tv Early Start with Christine Romans and Dave Briggs CNN February 16, 2018 2:00am-2:59am PST
states anttianti-isis alliance. the turkey foreign minister said the u.s. and turkey agreed to start normalizing relations on the issue. let's hope that translation was accura accurate. "early start" continues right now. president trump, please do something. >> grieving families demanding action after the florida school massacre. we heard the gunman's home was a frequent destination for local police. did the fbi miss a chance to track him down? to every parent, teacher and child, we are here for you. whatever you need. >> president trump offered comfort to families, but no mention of guns. is there hope for action to stop the bloodshed? good morning. welcome to "early start."
along with rene marsh in new york, i'm dave briggs. it is friday, february 16th, 2018. i'm here in parkland, florida. we start with the latest on the florida high school shooting. families begin the process of saying good-bye to their children. charges documents in the case show 19-year-old nikolas cruz has confessed to being the gunman. we learned the fbi was warned about cruz by someone who saw a threatening post online. that post, one of many, that offer disturbing glimpses into his mental state. all 17 victims have been identified by the broward sho sheriff. as lawmakers fumble with what to do or not to do, the conservative murdoch owned "new york post" cover "mr. president please act." seven people remain in the hospital. four in critical condition. for the latest on what we learned about the gunman's
actions before and after the atta attack, we turn to cnn's rosa flores in parkland. good morning, rosa. >> reporter: good morning, dave. the suspect waking up in a jail cell after confessed to the crimes. this is according to probable cause documents. from law enforcement, we have a timeline. chain of events. two minutes after arriving on campus, he started firing his weapon. ten minutes later, he set the ar-15 down and blended in with students. he stopped by walmart and purchased a drink and sandwich. then stopped at mcdonald's. an hour later, he was apprehe apprehended by a police officer who saw him in the residential area and noticed he fit the description. we are learning from police records that police were called to his home about 39 times since
2010 for things like quote mentally ill person and disturbance and domestic disturbance. from his court appointed attorney, we are learning she is saying he simply fell through the cracks. >> he's a broken human being. he's a broken child. he's sad. he's mournful. he's remorseful. he is fully aware of what is going on. and he's a broken human being. >> reporter: now police say they are disturbed by his digital footprint. a second instagram account has surfaced showing him wearing a mask and arsenal of weapons. a pile of rifles and guns. dave, all of these clues, as police try to bring this case together. as you know, the suspect is charged with 17 counts of pre-mmeditated murder.
dave. >> rosa, thanks. questions this morning about whether the fbi missed an opportunity to stop the parkland massacre. the video blogger warned the bureau of the apparent school shooting threat with the same name post as the gunman. the video blogger said the post said i'm going to be a professional school shooter. the fbi says a field officer did a web search and internal data place review. the blogger did not know the commenter. the fbi could not identify him. the bureau says no connection to south florida was found and local law enforcement was not notified of the possible threat. let's talk to the mayor of parkland, florida. christine, thank you for joining us again. i was at columbine 20 years ago as a student journalist. as the days went on, a runner
for this network, ironically. every night, i drove home in tears and as you see, i cry every time this happens. but i feel like the country does not. there was a shooting a few weeks ago in kentucky and i saw people glance at their phone in the breaking news update and went about their business. what do you want the country to feel after your town was attacked? >> i want the country to remember that these are families. there are real people whose lives are forever affected by this tragedy. for us who are here, we see the raw emotion and we see the hurt and we se can feel it and make this never happens again. i think this day and age, there is so much competing for our attention. it is hard to focus on these things. it is hard to remember these are not just images on tv. these are real people with real
lives. >> how do you characterize the town and how it has evolved in the last 36 hours? >> this town is an amazing town. this is a family oriented town. neighbors helping each other. it is wonderful. it has been hard here. it has been hard here. people are suffering. people are seeing things. children are seeing things they never expected. we had a vigil last night where thousands of people came out. it was amazing and it showed this community is here to get better and recover and help those who need it. >> what do you need? i know the country wants to help. the go fund me page raised thousands of dollars. what do parents and students need? >> we started with the basics of the grief counselors. the city will be working to put
together things that the residents will need. the community will need. i know the school board will be doing the same thing. once we have that down, unfortunately, we are learning from other areas who have had these tragedies of what is most needed going forward. >> many people in the country were shocked in a good way to hear your governor rick scott say everything is on the table. do you take him at his word? what should be on the table? >> i take him at his word. we had hurricane irma here in september. governor scott was on the phone every day with the mayors and with local elected officials. he was there to help. i will take him at his word. he said it on the record. what we need right now is the resources to be able to help this community recover. what all those resources are going to be going forward i don't have the specifics. we will have a long list.
