that foundation. i'm confident we will get there. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn couple rot ta. >> top u.s. officials are set to brief lawmakers about that confidential source who has become a lightning rod for controversy in the russia investigation. notably absent from the invite list are any democrats. as president trump keeps railing against this source whom he calls a spy. that is a characterization that u.s. officials dispute. >> on another investigative front, the president's legal team is trying to narrow the scope of questions the president would face in any potential interview with president's counsel. they want to say the only questions ta can be asked are about matters that happened before the election. that would make any questions about obstruction of justice off-limits. let's start our coverage with cnn's kaitlan collins live at

the white house. there has been a lot of pushback from sources at the white house saying, hey, the president is being conditional about the spying. he is not saying it definitely did happen. in a tweet that he just put out a few minutes ago he says, ending up getting caught -- talking about the deep state, also known as our law enforcement -- a major spy scandal, the likes of which this country may never have seen before. that's an accusation. it's not conditional. what else do you know? >> reporter: right there. the important line the likes of which this country may never have seen before. we have seen the president make these outrageous claims or statements without being able to back them up with any proof. he said that president barack obama had wire tapped him comes to mind. he makes them in a vague enough manner into one day he can get around him and saying that's not what he was e saying, he was

simply suggesting that could happen. we are seeing the president's fury continue to grow. a stunning moment in the oval office as he sat next to the south korean president, railing against the justice department, repeating this claim that the fbi spied on this campaign though he offered no evidence to back up that claim. the one thing they didn't want to talk to in the oval office is whether or not he has confidence in the deputy attorney general. >> if they had spice in my campaign, that would be a disgrace to this country. that would be one of the biggest insults that anyone has ever seen and it would be very illegal. >> reporter: president trump continuing to push the idea that a spy was placed into his campaign without producing any evidence to back up his claim. u.s. officials telling cnn his assertion isn't true. still mr. trump tweeting he was only there to spy for political reasons and to help crooked

hillary win, just like they did to bernie sanders, who got duped. >> to the best of my knowledge, the fbi did its best to keep their investigation quiet during the election. if there was a political effort to undermine any candidate, me, trump, anybody else, they would have said they would have leaked something. that is not what happened. >> reporter: the confidential source spoke with least three advisers to the trump campaign in 2016 as part of the investigation into russia's efforts to undermine the u.s. election. >> was there anything unusual about your conversations with this guy? >> i never found anything unusual whatsoever. he is someone who is long-term, someone who had been in the establishment. >> reporter: president trump repeating his unproven claim that the source was paid a massive amount of money. >> based on what i read in the newspapers and what you reported, some person got paid a lot of money. that's not a normal situation. >> reporter: it's unclear what articles the president is

referring to. the "washington post" reports that since 2012 the source had contracts for research in the social sciences and humanities. the justice department is asking the inspector general to look into concerns about the source, but still the president decline to go offer support for the deputy turn general tuesday. >> do you have confidence in rod rosenstein? >> what's your next question? he doesn't want to hear these questions if you don't mind >> reporter: they will share highly classified information about the russia probe with two republican congressmen tomorrow. >> it's inconceivable that the white house could expect they could brief republicans on the russian investigation. that can't happen.

>> it comes as cnn learns that the president's legal team is trying to narrow the scope of a possible interview with special counsel to russia-related matters that occurred before the election. multiple sources telling cnn trump's lawyers are looking for a way to limit questions to his presidency, especially questions about obstruction of justice. >> this morning the president tweeting several times about his allegation again that he was being spied on, his campaign was spied on by the fbi. even in one tweet quoting a fox news headline and going on to say james clapper, former director of national intelligence, who the president said is the world's dumbest former intelligence head who has a problem of lying a lot, used the word spy when describing the illegal activities. what james clapper actually said yesterday on "the view" he was asked if the fbi had spied on the president's campaign. he said, no, they were not. he said, quote, they were spying, a term i don't

particularly like, on what the russians were doing. soed president attempting to twist james clapper's words to fit what he believes happens here. multiple officials have told cnn that the president's campaign was not spied on by the fbi. >> okay. kaitlan, thank you very much for those developments thapg as we speak. so the president has cranked twitter into overdrive this morning and he seems to be fixated and of course trying to gin his supporters up about a spying scandal. this is also called standard operating procedure. when the fbi thinks there is a criminal enterprise happening, guess what, they get sources to find out if there was a criminal enterprise. >> that's right. every day the u.s. government is putting people out to gather information. particularly if they think a foreign government might be

