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out of florida where one student has been injured after a new shooting at a high school. these details are still coming in. we know the student was shot in the ankle. this happened in ocala, florida. the shooter is in custody. right now students are being led to a nearby church to meet their parents. the shooting happened just minutes before students across the country were expected to walk out of their classrooms, rally for new gun control laws. those walkouts are beginning right now, planned in the wake, of course, of the school shooting in parkland, florida. and scheduled for today to mark the 19th anniversary of the shootings at the high school -- the columbine high school in littleton, colorado. cnn's ryan nobles is in washington, d.c. where a crowd is forming at this moment. what are you seeing? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, john. we're in lafayette park, of course, right across the street from the white house. you can see the white house from where i'm standing right now. we have a pretty large
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contingent of high school students from washington, d.c., maryland, northern virginia, that have gathered here to have their voices heard on this 19th anniversary of the columbine massacre. i'm joined by caroline, they're both from falls church, virginia. first time, what is it that made you decide to come out here, leave school today and have your voice heard? >> i'm just very passionate about guns and gun laws. i think we need to have stronger gun laws, make it more difficult to buy guns. right now, i'm 18, i live right across the street from walmart and i can go buy a gun and i don't think that's okay. i think the youth are the movement that is going to change and better our country, so i think that it is very important that students get out and be active. >> did you feel like this was something you were always passionate about or was it the school shooting in parkland, florida, that really got your attention and made you feel like you had to become more active? >> i've always been passionate about it. the shooting in parkland really inspired me to make a change. my sister lives near there. she's a teacher at a school nearby. and i fear for not only students' lives but teachers'
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lives as well. i think it is something that we are the ones who are able to change it, if we stand up and stay strong. >> and were you ever that politically active before this, or how would you describe your action in that regard? >> i think definitely now that i've gotten older and started high school, i've been more politically active. i think the real time when i definitely started becoming more politically active was after the last presidential election. i think since then i've come to more marches in d.c., i've voted since then, i was just able to vote this past year and just encouraging more people to get out and be active as well. >> the president isn't here today, but, you know, you're hoping he hears your message. you'll go down to capitol hill as well. if you could tell lawmakers one thing you want to see changed, what would it be? >> i think just stricter background checks is my main -- my main effort to make a change on. and a ban on assault -- semi-automatic weapons, i think that's important for me. >> thank you, guys, both for being here. good luck today. john, these two students are just one example of these type
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of walkouts happening all over the country. they expect somewhere in the range of 1,000 students to participate in this rally here today. the big question, of course, john, is will lawmakers hear what they have to say at this point, no real substantive changes tass rela s as it relat laws. >> want to get back to cnn's diane gallagher in parkland, florida, where the shootings were back in february. where students are beginning their workouts right now. >> reporter: so far at least where we are, we haven't seen any of the students from marjory stoneman douglas physically leave the campus. part of that may be because this time around the principal and the school district said that they're not going to be as lenient. they're not going to be in support of it like they were -- on the 14th of march. i'm getting some texts from some of the students inside who instead are showing me pictures and videos of the kids who chose to meet in the courtyard. they're there, they're signing banners, going to send to
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columbine. the students there. some of the this is out of respect as well. a lot of the students have been conflicted about walking out, this wasn't something that those at columbine wanted them to do. instead they wanted this day of service at lunch time they're going to have voter registration happening. but according to the teachers, there were a lot of students this morning who were pretty adamant they wanted to walk out of classes. those teachers showed up before school today, john, they were all in orange shirts representing ending gun violence and they held up signs to show their support of their students as well. again, we're waiting to see if the kids do leave campus. i'm told if they do, starting to see heads above the cars in the parking lot come out right now, beyond that stoneman douglas sign. now, if they do what they're told initially, they're going to walk out here across the street and go to a park area also known as a junior parking lot where some of them park. it is not nearly as far as they walked out the last time around. it appears that what they have done according to a message from
