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immigration policy leading to these images on your screen right now of children behind metal fences. you can call it cages, pens, whatever you want. but this is what we're dealing with this morning. >> children separated from their parents. former first lady laura bush said it is cruel and immoral. the president has lied about this, calling it a democratic policy. it is not. you can argue the merits of what he has decided to do, which the attorney general, chief of staff, former chief strategist has all done. you cannot argue what caused it to happen. the white house chose this. we will speak to two lawmakers who you toured a detention facility in texas technical. let's begin our coverage with abby phillip live this morning at the white house.
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abby, give us the latest. >> reporter: well, good morning, john. in just six weeks, 2,000 undocumented children have been separated from their families at the border. and the controversy over this zero tolerance trump administration policy for people who cross over the border is growing by the day and by the minute. >> they're using the grief, the pain, the tears to build their wall. >> if you cross the border with your children, your children will be ripped away from you. that's traumatizing to the children who are innocent victims. >> reporter: former first lady laura bush condemning the practice in a scathing op ed,
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comparing them to japanese internment camps. bush wrote i live at a border state. i appreciate protecting our international boundaries but this breaks my heart. and melania trump supporting families even while her husband's administration is pursuing this policy. melania trump issued an extraordinary statement of her own, in some ways distancing herself from the policy but in other ways echoing her husband's language about it. the statement wrote mrs. trump hates to see children separated from their family and hopes both sides of the awful can come together to achieve successful immigration reform. >> 6 x 10 area. you get out two hours a day. that is who i think a child 10 years old is a prison. >> reporter: republican senator susan collins and jeff flake sending a letter to the white house demanding clarification about whether the practice is being applied to asylum seekers. homeland security secretary kirjsten nielsen insisting the
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children are only taken in certain circumstances and the white house has no policy of separating families. >> i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change their law. that's their law. that's the democrats's law. we can change it tonight. we can change it right now. you need their votes. >> reporter: president trump trying to use the issue to support gop border legislation, while continuing to blame democrats for illegal immigration. but the trump administration's increased enforcement began in april. attorney general jeff sessions later announced the new zero tolerance policy. >> president trump could stop this policy with a phone call. >> he doesn't seem to acknowledge that. >> he can. i'll go tell him. if you don't like families being separated you can tell dhs stop doing it. >> you saw the president on
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camera. he wants this to end. >> reporter: despite the fact that senior policy adviser steven miller told the "new york times" last week it was a simple decision to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry, period. well, tomorrow, president trump is going to be meeting with house republicans over immigration. republicans are trying to push through one of two immigration bills. conservative one and a compromise moderate one. the president is doing this in part because he threw a wrench in the plans by announcing on friday that he oppose said them. the white house had to walk that all back. and of course with this issue of undocumented children at the boardser, it is very likely they will be part of discussions tomorrow. >> abby, please keep us posted on any developments. meanwhile, kirjsten nielsen taking to twitter to defend the trump administration saying, quote, we do not have a policy
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of separating families at the border. period. but the truth debunks that as we see in video and photos and with our own eyes. dianne gallagher is live in mcallen, texas where she was granted access inside a processing facility. so tell us what you have seen there. >> reporter: yeah. in that process center, the busiest on the southern border, rio grande. they have separated more children from their families than any other facility in the entire cotry. it is important to note this is. they are only supposed to be here 72 hours at most before they go to the next step. that's where the separation tends to occur. we went inside. incident was a heavily controlled, guided tour with the border patrol agents. and i can tell you when we
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walked inside, the first room housed these peps with about these 12-foot-high chain-link fences of single adult males and single adult females on opposite sides of the room. in the middle, it looked like an everyday office with desks and computers. there was a video bank where they were doing virtual processing. because with this zero tolerance policy, they have more paperwork because it is essentially 100% prosecution rate right now. so there is more for border patrol to do there. we went into a separate room. 55,000 square foot warehouse where there are much larger pens. unaccompanied minors are in one area. young boys, teenage boys being held together. one boy came from guatemala. he had a big smile on his face when we showed up. he said he was happy to be there because it wasn't outside.