trying to infiltrate. this strikes me as part of an overall political effort by the president just to try to discredit the russia investigation where for anyone in law enforcement there is nothing unusual about what we see being done. >> we just had his biggest admission to date about what his real intention is in a tweet. look how things have turned around on the criminal deep state. what does that tell you? one, media perception is reality for donald trump. criminal deep state. he's referring to our department of justice. that's what he is calling the stewardship he has over this. he is referring to them as criminal deep state. they go after phony collusion with russia, which nobody involved in the intelligence community believes these are phony. a made-up scam, i don't know

what he's talking about. and ending up getting caught up in a major spy scandal. so much for him just asking questions and this being conditional. the likes of which this country have or has seen before. >> may. >> this may be the one. there is only one conditional. he said there was a spy scandal but it may be the worst ever. what goes around, comes around. this is who he is. this is his objective. spread the stink. get the heat off me. put it on someone else. consequences be damned. >> yeah. and i think the bigger goal here for the president is to discredit the larger mueller investigation and to hero in on this piece of it that probably doesn't come to anything at the end of the day. maybe that's why rosenstein and others have agreed to share this information, which i think is completely inappropriate for them to do so. we have to remember something very simple. we know from our intelligence

services that russia attempted to meddle in the election of 2016. you want to try to run that down. there might be meddling, collusion going on, influence on the candidate. it seems to me that is an obvious and appropriate thing for law enforcement to do. the administration went soft on this whole issue of striking back against the russians. the fbi didn't leak a word about the fact that they were investigating trump. at the same time they were putting out all of this information about the e-mail probe about hillary clinton. so there was no political hatchet job going on here. that's just clear. so you can required what this is, which is the president, you know, speaking like a fringe candidate somewhere, except he's president of the united states, attacking the institutions of our government. i think for people who support the government, who think he ought to get his due, who think

the media piles on, you have to have your moment of reckon and you have gone to be honest with yourself about the fact that the president is doing something completely inappropriate here. you've got to own it, even if you believe all of those other things. this makes absolutely no sense. there is no deep state. i hate to break it to you. the people who are running the justice department and the fbi are his folks. and by the way, rod rosenstein, who he doesn't like, has also supported him in other areas by criticizing jim comey. so you have to stop the madness and focus on what's in front of stpwhrus? there was a deep state preventing his election, he might not be president right now. the whole irony is he one. the idea that the deep state is so powerful, obviously not. but let's talk about what they are doing tomorrow. the department of justice is sort of, you know, opening their files to show devin nunes and

trey gowdy who the informant is. >> it's a terrible idea. it is stunning the fact that they would do this for a number of reasons. no case has been put forward that the intelligence person in london was doing anything inappropriate. these are baseless allegations at this point. just because you say it doesn't make it true. so donald trump alleging something bad happening doesn't make it true. second of all, we never reveal sources. these people are out there every day on behalf of the united states government, and we don't reveal them. finally, you are revealing it to people who we already know who have shared classified information or who have not been -- >> at least devin nunes. >> exactly. to me, what's the point of sharing it with them? other than politics right now. you're not going to undo anything that was done. any review of this could be done through this inspeor general

process. it's hard for me tosee, if you were eve trying to balance giving this, there is no order in favor. >> the step sideways is some of you out there who are trump supporters believe he is part of the problem. we're not saying the same. we're not putting it out there. we don't see any value of that. we knew what the allegations were in the dossier, the most salacious ones. we didn't put them out there. there is selectivity going on here. it is unusual for us to have to protect information instead of the government doing it when it is their purview. here's the catch on what's going to happen tomorrow, david. there is a good chance that when the government shares this information with these two republican lawmakers, they're going to see things there that they like and that they don't like. and i mean that in cynical terms in terms of forwarding their narrative. but we're only going to get the

reckoning of people who want to advance the allegations of spying. why set themselves up be up satisfying to at least half of congress and the majority of the country? >> clearly they don't care. they don't care it is seen as a fair process or what press department they might precedent they might be setting. i don't know what remeds that. i'm surprised that a guy like trey gowdy who has been on the program recently talking about his book, reaching across the aisle and forming friendships in congress. by the way, a former assistant u.s. attorney in south carolina would go along with this and be a party to trashing the justice department in this kind of way. but we have to keep one thing in mind. this is a side show. the president has amplified this

