the aftermath. this twisted pile of metal. you can see how flimsy it was. of course if anybody gets on top, of course that is going to fall apart. now, we understand across the city there were a number of injuries. the city telling us this morning there were three people arrested. reminding people they are bad actors. that by and large the festivities last night went very well. the cleanup effort continues today. you can still see a bit of effort to be done ahead of the victory parade expected to be held this week. more details to be coming out today. alisyn. >> that video was incredible. it was like a mosh pit that happened outside the
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ritz-carlton with people crowd surfing. thank you for that. the eagles have been the underdogs but they never backed down, going toe to toe with tom brady and the patriots to win their first ever super bowl. john is ignoring me. coy wire has details live from minneapolis. coy, how are you? >> reporter: i can't feel myself but i'm okay. the biggest takeaway for me in this game we discovered there is something that john berman's man crush tom brady can't do. he tried to catch a pass and he dropped it. was this the wildest game in nfl history? over 15 records were broken, including coldest game ever. most yards in an nfl game. super bowl or not. now, the eagles quarterback nick foles, he tried to catch a pass too but he caught his for a touchdown, no less. incredible plays in this game.
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and you talk about a game nick foles so respected by his teammates. he takes seminary classes. he wants to be a high school pastor. from backup qb to super bowl mvp. i caught up with him after the game. >> just to be a part of this and be part of the philadelphia eagles organization and be part of the first world championship, we're unbelievably blessed. honestly right now it's all soaking in. unbelievable. >> resiliency of the football team. our character really shone through tonight. i'm so happy for our players. >> the underdogs all season. i found our boy jake tapper one of these underdog masks the players have been using all season long. he probably has one, two, or 20 of them. john berman, sorry for your loss. it was an incredible game and storied game. >> philadelphia was better. they were just better over the 60 minutes.
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you cannot talk about the super bowl. i know that's what you think you're here to talk about. i'm stopping that now. we're talking about this. ben, did that memo that you read crafted by devin nunes vindicate the president? >> i think certainly for a lot of people it's going to at least show what the white house has said, which is this is an investigation that has gone after president trump on a personal level. it shows using the words of people involved in going after trump that there was a bias against him. >> how? can you give me some specifics? how in this memo does it show the fisa court is biased? >> i think the way they got this warrant is a clear example. a lot of information was omitted about, one, where did this come from, this dossier on the president. who was behind it. who was backing it. who was paying for it. that information from the memo that we've read shows that
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obviously there were people that were going into that fisa court that knew if they shared total transparency on all the information that they had gathered and who was behind it and where it was coming from, i don't think they would have been able to get this warrant to actually go after carter page. >> obviously, bill, if you believe that this is the whole account that they did not disclose that the funding from the dossier came from the dnc and the clinton campaign. however, as you know, the democrats are hoping to release this week their rebuttal because they say there is more to this story. >> even so, it has nothing to do with the mueller investigation. people are testifying under oath. we have learned a lot during the course of the investigation. unless the trump position, the whole thing is legitimate. there is a forest and trees problem here. we get distracted by the smoke, the muddying of the waters. trump hates this investigation.