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that he was doing very well. in the others, you had fathers who came with children. toddlers in there. mothers as well. they had water, clothing. but they don't know what's next, alisyn. that's the key. >> thank you for giving us your own eyewitness account. joining us to discuss is michael smerconish and margaret. this is a trump administration policy. jeff sessions, steven miller, they have talked about how they are purposely doing this as deterrents. >> john kelly. >> john kelly. they could interpret zero tolerance however they want. george w. bush started the zero tolerance policy, referring all the illegalen trapbts for prosecution, but they didn't separate the children from adults because they felt that was in humane. the trump administration is
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interpreting it in this way in order to be a deterrent. is there any sense, margaret, other than sort of the media outcry about this that public sentiment is catching on and turning on and demanding a change to this policy? >> i think this weekend, and the last few days have been pivotal in painting a different narrative than the one the administration initially talked about as they tried to explain this policy. i was going to say justify this policy. the second wave is this is the democrats' policy, which we know it's not. there is a tremendous amount of internal division inside both the administration and republican party on whether this is appropriate. as some of that very important reporting happens on site where there are actual accounts how these children are responding, the practical implications. ultimately what's going to
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happen i think we don't know. but it's crucial how republican lawmakers and the president interact. there will be several chances this week for that. >> they chose this. the administration chose this. now people are weighing in. your question was, is it having an impact beyond just the media? i covered the bush family for years and years. i don't ever remember her jumping in with both feet as she has here. not only does she call it immoral. i live in a border state. i appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries. but this zero tolerance policy is cruel. it is immoral and it breaks my heart. she lives in a border state. it seems this is well beyond what the administration wanted here. >> i think you are asking the same exact question, how is this
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going to play politically? i would caution you, john, other instances both during the campaign and during the presidency where the initial reaction has been one of appall or aghast at what has transpired, the muslim ban or series of initiatives, grab them by the p. those are not impacted the base. i'm more taken with franklin graham, cardinal dolan than laura bush. >> i agree with what you're saying. it has gone beyond laura bush with franklin graham. that was happening last week. franklin graham was out there talking. you see religious leaders weighing in. it is having an impact. >> but the policy is being defended in those immediate on ya outlets that his base pays the closest attention to. and there the answer is to say that the parents who are bringing these kids here in this
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scenario are using them as chips or pawns and the fault lies with them and not with the administration. i'm simply saying it's not the no-brainer in terms of how it is perceived at first blush. >> i appreciate that reality check. you bring us that from pennsylvania, which is so helpful. margaret, what were you going to say? >> i was going to say, to some extent we are talking about the same thing. if there's tremendous pushback from both the evangelical community, that part of the religious base and from the republican lawmakers in congress, it may begin to have an impact on how the president receives the risk/we ward that the policy sends. we have seen republican lawmakers support the president even when they're uncomfortable with something he is doing. that interaction is going to be crucial in the next few days. >> michael, i want to get back to what you're saying about the
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trump base. you're right that so often we hear something that is interpreted as outrageous but they don't see it as a deal breaker. in fact, they embrace it. this has been an in tractable problem for decades. trump ran on this. what his voters say is you cannot have a country if you have open borders. if every single day hundreds of people are coming in for whatever their motivations are, are coming in and crossing the border and then there is this process they call catch and release of someone being arrested, because the courts are clogged, they are asked to come back at a future date for a court hearing. and sometimes they show up and sometimes they don't. >> right. >> the trump administration thinks if you do something really punitive, like separate kids from parents, maybe it will send a message as a deterrent. that has yet to be proven.
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people are still showing up with their kids. >> well, i think the nature of the immigration we're talking about has shifted. where it had been singles, individual males coming from mexico. now it's many families coming from central america. to your point, alisyn, they are probably playing us a bit, playing us hereto for on our sympathy because they know we would keep the families intact. the hard decision is do we keep the families intact knowing we may not find them again or pursue some so-called zero tolerance policy and run the risk now of separating parents from kids? look, i feel the need to say this as a father of four who celebrated father's day yesterday, i'm horrified by the images as well.