to make us think this is something critically important. it is not. the response to it is really important. but let's remember the investigative game in town is the mueller investigation. there is bipartisan support for that. because of his reputation. that's going to be the outcome that matters here. >> okay. ann, david, thank you very much. the president just tweeted again. spygate could be one of the biggest political scandals in history. >> it has a name. >> he offered no proof that there was a spy. the facts that have come out show it was not an implanted source or informant on the campaign. he is referring to the person getting paid too much money. he has offered no proof that they were paid anything to do what they did during the campaign. t where are the facts? >> and calling for a second special counsel. that's what is needed.

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no new tweet in the last seven minutes. but why we are seeing the president gin up into high gear. the context is we have more than a dozen house republicans calling for the appointment of a second special counsel. why? to take a closer look at alleged abuses carried out by the fbi into the trump campaign and hillary clinton's e-mail server. one of the people making the case is house republican jim jordan of ohio. jim, always good to see you. and i need your help this morning. you answer in context any way

you want. >> all right. >> the president is now calling the use of this confidential source who apparently contacted people in the campaign or related to, satellites of the campaign spygate. do you believe we have any factual basis for saying there was a spy in the trump campaign? >> if you read the "new york times" piece they talk about this individual, give all kinds of details about this individual. >> not as a spy. >> and he met with the periphery of the trump campaign. but i think -- so it sure looks like that was the case. we're going to wait and see. that's why chairman nunes has been requesting information to show this took place and the department of justice has been reluctant to give it to him. let's hope that actually happens. chris, when you couple it with what we do know they did, five of the top people at the fbi by comey or pheub contain.

he faces a criminal referral. peter strzok and lisa page has been demoted and reassigned. two of the three retired in the last three weeks. we have five of the top people who oh by the way, happen to be the same people who ran the clinton investigation and launched the trump russia investigation, that should be cause for concern. all of this points to why we need information and why we called for a second special counsel to get to the become of all of this. why now we have 25 individuals in the house of remits who support mr. zeldin's resolution. >> i wanted you to be able to get out your full case. 25, not an impressive number with how many people you have who are trying to support the president's theories, no matter how wild they are. it seems to me -- >> the chairman of the judiciary called for it, the chair of the oversight committee. >> only 25 people. >> we just introduced it

yesterday. majority chip and majority leader called for it. a number of p people who have real influence are calling for a second special counsel. >> rank and file is slow on it because they know it seems to be something that would take us down the road of more of the same in terms of politicized nonsense. this is why i say that, jim. let me give you a chance to respond. if what you said was not true, that these people hadn't been removed, people who were identified as being in this way negative influences on the administration of justice, if they were still there, then you would have something, my friend. you would be able to say how is mccabe still there. how are peter strzok and page still in office, how can you say they're there and this is fair but none is there. they have all been moved away. and you have an inspector general who has got way more

staff than you will ever be able to put together for a special counsel. how did mccabe, with what happened with the clinton e-mail schedule which you keep saying is damning -- >> he gave us the strzok/page memo. according to the attorney general, when you have extraordinary circumstances, that's when you name special counsel. if this is extraordinary circumstance where five people have been fired or demoted and many are retired. and when you have all of that going on and you have those people, the fbi take a disproven salacious dossier to a secret warrant to spy on a fellow american citizen. when they go to the court they don't tell two important facts. who paid for it, the author of the dossier has been fired because he's out leaking information. we have to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the

truth. and the fbi should have to do the same thing. >> if you want to tell the whole truth, don't shade everything. it wasn't they didn't trust his sourcing or his work. they did disclose where the dossier came from. it is not all false allegations in the dossier. you know this to be the case even though you have never seen a fisa application itself. fisa -- >> trump campaign -- >> hold on. >> jim, that is demonstrably false. >> even democrats are saying -- >> we have tons -- >> the "new york times" said that last week. >> talking over me does not silence the point. they have to come out. we have to have this conversation so people who think independently can make decisions. there is tons of proof of collusion. >> lots, chris. >> sure you do. i believe you, brother. i believe you. there is tons of proof of

potential collusion. the things that were said, the things that were done were in bad discretion, bad choices. then you have to look at what the motivations are. we don't know the conclusions on those by this special counsel to get ahead of the conclusions is misleading. >> chris -- >> but fisa as a tool was created by congress to make sure you don't have secret surveillance. it must be vetted by a judge. so that process in and of itself is a safeguard. what i don't get about special counsel is what he said in the memo, rosenstein. i read it five times last night to try to understand where you guys were coming from. the extraordinary circumstance was that the doj couldn't properly investigate this president because of what was clear in the dynamic. he got rid of comey. he was asking questions about the investigation. is sessions had to recuse himself.

