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announcer: this is cnn breaking news. it's the top of the hour and you're live in the cnn "newsroom." i'm dana bash in washington in today for ana cabrera. in breaking news right now, hundreds of people mostly migrants from central america are on the southern border knocking on the door to america. they're the people who have spent several weeks on foot or hitchhiking in buses, in trains, crossing all of mexico with the goal of reaching the u.s. border and today the main part of that so-called caravan reached that goal.
some of them you see there climbing the border wall near san diego but stopping short of entering the united states. they say they want to enter u.s. by the proper channels by requesting asylum. i want to get straight to leyla santiago in tijuana, mexico, where we are -- we're told that leila is not yet ready. she's on the border. we're going to get to her when she -- when she is available. right now instead we are going to turn to the plight of these migrants and the stated goal which is to reach the u.s. border and the second part is when they get to the border, how do they get the asylum, all of these migrants we've seen, those who leila have been traveling with. you want to talk to david lee owe bold to get some of those answers. thank you so much for coming in. take us into this process because people are watching, they're cnn mothers and children
and families looking for what they hope is a better life in the u.s., but there is a very sort of tresherrus legal process for them to try to claim asylum. explain how that will work for them when they get to the border and for many of them now that they are at the border. >> it certainly is tresherrus what they've gone through. they've come from horrific violence in central america and we're talking about children, we're talking about mothers and children and, you know, what country would send these children back to its probably certain death. the process coming into the united states, first of all, let's be really clear. it is absolutely legal to come to the u.s. border like they are doing and to apply for asylum. it's part of international law. it's part of our own immigration law. that doesn't make the process easy, but it is legal.
so any tweets from the president or the secretary of homeland security claiming that these people are trying to enter illegally is just plain wrong. that's not the case. this is a humanitarian crisis. >> and david, i want you to stand by because leila in santiago is available but leila i want to get to you, we'll get back to david in a second, take us to the human element that he was talking about, what are you seeing right now, what is happening on the border? [ inaudible ].
okay. forgive us. we clearly are having technical issues. we do want to hear from the people that leila is talking to when we get to her as soon as we can get that audio squared away. david, i want to get back to you and talk more about these asylum seekers that leila has been with this that are at the border. i was reading, according to an academic study done by syracuse university from 2011 to 2016, more than three quarters of the immigrants from these various countries lost their cases in their quest to get asylum in the united states. so this is not a sure thing. >> no, it's not. it's a very difficult process and it's always been a very difficult process. i guess one of the frustrating things is you have an attorney general in jeff sessions who wants to make this process even more difficult, who wants to
streamline or cut short the due process that we have in the immigration courts, what little of it that there is now, we have an administration that is extremist in its antiimmigrant views that really looks at this as a law enforcement problem, border security problem, when, in fact, this is a humanitarian problem. these are children. my gosh, these are children coming from horrific violence, and they have the absolute rights. these folks who have come in these so-called caravan, they have the absolute right to request asylum and as you point out, the next step would be whether they get asylum and that is a process by which they would be interviewed by our officials at the border. customs and border protection and those who are deemed to have what we call a credible fear would then go to the asylum process. so there is a legal process that they go through, that's in place, that the united states has always adhered to.
it's shocking, dana, that the president of the united states and the secretary of homeland security, president trump and kirstjen nielsen would talk about prosecuting people. my god, are they going to prosecutor children for applying for asylum? that would be new and different. this kind of rhetoric is irresponsible coming from the president of the united states, coming from donald trump and its responsible and frankly to threaten children, to threaten asylum seekers with prosecution. this is humanitarian issue, not a law enforcement issue. >> they certainly have threatened prosecution but they are also saying, in fact, kirstjen niels kirstjen nielsen said that the dhs are trying to send individuals who can try to process this in a more expeditious way as quickly as they can to the border. we'll see if that happens. also, the thang that strikes me is, this is not the first time
there has been this so-called caravan. it happens to some extent annually is my understanding. this time seems to be different for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that the president of the united states shined a light on it with his tweets. so how much is the public relations coming from the president and his supporters worried about these immigrants actually coming through the border versus the public relations for those who see this as you said as a humanitarian crisis? at the end of the day could be helpful to those seeking asylum or because of the divisive nature of this debate in this country have the other effect? >> i don't think the president's motive -- i don't think he has any interest in granting anyone any kind of benefit under the immigration law, whether it's asylum to children who are fleeing horrific violence or to a business person that's trying to create jobs in the united states.
