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and went right through the house, didn't see patty hearst, didn't see the guns, didn't see anything, just saw a fire in the backyard. that's how incompetent and comedy of errors this whole thing was. >> an all new episode of the radical story of patty hearst airs tomorrow, 9:00 p.m. eastern, right here on cnn. we've got much more straight ahead in the "newsroom." it all starts right now. hello, again, thank you for joining me this saturday. i'm fredricka whitfield in washington, d.c. we begin this hour with new questions about the immediate response to the parkland florida shooting. the broward county sheriff's office is investigating the actions of three broward county deputies who were outside the school and had not rushed in when other officers from coral springs, florida, had arrived. this is in addition to the one broward county sheriff's deputy who did not enter the building as the shooting unfolded. that officer has since resigned. this, as we're learning chilly
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new details about warning signs before the massacre. cnn's kaylee hartung is live in florida where this makeshift memorial has been set up behind you. we're hearing more from the broward sheriff's office as well? >> we are, fred. first we heard from the broward county sheriff scott israel that he was sick to his stomach when he watched surveillance video that showed one of his deputies take up a position outside the 1200 building at stoneman douglas for upwards of four minutes while the killer was inside. and now we're learning through sources with the coral springs police department that they were surprised when they arrived on campus and found three other broward county sheriff's on that campus taking up defensive positions behind their vehicles with their weapons drawn. none of these four men making an effort to enter that building. and as the sheriff said, do their job which would have been to approach the killer and kill
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the killer. this disturbing information coming to light, fred, as the broward county sheriff says they will be investigating these officers. sources say after these tapes are reviewed we can expect a report likely in the next week. >> all right, kaylee hartung, lots of questions. thank you so much. so there were countless warning signs and red flags leading up to the shooting. concerns from strangers, teachers, neighborhoods and acquaintances. but somehow the shooter still fell through the cracks of multiple law enforcement levels. here's a look back. the fbi failed to follow up on a hot line typical warning the shooter is going to explode. broward county sheriff's office said they received 23 calls over the last decade about the shooter and his family. police visited the shooter's home 39 times over 7 years. the shooter posted pictures of guns on instagram and made violent comments on the social media site. and florida social services
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investigated the shooter after he posted violent videos. a broward county deputy found the shooter had knives and a bb gun. shooter had been removed from stoneman douglas high school for disciplinary reasons and educators referred him to counseling. deputy mayor of rochester new york, sedrick alexander, joining me right now. he's also a former public safety director in georgia. sedrick, good to see you. >> good seeing you as well. >> so many are so aghast that there are so many warning signs that came before that day of the massacre. and people are wondering how in the world could this have happened? is this an issue of somehow he fell through the cracks. or people didn't know what to do with these warning signs? how do you see it? >> well, i think this particular case is a good example of we have so much information that's out there that's not connecting to where it needs to connect at
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a certain period of time. if you go back and you consider the fact there is 39 calls for service over a seven-year period, that may sound like a lot, fred, but the fact of the matter is, is that broward county probably answers anywhere from a half a million to a million call ace we're for service. that's a lot of calls for service. and what -- >> yes, but when it involves the same subject, that is unusual, 39 calls right? >> but i will tell you this, having been a law enforcement professional. you're going to find a number of cases like that for calls for service where officers go to the same house over and over and over. now, what has to happen here, we're going to have to find a way and create a system where we have those types of calls for service, where there's guns involves, where there's mental eth, where there's an outcry for help, and we got to find a way to flag those, so appropriate help can be intervened at the right time.