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he wants to shut it down. i think the reason is it is is distracting his presidency. or he's scared of what they will find. he is using it as a pretext for laying the groundwork to rally people -- the tweet you read is very important. he said it's a witch-hunt. what do you do about witch hunts? you don't say, hey, this is a little unfair because this isn't properly sourced. you say witch hunts should be stopped. the other part said senior levels, doj, fbi are out to get me or illegitimate. i can't remember word for word. but something like that. if it is a disgrace to the country and you're president of the united states, not to support the memo but to stop it. that's what he wants to do. that's what he's planning to do. congress needs to stop obsessing about these memos and worry about tprotecting the mueller investigation. senior republicans need to stand
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up and say it is unacceptable to fire rosenstein, mueller. you should urge people to cooperate with the investigation. >> alisyn. >> go ahead, ben. >> there has been to indication that those who have been interviewed at the white house have not been fully cooperating. there has been a ton of speculation that the president wants to shut this down, is going to try to shut this down. he hasn't fired the people you need to fire to shut them down. >> he does keep tweeting about them -- >> what do you mean, he's trying to cover -- >> let me finish. it's okay to have an opinion as the president of the united states of america when this has dragged on more than a year. and there has not been anyone charged with any issues of collusion. there are people that say the president is obsessed with wanting to fire these people. the fact is he has not fired them. >> okay. so people like you -- people like you -- >> the president is trying to go
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over the top when in fact, he is not. they acted honorably in this investigation. >> his supporters should make clear it is unacceptable to fire rosenstein and mueller. what if they got something wrong on one fisa application? >> asking questions is not delegitimizin delegitimizing, bill. >> was that a question -- >> let me finish. >> you have people on the fbi in their own words on the record who talked about, one, not liking the president, two, possibly needing an insurance -- >> you're talking about -- you know what, ben -- >> secret society. >> are we still talking about the secret society, ben? >> in their own words. >> this is what i mean. >> hold on. >> are you asking questions or throwing out a lot of mud --
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>> if you have a problem with what they're saying, why don't you look at the fact that these people put it in their own text messages. >> here the larger point. there are people like you and other republicans that do seem to be bringing up a lot of what you say are really pressing issues that other people think are distractions. we put them in quotes as scandals. it is hard to remember with this news cycle all the things. here are the things they have fastened on. the mysterious nunes memo. it should show that the president was vindicated. it has not done that. the lost texts between what you're taking about between agent strzok and page. that was found a few days later. we found them. >> and the fbi's secret society. >> just think what ben is saying. he is saying the fbi is an entirely corrupt organization.
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>> that's not what i said at all. >> let me finish the season. he implied that's maybe why they found them, because of the pressure. that the fbi purposely lost the texts and found them because of political pressure. there are tons of people at the fbi not one or two. say it. >> here is what i know, bill. listen clearly because you're putting words in my mouth to things i never ever said. my father is in law enforcement. the majority of people at the fbi, the department of justice i think do a good job. it is also incredibly naive to assume after seeing the words of people at the fbi in their own text messages and at the department of justice that there is a bias by some, key word some people, some people can be biased against the president. it's not unamerican or insane
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for me to ask questions about the intent of the individuals going after the president. >> go ahead, bill. >> it is obviously a dodge. you just implied -- >> it's not a dodge. it's being honest. >> listen, ben, here's -- we've been down this road. we know there were two people who had a bias. >> the road matters, alisyn. >> hold on. they were, as you know, have been redirected, lost their jobs. >> as they should. >> you shouldn't slander people you don't know all the facts about. >> i read their words. >> based on the limited amount you know you can confidently assert they should lose their jobs? is that the way law enforcement should work? >> bill, if you were under investigation by somebody in the government and their own words showed extreme bias against you, talking about an insurance policy if you're elected to office, on top of that there
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might be a secret society, you wouldn't bring that up every single day? >> as you know, senator ron johnson said that he did think that it was factious. ben, do you think all of these things are scandals or welcomed distractions? >> all i'm saying is one thing. every conversation that we're talking about right now, the problem is the people that were involved in the investigation are the ones that said this. it is not a conspiracy theory when i just read their text messages. i see their bias. >> do you think the mueller investigation should continue? >> i'm not afraid of the mueller investigation. >> i think it should play out. i'm not afraid of phaoeumueller. i'm not afraid of the investigation. look how far they have come and how little they have. >> i give you credit. unlike the president, you're not afraid of mueller.
