tv Smerconish CNN June 9, 2018 6:00am-7:00am PDT
♪ ♪ i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. president trump taking on the world ruffling feathers at the g7 summit with his america first tariffs and demand that his fellow leaders reinstate russia before he heads to singapore to break bread with kim jong-un. what's happening behind the scenes planning these momentous events? i'll ask a former advance man for president george w. bush. i heard a different perspective from this man who i ran into outside the studio this
morning -- >> i am a faithful trump supporter. >> what's the attraction to trump? >> backbone. >> backbone? >> that's right. also, two high profile suicides this week designer kate spade and cnn's own anthony bourdain, sadly they echo new cdc findings that suicide in the u.s. is up 25% in the past two decades. is it any coincidence that the most popular course ever at yale university psychology and the good life aims to teach students how to be happy. and miss america pageant ending its evening gown and swim suit competition, but will anyone watch without the bikinis. i'll ask miss america who won the democratic nomination to an alabama congressional race. but first, the suicides of 55-year-old kate spade and
61-year-old anthony bourdain jarred many of us this week. here is the thing, just one of the things that makes this so hard and confusing, everybody wanted to be anthony bourdain. i did. we all did. the passing of two who seemingly had it all just confirms that old island saying that you don't know if the roof is leaking until you live inside. two days after spade's death, one day before bourdains's the cdc said the suicide rate in the united states has grown nearly 25% since 1999. the cdc report said between 1999 and 2016 suicide rates increased significantly in 44 states with 25 states experiencing increases of more than 30%. the rate declined in only one state, nevada. it grew by 57% in north dakota. one thing that has remained
steady the manner of death, roughly half by firearm. the highest incidence is among men who represent three quarters of the suicides. the highest, nonhispanic whites. the report reveals 54% of those who took their own life did not have a known mental health condition. that means our efforts to alleviate this national catastrophe must focus on nonmental health factors that are further upstream. what are they? according to the cdc, suicide is not caused by a single factor, experts often site a combination of mental health, economic despair, drug and alcohol abuse and access to firearms. the cdc findings echo a provocative, more broadly drown 2015 study ann case and an gus and found that middle age white americans are dying younger for the first time in decades despite positive life expectancy trends in other wealthy
countries and among other segments of the u.s. population. they supplemented their research from brookings and documented what they call deaths of december pyre. meaning suicide, alcoholism and drug overdoses, particularly from opioid painkillers, which are a growing problem for midlife white people. now, as you can see on the left side map, the epidemic started in the southwest, now it's country wide. the study authors write that the increase can be seen at every level of residential urbanization in the u.s. so, it's not just a rural problem or an urban problem. it's both. the crisis is particularly acute, as i said, among middle-aged whites as case and deeten wrote, deaths of despair come from a long standing process of cumulative disadvantage of those with less than a college degree. the story is rooted in the labor market but involves many aspects of life, including health and childhood, marriage, child rearing and religion. i'll never forget a lesson that
i learned about suicide when trying my first case as a lawyer. it was 25 years ago in federal court here in philadelphia. and the subject matter dealt with the tragic passing of a young woman who had taken her own life while hospitalized. during the voir dire process, the jury selection process, i asked the roughly 75 prospective jurors whether any of them had personal experience with the subject of suicide. whether it had touched their families or anyone in their friend's circle. i was shocked when about a third of the hands went up in the air. that result was an eye opener for me. and i would never have predicted the commonality of the experience. i've often thought that my surprise was a result of the way in which the subject matter has been both stigmatized and shunned. perhaps the passing of kate spade and anthony bourdain will further a necessary conversation about mental health.