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but it is a huge task when you are answering that many calls for service. so we have to create a system, or a system has to be created, that will alert us and not to intervene but really close that case or keep that case open, where someone is actually working it. because if we don't, then we're going to see more of this going forward. >> so what do you mean by that? because, you know, and there are still so many things that we don't know. these are the reported things that we do know. the 39 calls, you know. many calls from people who said he was using, you know, dangerous language to the social media kind of postings. but when you say, you know, there has to be some sort of system to allow you to intervene, when apparently or at least reportedly there had been attention paid to the household and then once it was discovered this individual is also receiving some kind of mental health, that he was considered kind of a low grade, you know,
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danger so what are you suggesting needs to supplement or even replace what's already in existence? officers come -- >> i believe -- >> you know, family members say there's mental health treatment already, but then what? >> here's going to be the huge capacity of work that's going to be placed on law enforcement across country. as a result of a failure in a whole lot of places. is that there are thousands of calls like this are placed every day. and millions of calls like this that go out. in addition, if we go up on social media at this very moment, fred, we'll see a host of sites, personal sites, where people are waving guns, they're masked up, they're making erratic statements that can be deemed threatening and there's thousands of them. a lot of things has to happen. social media's going to have to develop a parameter of what they're going to tolerate and not tolerate that go up on those websites. so they've got to tighten their belt. social services in our states have to tighten their belt to make sure there's adequate
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follow-up. the fbi in this case that took ownership that something went wrong, they'll go and they'll look at what they need to do in order to tighten their system so you don't have this failure of what we just saw here recently. so for all of us, it's just a matter of tightening our procedures. because oftentimes the procedures are there, fred, but they're not followed through on. but we have to be able to make sure that connections is made between those who are potentially threatening and dangerous and making sure that social service, law enforcement and others are able to intervene and not just go there to show up and check a box to say we went there, but really to get some real help there to those people who may need it. so we can't take any of this lightly anymore. because this is very, very serious. and for those who go up on social media, making these types of gestures that are threatening, i implore upon you to stop. because this is just getting to
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be too much and we cannot allow ourselves as a society, as a nation, for our law enforcement to try to be tracking all of these events. we need help from the public. we need help from the social media corporates as well. >> all right, sedrick alexander, we'll leave it there for now, thanks so much. all right, coming up, three trump campaign officials have pleaded guilty in the russia investigation. and while we're learning more about them, we don't know much about the man behind the investigation. we're going to take a closer look at special counsel robert muellerp. next. trivia, but it gets pretty intense. -ahh. -the new guy. -whoa, he looks -- -he looks exactly like me. -no. -separated at birth much? we should switch name tags, and no one would know who was who. jamie, you seriously think you look like him? uh, i'm pretty good with comparisons. like how progressive helps people save money by comparing rates, even if we're not the lowest. even if we're not the lowest. whoa! wow. i mean, the outfit helps, but pretty great.
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special counsel robert mueller filing new criminal charges in his ongoing russia investigation. paul manafort now facing several new indictments. prosecutors say the former trump campaign chairman secretly paid millions of dollars to former european politicians to lobby for ukraine in the u.s. manafort now faces five federal criminal charges in washington. on top of the 18 charges in virginia. the new indictments coming down just hours after his associate, rick gates, pleaded guilty to two criminal charges. gates is now the third trump associate known to be working with mueller's investigation. special counsel robert mueller isn't taking a break or backing down. despite repeated attacks by president trump and gop lawmakers. but as news from the russia investigation surfaces, mueller himself remains a bit of a mystery. cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger takes an in depth look at the man behind one of the most important and
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polarizing investigations in modern political history. >> fred, during his nine months on the job, special counsel robert mueller has been busy, indicting 22 people and companies, securing five guilty pleas and on friday, getting the cooperation of trump campaign aide rick gates. but who is this virtually silent special counsel? a man of few words but clearly lots of action. special counsel robert mueller is a mystery man. perhaps the most private public figure in washington. but as the leader of the russia investigation, he's also at political ground zero. >> i think the public trust in this whole thing is gone. >> reporter: and in the sights of a president who wanted him fired. >> last june, president trump orders the firing of special counsel -- >> reporter: putting mueller in
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the bizarre position of investigating whether the president tried to fire him. but you'll never hear about it from mueller. >> i mean, this is someone who has turned down more press conferences and interviews than most people in washington ever get the chance to give. he doesn't really like talking about himself. he doesn't really like speaking with the press. >> reporter: at the start, mueller was a bipartisan favorite. >> he would have been on anybody's list of let's say the top five people in the country to have taken on this kind of a responsibility. >> we all need to let mr. mueller do his job. >> reporter: with a long resume. at 73, he's been involved for decades in some of the justice department's most celebrated cases. mobster john gotti. pan man yum dictator manuel noriega. and the pan am 103 bombing in lockerbie scotland in 1998. a case that still remains personal.