this is an administration, dana, that is extremist antiimmigrant. it is broadened people from some of the most nefarious antiimmigrant groups in the country to run agencies and -- >> but david right now the law is the law. certainly the executive branch has a some leeway, but they are supposed to process, as you mentioned, the asylum requests in a way that has been approved in a bipartisan way in the past. >> that's exactly right, which is why it's shocking when the president as you pointed out brought a public -- made public statements in his twitter account over and over about disparaging these people, that he was angry that they were coming, trying to shine light on this caravan and trying to make it more difficult, calling for mexico to break up this caravan. to me that's a violation of our international protocols. we are supposed to be considering, as you just pointed out, we are supposed to be considering as a nation,
america, has in its law the obligation to consider asylum requests at the border, not for the commander-in-chief, donald trump to tweet about it in a negative way and for the secretary of homeland security to talk about prosecution. that's not what the law says and, you know, the president of the united states, donald trump, ought to be following the law and he's not. >> this is one of those instances where we're seeing the red hot rhetoric partisan rhetoric, clash or come up against the image that's these are real people we're talking about. we're certainly see how this plays out and how those two hopefully will find a way opportunity to secretary. thank you so much for joining me and taking us through the process and the law and what these refugees are dealing with. up next -- >> there's also of course ivanka. she's done nothing to satisfy women, so i guess, like father
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smiling like i love where they're hitting you shot after shot, these people who hate your guts. >> and here's what you heard if you tuned in, rather, to comedian michelle wolf performing at the correspondents dinner. >> and of course we have sarah huckabee sanders, we are graced with sarah's presence tonight. i have to say i'm a little star struck. i love you as aund liddy in the handmaid's tale. i actually really like sarah. i think she's very resourceful. she burns facts and then she uses that ash to create a perfect smokey eye. like maybe she's born with it, maybe it's lies. probably lies. >> some white house staffers were so offended that they got up and left the dinner and the president has since tweeted, calling it a very big and a very boring bust. so what does my panel think? with me now cnn political
commentator, former congressman as well jack kingston and cnn political commentator and national press secretary for the bernie sanders campaign, simone sanders. simone, you were there. what did you think? >> the room was tense. i remember saying that michelle wolf was standing up there giving her jokes. i thought they were a bit crass but i thought she was funny. i laughed. the white house correspondents dinner is always this place where the comedian comes and they make fun of usually the president and sometimes the people that work in the white house, so i thought it was all in good fun and i appreciated the sarah huckabee sanders that did not get up and leave. >> you've been in washington a while. you've seen the goings on and dinners like this, people try to have a sense of humor, that is what these dinners are all about to let loose and also inherently show the respect that each institution has for the other.
it hasn't been that way for a while. you were not there but you certainly have watched a lot of it. what's your take? >> i've been to my share, in the past what you've seen say better sense of fair play. it's okay to jab fun at politicians and the press and at each other, it's okay, but do a little on the right and left. make people feel comfortable. instead this was as trump said it was just attack after attack after attack, why should he go? and if we're going to call it the white house correspondents dinner, don't we want to make it such that a democrat or republican president could go and have fun and, you know, you understand you're going to be the brunt of the joke but you don't have to be the brunt and the viciousness, the hatred that i think michelle wolf had. >> i just want to remind folks that sarah huckabee sanders and other people from this white house come on this network and other networks and vilify and attack the press. so if you literally cannot take a joke, i think it's problematic. >> don't get mad for them not
coming. >> so no one's -- i don't think people are necessarily too broken up about the fact that donald trump wasn't there, i think the white house correspondents association would have liked the president to attend. they're hoping he attends next year as is tradition but many people from the white house were there, kellyanne conway, sarah huckabee sanders, matt shlack were there. >> if you strip off the bark, this town is cynical, if you strip off the bark, being in politicians is a noble profession. being in journalism is a noble profession. we let our cynicism rule the day. i don't think the press took the high road. i think the press could have taken the high road and had some -- but, but you know what robin williams was very hard on president reagan, for example, but it's okay if he's on comedy central. that's what they do on comedy central. this is the press. >> on that note. you're right, she's not a member of the press corps. she was invite today do what she did. but there were cringe worthy moments. it's not the first time this has