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another student they held their moment of silence inside the courtyard area of the school, that 13 seconds afterwards represents those killed at columbine. the walkout beginning here on national school walkout day to remind people that they are still adamant about ending gun violence. >> diane gallagher in parkland, florida. thank you very much. we'll keep our eye on the protests just developing now throughout the morning. the other big news story, james comey, his memos, they have been released. the president claiming these memos somehow vindicate him. he says they show no collusion and no obstruction. shimon prokupecz in washington. not sure that's exactly what they show, shimon. what's in there? >> not exactly, john. you're certainly right. keep in mind, this goes to the issue of obstruction and this is all part of what bob mueller and his team are looking at. you know, these memos did reveal
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some new information. we have talked about this, comey talked about some of this stuff. but there are new pieces of information in the memo and certainly as they relate to michael flynn, the former national security adviser. and really, trump's issue with some of what michael flynn did and his judgment and here's what comey writes about that. he said that at one point during their conversation between michael flynn and comey, he said, quote, the president pointed his fingers at his head and said the guy has serious judgment issues. talking about michael flynn. and then goes on to talk about some more information in the memo, that is comey talks about some of the other conversations he had with the president concerning michael flynn. this whole idea of letting the investigation go. and he writes that he then returned to the topic of mike flynn, saying that flynn is a good guy and has been through a lot. he misled the vice president, but he didn't do anything wrong in the call. he said i hope you can see your
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way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he's a good guy. i hope you can let this go. comey says he told the president i agree, he is a good guy, but said no more. now, much of that is not new, but there is some more context in terms of the conversation. now, finally what we did learn new from the memos was that the -- that comey did have a conversation with the former chief of staff, to the president, reince priebus, where they discussed flynn and whether or not he was under secret surveillance by the fbi. and the question was posed in the meeting to comey from ryan asking if this was a private conversation. if he and comey were having a private conversation. and comey writes, i replied that it was. and then he writes, priebus then said he wanted me to ask me a question, and i could decide whether it was appropriate to answer. he then asked, do you have a fisa order on mike flynn.
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comey never responded to that question. instead, he told the former chief of staff that there are proper channels that he would have to go through meaning the department of justice, the deputy attorney general there at the time, and he would have to ask him those questions because it would be sort of inappropriate for comey to answer those questions. certainly these memos as we know are part of the bob mueller investigation. but lots of new information here, but much of it we had already known, john. >> shimon prokupecz in washington, thank you very much. joining me now is john lou and josh campbell, cnn law enforcement analyst. the president in his statement overnight about these memos, now that he's had a chance to look at them, show they show clearly there was no collusion and no obstruction. do they in fact show that? >> they certainly do not clearly show that. i think what is interesting about the memos is for us to remember, these are not
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interviewed memos. director comey was taking notes so he could remember something very important, later put into a memo form. but they're not a traditional fbi 302 the way an agent would take notes from an interview. i think that's an important evidentiary aspect to keep in mind. >> sure. absolutely. but they are contemporaneous, they are real time, and they were being written by someone who at that time had no reason to expect that -- for seven more years. so, josh campbell, what do you see there? >> if you go back and look at the beginning of the relationship between director comey and then president elect trump, as comey said, this is someone that he saw, at least he viewed at the time as someone he might have to document and keep track of the meetings because they might come in handy later on for some type of -- some purpose. and shawn said at that point, he had no way to know he was going to be fired, but at least thought he was dealing with someone who may not accurately portray the nature of the meeting down the road. i think that's what we're seeing play out in front of us.