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>> i'll never forget the visit i made to lockerbie where i saw the small wooden warehouse in which were stored the various effects of your loved ones. a white sneaker. a syracuse sweatshirt. christmas presents and photographs. >> he's been effectively the same bob mueller in every place he has ever worked. whether that was the u.s. attorney's office in san francisco in the 1970s. whether that was the george h.w. bush administration in the 1980s. whether that was the d.c. homicide prosecutor's office in the 1990s or the fbi in the 2000s. he is hard driving. he's tenacious. he is incredibly thorough. and has a very strong sense of right or wrong. >> reporter: not republican or democrat. >> 4 1/2 years of whatever, 2,000 meetings, i didn't hear him say anything political. >> reporter: really? washington? >> yes, i know that sounds good. he might have said "that guy's a
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jerk." i didn't see it as a partisan issue. >> reporter: how would you describe his politics? >> not. >> reporter: as if there are none? >> he's apolitical. he's nonpartisan. he is a -- i think it's become quite clear, a pretty law and order guy. but he doesn't speak of things in political terms. >> reporter: partly why president bush picked him to run the fbi in 2001. >> the fbi must remain independent of politics aunt uncompromising in its mission. >> reporter: mueller arrivaled at the fbi just seven days before 9/11. he served most of his term under bush. when president obama asked him to stay for two more years, it required an act of congress. the senate approved 100-0. his m.o., a by the books guy even after hours. >> people told me, wow, we're going to the director's house, a
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guy who never really interacts with us. at the end of the party, he would flick the lights. it's going 7:00 to 9:00. at 9:03, well, it's on the invitation, 7:00 to 9:00. >> reporter: married for 50 years to a former teacher, the father of two daughters, there still wasn't much small talk about family at work. a little really buttoned up and buttoned down boss. >> i remember telling him, director, you wear a white button down shirt every day. can you wear like -- i asked him finally years after he had been director, you know, what was the deal with the white shirts when you were at the fbi. he said, i understood i was leading the fbi through a wrenching period of change. i wanted to wear the white shirt because i wanted the other fbi agents to be able to know that this was still the agency that they had signed up to join. >> reporter: his dress code as unforgiving as his work ethic.