happened way democratic administration and a republican administration. let's show our viewers a reminder. >> when cal ripken broke lou gehrig's record doing play-by-play on the radio with bob miller. bobby hit a double and we all heard the president, go baby! i remember commenting at the time, i bet that's not the first time he said that. remember the astro turf in the pickup? and my point is, i stand by this man. i stand by this man because he stands for things, not only for things he stands on things, things like aircraft carriers and rubble and recently flooded city squares and that sends a
strong message that no matter what happens to america she will always rebound with the most powerfully staged photo ops in the world. >> and those were with the president clinton and bush actually sitting right there and both of those comedians got a lot of pushback for being over-the-top. i guess it begs the question whether or not we've reached the point where this -- we're beyond this dinner because of the intensity of the partisanship and the very tough relationship that this president has with the press, that maybe we need to completely go in a different direction for that moment when we try to come together and show some respect for one another. >> if i had taken my 17-year-old next door neighbor hunt anderson who's an idealistic guy, he wants to grab this town and come to washington whether it's in the press or politics and had
him sit next to me while this woman is talking about abortion jokes, while she's making fun of the way sarah huckabee sanders looks, talking about empty boxes of feminine hygiene products, i would not feel good about it. if we were at comedy central that's what you get. if you're trying to build a better, you know, a lofty ideal in society, i don't think the press should invite somebody like that. >> stay with us. we have to take a quick break. there's a lot of conversation going on about that very thing. it wasn't michelle wolf's fault. she came to do what she came to do. this week's before the bell here's christine romans. >> hi, a busy week of company news this week. quarterly earnings have been phenomenal and the big question, can it last? now earnings season began with huge profits for the nation's big banks and caterpillar and 3m
reported big outlooks, apple and tesla and watch snap. it's the parent company of snapchat, the stock tanked last week after it launched a redesign of the redesign of its app. its still trading below its ipo price. investors worry snap will not be profitable enough to live up to the hype. we'll get a good read on the strength of the economy this week. reports on consumer spending, trade, construction and manufacturing and the monthly jobs report on friday. if that all weren't enough the federal reserve starts a two-day policy meeting on tuesday. now don't expect a rate hike. investors think the next one will come after the june meeting, but any hint from the fed about the future pace of interest rate hikes could move the stock market. christine roman, cnn, new york. let's begin.
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>> nobel! nobel! >> that's very nice, thank you. >> let's talk it over with democrats simone sanders who as we said is the national press secretary for bernie sanders and jack kingston former congressman fr from. >> if korea were to fully denuclearization and president trump is the one that broker that detailed, absolutely, words here definitely matter and what we're talking about denuclearization of a korean peninsula, ie, the dmz, the line between north korea and south korea and not north korea itself and that is very different. it's good but very different. >> in politics, in diplomacy, it's all about expectations, you know that. you have been in politics your adult life and you understand that. is he setting expectations too
high ahead of this meeting, he the president? >> i worry about it. i'm assuming that they've done a lot of ground work all ready in terms of how to deal with the inspections, where they can go, how much they can see and so forth. closing down the nuclear test site. they're making the right signals. the idea of about moving the time zone to the same at south korea is actually about communication. so that's not just a symbolic move. i'm excited. i think everybody on capitol hill is excited, but the president said i'm going to walk away if there's no progress is being made, i'm not going to get sucked into it like john kerry and iran, those were his words. it's not over. i agree with simone. i don't think we're talking nobel peace prize until the ink is dry and the inspections are done and we know this is real. >> there's one other thing to be said, north korea did -- has signaled that perhaps they would
be willing to completely denuclearize themselves if the united states would promise not to attack them militarily. i think we're seeing north korea say that because north korea, you know, they're not oblivious to history and they saw what happened when gaddafi and libya totally gave up his nuclear weapons and he was no longer in libya any more. north korea is also in a position of trying to preserve and protect themselves and they are playing a very strategic game that perhaps currently our president is not playing. we have to play hard ball we have to willing to come to the table looking at the forest not just the trees. >> we are here because -- >> he went crazy talking about a button that he had and -- >> it was tactical and it worked. >> do we think it was tactical or -- >> absolutely. >> i think it was donald trump puffing smoke and i don't think we knew how north korea -- >> i think we just fell into it.