you don't have that here because you have all your own people in charge, jim. the attorney general, head of the fbi, all the people there are your people. >> now you're filibustering. a couple things. >> go ahead. >> potential collusion is not collusion. that is my point. there is no collusion. >> there are no conclusions of collusion because the investigation is not over. but there is plenty of proof of it. i see proof as potential. i don't see dispositive crimes. >> i see no other remedy here. here's the reason. can rod rosenstein oversee an investigation of potential obstruction of justice in the firing of james comey when he is the one who wrote the memo for firing james comey? that's where we're at. >> so you're bothered by the fact that he's on your side of an argument, so you don't want him to do the investigation? >> i'm bothered by what i just

stated. can he really do that? that is one of many reasons why i believe you need this remedy, a second special counsel. >> you're not asking for anybody to look into why trump fired comey, are you? >> no, no, no. that's what -- mueller has said he's looking into possibly obstruction of justice in the firing of james comey. mueller oversees the investigation. and he's the one who wrote the memo to fire james comey. >> mueller is the one who draws the conclusions about it. that's why rosenstein is insulated. he oversees. he does not conduct. mueller was celebrated by so many in your party. >> ses so insulated, why write a second memo changing the parameters, and why won't he is show that to the american people? may 17, one year ago, we had the

memo outlining the praeupl work for bob mueller's investigation. that was the framework. it was modified august 2nd. rod rosenstein won't show us that. >> modified how? >> we don't know. we haven't seen it. >> what do you want to assume about the modification? >> because the american people have the right to know. >> i agree. i'm all about transparency. the american people show know everything because the partisans can't be trusted to tell them the same truth. you can't have any political oversight. >> tomorrow they are going to the doj to get transparency. >> with no democrats. >> if they want to come, let them come. >> why weren't they invited? >> i don't know. >> you don't know, jim? >> i do know that rod rosenstein wrote a memo august 12th that a federal judge four weeks ago said he wanted to see. >> you're speculating what it might be. it could be a pro forma

procedural as expanding as the facts arise. >> you said you want transparency. >> i want to see it. don't get me wrong. i certainly don't want to hear what you're guys say it is. i want your guys to come out and tell me what it means. i certainly don't want that. >> i'm not saying what it says. i want to see it. i asked rod rosenstein to see it. they sent us a letter saying we're not going to show. >> you i hear you on that. i agree with transparency. i have never argued on that. given that it doesn't affect the integrity of the investigation or reveal sources. but this is the last point. i don't get what's going to happen tomorrow. the chasm would swallow us both up, and we're capable guys. how do you go in there with just nunes who is so compromised and

trey gowdy is known as captain benghazi. and they don't have anyone from the other side. how can this help? >> the question, chris, is real similar. we want to know if in fact, and it sure looks like this was the case. if in fact, there were informants around the edges of the trump campaign, talking to people loosely affiliated with the trump campaign, if it was so kind of spy, some kind of informant. >> you know it wasn't an implant. they told you it wasn't. >> the same department of justice who when they gave us documents had redacted and the page and peter strzok document said he was friends with one of the fisa judges who heard michael flynn's case. we are supposed to trust that? >> it is overseen by your guy, jeff sessions and christopher wray. these are all your people. >> the credibility of the

department of justice, in light of that fact, the fact that they dragged their feet to get us the information we are entitled to a separate and equal branch of government, that peter strzok had a relationship with kwupb of the judges and recused himself, by the way. >> you only know that because of what the ig is figuring out. that's my point, jim. they have a capable staff. why politicize it. that was new question. >> the ig found the text messages. when the department of justice gave us the copies of the text messages, they redacted what i just described. >> that is not unusual, and you know that. >> why would you redact that? it had nothing to do with the ongoing investigation? >> because they have intelligence considerations. we have had this struggle with them my entire career. it doesn't mean that it is necessarily dishonest. we will have to know more. it is just about the mechanism. and you know we will keep talking about this with you. i'm anxious for you to make the case. i don't know how tomorrow will