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it is also interesting that if you look at the level of detail in these memos, comey goes through and talks about the conversations and what he saw, i think that level of detail is a reason why it is going to be so important if the white house is successful that they really work to discredit him. that's what we have seen. if you work at discrediting his character, see him call him a liar and slime ball, maybe by default they'll be able to say, well, everything he wrote was also, you know, cry foul on that as well. it is the same campaign they used against bob mueller. discredit the person and you can hopefully discredit what they find down the road. the thing is, this isn't some secret campaign, this discrediting campaign has been done in plain sight. >> yes, in public statements by people close to and who work for the president of the united states. shawn, let's not forget that the reason that these memos have been so important over the last year is because james comey, in his testimony, sworn testimony before congress, said that they show that he feels as if the
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president was asking him to back off the investigation of michael flynn. and, again, is there anything in those -- these memos to dispute that notion? >> there is not. i think they clearly reflect that the president was asking him to back off, but the million dollar question, does that rise to the level of obstruction of justice charge. it probably does not, at least based on the memos. i think it is important to note it is unlikely the justice department would have agreed to turn these over if they felt that they were highly sensitive information that could compromise the ongoing criminal investigation. >> josh, so one of the areas that is getting a lot of attention overnight is james comey who, you know, in his interviews over the last several days in the book talked about this. we see it now in the memos as well that the president kept on going back to the salacious details inside the dossier. he was obsessed according to comey in the interviews with the reports of what allegedly went on with the prostitutes.
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and james comey writes in the memo the president said the hookers thing is nonsense, but that putin had told him, quote, we have some of the most beautiful hookers in the world. you know, is this just, again, sensational or does this get to an important mind set of the president of the united states? >> well, i think the latter. if you look at indicators, whenever you have a conversation with someone, and shawn knows this from the department of justice, i know this from being the fbi agent, you look for patterns and things that might lead you to make different conclusions, and this case, when you have someone who is sitting before you, that constantly brings up the same topic, something that, you know, by the way, he claims is not true, that causes you to question what you're dealing with here and the fact that as comey said, brought up over and over and over again, you know, may suggest that, you know, was more than just something that may not have been accurate. and also, you know, to -- of interest, if you look through the president is -- has an obsession over leaks and
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stopping leaks and it is almost nixonian in creating this team of plumbers, we'll find the leaks and plug the leaks, something he's obsessing over. >> i did say in the introduction to you, people don't know, for a period of time, you did represent rick gates who was the deputy campaign chair for a period of time and since pled guilty to various things to the special counsel. i wanted to throw it out there when i ask you about this other piece of information we're going to talk about. rudy giuliani has been brought on to the president's team to negotiate with the special counsel. based on what you've seen of how the special counsel operates, do you think this will be a helpful endeavor for the president? >> i think it could be. and, of course, i can't disclose anything confidential about prior representation, but i think mr. giuliani is the kind of experienced white collar person you would want, however it is not so clear if this particular client is going to allow him to really take charge of the defense form. >> do you think that mueller in any way shawn would be swayed by
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the presence of giuliani in the investigations? >> absolutely not. i know mueller myself. we was been office mates. he's not a person to be swayed by anything like that. he'll be polite and greet him if they see him, but this idea that because you know somebody personally you can sway the course of the criminal investigation, i mean, josh knows that as well as anybody, that just doesn't really happen with professionals. >> great to have you with us. i do appreciate it. terrific discussion. >> thank you. as we mentioned, the president's legal team has grown. rudy giuliani will be there and he says he can bring the mueller probe to a quick end. really? plus, a reporter says that donald trump lied to him to get on the forbes 400 list and used his alter ego. he claimed to be someone else to get it done. we have the audiotapes. we're following student walkouts across the country. protesting gun violence and calling for new laws. stay with us. for all the noses that stuff up around pets.
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happening now, across the country, students in different size groups, we should say, walking out of schools to protest gun violence. this is the 19th anniversary of the shooting in columbine. the students in parkland, florida, have led the call for a new round of demonstrations today. these are the pictures we're looking at now. you can see cantonsville, maryland, on the left, washington, d.c. on the right, near the white house. we'll keep our eye on the protests throughout the morning. the other major story, of course, is the release of the memos that fired fbi director james comey took after his various meetings and conversations with the president. i'm joined by tom udall of new mexico, thank you for being with us. the memos came out overnight. you either had a chance to read them or hear about them no doubt. what is your major takeaway? >> my major takeaway is that president trump has been
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involved in a very extensive effort to influence what has been going on with the mueller investigation. this is obviously a very important investigation to the country because of the russian interference in our election. there is a big question as to whether or not the trump campaign was involved in the collusion, the so-called collusion or if they were working with the russians in terms of the election. and so these are very serious issues that are before the country. they should be investigated. and we should allow that investigation to go forward. and i'm very disappointed that my republican colleagues will not sign on to a bill that allows mueller to be independent. >> congressman goodlatte and trey gowdy writes that the memo shows that director comey never wrote that he felt obstructed or threatened. is that fair?