i want to know what you think. go to my website. i'm curious about this. answer the question at smerconish.com. has suicide touched your family or anyone in your friend's circle? joining me now is frank bruney, the opinion columnist for the new york times who wrote this piece, the unsatiable and unknowable anthony bourdain. frank, i'm so glad you're here. i want to put on the screen a paragraph from your essay. his death, meaning anthony bourdain, coming just days after the suicide of the beloved designer kate spade is at least as noteworthy for another reason, how powerful it speaks to the december crepesy of what we see of people on the outside and what they're experiencing on the inside between their public faces and their private realities, between their visible swagger and invisible pain. "parts unknown." that was true of bourdain and true of spade and true of every one of us. expand on that, if you would. >> well, i think these two
deaths, michael, it kind of goads back to the tweet that you put up from our friend john berman who said that he wanted to be bourdain. i think a lot of women wanted to be kate spade. what they wanted to be had to do with an imagine that was only part of each of those people. we're all very complicated in what we show the world and what we're experiencing inside are different. i think these two deaths afford us a real opportunity, a moment to think about the faulty assumptions we make about people, the way in which we draw conclusions solely from appearances. we need to pay closer attention to the people around us because they're often hiding things, going through things we don't realize. i think we could do everyone a great service to be more sensitive and attune to that. >> and as per the cdc findings, oftentimes i think the number was 54% that i just offered without known markers, right? so there are many among us struggling right now that we're not aware of. >> yeah. and we don't know the known markers thing is very fascinating.
when i read all that is you did part of it suggests that, you know, as we know that suicide isn't kind of a tidy thing. you can't say okay this person suffered acute anxiety or chronic depression and thus this happened. i wonder if that tell us that a lot of people are undiagnosed. there weren't known factors because nobody marked things. if they had been in therapy people would know there was a symptom there. >> the class at yale -- >> it was the cover of the new york magazine. i don't know -- happiness is a tricky thing. you know, we talk in politics about things like affluence and things like security. happiness is a subtle or tricky thing. right now in this country you see enormous loneliness. that's not a word that came up in your intro and hovered over that entire intro. we see a break down in a lot of community bonds and social bonds. we have a lot of people spending time alone at their screens not
interacting with others. all of that factors into this and we need as a country, as a people to ask whether we are interacting with each other the way we should, whether we're paying as much attention to our emotional health as we should and whether some of the trends of modern life, the kind of fracture, the polarization, the amount of time on the internet, technological adventures, what are those doing to our bonds with each other. i think it's a good time to talk about all of that. >> i think you're so right. i wouldn't have used the word loneliness. i would have used the word isolation. frank bruni, you make me think of the book from last year igen. she would say corallation i would say causation but i don't have the credentials. smart phones. and there's a book coming out in two weeks that i already read, your privacy has been hacked i think is the title. i wonder in 25 or 50 years when we look at technology and this
era and some of this subject matter whether we're going to view it differently. >> i think you're right. i think one of the great ironies of our moment right now when it comes to technology, when it comes to the internet is that these tools that are supposed to speed us to each other more quickly, bring us to new horizons are, in fact, freezing us in place. they're freezing us in our political beliefs and often leaving us alone because we can use technology to feel like we're diverted, like we have company when really we have nothing along those lines at all. i think the promise of technology has been at great odds with reality of technology and the way we're using it. >> thank you, frank. >> thank you, mike. joining me now is a professor of psychiatry at tufts university school of medicine and author of these books "on depression drugs diagnosis and despair in the modern world" and "first rate madness uncovering the links between leadership and mental illness."
doctor, the cdc data, does that comport with what you see in your practice and your academic research? >> yes. hi, michael, nice to be with you again. yes, definitely. what we're seeing especially in the younger populations, teenagers and young adults is doubling, tripling rates of depression in the last decade. there's no biological explanation of that. the cultural ones which you touched on make the most sense, access to websites that make it easy to learn about how to commit suicide and of course social media. we could call it snapchat depression where this higher depression rate probably increases the propensity of people to commit suicide. >> in other words, the pressure that social media brings on one is to have to compete, to have as many friends, to present this ideal life because that's what you see among others in your social circle. >> yes. there's all that. there's the cyber bullying. there's the fear of missing out.