>> you are, indeed. >> we will take advantage of what is offered to us. >> the nation is behind you. our hearts go out to you. thank you, mayor, for being here this morning. the mayor tells me school is closed today. they are not sure when it will reopen. it may next week. it in fact may not. all of the victims from the mass shooting have been identified. a teacher and athletic director. a football coach and 14 teenagers with their entire lives ahead of them. 16-year-old carmen schentrup. a semifinalist for 2018 national merit scholarship. nicholas dworet. a 17-year-old senior. headed to the university of indianapolis on a diving scholarship. 49-year-old chris hixon. the school athletic director. a naval reservist who served in iraq in 2007. his widow deborah describes him as an awesome husband, father and american. jaime guttenberg, a 14-year-old
dancer. her father fred holding back tears and anger at a vigil last night. >> i sent her to school yesterday. she was supposed to be safe. my job is to protect my children and i sent my kid to school. in the morning sometimes things get crazy. she runs out. she said i got to go, dad. bye. i don't always get to say i love you. i don't remember if i said that to jaime yesterday morning. >> 14-year-old alaina petty loved to serve the community. she was a member of the school rotc and helped rebuild lives after hurricane irma. aaron feis. an american hero. the 37-year-old assistant football coach used his body to
shield students from gunfire. a colleague says, quote, he died the same way he lived. he put himself second. joaquin oliver was 17. a family friend describes him as good hearted kid who loved his family and being around other people. 14-year-old alyssa alhadeff was a travel soccer star. her mother lori demanding action on gun violence. holding nothing back. >> the gunman, crazy person, just walks into the school and knocks down the window of my child's door and starts shooting. shooting her. and killing her. president trump, you say what can you do! you can stop the guns from getting into these children's hands! this is not fair to our families. our children go to school and have to get killed! i spent the last two hours
putting the burial arrangements for my daughter's funeral. she is 14. president trump, please do something! >> we can't begin to imagine a parent's pain this morning. luke hoyer was 15. he loved basketball and mac and cheese. his cousin said he was always happy and smiling. 35-year-old teacher scott beigel died trying to usher students back to his classroom when the shooting began. kelsey friend, one of beigel's students saved her life. >> he will be my hero. i will never forget the actions he took for me and for fellow students in the classroom. if his family is watching this, please know that your son or your brother was an amazing person and i am alive today because of him.
>> there are seven other victims. we don't know as much about them, but we know their names. martin duque was 14. described by his brother miguel as a funny kid. cara loughran. the 14-year-old dancer. her dance studio calls her a beautiful soul. and meadow pollack. the 18-year-old. preparing to attend boca university. gina montalto. a 14-year-old member of the school state champion marching band. alex schachter. 14. peter wang, 15. also a member of the school rotc program. and helena ramsey. described by a relative as deeply loved and loved others more so. gone at 17. president trump trying to console a nation in mourning, but the idea it is too soon to talk about guns remains a prevailing theme. can't predict
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i want to speak now directly to america's children. especially those who feel lost, alone, confused or even scared. i want you to know that you are never alone and you never will be. you have people who care about you, who love you and who will do anything at all to protect you. answer hate with love. answer cruelty with kindness. >> president trump addressing the florida school shooting with plenty of empathy, but not a single mention of guns. the president says he is planning to go to parkland, florida to meet with families and officials. he says he will meet with state governors and attorneys general
t later this month. truth be told, we have heard it before. >> we will talk about gun laws as time goes by. >> that was after the las vegas concert shooting in october. it is fair to say guns are not part of the national conversation since then. let's bring in political comm t commentator errol lewis. let's talk about something we have talked about time and time again. senator marco rubio reiterated yesterday. listen. >> someone decided i will commit this crime. they will find a way to get the gun it to do it. that doesn't mean you should have a law to make it harder. understand, to be honest, it won't stop it from happening. you can still pass the law, per se, but you will still have the horrible attacks. >> errol, is he right?