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>> well, i think that issue of obstruction is one that the special counsel is looking at. we ought to wait. it is premature to make a judgment on whether or not there was actually obstruction of justice. i don't think there is any doubt that the president's behavior has been very obstructing and he has been very pushy towards the special counsel as to what they're looking into, and that in many cases he has tried to get them to downplay what is happening. for example, this national security adviser flynn, he asked specifically to the -- comey, don't -- lay off of him, go easy on him. that's -- what you expect in fbi memos is not a conclusion. you expect them to put down the facts. and i think the facts are pretty strong here. >> senator, you're on the foreign relations committee.
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the kremlin put out some statements overnight, the national security adviser john bolton did meet with the russian ambassador. the russian ambassador suggest they might try to set up a meeting president president putin and president trump. would you support that? >> i think always we should be meeting with our adversaries. but the important thing is laying the groundwork, making sure that all of the expertise we have in government is devoted to preparing the president to go into the meeting at the very top of his game. what worries me about president trump is he's very impulsive, he doesn't like that kind of preparation. apparently doesn't spend the time to prepare and that can be pretty scary if you get into a meeting and then his temperament goes off and he starts giving hostile threats to whoever he is meeting with. i think there should be meetings with north korea, i think there should be meetings with the russians. they should be completely
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transparent. and we should say what we're trying to achieve going into them. >> you have come out against the nomination of mike pompeo, the current cia director to be the next secretary of state. the fact he went and met with kim jong-un to lay the groundwork, you say it is important, that doesn't influence your vote at all, doesn't make you more -- >> i think that is very important and i think the fact that he was able to get in there and have the meeting and give the president some assessments is important. the thing with director pompeo, he's against climate change. he's against the iran agreement. he's also, i think, very questionable on the issue of tariffs and trade. i just can't see that i can endorse him as the diplomat for the country on these issues. let's not forget the secretary of state is our chief diplomat. someone who is trying to be -- trying to find a way -- trying to find ways to get us through
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things rather than get us in a conflict. and i don't think that's where he's coming from. >> so your democratic colleague heidi heitkamp says she will vote to confirm mike pompeo. if you count the numbers, it means like ez lihe's likely to secretary of state. are you disappointed in her vote? >> not at all. i think every senator, whether democrat or republicans, must, must vote their conscience and vote their state. so i'm not ever critical of somebody on their particular vote. >> senator tom udall from new mexico, thank you for being with us. >> thank you very much. rudy giuliani has joined the president's legal team with one mission to end the mueller probe. he says he can end it quickly. really?
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that's more speed than at&t's comparable bundle, for less. call today. all right, a big development for the president in the russia investigation. rudy giuliani, former mayor of new york city, has joined his legal team. our abby phillip is in florida, near mar-a-lago. abby? >> reporter: well, good morning, john. rudy giuliani, one of the president's outside advisers and somewhat of a friend of the president, is joining the legal team after several weeks of turmoil in that area where the president has lost some lawyers, tried to hire other lawyers and not been able to. but giuliani is joining, he says, in a limited capacity in an effort to help bring this investigation to a close much more quickly. he says he's going to try to get whatever mueller needs in terms of documents or information and
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provide it to him as quickly as possible. now, giuliani is a former u.s. attorney, also former mayor of new york. but he also says he nose rknowst mueller personally. this is as good as they can get as terms of a person to lead the investigation and believes mueller will be fair. that being said, the president doesn't necessarily believe that. he said mueller is conflicted and that the investigation is a witch-hunt. so giuliani joining the team soon or is joining the team. he says he's going to be doing it at an unpaid capacity, and he joins a team of lawyers including ty cobb, jay sekulow and two additional white collar attorneys, based in florida, who are also joining the team, the president's legal team announced this week. the president really trying to staff up ahead of what seems to be a growing investigation, not just from the special counsel,