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>> he was in the office between 6:00 and 6:30 every morning. and he would always plop his briefcase down on the chair opposite my desk. not sit down and kibbitz or shoot the breeze. immediately, what's happening, what's going on. >> reporter: what if you're not a good briefer? >> then you're done. >> done? >> then you're done. the boss likes a good briefer. people used to work up at 4:00 in the morning and study for two hours before briefing the boss. it was like the big test of the day. there's not a lot of back and forth. very quickly. you're going to go through the details of the case. >> reporter: when you assume that he is managing the special counsel investigation the same way? >> heck yeah. i wouldn't assume it. it's not like a professional choice. that's his dna. what's going on today? what do you got? i don't want to hear a lot of noise. i want to hear what the facts are. what's your judgment? what do you think? okay. next, here's our decision, let's go. i never saw insecurity or nervousness ever. >> reporter: never? >> never. >> reporter: the pressure on
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mueller now as special counsel is intense, but he's seen worse. >> don't forget this is a man in his early 20s fought in vietnam. i don't think there's anything in washington that's going to give him any type of fear that he faced when he was a young man. >> reporter: mueller grew up in the wealthy philadelphia suburbs and attended an elite boarding school. a classmate of john kerry. then to princeton. but the combat death of classmate david hackett in vietnam inspired mueller to join the marines. >> he was wounded in combat, shot through the leg, received bronze star with valor. purple heart. and, you know, was right back in the fight a couple of weeks later. >> i always did consider myself fortunate to have lived through the war in vietnam and there were many men such as david hackett who did not. in some sense, you feel you have been given a second lease on life and you want to make the most of it to contribute in some way. >> reporter: after graduating at
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the university of virginia law school, mueller soon found his way to the department of justice. and remained there for most of the next four decades. >> my colleagues here at the department of justice past and present -- >> reporter: with two short breaks to give private practice a try. >> bob mueller has been notoriously unhappy every time he has tried to be in private practice. you just can't defend guilty people. me with a client, he'll meet with a client, they'll explain the problem and he'll say, it sounds like you should go to jail then. >> reporter: so he'll tell his client? >> sounds like you're guilty. bob muler is someone who sees the world in very black and white terms. >> reporter: by 2004, mueller was running the fbi when his phone rang. it was james comey. then deputy attorney general. it was the first time mueller and comey would find themselves in a very controversial legal drama. >> i was very upset. i was angry. >> reporter: comey was worried the bush administration was
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determined to keep a warrantless eavesdropping program that mueller, comey and their boss, attorney general john ashcroft, thought was illegal. but ashcroft was in the hospital, recovering from surgery, leaving comey in charge. >> i was concerned that, given how ill i knew the attorney general was, that there might be an effort to ask him to overrule me when he was in no condition to do that. called director mueller with whom i'd been discussing this particular matter. and had been a great help to me over that week. and told him what was happening. he said, i'll meet you at the hospital right now. >> reporter: they had to literally race administration officials to ashcroft's bedside. >> director mueller instructed the fbi agents present not to allow me to be removed from the room under any circumstances. >> reporter: in the end, ashcroft backed comey and mueller. >> he enlisted bob mueller because he knew bob mueller had
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this incredible nonpartisan reputation in washington while comey might be able to be personally blamed for having political motives or thinking politics. no one was going to be able to attach that label to bob mueller. >> reporter: that was then. now trump used their relationship with suspicion. >> very, very good friends with comey. which is very bothersome. >> reporter: mueller's loyalists deny it. but it's all part of the new landscape as he investigates the president. >> in congress, we just assume politics infects and invades everything. >> reporter: and it has. news of disparaging text messages about trump led mueller to remove a member of his team. >> i think they're devastating. they're beyond showing political preferences. very much impacts people's perception of fairness. >> reporter: then the president declassified a document challenging the fbi's professional behavior. >> i think it's a disgrace.
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what's going on in this country. i think it's a disgrace. >> reporter: the intended message to mueller was clear. your investigation is contaminated. mueller remains silent, instead, let being his work speak for itself. >> he is the best hope to produce a product that my fellow citizens can have confidence in. it will not come from congress. let me assure you of that. it is not going to come from a bunch of politicians. i hope it can come from a former marine who is the head of the fbi and the u.s. attorney, but he's got to be mindful of the perception. i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and i'm going to wait on the product that he produces. >> reporter: and just when will that final product be produced? just one more thing mueller is keeping to himself. fred. >> mystery indeed. coming up, president trump has proposed arming teachers in the wake of the florida school
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listening, is the new reading. text audio22 to five hundred five hundred to start listening today. all right, welcome back, i'm fredricka whitfield in washington, d.c. the broward county sheriff's office in florida has now confirmed to cnn they are investigating claims that three additional deputies waited outside marjory stoneman douglas high school while students were gunned down. school resource officer scott peterson resigned from his position after it was discovered that he didn't enter the school once the shooting began. president trump suggested that arming adept and highly trained, end quote, teachers with guns would prevent future school massacres. the idea has been met with both criticism and praise. but one school in texas is already putting the president's proposal into action. here now is cnn's ed lavandera.