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>> i'm going to weigh in one more time. i think one way you know that the president thinks there's a political issue here is the fact that he's lying about it. >> i agree. >> he won't own it. he won't own it. sessions owning it, john kelly owning, steve miller, steve bannon, not with the administration anymore. they are saying we did this and this is why we're doing it. the president lies and calls it a democratic policy. this was awe white house choice. the white house chose to go down this road and now the president won't own it. to me it indicates he's having a hard time on the phone, maybe with the pictures. you're saying there is a split within the administration here. do you have any sense on how much more they're willing to take here? is this just to get through tuesday to meet with the congress? >> i think part of what the president has been doing up until now has also been a strategic policy effort to
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pressure democrats to sign on to funding for a wall. it seems obvious that's not going to work at this point. he has two things he's pursuing, one to pressure democrats to vote a certain way, and the other is to detract the public outcry to say this is not my fault. as the reporting continues, this is an administration policy and it is his choice. >> margaret talev, michael smerconish, great to talk to you. >> you just like it because smerconish agrees with you. >> there's nothing to agree with. he like it when he says there is nothing as simple as it appears. maybe we will have michael back again. some democratic senators getting a firsthand look at the immigrant processing on the border with mexico. what they saw, what they think of the trump administration position on this. but what are they going to do about this? that's next. come here, babe.
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a father's day of action. they visited a processing and detention center to see the facilities where children are separated from their parents. joining me now is jeff merkley and chris van holland. we know you made a trip previously there. tell me what you saw over the we weekend. >> we went to five different centers, including the port of entry and different status of processing. and the facility where children are being kept, almost 1,500 children. finally we went to a facility where the adults are being held. >> is and what did you see there, senator van holland? what were the conditions? how did the children look? >> the first place, a processing center is where you have kids separated from their parents.
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you may have seen the pictures. we had an opportunity to talk to a mom. i mom who fled violence in guatemala. her daughter had been separated from her in that facility. she didn't know where her daughter was at the moment. and this is the direct result of a deliberate policy that the trump administration has put in place over the last six weeks. we later talked to moms at the detention center who told us they had also been separated from their children. so we should end this in humane, cruel policy. >> the president, no question the president could end this with a phone call. the white house chose this. i don't believe there is any debate on that. be that as it may, until he does that, senator merkley, what are you going to do about this? how will you help fix this
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problem? >> well, the biggest thing is to shine a spotlight. we have seen the evangelical community weighing in, the southern baptist community starting to weigh in. we are starting to tear away some of the fallacies the station is conveying to the american people. they said we are just trying to get people to enter at the port of entry. what we see is it is essentially shut down for people seeking asylum. four border guards were at the port of entry stopping people who did not have papers, those who are seeking asylum. we heard there have been requests from the u.s. to the mexican side to not even allow them to the bridge to begin with. that part we weren't able to check out. they can seek sa sigh hrupl. the families are arriving.
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they were an impossible situation. to remain on the mexican side, subject to gang attacks because they are so vulnerable, the administration says, see, they're breaking the law, we're putting them in handcuffs, we're throwing them in prison and taking away their assault. this is an all-out assault on those fleeing persecution getting a fair case to present their asylum to the united states. >> the question is what has been done in the past to keep this from happening? those things that have been tried haven't worked. and president trump is saying give me a wall. give me more border protection. this will help stop it. and people in his administration are saying this will act as a deterrent, separating kids from their parents. nothing has worked to this point. doesn't something new have to be
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tried, senator van holen? >> first of all, this is not working in terms of stemming the folks who are fleeing for their lives from violence. we talked to moms who fled with their kids. it's not having that effect. what we have done in the past is keep these families together through the asylum process. one of the things we should do is increase the number of asylum judges so people can get their hearings. but at least the families would be kept together. the moms and the daughters, moms and the sons, would at least be kept together during that process. what president trump is doing is putting in place this policy to try to get leverage on other parts of his immigration legislative proposals. so what he is doing is holding these skpaeurpts their kids hostage to a whole set of other
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immigration issues when he could end this today. >> hang on one second, senator merkley. see if we can figure out what some legislative plan, and there are two we voted on this week. let's see what you could support. would you support any border wall funding if it would protect these children wore o being separated from their families, keep them together? >> so, john, just one thing i want to clear up. there was a case management program, case managers were assigned. 99% success rate in people turning out for their hearings. that was a program by the trump administration. so families have been kept together. they have shown up for hearings, treated respectfully. understanding the core of what chris was describing, deliberate infliction of trauma on children and stress on adults to send a political message. that is unacceptable under my moral code under any religious tradition.