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but also into his personal lawyer, michael cohen. john? >> abby phillip for us in florida, thank you very much. another interesting story this morning, a former reporter for "forbes" magazine says he was tricked, deceived, conned by donald trump decades ago. he said that donald trump pretended to be someone named john barron, got on the phone and lied about his wealth to get on the "forbes 400" list. listen to the audio he said he rediscovered here. >> most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump. you i would like to talk to you off the record, if i can, to make your thing easier. >> sure, that's fine. >> but you can just consolidate it. i think last year someone showed me the article, i think you had 200 and 200 and it has been pretty well consolidated for the most part and i think someone mentioned you asked about that and it has been pretty well
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consolidated, okay. >> his math is questionable to say the least. our senior national correspondent alex marquardt with that. >> he said he was being misled by the person he believed was donald trump. we know that trump has used his alias in the past as well as the alias john miller to reporters. trump admitted he used the alias bar barron when he was running for president. rewind two years, 1982, the first time that forbes put out this list, he called up greenburg and told him that his family was worth $900 million. he deserved to have a really high place on the list. forbes decided that trump was worth just $100 million, and greenberg later discovered it wasn't $100 million, it was $5 million. certainly far lower than trump
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would have wanted people to realize. greenberg says it took him some 35 years to realize that he had been conned, that was his word, that trump had used this list to embellish himself publicly and in the business world. greenberg had harsh words about trump earlier on "new day." >> he is a consummate con man. he understood what i was doing, you know, going around the country, putting people and asking them, and he figured out what he had to do in order to deceive me and get on to that list. and he did it very well. and he maintained that persona just sort of talking about his assets without any sense of debt and lying about it. >> trump during his presidential campaign claimed to be worth $10 billion, didn't offer any kind of proof and we have still not seen his tax returns. we have reached out to the white house and the trump organization and have not heard back. >> i would like to see his tax return and john barron's to compare the two. >> which he will not be filing
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all right, happening now across the country, groups of students are walking out of school to protest gun violence. these walkouts come on the 19th anniversary of the shootings in columbine. joining me now, the co-founder of new york city says -- are ayell, you marched in march, a month ago as well. this is what you said. in march we mourn, in april we act. what are you hoping to achieve today? >> you know, today i think that we're trying to show the persistence of students. we're trying to show that we stand united. we have one cause and that's to end gun violence in all of its forms.
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we're taking action, we're taking to the streets. most of us can't even vote yet, but we're working extremely hard to make sure that no one has to suffer the way that people have. >> how did the shootings in parkland, florida, which were so horrible to see, how do they affect you personally? >> i think it has to do with the fear that students face every single day. though i'm not in parkland, i'm not in columbine, i've grown up in the generation with students who are realizing that we have lock down drills all the time. we live with then to sta en tco there is a possibility of a school shooting. >> one month ago, you largely had the support of school districts in new york and other students did across the country. today is a little different. it doesn't seem as if the school administrators are as pleased that you're walking out, the new york city department of education, the chancellor said, quote, you don't have to be out of school all day to make your voices known. you've already made your voices known. what is your response to that?