donald trump is is not as strategic as folks want to give him credit for. >> let me tell you -- >> if i'm china and i'm seeing him demand that nato increases their ante on their defense spending and troop exercises and the movement of troops to the baltic states, i see "the mother of all bombs" being dropped and i see attacks from of tomahawk missiles into syria, i'm thinking, you know what? maybe that -- what you would call crazy, maybe that would scare me, so i don't agree with you but kim jong-un he is not george bush, he's not barack obama and bill clinton and that's the big difference. >> right. so i'm saying that clearly the chinese, the south koreans and the north koreans decided to get together not -- i don't know if we want to call it an asian alliance or whatever, they decided to get together and do something about this themselves and they started conversation.
the united states was absolutely at the table but -- >> yes, as we get closer, we will have a better sense of whether, again, that happened because they were concerned that the president was getting closer to actually using conventional weapons which certainly i was hearing from my sources as you were as well. thank you so much. what a great conversation about an important hot spot in this. up next, more on our breaking news. that dramatic scene on the u.s./mexico border, migrants gathering along a fence between tijuana and san diego. it's the exact topic of tonight's premier of cnn's united states shades of america. >> opioid the worst and deadliest drug crisis in america. can pot save us? >> did it help you get off of the opiates? >> it gave me an alternative.
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america say they want to seek legal asylum in the united states. some climbed the border wall as you see there, the one near san diego. they sat on top of it but they made clear they have no intention of crossing over illegally into the united states. border politics is also the topic of tonight's season premier of the cnn original series, united shades of america. and the host joins me now to discuss. i'm so excited for season three and it fits perfectly, the synergy is remarkable because you spent time on the border. first, let me just ask you about some of the news. do more americans need to see the images of what we are seeing today before forming their own views on border politics? >> yeah. that's part of the reason i went down there and shot this episode of united shades down there, because a lot of americans talk about what's happening at the border and they listen today politicians like president trump tell us what's going on at the
border, but if you go down there, you can sigh it. i was in mexico and it doesn't fill crime rid or dangerous. the economy over there feels stronger than the economy in arizona. you have to see it and that's why this reporting is so important. >> you certainly do. let's play a clip from tonight's border episode of united shades of america. let's look. >> this morning i'm heading to the mexico side of la gal las. here it is. yep. i'm walking in. harder to get on the subway. where you from? >> do you want it in spanish or english? [ speaking in foreign language ] >> you're from mexico. i'm trying to see how good my spanish is. where do you live now? here in lagalos.
>> what do you today? [ speaking in foreign language ] you should probably go back to english. i heard you work. that's all i got. [ speaking in foreign language ] it's true that american citizens can come to mexico and buy pharmaceutical drugs without a prescription. what about cialis? i'm just asking for a friend. >> okay. >> it's for a guy i know. >> there was no language barrier with cialis. that was interesting. >> i can say that the episode is more hard hitting than me looking for cialis in mexico just to be clear.
>> what do the people in mexico tell you about life there? >> it's stark between the two cities. because it is so hard for mexican people to cross the border, it takes a long time. people could live in mexico, work in the states, go back to mexico for lunch and go back to finish their shift in the states but that's impossible which means the economy of arizona is bad because not as much mexicans can cross the border. they don't feel like its violent there. they feel more border restrictions creates more crime and more violence actually. >> you showed us the ease with which you went from the united states to mexico. what else surprised you about the border? >> the thing that i was most surprised about, again, is that when we talk to people about the wall, we even talk to people about border patrol about the wall, nobody believes that a taller wall is going to help anything. nobody seems to be in favor of this border wall. every time they sighed and got
exhausted like not that again. our politicians, president trump, people in this country who don't live near the border claim this wall is needed and the people on the border are not claiming that according to what i saw. >> i don't know. i smell another emmy. i don't want to jinx it. >> yeah, don't jinx it. one's enough. >> no, it's not. one's not enough. i really look forward to seeing season three, tune in tonight for the premier of season three, united shades of america and that is after anthony bourdain right here on cnn. we'll be right back. need a change of scenery? the kayak explore tool shows you the places you can fly on your budget.