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>> one of the bills, moderate version of the plan would allow for safe keeping and these families staying together. >> right. those are both house republican bills. in the senate, as you know, there was a bipartisan bill. susan collins, a number of republicans, lindsey graham, responded to the president's request months ago to come up with a, quote, bill of love. that's what the president said he wanted. and we had a bipartisan bill. it would have included additional funds for border security generally. what happened? pulled the rug out from their that effort entirely. republican senators were furious about what he did. he is playing a game. as you were saying earlier, he knows. he knows this family separation policy is very unpopular. what he is doing is trying to
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point fingers a lot others and use it for leverage for a whole set of other immigration issues. but this family separation is his doing and he could end it today >> that you know so much for being with us this morning. appreciate it. john, now to this story we have been covering for months. the mega merger between at&t and time warner is now complete. what does it mean for you? we will speak to warner media's new ceo, our boss, next. oh, you brought butch. yeah! (butch growls at man) he's looking at me right now, isn't he? yup. (butch barks at man) butch is like an old soul that just hates my guts.
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>> okay. . at at&t's acquisition of time warner, the new name is warnermedia. our new boss and his first division interview. welcome. >> thank you. it's good to be here. >> can we get you any coffee?
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>> let's not push it, okay? >> so what a long, strange trip it has been for you to be sitting here today. did it get -- was it much more complicated than you ever thought when this was first proposed? >> that might be an understatement. it was awe trip like no other. i'm tkpwhradz it's behind us. we closed it out and it's time to move forward. >> given how hard it was, what is it about us at large that was so attractive to at&t? is. >> first of all, it's a talented company across a lot of media domai domains. we felt it was important we have scale and capability to work on content from a variety of different segments. just like sitting here, news is very unique from what you get. but both are very important in terms of how individuals want to consume content.
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there is no better way to do it than with emotional content that customers attach to. >> you said cnn has a special social responsibility. i hear from staffers, what happens when cnn's jim acosta is told by the campaign manager of the trump campaign, you should have your reden challenges revoked? what happens when it's not time warner, it is warner media? >> as i said last week, there is
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an obligation, a responsibility in running a news orz liganizat like this. we understand it is a two-way street. we work hard to make sure you are picking up factual information. we want to make sure we back you up as well. >> it's a heck of a time to be jumping into the news business. >> no different than the fact that this was a unique approval process. >> are they disconnected? given the history of what the president has said about the merger and cnn in the past, it creates a lot of complications. >> i think everything is more complex and difficult than it's ever been. if you were sitting over at facebook today and asking about what it's like to run their business, the transparency dynamic that any company has to
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run under and the volatility it brings in the decision making, that is just part of industry today. i don't think it is unique to our circumstances. it is broad scale across the economy. >> for all of our viewers, they want to know what this means for them. are costs going up? >> contrary to what the government allege said, no. our goal is to innovate on product. for me permanently, why i'm excited to be here, i have always been happiest in my career when i get to build things, do unique things and things that are different. our goal here is to invest in this business and to do it in a way that provides platforms and capabilities of where technology is taking things. a classic example might be here at cnn. how can we broaden the distribution of the great content you build every day? how do we make it readily available in the push lifestyle
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that everybody leads? there are very exciting things to do in that regard. it is about innovating, building new projects, investing heavy in content. it is certainly not about going out and trying to think about we want to raise prices on content. >> i think there has been some concern that we're in a period of decline or shrinkage as opposed to growth and investment. you're saying places like hbo, there is more money that should be spent? >> i think the model as we know it today, standard linear television is a very mature model. in the form of how ads are supportive. there is an opportunity to innovate. not only will with how the content is covered. that is why at&t is being led by brian lesser. more targeted advertising and
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monetize content in a way that remains affordable for the customer. so that's the kind of innovation we will be working on. >> fewer ads but more valuable ads. i think, wait, what about samantha bee, advertisers start calling up because she offended a lot of people with her comments about ivanka trump. what do you do when that happens? >> look, those moments are going to come up. i wasn't here at the making when that one occurred. i had conversations with folks. i have at least a high-level view of what took place. i'd be lying to you if i'd tell you there wasn't a conversation inside at&t of what would you do? i would tell you based on my understanding, again, i wasn't there in every detail of it, but process i think was executed in that regard and the outcome from it tracked very similar with my point of view and probably what i personally would have done. you know, at the end of the day our job is to make reasonable
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judgments, work through these things, get the facts. i think what is true is we're in a transparent time. the speed you need to do that is changing dramatically. it has to be much faster than it has historically been. >> so hbo obviously, as we like to think it's all about us, hbo is a giant part of this. what you want to do with hbo is something a lot of consumers and viewers would like to know. brian mentioned more of an investment in content. is the idea to make hbo more netflix-y, for lack of a better word. >> they have carved out a great position in the marketplace. we candidly believed as we started this process, with the right kind of technology platforms, it could do more, garner more engagement. if you went and spoke to most of the folks at hbo, they believe they can get more hours of the week of customer engagement.