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>> our response is i would like to invite any school administrator down to washington square park. even though you think our voices are not heard, they are not heard, because clearly we still have people in the congress, people in the white house, who are arguing that we don't need more gun control. so until they realize we do, we will keep on fighting. these are the students that you represent. i invite you to come down here and watch us in action, watch us protest and speak our mind. >> has it been hard to maintain the passion that we can hear so clearly in your voice for this cause, which is so important to so many students and parents across the country? >> i think that that passion is deep with inside of us. i think that passion was grown in kindergarten when we had to do lockdown drills, when we realized we're not safe in our school, when kids are getting shot in the street, when kids are getting shot in the school, that's where the passion comes
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from. this isn't just a new thing. this is something we lived with for our entire lives. first graders were shot in their classroom. we need to have that passion. we see those on tv and we know that that could have been us as students. that passion has always been there. >> are you getting the response you were hoping for, from your local, your state government? >> yes, we are. we recently had a meeting with senator gillibrand in her office. we were able to sit down and start talking about gun control, start talking about a bipartisan solution, and that's really what we're looking for. we're looking for the ability to talk to our senators, the ability to talk to our congress people, because we want to take this up to politics, we want to enact real legislative change. >> we're looking at pictures of the protests around the country. we saw them a month ago as well. the numbers at least from what we can see don't seem to be as great today as they were one month ago. is this indicative, you think,
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of perhaps a change in national focus that might be a struggle for you to refocus. >> well, you know, i think that the there really is no change in national focus. i think we're realizing that the nation is actually focused on this. i think after parkland there have been groups work on this problem for generations. and i think that it is really starting to pick up and that's where the media is focusing on. though there are people that the media hasn't focused on in the past, i think that is really important we keep on that traction. >> thank you so much for being with us, we'll let you get back to this demonstration now happening behind you. meanwhile, i want to give you new details on a new shooting. and this happened in ocala, florida. you're looking at live pictures now, outside the church where students were evacuated. what happened is there was a shooting, incident, that involved two male students at the forest high school. one of the students was shot in the ankle.
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he is described as having nonlife threatening injuries. he has been taken to the hospital. the other male student was taken into custody at the school. the incident, again, as we said, is over. but all other students evacuated led to this church to meet up with their families. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ this is what getting your car serviced at lincoln looks like. complementary pickup and delivery servicing now comes with every new lincoln. i won. giving you, the luxury of time. that's the lincoln way.
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the james comey memos are out, so what happens now? here to discuss, cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein, congressional reporter for politico rachel bade. it is interesting, ron, i think the biggest questions this morning about the james comey
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memo are political, not necessarily legal or investigatory. it was republican allies and the president who pushed for these to be released. republican chairs of committees in the house. i'm just wondering if you think they regret they pushed for these memos to be released now. >> i agree with your point. i think the process by which they -- the release of these memos was forced is more revealing in terms of advancing the story than anything in the memos. the most important thing is to reconfirm the central argument that james comey made in his testimony and his book, i think, that president trump asked him if he could find a way to let go of the michael flynn thing. that is there in the contemporaneous memos. it is hard to see anything else on the ledger, on the other side that is more powerful than the revelation and the confirmation that in fact is what he recorded from the president. in that sense, i don't -- it is unclear what the republicans were -- thought this would
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accomplish, but it did i think reveal their determination in the house to act in many ways as a defense squad for the president. >> rachel, we heard from the house republican chair, gowdy, nunes, and goodlatte, there is no writing about collusion. james comey didn't say there was any collusion inside these memos. i heard other people, other allies of the president say that in the memos james comey notes that it would be a good thing if comey found out if any satellites, people connected to the president, were perhaps dealing with the russians. and those two things are revelatory, they say. as ron puts it, enough to counter the other side. >> listen, i've been asking myself the same question all morning, do republicans regret putting these memos out and asking for them. i think it is having the reverse effect than they were expecting. what they were trying to do is catch comey in a lie and see if he had exaggerated any of his communications with the president to sort of undermine him and sort of put his