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>> i'm not afraid of it. if anyone is upset, look at what te people wrote in their own text messages. people should be upset by what they said. >> got it. thank you for the lively debate. john. if only the patriots played defense that hard. it pains me to say the philadelphia eagles are the super bowl champions. malcolm jenkins joins us next. what is this? when we love someone, we want to do right by them. but some things we can't control like snoring. (snoring) introducing theravent anti-snore strips. clinically shown to reduce snoring. theravent. the answer is right under your nose. on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should've done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness,
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the house intelligence committee will vote today on whether to release the rebuttal to the controversial republican memo that alleges fbi surveillance abuses in the russia investigation. president trump claims this memo totally vindicates him. joining me now is democratic congressman bass of california. representative, thank you so much for being with us. this memo totally vindicates trump, in quotaton marks, in probe. but the russian witch-hunt goes on and on. there was no solution and there was no obstruction, the word now used because after looking endlessly and found nothing, the
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word is dead. this is an american disgrace. does this totally vindicate him? >> no, i don't think it does at all. but i think the tweet shows the purpose of the memo. i think the memo is an attempt to vindicate him. trey gowdy said it doesn't vindicate him. it is pathetic that he would actually do that. it actually exposes my republican colleagues for what they were really up to, which is doing his bidding. and that's the part that frankly confuses me as to why they would put their reputations on the line for something so obvious. >> absolutely right trey gowdy said this does not totally vindicate him in the russian investigation. he thinks it raises important questions about the fisa process, specifically he thinks that the fisa judges were not told that the steele dossier was funded specifically by the clinton campaign and the democratic national committee. should these judges have been told that? >> from what i believe, and i'm
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not on the intel committee, but i believe they actually were told. >> hang on. we think they were told. there was a political connection to the steele dossier, which is materially different than funded by the clinton campaign or by the democrats, correct? >> say for a minute they weren't told. the fact that the matter that the fisa warrant was issued multiple times. and you know that every time you go before those judges, who were all appointed by the republican chief justice, by the way, when you go before those judges you have to show that the first 90 days that you had the warrant that you actually produced something. so even if that was the case, and i don't believe it was, that still does not say that the fisa warrant shouldn't have been issued. and they were also different judges that they went before. and it's the chief justice of the supreme court who was appointed by a republican who
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appointed the fisa judges. so i don't think there's any there there. >> the attorney general under george w. bush put an op ed over "the wall street journal", is this something you would be okay with release something. >> i don't know whether i would or not. what i will tell you, though, is serving under the judiciary committee, we have made attempts, but the republicans have shut it down. we have made attempts to have a review, to hear from the fbi. and we'll see. we'll see what happens this week, whether or not the republicans will reconsider. because the judiciary committee should be a part of this whole process. >> you say you're not sure whether the fisa warrant should be released. why not? if it can be redacted so secrets are not revealed, should the american people see it? >> i would have to see the underlying evidence. maybe they should. maybe they shouldn't. but it is difficult to see when
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i haven't seen the underlying documents. that is something our committee should review. >> the ranking member jerry nadler suggested that house republicans are trying to obstruct the work of the special counsel, obstruct the work of an investigation. obstruction of justice would be a crime. do you think republicans are committing a crime? >> well, i don't think the memo is actually saying that. it definitely says the republicans are complicit. and to me all the drama that they produced around this memo i think absolutely demonstrates that. i don't think that there is much to the memo. they said it would be some big huge document. why did they go to this effort? when the president tweets that the day the memo comes out, what more do you need? i think the president was crystal clear and especially chairman nunes is doing his bidding. >> let me read you something the president just said. it's interesting and more on this point that you were just talking about.
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he said little adam schiff, and talking about the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. he is one of the biggest liars and leakers in washington right up there with comey, warner, brennan and clapper. adam leaves closed committee meetings to leak confidential information. must be stopped. >> this is the president of the united states. i mean, this is just an embarrassment. it is an embarrassment on the international stage. and i think he is showing exactly what the purpose of the memo is. so now -- i'll tell you, the one thing that confuses me is i don't understand why the republican leadership would put their reputations on the line to defend him in this manner. we all understand what the president is doing. but why would they back this up? and have they decided that their policy agenda of on privatizing social security, having medicare be vouchers, cutting medicaid,
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that's more important that they are willing to go along with the president in this manner? i just don't understand that. >> we'll have a chance to see what the republicans do if they allow the democratic memo to be released the next several days. representative, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. he played a big role in the eagles victory. safety malcolm jenkins is here and joins us next. [phone ringing] need a change of scenery? the kayak price forecast tool tells you whether to wait or book your flight now. so you can be confident you're getting the best price. giddyup!