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>> we'll do whatever is necessary to protect our kids and staff. >> reporter: this is the stark message that greets you when you walk into one of the two school buildings in callisburg, texas. the superintendant overseas what the school district calls the guardian program. a small force of volunteer school staff allowed to carry a concealed firearm. he says they're equipped to confront an active shooter. >> we don't want to be at the mercy of, you know, somebody that's intent on doing harm. we refuse to be that person. >> reporter: in the wake of the stoneman douglas high school shooting, the idea of arming teachers has sparked outrage. >> am i supposed to have a kevlar vest? supposed to strap it to my leg? >> i don't believe teachers should be armed. i believe teachers should teach. >> reporter: in some mostly rural communities across the country, the idea of arming teachers is welcomed even by some students. like this freshman and junior at
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callisburg high school who ask we not identify them. >> i feel protected. i don't feel lake they're going to threaten me in any way. i know if someone came in, i know they're going to handle it. >> i feel really safe knowing that i can, like, come to school and if there's, like, an incident that does happen, that they'll be able to, like, protect us. >> reporter: out of the roughly 1,000 school districts across the state of texas, there are about 170 that have a policy of allowing teachers or administrators to carry a firearm on campus. here in the small town of callisburg, their guardian program was implemented about four years ago. in large part because the city doesn't have a local police department. they rely on county sheriffs. and in the county this large, it can take many minutes for deputies to respond to a shooting scene inside a school. he says the school guardian force undergoes training once a year and routine target practice
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at gun ranges. but critics say that isn't enough. the school officer at stoneman douglas who was trained far more extensively waited outside the building as the gunman unleashed a deadly massacre. he is convinced if his guardians face the same ordeal, they won't flinch. >> we're trying to put our teachers in a position to be better equipped to protect their kids. and i have complete faith in our team. that they're willing to stand up and protect our people. >> reporter: the armed teachers here haven't faced the worst case scenario. so the question remains how will they react if they're forced to face alavandera, cnn, callisbur texas. >> i want to bring in brandon thompson. he is the dean of students at friendship public charter school right here in d.c., in southeast d.c., and he was also part of that group that met with the president at the white house
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following the parkland shooting, that listening session, brandon was there. you said the president in that conversation, you told him actually that you do have, you know, checkpoints at your school. you've got metal detectors that greet the students there. does that system, mr. thompson, i should say, you know, make you feel more comfortable and your students more comfortable? >> i think that the key thing for us at our school, friendship, where we have such a family feel, and so we have armed ourselves, our school has armed ourselves with school counsel counselor, school psychologist. so knowing our students within the classroom, outside the classroom, so huge thing for us was the checkpoints. when our students walk into the door, they're greeted. they're also there where we're able to have counselors and psychologists and student -- other student representatives to
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be there to also be able to instill certain things in them. so i think for us at our school, we are armed to be able to know our students and pretty much know what's going on with them. >> in the case of parkland, they seem to know this young man. there were a lot of red flags that fellow students, teachers, had let authorities know about it. but when you heard the president directly while you were in that listening session at the white house say he proposes arming teachers with weaponry, you were a social studies teacher at that school just two years ago. if you were asked to, you know, pack a weapon going to school, a, what would your reply be? and then, b, you know, how does that impact i guess your approach to teaching? >> so personally for me, i would not carry a gun. i went to school. i was educated, went to college
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to become a teacher. i want to teach. a police officer and a teacher have two different mind sets. a teacher wants to be there to support a student. however, a police officer has a total different mind set. so for me personally, i would not carry a gun. i think it also takes away from what you're doing as a teacher. a teacher has a million and one things to do. grading papers. calling parents. so the last thing you want to be is a correction officer trying to follow up on a teacher. i think about other casualties that will come behind that. so for me -- >> what do you mean by that? >> for me thinking about casualties as -- we've had several moments within, you know, african-american community. we have other casualties in schools where teachers may have felt threatened and it wasn't a real threat. we had other things in school. so i wouldn't do it then. i also think about the person carrying a gun. if i'm responsible going into a hallway to shoot a gun, a 6'1"
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black man holding a gun, it may not turn out, you know, great for me. >> you're afraid first responders come, see you holding the gun and you have been assigned to help protect the student body, that now there's a mistaken identity problem. >> uh-huh. >> you might be mistaken for the gunman as opposed to the teacher who is armed to help? >> yes. >> to serve and protect? >> yes. going back to those things of having students having those check-ins as we do, you know, at our school we have metal detectors and x-ray bag machine. having those things and also having been at a place with having counselors and school psych gists psychologists and my principal, miss booth, miss booth oftentimes has an open door policy, so our students can, at friendship, we instill core values in our kids. so it's their responsibility, if they see one of their friends not feeling so good today, they'll come and say, hey, such and such is not feeling well today. so at that point, it triggers me. it triggers other staff members to go in.