with the restrictions we talked about and heard about, would that have shopped thtopped this? >> that is false. that may be the money talking. rubio has taken millions of dollars from the national rifle association. he recites their talking points. that's one of them. the facts are these, in the decade before the 1994 assault weapons ban was passed, you had one set of numbers. those numbers came down. number of incidents and fa-- an fatalities. it went down in the decade the ban was in effect. it soared after the law lapsed. senator rubio knows that well. he is not being honest with the public when he says, nobody can do anything. these things are going to happen. it was a ten-year period where a federal law was in effect and the numbers came down. steps were taken in the right direction. senator rubio -- even if you accept his logic and say this is
not really going to work, fine. pass it. prove everybody wrong who has been crying out for some kind of regulation. senator rubio will not do that. >> a couple of things to point out. there are 27 states that allow 18-year-olds to buy long guns. three of those allowed to buy at 16. there are two pieces of gun legislation in congress. they argue loosen gun restrictions on conceal carry and make it easier to buy a silencer. let's listen to florida governor rick scott. surprising some on the right and the left. >> everything's on the table. all right? i'm going to look at every way we can make sure our kids are safe. it is a lot of things. it is looking at who should have guns. should individuals with mental illness have guns? what can we do to create more
safety in the schools? what can we do to make children comfortable to report things? it is not one thing. it is all these things put together. >> a courageous stand in particular if he is running for senate will be difficult to take on the nra. do you expect changes to be made? do you expect democrats to use this as an issue as we approach the 2018 mid terms, errol? >> not necessarily. governor scott has a so-called purple state. he has a lot of democrats and independent voters he will not ev enrage. whether he does this within his power, remains to be seen. this all tries to be talk as he tries to get elected to the u.s. senate. the political system is wear the deadlock highs. the fact of the -- deadlock lies. the fact of the matter is they
believe all americans should have guns. they have a powerful lobby in the nra that enforces that insanity. governor scott is walking a tightrope to get elected in the senate without annoying too many on the other side. >> errol, i want to zero in on the question. what do we do next? we just heard that sound from senator rubio who says, you know, the restrictions would not have stopped this from happening. paul ryan has said this is not the type to delve into politics. the president yesterday did not 34e mention gun control. this morning, the front page of "the new york post." this is a conservative newspaper. the words say "mr. president, please act." my question is, if you have a conservative newspaper saying this, how long will republicans continue this stance of it's not the time to talk about this now.
>> they will remain silent and hope we remain silent. they will do it for as long as they can get away with it. you should get involved. these folks will do absolutely nothing. they made that as clear as they possibly could. they would not go on national television to defend it. the a plus rating from the nra, the people who believe in this stuff and the laws they championed are so, so, so extreme. yet they won't talk about it. they want to get reelected and quietly move along. lee zelden, a lawmakers, one of the co-sponsors of the conceal carry reciprocity act. if you were allowed to carry a concealed weapon in georgia or a place with lax laws, you can come to new york city and authorities would force you to
carry that weapon. completely out of step with what people in new york would want. yet he is one of the members who won't give an interview or talk about it or won't defend it or excuse it. just wants to slide past the election in november. everybody has to get involved. pick a district. focus on it. learn about it. get involved. volunteer. donate money. whatever you want to do, now is the time. not the next massacre or the one after that. >> follow the money. that explains why they are hesitant to come forward and say anything about this issue in particular. i want to shift gears to russia. rick gates. it is cnn's reporting that he has made or is in the process of making a deal with robert mueller in this russia investigation. looking into whether there was any collusion or things of that sort relating to the last election. how significant is that? >> very significant.