it's complicated, but adolescence and young adulthood is tough enough as it is. what social media has exponentially worsened a lot of the negatives which seemed that way of what positives are there. >> this time of year, i didn't know this until you and i had communication in anticipation of this dialogue, but this time of year is itself a spike. explain. yes. there's a peak of suicide in the springtime. this has been shown for over a 100 years. the thought about it is that the light increases energy and it elevates mood. and for people who are really sensitive to it, who are susceptible to depression, usually manic depression, in the springtime they get some manic-type symptoms. they get sped up in their energy, feelings and so on. they're still depressed. so they get this mixed state where they're depressed but now they have the energy to commit suicide. this mixed state is really the highest risk for suicide and not just pure depression. and that's one reason why we
think that there's this peak of suicides in the springtime as we're seeing now and hearing about. >> dr. ghaemi, people do recover from depression. this is the most important point that you can underscore with your credentials. >> definitely. let me just say, suicide is an end point state. it's very complicated at the end, but the necessary internal kind of center of it is the depressions. it's almost always there. 90% of people who have depression don't commit suicide, but 5 to 10% do which is much, much higher than the general population. so, the key is to try to get at that disease of depression. there's the old saying if you have a what to live for, you can tolerate almost anyhow. and they lose that sense of meaning, the disease takes that from you at the end. that's treatable if you get diagnosed correctly and sometimes people get
anti-depress sants. and you get treated correctly. i want to mention lithium has been proven to prevent suicide and reduce 90% and at low doses you find in the drinking water where suicide rates are lower in the populations in those areas. we have that treatment. we can prevent it. >> i was just going to say i think that a step in the right direction is reduction of the stigma which your book "a first rate madness" in pointing out how many effective world leaders have suffered from mental health mallties and nevertheless were very effective at what they did, went a large way in that direction. dr. ghaemi, thank you for coming back. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> that's nassir ghaemi. has suicide touched your family or anyone in your friend's circle? we'll have results at the end of the hour. tweet me
@smerconish. i'll read some as time allows throughout the course of the program. what do we have from facebook, tough subject. i got into an argument with someone this week who said kate spade was selfish because she left a child. yeah. she was clearly suffering under some mental health mallty the last thing i would do is blame her. give me another one if you can. smerconish, we don't know the roof is leaking until we're inside. that is the wisest thing i've read regarding this. hey, it was said to me by a housekeeper. grace, grace snags who worked in domestic capacity for my family for 30 years from tobago and she would say that. you don't know if the roof is leaking until you live on the inside. up ahead, we'll go to the high powered g7 summit live in canada. allies are unhappy about the president's america first tariffs and request to reinvite russia to the meetings. and then the president heads
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hey, the foreign policy intelligence has it proverbial hair on fire over the president's interactions at the g7 summit with other world leaders. i'm looking at a headline in the "times" today by way of example, stark rejection of the geopolitical order. what are the political consequences of the president being a disruptive influence on the world stage? saturday morning before i began this broadcast, i often do a facebook live, sometimes while walking down the street and give a preview of the show. this morning while doing exactly that, i came upon nathaniel smoking a cigar. watch. so guy is smoking a cigar, i'm envious. how are you? hold on now. i'm doing a facebook live. are you okay being on it? >> i don't mind. >> okay. what's your name? >> nathaniel. >> what are you spoking there? >> z palmer. >> it smells good. >> yeah.