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>> this is our moment s. and if we fight. if we push, if we work we will win. >> stacey abrams making history, becoming america's first african-american woman whob nominated for governor in the deep red state of georgia. stacey abrams joins us now. good morning. >> you are georgia's first black nominee for governor. how are you feeling this morning? >> i'm excited. exhausted, but excited.

it's been amazing night. we have a tough race ahead, but we can win. >> let's talk about how you can win. some are in rural areas and they have given up on the party. they have switched affiliations in recent years. the turnout yesterday, the democrats, 553,000 votes. republicans, 607,000 votes. explain the math. >> the big part of our campaign and what we are so excited about with 500,000 plus number, that is unprecedented for a democratic primary in the midterm. this is just the tip of the iceberg. we are building a coalition of voters, coalition of white voters, voters of color.

rural georgia is as diverse as suburban georgia. >> in 2000, george w. bush woman by 12 points. in 2012, romney won by 8 points. in 2016, donald trump won by five points. things are going in your direction, but they are not there yet. it is still considered a deep red state. do you see something that, you know, pollsters don't? >> i absolutely do. we are a blue state. we are just a little bit confused. we have an opportunity because georgia has changed dramatically. we know if we take advantage of the change, we can have a

victory. >> you are a yale law school graduate. you run a small business, financial services firm. you have written a series of romance tphoefls. that's interesting. you don't often say that about a gubernatorial candidate. at what point did you say i can be georgia's first black female governor? >> i know the governor has the ability to affect the lives of many of georgians to advance health care and access to education, protect women's rights.

>> i think some issues on the race, where are you at those? >> i am very proud that every resident in georgia stkefrpbs our protection. i am deeply ashamed of the screen phobic and racist rhetoric. georgia is a welcoming place. i know that as next governor everyone will know they are welcome in our georgia. >> do you think that's where the voters of georgia are? these are issues that obviously have scared people. we have seen this. president trump ran on some of this. he was elected. we hear people all the time who feel anxious about their states being, you know, encroached upon. their culture, their jobs. >> again, i think were there is

a faction of the country that has that feeling. i think there are many more people, especially in georgia, that immigration has helped build our state. agriculture is our number one industry. we have relied heavily on immigrant farm wormers to bring our crops to market. they have built small businesses using their ingenuity. but it is always understood that we are more than just one thing. we are not a single issue state. and we have a diverse and rich coal winning.'s why i am so excite b i know if we knit together that coalition, if we go outside atlanta and go to the small communities, the suburbs, that we have enough people of goodwill, of good ambition, that we can work together in this. >> having campaigned with all sorts of people from across the state, what do you think of the state of race relations in georgia? >> i think it is an important statement that i stand here

today, that i am the first african-american, the first woman, a georgian who understands i want latino, asian pacific islander community to feel they have a voice in our government, in the future of our state. and i think what we see in the results and how close democratic performance was to republican performance, it shows those voices are being lifted up. our campaign was grouped in the idea that if we invest in the voices, people will lift them up and vote. we have seen that already and we look forward to expanding that head spaog november. >> last, is there anything applicable from writing romance novels to running for governor? >> absolutely. part of my job is to understand the diversity of my state. it is about telling the a good story. our future is bright. with the right leadership

everyone can participate and we'll all have freedom and opportunity to thrive. >> i'm told occasionally there are even some romances that pop up on campaigns. so maybe there's new material. >> there you go. >> stacey abrams, thank you for sharing your perspectives and position on all of this. >> thank you so much for having me. all right. they will rule designed to prevent another financial crisis. they have been overturned by the house and heading to the president's desk. what the easing of certain bank regulations means for your wallet, next.