rick gates was a top assistant to paul manafort. not just in the campaign, but inauguration. he carried over past the election. he has been involved in some back and forth. you can never tell exactly what's going on. he has to change his lawyers. he has financial problems. he has four young kids at home and a wife. he has been under house arrest for months. he has to get out from under this. he is not a wealthy man. he has to put an end to this. what we can tell from the reporting from cnn is that he will go in and tell them everything he knows. that can't be good for the trump team which has been saying this is a witch hunt. this is somebody part of the transition and campaign. knows a lot and is now talking openly and freely with the special prosecutor. >> they are not interested in making a plea deal. errol louis, thank you for
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start." i'm dave briggs in parkland, florida with rene marsh in new york. we begin with the latest on the florida high school shooting as families hold vigil and begin to say good-bye to their children. charging documents in the case show 19-year-old nikolas cruz has confessed to being the gunman. we learned the fbi was warned about cruz by someone who saw a threatening post online. that post, one of many, that offered disturbing glimpses into his mental state. all 17 victims have been identified by the broward sheriff and as lawmakers fumble with what to do or not to do, this morning, the conservative murdoch owned newspaper cover. "mr. president, please act on gun control." accompanied by the editorial. seven people remain in the hospital. four in critical condition. for the latest we learned on the attack before and after, we turn to rosa flores in parkland, florida. good morning, rosa.
>> reporter: good morning, dave. the suspect faces 17 counts of premeditated murder. this morning, from probable cause documents, we learned he confessed to the crimes. from police, we are learning how he made this massacre. according to police, they say he took an uber to the campus and two minutes later he started firing his ar-15 style rifle. ten minutes later, he set the rifle down and started blending in with students. that's how he fled the scene. he stopped by a few stores. about an hour later, a police officer patrolling the residential area noticed he was walking down the street. he remembered the description of the suspect. he says his training kicked in and he was apprehended without an issue. we are also learning from police reports that the police were called to his home 39 times
since 2010 for things like domestic disturbance and mentally ill person. from the court appointed attorney, we learned she has had conversations with the suspect. she is not revealing what the conversations are, but she is saying he is mournful. take a listen. >> he is a broken human being. he is a broken child. he is sad. he's mournful. he is remorseful. he is fully aware of what is going on. he's just a broken human being. >> reporter: a second instagram account reveals more photos of guns and obsession with firearms. it shows photographs of a bed with firearms. another video surfaced showing him in his backyard. almost practicing target practice. a neighbor saying that they saw
him act very weird in that backyard. dave, all of this, of course, law enforcement taking a look and collecting the evidence as they prepare for this trial. dave. >> rosa, thanks. questions this morning about whether the fbi missed an opportunity to stop the parkland massacre. a video blogger warned the bureau of the apparent school shooting threat from the youtube user with the same name as the gunman. it said i'm going to be a professional school shooter. the blogger reported on the video post. the fbi did a field search and the fbi could not identify the commenter. so local law enforcement was not notified of the possible threat. let's discuss this with charles ramsey. former police chief in washington, d.c. and philadelphia. good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> let's talk about that
development that is a surprise to so many across the country who say wait. this guy identified himself with the user name and almost wanting people to find out who he was. how could they not identify where this person lived and notify law enforcement? >> that is part of the debrief afterwards to find out what they knew and could they have traced this back to an ip address to have led them to the individual. he gave a game, but he is not the only -- he gave a name, but he is not the only person with that name. that's what they have to look into to see if more could have been done. this is all in hindsight. we have to take that into account as well. it is a legitimate question. >> from the feds to the local law enforcement. dozens of police visits to the cruz household. the attention on the social media post. disturbing instagram photos of guns and knives. two accounts showing the