i'm from the old school. we're probably from the same area. i'm 57. >> i'm 56. >> yeah. i used to listen to you everyday on the radio. >> so what's the deal? you're just here -- what time is it? >> i'm a concierge. >> it's 7:30 enjoying a fine cigar. >> i start at 8 so i give myself some time. >> yes. >> i want to tell you something, i am a faithful trump supporter. >> a faithful trump supporter. >> i am a die heart. >> damn. >> you know how many people in my neighborhood voted for it? >> secretly on the down low. >> because what's the attraction to trump? >> backbone. >> backbone? >> that's right. a man of his word. >> a man of his word. >> we haven't seen that in a long time. i respect him more. >> this is a good interview. i had no idea i would be able to conduct a street interview here. are you getting what you wanted from him? >> every promise that he has -- during the campaign, he kept his promise. and he's keeping his promise. and the thing with him is when
he says it, he means it. >> there you go. all right. cast your ballot for donald trump. >> oh, i will. >> you going to enjoy the rest of that cigar? >> yes, i am. >> let me see you take a hit on it. oh, yeah. uh-huh. >> have a good day. >> all right, mike. >> see ya, bud. >> some say erratic behavior, some see backbone. i think it underscores a point, they're getting exactly what they wanted. needless to say, enormous social reaction to that interview. katherine, hit me with something. what do you got from my facebook page? >> if what that man said is true, trump is in for another four years. maybe canada or england will take us in. angela, i think the point that needs to be made in the face of the condemnation of the president, oh, he arrived late, he's leaving early. he didn't want to be there for climate discussion. he's showing disrespect, to nathaniel and others, he's rattling the cage of the world
leaders in a way he said he was going to. hit me with another one. i guess nate hasn't been listening to the news. marilyn, i think he's been paying attention to the news. nate's take is different than the one we're accustom to seeing on the front page of "the times." one more. they voted for him secretly because he has backbone. interesting about the inner city. tremendous peer pressure. diamond and silk touched on the topic. not overlooked is the fact that he was making a point not only what he respects in the president but that he says his neighbors voted similarly for him. i have to say, i don't think that the data bears that out, but given the decline in the lack of unemployment figures, perhaps in the next go around. who knows. any way, i told you a year ago when president trump was elected, i got to get out of my own bump. i'm trying to do it. that's good evidence. still to come, we'll be live at the g7 summit in canada where
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what fascinates me as a formter advance man myself are the practicalities of planning these momentous events. joining me now is someone who knows a great deal about that, spencer who worked for george w. bush has traveled over 100 foreign countries organizing trips for the president, 30% of those trips were summits. he planned the g8 in 2004. spencer, thanks for coming back. let's look forward to singapore and the possible pitfalls when the president meets with kim jong-un. what is going through your mind in terms of hazards to avoid? >> well, first of all, michael, thanks for having me this morning. you know, there are so many things that have to be planned out for this summit. especially with no prior track record. these two countries haven't met at this level in many, many, many years. and so, you know, the simple things of who arrives first at
the venue, who sits on what side of the table, what meeting participants will be allowed in the room, will there be press conference, will there not be press coverage, how are the press pools made up? this will be interesting to see how kim jong-un reacts to the u.s. media. with a state run media there would never be anybody in the state north korean media that would shout out questions, i'm quite certain. and so he's going to have to see how the u.s. press and world press operates when they go into a meeting like this and shout questions at the leaders. so there are so many things that have to be worked out, hours and hours and hours of planning meetings, several trips, some secret, some not secret and planning process. so this has been going on for months. and, one little decision, one little decision that has to be made could take hours and hours of meetings to get to the
result. >> on that endless list of minutia that need to be dealt with, things like the height differential between the two of them, right? i'm sure that is something that the north korean side is going to want to handle as best they can. >> absolutely. there is quite a significant health -- height differential between the two. so, yes, all of those things come into play. and you know, what's interesting is that international protocol, order of precedent, kim jong-un has been in office longer than president trump. and according to international protocol, he gets to arrive last and leave first. and so all of those little details have to be worked out. and it's going to be interesting. there's really no road map to follow with these two leaders. and they're both quite different in the way they conduct their
foreign policy. so, it's going to be interesting tv. >> spencer, how about food preparation? >> yeah. that is an interesting topic. obviously food security is extremely important. and so, you know, the secret service is going to have their hands full with making sure that the meals that are prepared are safe for president trump to consume. i'm sure the north koreans will be interested in making sure that the food that their president consumes is safe. and so, all of these little details, i mean, there's not a single detail that's not accounted for, looked after and watched by somebody on either side within the delegations. >> so, right now because this all is on tuesday in singapore, at this particular moment, you would expect that on the ground, in singapore are representatives of the presidential advancement for the united states and some form of contemporary for the