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all right. the philadelphia eagles are the super bowl champions for the first time ever. our next guest played a huge role in the win over the patriots. joining us is eagles safety malcolm jenkins. first of all, congratulations to you. what an incredible game to watch that beginning to end. it was just an incredible spectacle. what's it like to see how happy the people of philadelphia are? >> well, to start off, i know how big of a patriots fan you are. i know how much this might hurt. but for us, man, it it has been an awesome year. the amount that this team has had to carry, as close as the team us, for us to be the first team to bring it back to the city of philadelphia is such an
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honor. we feel blessed and happy for our fan base that we could be the ones to bring that joy to the city, man. we're so excited to get back to celebrate with our fans. >> all right. 2:15 left in the game. you're up by five points. tom brady has thrown for 500 yards at this point. three touchdowns. you haven't sacked him yet. maybe the best quarterback of all time. he's got the ball. what's going through all of your heads? >> to be honest, usually in these type of situations you see, your honor, defensive huddle, guys talking to each other about we need to make a stop. there is none of that. we understand the way to win our offense was on fire. their offense was on fire. it was going to come down to whoever got the last stop on defense. >> when you saw that ball -- >> we knew our stop was coming. before that we knew our stop was coming.
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you call injustice facing african-americans around the country. president trump last night after the game he tweeted congratulations to the philadelphia eagles on a great super bowl victory. i know you've been asked this. do you intend to go to the white house for a celebration? >> no. i permanently do not anticipate intending that. >> what message would you like to send to the president? >> i don't have a message for the president. my message has been clear all year. i'm about creating positive change in the communities that i come from. whether it will philadelphia, new jersey, ohio, louisiana, or this entire country. i want to see changes in our criminal justice system. i want to see us push for economical and educational advancement and i want to see
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our relationships between our communities and law enforcement be advanced. that's what myself and my peers have been pushing for the last two years. that's what i will continue to do. >>komalcolm jenkins, thank you. this game was just incredible to watch. >> thank you. >> alisyn? >> he's a nice guy. >> he's wonderful. >> he's a nice guy. he knows i was hurtng. >> and he was comforting me. an fbi agent is now speaking out about the president's repeated attacks on the bureau. what it is doing to the rank and file and why he has resigned over it. he joins us live next.
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decision. in fact, it was a very difficult decision, but if you asked the men and women of the fbi what the last year and a half has been like i think to a person they would say either perplexing, sometimes angering when you see the political attacks on the fbi. i'm not talking about criticism. i want to make that point clear. criticism of the fbi is needed. we have to have oversight. we cannot police ourselves but what we've been concerned about are the political attacks, the attacks that go beyond process and more, you know, some other motive behind them and my concern was the long-term effects on the organization. now, i could not speak out now as i am to defend the bureau, to defend our people and to explain what it is we do if i was still in the fbi. nor would you want that. you wouldn't want an fbi agent in the organization anonymously speaking out against partisans. it's not what we do.