disturbing images. mental health treatment. when you look at this together, should law enforcement do something different? was there something they missed collectively that other states and cities can learn? >> you have to balance privacy and security. >> sure. >> we have multiple locations where we go constantly calls for service. you have people and you would be surprised the number of people with photographs of themselves with weapons annual d jewelry a money. drug dealer does this as well as ordinary people who take pictures posing like this, but it doesn't mean it leads to a school shooting or any shooting at all. if the warning signs are there and the information that you get is such that this person poses an immediate threat, that's a different ball game. then you can take action. >> you are right. one of the biggest instagram stars is famous for showing off his weapons. he was at the las vegas concert
shooting, eironically. let's talk about what can be done. governor rick scott taking a courageous stand for now saying he -- saying everything is on the table. what should be done that might prevent this? >> people need action and people need leadership. not just empty words. it is good to say now in the heat of the moment. it fades away. you need to bring the right people to the table. you need the mental health professionals and law enforcement and constitutional scholars. have the nra. gun advocacy groups. all of these people need to be heard to look at this comprehensively and come up with the strategy to fill the voids and gaps. >> you said something important there. when it fades away. the conversation will move. we will leave. the country will stop talking about this. >> yeah. >> how do we keep the conversation alive? >> part of it, the media can
help keep it alive. people have to stay engaged and not let this fall off the plate. you know, we have short attention spans as a country. we tend to deal with the crisis of the moment or the story of the moment. we don't think back and reflect on some of the things that are wrong in the country that need to be fixed. there will be another school shooting or mass shooting. it is unfortunate, but it is reali reality until we start doing something about it. at least lessen the likelihood. >> charles ramsey, thank you. all of the victims from the mass shooting have been identified. teacher and athletic director. a football coach and 14 teenagers with their entire lives ahead of them. lost. 16-year-old carmen schentrup was a semifinalist for the 2018 national merit scholarship. nicholas dworet, a 17-year-old senior, headed to the university of indianapolis in the fall on a
diving scholarship. 49-year-old chris hixon. the school athletic director na. his wife describes him as awesome father and husband. jaime guttenberg. a 14-year-old dancer. her father fred holding back tears at the vigil last night. >> i sent her to school yesterday. she was supposed to be safe. my job is to protect my children and i sent my kid to school. in the morning sometimes things get crazy. she runs out. she said i got to go, dad. bye. i don't always get to say i love you. i don't remember if i said that to jaime yesterday morning.
>> your heart goes out to all of these parents. 14-year-old alaina petty loved to serve the community. she was a member of the school rotc and helped rebuild lives after hurricane irma. aaron feis. an american hero. the 37-year-old assistant football coach was killed as he used his body to shield students from gunfire. a colleague says, quote, he died the same way he lived. he put himself second. joaquin oliver was 17. a family friend describes him as good hearted kid who loved his family and being around other people. 14-year-old alyssa alhadeff was a travel soccer star. her mother lori demanding action on gun violence. >> the gunman, crazy person, just walks into the school and knocks down the window of my child's door and starts shooting. shooting her.
and killing her! president trump, you say what can you do! you can stop the guns from getting into these children's hands! this is not fair to our families. our children go to school and have to get killed! i spent the last two hours putting the burial arrangements for my daughter's funeral. she is 14. president trump, please do something! >> lori will join my colleague alisyn after this program. luke hoyer was 15. he loved basketball and mac and cheese. his cousin said he was always happy and smiling. an amazing individual. 35-year-old teacher scott beigel died trying to usher students back to his classroom when the shooting began. kelsey friend, one the beigel's students saved her life. >> he will be my hero. i will never forget the actions
he took for me and for fellow students in the classroom. if his family is watching this, please know that your son or your brother was an amazing person and i am alive today because of him. >> heroes often watered down in this country. not in this case. there are seven other victims. we don't know as much about them, but we know their names. martin duque was 14. described by his brother miguel as a funny kid. cara loughran. the 14-year-old dancer. her dance studio calls her a beautiful soul. and meadow pollack. preparing to attend the university in boca. gina montalto. a 14-year-old member of the school state champion marching band. alex schachter. 14. his brother survived the shooting. peter wang, 15. also a member of the school rotc program. and helena ramsey.