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that's the battle we're all fighting. how many hours a week are we getting engagement from the customers. we believe positioning the asset in a different fashion, we can drive that up. it will be product and content that enables that to happen. that will be a place we are spending the time. >> i think you should bring back the sopranos and "sex and the city". >> my job is content. >> you don't want to pitch your own shows? >> i'm certainly going to watch. but i'm not going to participate. >> brian, what are you keeping your eye on? >> we talked about hbo, turner, cnn. what about warner brothers? you're buying a huge movie studio, all of these television shows. what is the future of a big studio like warner brothers? >> i think as things evolve the next five years, one of the things that many companies will
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want to do is more directly control their intellectual property. if you can control your intellectual property, you have the flexibility as to how you move around your technology platforms. this becomes even more important if you start thinking about the global dynamics and how it is going to evolve over time. we are picking upn incredibly talented group of individuals that know how to make content. both in a variety of long form cinematic and scripted short form. and that becomes an engine. it becomes an engine to allow you to drive people into your platforms and get that engagement i talked about earlier. so continuing to use that skill set, something you can own, control and catalog over time. >> it is interesting to hear bottom line is more hours per week. >> that's right. >> all of the big media company want more time, more consumers.
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>> if you think about the battle we're in, it's a bats for customer engagement. physics isn't going to change the number of hours in the day. technology will enable instances where people can spend more time consuming. maybe as we spend more time in the back seat of a car, 5g networks that enable ubiquitous information of video no matter where you are, there will be more consumption of content. our job is to figure out how to get our fair share. >> is alisyn safe? >> alisyn is safe. you're all safe. >> that's all i wanted to know. thank you very much. >> great to have you here. it's an exciting time. a carjacker shot two people. how the confrontation ended, that's next.
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trying to explain its policy. there are reports of division inside the white house over this policy and outside we have seen division, as well. former white house communications director tweeted this. anthony scaramucco visits us. you still visit us when your boyfriend is not here. >> my boyfriend, chris? that's breaking news. i love chris but it is a lot better being interviewed by you. you can tell him i said that. >> i will. he won't like that. anthony, listen, your tweet makes no sense. it is not what the president wants. the president can stop this this morning. >> first of all, there were a
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lot of tweets i sent out yesterday and i was sparring with a couple of democrats. i think that the president should stop it. i think the optics of the situation, however we got there whether an obama policy -- >> george w. bush policy. >> whatever the facts are i'm not here to defend democrats or republican republicans but here to say it is a very bad policy i think he needs to step back. this is a moment where the government couldn't get it done seven or eight years. everyone complaining about each other. he stepped in and he got the ice rink up and running. this is the same sort of deal. he has to step in there and has
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to end this thing because i think it is an atrocious policy. it is offensive to the average american. when you think about american values it does not represent american values. >> you know his advisers say he is using it as deterrents. >> i think it's like i said, i'm sure there are a lot of different opinions. i think the president will do the right thing here. i think he has to clear through the cloud of that sort of disagreement inside the white house as it relates to policy, step back and look at the optics of this thing. the president is good at agery. he is a televion star and understands tha this is not good for him and not good for the congress if we want to win the mid term. >> how do you know he understands this is not good for him? >> i know the guy. i'm sure there is more than one honest person inside the white house that is looking to the president and saying we have to fix this. this is really bad for us.