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i made the difficult decision to leave a career i love, an organization i still love and will always love in order to defend it. >> so, josh, you know, we've heard the president say the rank and file are great. we've heard republicans say this isn't an attack on the fbi. these are just questions about the leadership. what is the mood inside the fbi of all the tens of thousands of agents? >> so the criticism as i mentioned -- criticism itself is fair. if someone wants to say we did something wrong. that is fair. in fact, it is incumbent upon our leaders to hold us accountable. what you see with the various investigations that are going on with the department -- office of inspector general, and department of justice, obviously director mueller and his investigation, they're looking in to what is happened. i think what we need to be concerned about and i hope our leaders are concerned about is a cascading effect on the fbi agent on the street, the intelligence agent who gets up every single day to defend the
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constitution and the american people. what i mean by that is, the fbi cannot do its job without the support from the public. when an fbi agent knocks on someone's door and they need assistance or an fbi tries to recruit an informant to provide information, the only reason people will talk to us is if they trust us and what i'm afraid of is, and myself and my of my colleagues is that this corrosive doubt about the agency that's been able to seep into the national discussion because of politics is something that's going to negatively impact our ability to do our job. many of us we're not political people. we're -- it is the ethos of the fbi to check politics at the door. many republicans and democrats alike but it's not something you incorporate into your work. i want the american people to understand that. lastly i would justify say, to a person the fbi wants our leaders held accountable. if there were mistakes that were
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made particularly those involved in wad judgment, we want that to come to light. we want the temperature to come down as far as the political discussion. >> when you say that you have this fear of the cascading effect that the general public will sew doubts about the fbi and less willing to participate and help out with investigations, is that your -- have you seen any evidence of that or is that just today your fear? >> i think it's too new to have empirical data from fbi employees about an immediate negative effect, but one thing that my colleagues would tell me day-to-day when we go to work is that the question they get from everyone, whether it's their family, friends, whether it's people they're out talking to on the street as they're doing their job, the first question is almost always what happened to the fbi. and as an fbi employee i can tell you people who are really proud of what they do, who sacrifice a lot to protect this country, one of the first questions is what has happened to you. that's a tough thing for people
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to deal with. we are dogged people. fbi people are not easily pushed over. we can take criticism. it's not something we're afraid of. we look at the long game, the long-term and if we cannot have trust from the public and not providing us information then it's negative for us and really impacts our ability to do our job. >> you were packing up your desk as the director, chris wray was addressing the fbi, the bureau as a whole on friday. so what was he saying to everyone about how to weather this storm? >> yeah. as been reported, the director he's obviously in a tough spot. he's here to lead an organization, to rye to improve the moral that's negatively impacted from the outside. he's really telling the workforce that we have to keep our heads held high, continue with the mission. we do important work and he's going to support us. a very tough position for him to be in, again. we've continued to see that
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support as far as backing our people. i would just say that, you know, as we look ahead, it's that same kind of support is something needed even outside the fbi from the department of justice and those in congress and from our leaders, we want that same kind of support. the message that, yes, we will get to the bottom of what happened but we want you to continue to do your job and we need that promise that these decisions will be made absent political considerations. >> what was it like inside the bureau on the day that andrew mccabe the deputy director announced that he was going to step aside earlier than had been expected? >> well, i think it's a pattern that we've seen in the organization and again, i don't want to take certain data points and draw a line through them and say all of this connects. as we've heard in different stories, we are learning personnel decisions from the media and obviously in this day and age when information's flowing very rapidly that's to be expected. i think in the organization, we're dogged people.
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we're people who can withstand criticism and career changes at the top and throughout the organization but when you see the constant flux of leaders coming and going, it is something that is potentially concerning for us. this organization's not about one person. people come and go, and we all know that when we step up. there are no indefensible people in the fbi. we're just looking for that period of calm when things will finally settle and we can do our jobs. >> that day is not today because don jr. tweeted about you leaving your job. he tweeted this, you would think they're stable is full in the hate on trump department. who am i kidding? it's cnn. of course there's more room. he's obviously denigrating your choice to leave the fbi and then to come here as an analyst. what's your response? >> first, let me say that i'm not going to begrudge a son for
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protecting his father. i can only imagine what that situation is like and i'll also say whether you're a citizen or whether you're in government, you have to respect that the president is a commander-in-chief. we have to respect that office. full stop. i don't want to get into politics of it. from a practitioner standpoint throughout the agency, as i mentioned we just want the temperature to come down. if we need to have an important national discussion on certain actions that took place in the fbi it's something we'll certainly welcome. we just want the temperature to come down so we can have an effective dialogue. >> we're sure happy to have you. we're happy to have you tell the story about what the fbi is doing and what it's really like inside there every day. so thank you and we look forward to more analysis from you. >> thanks alisyn. >> we're following a lot of news. let's get to it. the democratic memo puts into context new unseen evidence that bolsters the fib's credibility. >> there is sweet revenge. if they wouldn't have done this, this would be


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