north koreans working through all of these aspects. >> correct. they're probably in the final walk-through stages of the advance, meaning that most of the details have been worked out. you know, if there's anything still undecided, they're probably going to have some late meetings to figure that stuff out, but generally at this juncture in the trip, everything has been decided and now it's just a matter of doing the final walk-throughs to make sure they haven't missed anything. you know, but this is -- the two leaders can decide to take this totally off the road. and, throw away the map and do their own thing. so as much as this has been planned and scripted, it could easily change completely by the time that this thing is over. >> spencer geissinger, thanks so. for coming back. >> great, michael. still to come, we'll be life at the g7 summit in canada where the president's america first
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you're looking at a life shot of the g7 summit. we'll go there momentarily. papadopoulos. meanwhile, this week the same day that the miss america organization announced it was ending swim suit and evening gown competitions, a former miss america won the democratic primary for alabama's third congressional district. mally haggen was miss america in 2013 and after working as a local news anchor in columbus, georgia, this week she won the primary in alabama to represent the third congressional district in the democratic party. she will face representative mike rodgers in the fall. she was one of the former contestants was fat shamed by sam has kel who ended up having to step down. mallory joins me now. she is the author of a recent
piece entitled i'm a former miss america winner. good riddance to the swim suit competition. how come? give me the take you have on this? >> hey, good morning. you know, here is the thing, throughout my year as miss america i did so many wonderful things that most of the general public knows nothing about. and partially that's due to poor branding and poor marketing by the former board of directors and the former executives at miss america, but a part is also because this telecast reflects nothing of what we do throughout the year. what we're really trying to do is just marry what miss america does with what the general public sees in the pageant and i think it's going to really help people understand that miss america is a job. it's a very well paid job. it's a very demanding job. and it's one where you're expected to be an advocate and speaker throughout the year. and not a bikini model. >> okay. but will anybody watch? >> i certainly hope so. you know, we have enough models
and aspirational body types out there in the entertainment industry. i want to see young women have a spokesperson to look up to and someone to aspire to be and perhaps emma roberts or oprah or anyone one of these inspirational women across the country who doesn't necessarily use their body in order to create change and do good. and i think that we need more young women in public eye who are young people can look up to and aspire to be and i hope that people will tune into miss america to see we have a lot of young women across this country who are just that and now we need to showcase them the way that they should be showcased. >> but can't we do both? listen, i do this as a compliment not to be demeaning. >> sure. >> we have the image of you when you were miss america. you're stunning in that bikini. what i'm thinking about when i
remember -- by the way, don't embarrass her. we can put it on the screen. she looks great. she won. there it is. mallory, it's not just guys who like to look at beautiful women. women like to look at beautiful women. my mother is one of 11, eight sisters and three brothers. when i was growing up, i remember when before the cell phone era they would all be working their push button phones and calling one another my god, look at miss mississippi, look at miss texas. they loved getting caught up in all of it. >> sure. we can absolutely do both. and there are women everyday out in the community doing wonderful things that are both beautiful and service driven. and you know, no one is saying that moving forward in the miss america pageant shouldn't take care of their bodies, shouldn't be healthy and shouldn't be beautiful. listen, the miss america organization is not going to change their public perception of what is beautiful or what is
desirable. and in every judge's minds and in the public eye, they're going to be drawn to the young woman that they are attracted to. that is totally acceptable and a part of human nature, but what we're trying to do is let people know that miss america is a spokeswoman for children miracle network hospitals, an advocate for platform, mine had to do with child sexual abuse prevention and a spokeswoman throughout the year. we want people to see that on stage. it's not to say you can't be beautiful and can't do both because you certainly can and we celebrate that. we just want to show our audience what it is that miss america does and that's she's a spokesperson. >> mallory, good luck in your congressional bid. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. see what you're saying on my smerconish twitter and facebook pages. smerconish, i'm not understanding why everyone thinks the beauty is going away because they're getting rid of bathing suits. they are not one in the same. well, that's a great point,
krissy. you're still going to see beautiful women, i imagine, al beit not auz. of them. how is that? one more if we have time for it. smerconish, archaic. ditch the entire stupid degrading thing. well, i wonder if it's not now on a downward spiral if they get rid of this aspect of it. time will tell. we'll see what the ratings hold. right? we'll go live to the g7 summit in canada where the president has been tardy to this morning's breakfast and generally been at lagger heads with the other leaders. uld fix . (laugh) no. with claim rateguard your rates won't go up just beacuase of a claim. i totally could've... (wife) nope! switching to allstate is worth it.