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he is taking another path and it is a path of distraction and of spreading negative possibilities. >> um-hum. >> we know that they came out and said the feds, there was no implant. we know they see spy as a pejorative in general. this is our clearest indication recently that he wants people to believe something that distracts from mueller. >> i think what he did this week is actually substantially different than what we have seen him do in the past in terms of his aggressive attempts to undermine the federal law enforcement agencies that were both looking at russian interference in the 2016 election and then obviously the mueller probe that has continued on. what he did in terms of trying to set the terms by which he could learn information that related to the investigation in to his own campaign this week. we saw him consult with his personal lawyer rudy giuliani

and then issue a directive to the department of justice based on that. that is shocking and that is something that -- try to imagine if president clinton or president obama or president george w. bush what the reaction would be, it's getting a relative shrug. he's doing more than sending up a flare. this is the president of the united states telling people don't believe what this federal government is doing and that has very dangerous consequences. >> this is also called in other corners what he's calling spying, good polic wo en the australian government calls the fbi and tells tm we have vy good reason to believe that somebody on the periphery of the trump campaign has been infiltrated or at least influenced by the russians, what does he want the fbi to do with that information? >> to your point, what we are seeing him do is what we have seen him do with a bunch of industries which is rip things from context. take normal process for whatever that industry is and make it sound sinister and make it sound

like its bad. as far as we know nothing was done wrong here. that does not mean that the fbi does everything perfect and that does not mean people should not be questioning authority. what he's doing is say throw everything out except what i tell you and that again is very dangerous. >> it's interesting here in terms of what's going on. if he didn't have so many people around him saying and doing things that raise suspicions this wouldn't have gone on. we have to remember, the fbi from james comey's own mouth said we made a decision not to say anything about the trump probe and he gives explanations about -- whatever. he only talked about the clinton one. you have to ask what is the basis for why they were looking, why is the context of trump's grievance? we should get answers tomorrow, but for some reason they've decided to poison that well by just having nunes and gowdy go. i don't know why they're doing that. we were just talking about it

with jim jordan. doesn't it make it like zero chance that whatever reckoning they come out with it will be unsatisfactorying. >> it makes it only one group of partisans will be happy and the other group who didn't see the information will be unhappy. it will allow republicans and the president to say, democrats are just wining. they're assuming most people will hear the complaint and n look at the actualunderlining complaint and what it's danger path. that is not to say that james comey does not have legitimate questions that need to be asked of him about the stories he has told about why he did what he did as the fbi director in terms of his investigations, that does not mean that the president's lawyers who have sought to make a real issue of comb yes credibility t doesn't mean they don't have points to make. everything becomes therefore anything that was ever done is tainted. that is their entire argument. i think that's very problematic. >> in fact, i find this one

particularly strange because having interviewed so many die hard trump supporters, they like evidence. they look for it, sometimes they find the wrong evidence online but they want something to hang their hat on and the idea that he's providing no evidence that this isn't just standard operating police work or that he's not giving anything. this is -- he's calling it a different name. >> what he does is -- i would argue it a little differently. he and some of his supporters have a conclusion in mind then they look for evidence to back that conclusion and that's what he's doing. >> the conclusion is deep state -- the conclusion is there's a conspiracy to undermine me to try to delegitimize my election, they, whoever they are, they're coming at me and therefore they're coming at you. >> more questions. please stay we're at the top of the hour. let's reset and keep the conversation going. okay? good. good morning. so nice we'll say it twice. good morning and welcome to your

"new day." it's wednesday, may 23rd, 8:00 in the east. let's reset where we are at this hour. the president is on a tweet storm this morning. fast and furiously hitting the keys to make unproven claims of something that he is now calling spygate. we have no proof of any spy. federal government has said there was no spy, but the characterization is helpful to the president. just minutes ago he made this now a thing and he is saying that this is the worse scandal potentially in american history. a little earlier the president tweeted, look how things have turned around on the criminal deep state. remember, he's talking about the department of justice. they go after phony collusion with russia. you know that that's not a substantiated claim. a made up scam which i don't know what he's talking about and end up getting caught in a major spy scandal the likes of which this country may never have seen before.

what goes around comes around. >> still with us. cnn political analyst and "the new york times" white house correspondent maggie has beenerman. how's all this playing inside the white house? >> it has been a storm of the president yelling about leaks. he's been very agitated about it for weeks. i realize some people are saying, no, no he's not really upset about it. he doesn't focus on it. that is not true. he's consumed by it. is that person a leaker? is that person a leaker? he asks specific people to identify other leakers. this particular issue is one that makes some people in the white house, not all, but some, the ones that he's tweeting about uncomfortable because there's not sure there's enough evidence to support it and for people that have to go out and defend him this becomes yet another brick in the wall of their credibility that's being removed because they are the ones selling this and they will have to answer for that later. >> the rule in that game is that you have to show your peoe