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credibility into question. i think this had the exact opposite effect. there is more detail, and it is very consistent with what comey has said in the past. and so what we're seeing this morning and last night especially is that republicans are starting to try to spin this a little bit, trying to say, nothing in these memos accuses the president of obstruction and that nothing says he was threatened, but i don't know that comey would have put that in these memos. this was very early on. he didn't know what was going on. he just knew it was very odd what the president was doing and so he felt he needed to record this and if anything, i think this makes the president look even worse. >> it is interesting, there has been a new development just within the last few minutes. i want your take on it. this is reporting from laura jarrett at the justice department. she's heard from the lawyers representing andy mccabe, the fired former fbi deputy director who is saying, again, that james comey, when he was the fbi director, was informed of andy mccabe's contacts with the press that got him fired. these leaks that andy mccabe
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allegedly according to the inspector general then lied about. the lawyers for andy mccabe are saying the fbi director was informed james comey of his interview saying he wasn't. it is interesting because, you know if you're looking at the different players here and where they agree and disagree, this really does seem to pit andy mccabe against james comey in a way that might have an impact politically in terms of public relations going forward. >> yeah. absolutely. let's get comey back on tv and ask him this question. see what he has to say. i can't speak for him, but, yeah, absolutely. inconsistencies here. i think this really -- the whole mccabe situation, the criminal referral, by a nonpartisan, nonbiased, not leaning republican or democrat, a watchdog saying that he was not forth coming and that he lied, this really undercuts mccabe. it really undercuts the fbi and it gives republicans ammunition to use against the fbi, which i just can see them totally taking this and running with it and
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using it to try to discredit the russia investigation from here on out. >> ron brownstein, on top of all of this, we have rudy giuliani, counselor, legal counselor, you know, of counsel, to the president, in the matter of the russia investigation and dealing with robert mueller. when you saw this headline, what did you think of it. >> i thought rudy giuliani was a heck of a federal prosecutor. it has been a while since he's been relied on in a courtroom. and this is -- there is anything that makes sense here, it is a political negotiation with the special counsel, which seems almost like a contradiction in terms. look, i mean, i think, rachel's point, someone asked james comey this on tv, don't worry, we'll have a chance. we are in a position where these controversies are just dominating the news, whether it is this or stormy daniels. and i do wonder, the polling is pretty clear, president -- they have taken a toll on president
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trump. the question for democrats is whether there is many more voters out there beyond those who said they consider him morally or by temperament unfit to be president. and whether the intense focus on all of these scandals as opposed to the issue debate over questions like taxes and health care in particular really has that much more to benefit them. again, not that there hasn't been a cost to the president, pretty clear what the cost is, with an approval rate far below what you expect with a 4% unemployment rate. i don't know how many more voters there are out there who are going to turn against him based on the focus on these kind of controversies and that way they're sort of back in the position they were in the 2016 election. >> and just this subject you write about this morning, where can people see this piece, ron? >> in "the atlantic." >> thank you for being with us. appreciate it. there is a new legal battle looming over the president. this is the stormy daniels case. a hearing about to get under way. we'll take you there.
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happening shortly, a federal judge will hear new oral arguments in the stormy daniels lawsuit. this time, they're there to discuss whether or not to delay the case. sara sidner in los angeles for the very latest. >> reporter: what is interesting here, we're seeing some documents from brent blakely, the attorney for michael cohen and essential consultants llc, the company that michael cohen used to pay $130,000 to stormy daniels. this case is about whether or not the judge is going to stay the case. the stay meaning that it would be put on hold for 90 days. that is what cohen's
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representatives are asking for, but what is interesting in the paper work is that cohen's own attorney is confirming in these court documents that on april 12th, during that fbi raid, that the fbi was seeking documentation relating to the payment that mr. cohen made to stormy daniels' attorney for stormy daniels. we all know what that is all about, this whole case about that nondisclosure agreement that stormy daniels signed that she says she should be able to get out of because she is saying it is invalid because donald trump didn't sign it himself as a party to the agreement. in court today, we're expecting judge james ortero to -- we don't know whether he will rule, we don't know whether stormy daniels will be here. we know her attorneys will be here as will michael cohen's attorneys and donald trump's attorneys. >> fascinating to see every time there is a hearing, every time it is public, we learn a little bit more. we'll keep our eyes on this throughout the day. the interaction between the civil and the criminal case here also vital to see. sara sidner in los angeles,
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thank you very much. that is all for us today. thank you so much for joining me. i'm john berman. enjoy your weekend. "at this hour" with the star of screen and stage and everywhere else, kate bolduan, starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. russian hookers, government leakers and deep concerns over michael flynn. there are memos. cnn has obtained 15 pages of redacted notes coming from james comey. they are his accounts of private conversations with president trump in the months leading up to comey's firing as fbi director. they range from the salacious to the unsettling, and, of course, the president is offering his take on it all on twitter this morning. james comey memos just out and show clearly that there was no collusion and no obstruction, also he leaked classified information, wow, will the


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