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i want to speak now directly to america's children. especially those who feel lost, alone, confused or even scared. i want you to know that you are never alone and you never will be. you have people who care about you, who love you and who will do anything at all to protect you. answer hate with love. answer cruelty with kindness. >> president trump addressing the florida school shooting with plenty of empathy, but not a single mention of guns. the president says he is planning to go to parkland, florida to meet with families and officials. he says he will meet with state
governors and attorneys general later this month to discuss making schools safer. i want to bring in political commentator errol louis. >> good morning. >> the first question is consoler in chief. the role. he spoke out yesterday. speaking to the nation on this issue. how is he doing in the role of consoler in chief? >> it is difficult to sort of be the consoler in chief if you will not tie action to it. it was difficult for president obama. he was trying to push for legislation. it is harder to console people and sort of subtly convey nothing will change. the president, that statement you played, is better than what he first said which was along the lines of blaming the community that according to some of the tweets he put out, sort of knew this person was in danger, but did not alert authorities. as more information came out,
they did alert authorities. there are questions of the fbi why if they knew the child was considered a danger to local people, they did not take action in advance. the president, i think, will sort of try and console, but try to move on. this is an uncomfortable place for him and the republican party. >> to that point, i want to talk about politics and where we go from here because this is like a terrible nightmare of deja vu here. it happens. we talk about it and congress does nothing. i want to flip it a bit. when you look at the state of florida. you don't need a permit or license to buy a gun. you don't have to register your firearm. you can buy as many guns as you want at one time. we have been leaning on congress and people in washington. should we be leaning harder on the state governments to do something about this? >> absolutely, rene. the day after the massacre in
tallahassee, there was a lawmakers to slip a program into the agriculture bill. there is a lot of action in the statehouses, out of sight, out of mind which is where the fight has to take place. it is not a matter of getting a law passed in congress. although the numbers suggest that would be a great thing to take away some of the weapons of mass destruction. it is a fight that has to happen in every culture and statehouse in the nation. you have to push back against a concerted well funded effort to put guns everywhere. to strip away every common sense protection that the poll suggests. what are you describing. does everybody think 18 and 19-year-olds should be able to buy large capacity magazines and high-powered rifles? it is a discussion that doesn't happen because people get me
mezmerized by the conversation. just as restrictions on cars and trucks and other devices that cause harm. >> in the little bit of time we have left, i want to talk about the big fail on capitol hill. immigration. the bipartisan plan would have paired pathway to citizenship for nearly 2 million dreamers. it also would have put in $25 billion for the security at the border. that failed. also, the white house backed plan which was more conservative. that failed. what does this mean for the dreamers? where does this leave them? >> it is one of the perverse situation. all of the bills failed and each had a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers. 1.8 million people brought here as children. all of them had that. everything else fell apart. the real issue, rene, is not the folks who are brought here and undocumented.
it is legal immigration. that is where the democrats and republicans cannot get to 60 votes. that's really the problem. the visa lottery, the family reunification policies. that's the fight. >> when you talk to lawmakers and you ask what is next and they say they don't know. errol louis, thank you for joining us. coming up, reaction to the florida shooting. stretching all the way to nba all-star weekend in los angeles. that's coming up next. okay folks! let's team up to get the lady of the house back on her feet. and help her feel more strength and energy in just two weeks yaaay! the complete balanced nutrition of (great tasting) ensure with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. ensure. always be you.
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well, the nba has reached its all-star break. our own andy scholes is in los angeles for the game. many members of the league are speaking out in light of what happened in florida, speaking out on gun violence. >> yeah, that's right. good morning, rene. whether it be players or coaches, they have always been strong on social issues. charles barkley thinks no one should be allowed to own a semiautomatic weapon. i asked charles why he thinks nothing ever changes after one school shooting after another. >> the democrats and the republicans are both full of crap. let's get that out of the way. but what bothers me the most is if i wanted to go and buy a mercedes, let's say hypothetically i was poor and i walked into a mercedes
dealership and i said i want to get this on credit, they would do a comprehensive background check on me. the fact that we don't do that for somebody getting guns in that capacity is ridiculous. >> barkley telling me he thought it was absolutely unbelievable, rene, that the shooter had so many things on social media, and all of that went unnoticed and unflagged in terms of stopping what happened. >> charles barkley never at a loss for words. thank you so much,'d scholes, live for us this morning in los angeles. american olympians offering their condolences to the families of the victims. >> rene, the athletes, all of us at cnn can feel the pain, and hear the voices of those hurting back in the united states. chris mazdzer saw the news last
night and he texted this showing support of those affected. >> i want to send my thoughts, prayers, wishes to anyone who was affected by this terrible parkland massacre. we're all thinking about you over here in south korea. and just know that we are one big team usa. >> we have more olympians speaking out here. we will bring those to you as the morning goes on. rene? >> thanks for joining us, for dave briggs in florida, i'm republic rene marsh. "new day" starts now. >> it would be hard put for another case flashing more signs than this young man right here. >> it seems the dots should have been connected here. >> for parents, we are here for you to ease your pain. >> president trump, you need to help us now. we need security now for all of these children. >> if now is not the right time, when is the right