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secretary of state mike pompeo says he thinks there's a real opportunity to negotiate and end to north korea's nuclear weapons program but the u.s. is looking not for words, but actions. pompeo is revealing more details of his secret meeting with kim jong-un over easter weekend. he was assessing kim ahead of a planned summit with president trump. >> we talked about serious matters. he was very well prepared. i hope i matched that. we had an extensive conversation on the hardest issues that face our two countries. i had a clear mission statement from president trump. when i left there, kim jong-un understood the mission exactly as i've described it today and he agreed that he was prepared to talk about that and to lay out a map that would help us achieve that objective. only time will tell if we can get that done. >> joining me now to discuss all
of this is cnn political analyst josh rogan who is also a column in any event for the "the washington post." nice to see you, josh. >> like-wise. >> let's start with what we just heard, pompeo saying the administration is going into negotiationwise eyes wide open but how sceptical at this point should the united states be given the fact that kim jong-un is still kim jong-un and north korea is still north korea? >> very, very sceptical, okay. the north koreans have a very well-known, well established play book. they ramp up the tensions, then they come for negotiations and every administration, obama, bush, you name it says the same thing. this time is going to be different. we're very clear eyed. we're not going to get into bribing north korea and they go through the same exact process. now what pompeo is saying here, is that he's going to do something different. he's going to demand actions before the pressure comes off. the problem, of course, is that as you're negotiating, the pressure is already coming off. if you're not increasing the pressure, you're lowering the pressure. >> so you're right to be
sceptical, of course. the difference between past administrations and now is that it's the president of the united states and kim himself who are supposed to be meeting. so the stakes are so much higher for both sides to have -- for this to bear some fruit, right? >> that's one difference. the other difference is north korea already has a bunch of nuclear weapons and icbms. they have finished their testing and to figure they are going to give up that stuff is far-fetched when you think about it. when you heard pompeo he was very clear. he said we'll define the outcome and that's it for the meeting and after the meeting the process will start. he's setting expectations low. if you heard john bolton on another program this morning he had a very different tune. he talked about the fact that they have done this before in 2008. they destroyed the cooling tower, the whole thing, so you're seeing a break inside the administration which reflects the fact that mike pompeo has a mission and a job to do. he's trying to make peace. he says there's an opportunity
here. we have to test that opportunity and john bolton is saying there's a god chance it might not work. >> there's definitely a lot of tells from john bolton that he's trying to be the person with the sort of fishing reel trying to reel it back in a little bit. >> and we know what john bolton really thinks about this because two months ago he said he wants to see a controlled implosion of the north korean regime with chinese help. he wants regime change and knows that and can't say that anymore but that's what he's trying. >> you and i were on a trip together with vice president mike pence a little more than a year ago. we went to the dmz. do i have to say, and i'm guessing you agree with me here, that that was so tension-filled. it was just a year ago. right when the administration was starting their new line saying the era of strategic patience is over, and here we are a year later with a -- with the now secretary of state, then cia director, going and meeting with kim jong-un. even if everything stopped there, it's light years away from where everything was a year ago.
>> right. but i'm going to go back to what john bolton said. seen a lot of words but not seen a lot of action. so there's an opportunity, but there's really no evidence that north korea is really going to make the actual changes that we need to see. i went again to south korea after our trip in february. we went to the olympics, and there you had that standoff between mike pence and kim jong-un's sister, and it was clear then that the u.s. was in a position because the south koreans have taken this process way ahead of where we wanted, that we had a choice. we could either try to go with the south koreans and see it through or we could just throw up our hands which is a path that leads to war, so the trump administration made the right choice. they decided to explore whether peace is possible. all of us have to sort of support that. at the same time, until we see actual signs, actual actions by the north koreans, all of us should remember that we've seen this movie before and we should go into it with that in mind. >> i think that movie was seth rogan, not josh rogan. had to go there.
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>> reporter: well, i couldn't hear he very well but she's very emotional but she's saying she's leaving a part of herself in mexico. she doesn't know where she's going. she's just going to the united states, and listen. this is just one of the many stories that we've heard. i don't know her story as well, but i've seen many people with tears. many people saying we're excited to finally be here, but we come here with excitement and a lot of anxiety. they are very anxious and very nervous, especially the mothers and the grandmothers wondering what will happen when they cross this border. this has been weeks and weeks of walking, of riding on a train, on a train in which i watched as a pregnant mother of two sat on top of scrap metal and trash for
hours in the cold and through the night. they have slept on the floors of shelters to arrive at this very moment, something that stuck with me. one woman who said i think a lot of people think we just woke up one day and said, oh, i'm going to go to the u.s., but this has been a very, very tough, tough journey for them. many people sniveling as well as coughing. many of them are sick because of the type of environment in which they have traveled through to come here. this woman obviously in a wheelchair that quite frankly looks very -- very sort of beat up, so i can only imagine what that wheelchair, the story that that wheelchair would tell. i want to sort of make sure you understand what's happening right now beyond the high emotion, the migrants that are very excited but also anxious. we are right now not far, within feet oth