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so we can ensure, you know, they're having a good day. so oftentimes, we're able to get through a tough time that students are having or a situation because we have those things. trained people to deal with the mental health. but also we, like i said, we get to know our kids. we're able to help them through different situations. >> it's something you mentioned, you thought that if schools are going to be armed, there are other things they ought to be armed with. what are those things you have in mind? >> things they should be armed with. one, i would say you need a trained school psychologist knowing your students and the demographics. like i said at the white house, we're in ward eight, one of the most impoverished wards in d.c. we have family members and staff members that come from ward eight, that know what our students are doing. we do have teachers who are on our security team who actually live in the same area with some of our students. and so they actually know the students. we actually know our parents. and our parents will call and
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the massacre at marjorie dougman high school is reintensifying the gun debate. bump stocks can turn semiautomatic weapons into rapid fire guns. >> we want to be very powerful, very strong on background checks and especially as it pertains to the mentally ill. we're going to get rid of bump stocks and do certain other things. >> the debate first surfaced in the wake of the los angeles shooting rampage last october. the lone gunman was armed with 12 rifles equipped with bump stocks. the national rifle association says it supports the ban but congress has been slow to act. joining me right now, avery freeman, a civil rights attorney and law professor and richard herman, a new york criminal defense attorney and law professor. good to see you both. >> hi, fred.
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>> hi, fredricka. >> okay so president trump has said, you know, he supports the ban on bump stocks but the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms and explosives is not so sure that a ban on accessories is possible. richard, what kind of legal issues could gun manufacturers actually raise with such a ban? >> well, fred, you would think the president would surround himself with the most intelligent legal minds and politicians in the country before he gets up and panders and makes an ignorant statement that we're going to get rid of bump stocks. and then assigned jeff sessions to do that. sessions has no authority to do that. sessions can't do that. because like you said atf is defined a bump stock as an accessory. it's not a firearm. therefore you can't ban it. and simply for the viewers, fred, an automatic weapon is a weapon that -- machine guns are banned. you depress the trigger and rapid fire comes out.