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there's a lot of tension behind the smiling handshakes at this weekend's summit of the alliance of the industrialized nations. known as the group of seven or g7 in quebec, canada. the other leaders have been confronting president trump about his tariffs and so far only one has agleed with president trump that russia should be reinstated after being banned for its actions in crimea. this morning the president arrived late on gender equality breakfast. we go to boris sanchez for an update. boris, was he just late getting out of the sack or was that a reflection of the subject matter that was being discussed at breakfast? >> that is a good question, michael, one that i presented to white house officials. i have yet to get a response. some may say that the president perhaps took a bit too long picking out a tie. this was just a coincidence that he was late, but we should point out that the president was late to the summit by more than an hour.
he had to reschedule bilateral meeting with french president emmanuel macron. and obviously white house officials told us that he is departed early. he's not taking part in a number of sessions dedicated to the environment, climate change, the health of the world's oceans. so for the president to arrive late to this meeting perhaps could be read with some intention on his part, especially when you consider that donald trump is so sensitive to optics. this is a president that understands the power of an image. for him to show up late to this meeting, perhaps it sends a signal to these other leaders about how he feels. after all, he spent much of this week in a spat with his french and canadian counterparts on twitter, talking about what he perceives as unfair trade practices. there is a podium set up. and we just got an alert, just now, that president trump will be speak iing at 10:00 a.m.
eastern. we'll get remarks from the president of the united states, likely to discuss his private conversations with emanuel macron and justin trudeau about trade. he has been very vocal when he talks about what he feels is a disadvantage to the united states when it comes to bargaining and trade deficits. some other leaders have pushed back, specifically macron, tweeting out if the president of the united states wanted to isolate himself, then the leaders of the other six nations in the g7 would ban together and move forward without him. we've not seen anything on camera, other than the president showing up late to this meeting. behind closed doors it's possible there have been very tension discussions. so far only handshakes and smiles. we'll see what the president of the united states says in a few minutes, michael. >> boris, he's scheduled to speak in less than ten minutes, then leaving quebec soon
thereafter, presumably because he needs to prepare and get to singapore, which seems at odds with what he said yesterday. i've been preparing for this my whole life and one doesn't need to overprepare for a summit. look what happened to hillary. et cetera, et cetera. there's a cracks in there, is there not? >> you certainly could say so. it is notable he's leaving the g7 early. probably not surprising he's missing those sessions on climate change. after all, he has claimed that climate change is a hoax being perpetrated by the chinese. however what we heard from the sources inside the white house is that the president was hesitant to come to the g7 because he didn't want it to be a distraction from this historic summit that he's going to have with kim jong-un next week, the
leader of north korea. again, this say president that is sensitive to optics so he certainly wants to play up that historic meeting. again and again he has said that he is the reason that this meeting is taking place. though critics have pointed out that the north koreans have been pushing for one on one meeting between their supreme leader and the president of the united states as a way to sort of elevate that regime. it will be interesting to see what happens next. and perhaps we may hear a preview of what the president is going to say in singapore the next few minutes when he speaks at the g7. >> nicely done. thank you, boris. we appreciate it. >> thanks a lot. >> we'll see what you're saying on my smerconish and twitter facebook pages, what happens come in. well your president showed up late to g7 maybe it's cause i'm canadian but that's just rude to show up later. what else?
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