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a semiautomatic weapon, you have to depress the trigger each time to get a shot. the bump stock is the plastic piece that goes on the back of the rifle. pressure with your arm, it turns that semiautomatic into an automatic. you get rid of a bump stock, they'll put a towel there. they'll put a piece of -- they'll put some other device there. bump stock is not even the tip of the iceberg, fred. but for our purposes, congress has to act. dianne feinstein has proposed an act and now is the time to act. >> and richard, would bit the banning of the manufacturing or the sales and can you do that in free enterprise? >> it is the bank of taking the bump stock and attaching it the to any rifle to convert the rifle into machine gun and that is what the ban is going to be
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and what the law is in some states. >> and avery, how do you see this when you are trauk about t -- when you are talking about this new poll showing that americans support the ban on bump stocks. >> when the president says to the attorney general, look, i need you to do reser arch on th. and that is a diffraction, because the atf has done the legal research and that legal memorandum concluded that the executive branch cannot regulate. and in fact, in 2013, congress requested a copy of the at atf legal memorandum on bump stocks, and so, congress knows, and so when the president says that we will ban bump stocks, and he wants to have the attorney general to do research, the problem is that it has been researched ultimately, i agree. the executive branch, there is nothing it can do and it has to
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go to the congress, and i also agree that the california s senator diane weinstein also proposed legislation right after las vegas, and you know what? it died. so at the end of the day, whatever is being said that the white house is going to do something, unless it uses the bully pulpit p, fredricka and goes to congress and says, i support this regulation, it is not going to happen. it is congress or nobody. >> hmm. >> and that is not going to happen either, fred. if you are getting on the annual basis $3 to $8 million from the nra, you are not going to be risking that and ban anything that the nra stands for. >> that is why the president has to stand up. >> he is not going to give them the money. the president can stand up whatever he wants, but he is not giving the congressmen or the house of rerepresentatives the money. they want the money and they won't jeopardize it.
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it is a bad situation, fred. >> it is interesting, because florida's governor rick scott has top notch ratings from the nra and at the same time, he is calling on his state to ban the purchasing of bump stocks and in fact, this was him yesterday. listen. >> it is obvious that we can't trust the federal process which is why we have to make the changes here in florida. i'm an nra member. i'm a supporter of the second amendment. and the first amendment and the entire bill of rights for that matter. i'm also a father and a grandfather and a governor. we all have a difficult task in front of us. balancing the individual rights with our obvious need for public safety. >> so is, richard, is that the issu issue? that thet battleground is different on the federal level versus on the state level? >> it is different, fred. but this is the same governor
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who just recently struck down president obama's bill that if you have mental health issues you can't get a license and he says, no, you should be able to get a license with mental health issues and this guy is just talking out of his butt. and this is just garbage that they spew. >> so, he has changed his mind or evolved because of what happened in his backyard. >> wrong. he is a liar, and they are all lie yars, fred. >> and wait a minute. look. look, we have a different situation, and parkland i think that it has changed america. there are governors around the country, and whatever position they have taken in the past, the factt is that the governor is right, there has to be a balance. look, i don't think that this has anything to do with the second amendment, but the bottom the line is that if congress is not going to dot it, it really shift s shifts to the states like florida, like ohio and like pennsylvania to take action here. it is going to be the leadership of the governors, because don't count on congress, because it is not going to happen. >> not going to happen in
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flori florida, either, fred. new york has a law that says that you can't buy a bump stock and then attach it to the rifle, but you can buy a bump stock, and so that is the law with the bump stocks, but bump stocks are not the tip of the iceberg, fred. it goes much deeper than a bump stock. >> and it is much deeper to ar-15z which were used in florida and we will see if the governor wants to tackle that and that is the real issue. >> all right. we will leave it there, gentlemen. >> and fred, we have to give a shot out to lumpian who took such great care of sarah edwards there and taught her how to surf. >> ma halo. okay. thank you for being here. >> glad to be back. i think you just did. you both can get a much better view of the game
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all right. hello, again, everyone, and thank you for joining me this saturday. i'm fredricka whitfield at the nation's capital. pushback against the national rifle association, and the airlines are a list of growing companies cutting ties with the nra. de delta and american airlines are two of the multitude of big corporations taking a stand in the gun debate since the mass shooting in parkland, florida, left 17 staff and students dead. and now we are joined by sapaola and these moves are coming are from the intense customer backlash and what can you tell us? >> well, fred, how did this backlash come about? they offered discounts for several large company foies for services from them, but since the parkland shootings, several of the company, and if can put them back up on the screen, they have been unde


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