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>> you know how it works in there. when do you think the president will change this? >> well, i don't know. i hope he changes it today, frankly. again, this is not something that the american people -- by and large if you survey republicans and democrats we don't want people separated from their children. i think there is a universality of understanding that that is bad policy. if you want to go to the exercise of who started the policy and can the democrats bridge a negotiation with him related to daca and other things? i totally understand that. the immediate remedial need is to change this right now. >> and the president can do that. >> we all know that the president can do that. he has executive power to do that. >> in terms of the blame game i do want to go there because you i think went there yesterday. the president didn't invent the child separation policy, his chief of staff did. john kelly told npr the children
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will be taken care of. expect the situation to be rectified. you are casting blame on john kelly? >> i'm casting blame on dhs starting in april o 2017. andhat' t exactly when it started happening. you are going back to the bush administration and the obama administration. >> can i interpret this to be that there is discord between john kelly and the president? >> maybe there isn't between them. i'm just saying the president if he steps back and looks at the situation will reject this policy and reject this behavior going on at the border. that's what i believe. >> but you think that john kelly has pushed him too far. you think this is john kelly's brain child and i'm just interpreting it. >> i'm just going by the facts. this happened in april. he was the head of dhs in april.
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it's been promulgated since then. reporters have picked up on it now. people have said it happened before that. it doesn't appear that it happened before that if you are looking at the facts. the policies were in place since the bush administration and you just said and it seems clear that neither the bush administration or the obama administration did this. it seems like it started to happen in april based on the information me and my staff looked at. so we're in agreement on that. let's knock it off because this is very, very bad for the republican party and very bad for the president. >> why do you think the president -- >> i don't mind saying that because at the end of the day what should happen in our process is that i'm a big-time supporter of the president. i want to see him win reelection. i have been very loyal to the president and i think loyal people have to be honest. they don't just fall in line in terms of group think because it is very bad. >> i appreciate your candor on
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this. why isn't the president overruling john kelly? >> well, maybe he will. i think here is the problem. you are the president of the united states. you are dealing with north korea. you want to denuclearize north korea. you are working on policy that leads to economic growth. >> he has a lot on his plate but he can stop it with a phone call. >> i think it is coming into his focus now. i think it is inside his cross hairs now. he is just back from a historic trip. you will see de-nuclearization of north korea. the economy is booming. don't let this be a distraction going into the mid terms elections. >> you actually think that this could hurt republicans politically? >> i think the optics are very -- at the end of the day the republicans control the house, senate and the presidency. you can say the democrats aren't negotiating with us on daca. to use this as a leverage point or negotiating point just
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doesn't feel right. there is a difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. and this is outside of the spirit of it. and i don't think it is right. i would rather speak up about it and tell the truth than sit around. i don't think the president needs at this point in his administration as he wants to win both the house and senate a lot of yes people saying this is the democrats' fault, leave it as is. even if it is the democrats' fault -- >> it's not. >> i'm not saying it is. i'm not stipulating it is. whether it is or isn't it doesn't matter it is bad policy and the president needs to stop it as soon as possible so we can talk about the great job he is doing on wages, economy, growth, peace and prosperity. i want to ask you about paul manafort. will the president pardon paul manafort? >> i have no idea. >> fair enough.
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moving on. we now know that roger stone met in 2016 with a russian who was offering dirt on hillary clinton. he didn't disclose it to congressional investigators in front of the house intel committee. the deal fell apart it sounds like because the russian was demanding $2 million in return for this dirt. why does there seem to be a pattern of people connected to the trump campaign to keep meating with russi-- meeting wi russians? >> in roger stone's case as i read through the story last night as probably you did, it doesn't seem like it was going anywhere. >> they still took the meeting. this is the pattern of people meeting with russians who keep promising dirt on hillary clinton. this is outside the norms of what we generally think of goes on in united states presidential elections. >> i hear you. you have an investigation going
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on for 17 or 18 months. i don't think the president was even aware of that meeting. i don't think the president has done anything near the russians or has anything to do with any level of collusion. that is just my opinion based on my observation inside the campaign and as one of his executive transition committee members. >> i think that is a valuable perspective that you have. there have been now 11 people according to the "washington post" who met with russians and didn't necessarily disclose it to investigators. >> i got the point, but there have been 23 people that have either been indicted or pled guilty related to situations going on with the russians. but the real question i think the american people want to know is did their president do anything collusive as related to outside international government? and i think the answer is no. we are 16, 17 months into the investigation. let's let the investigation play


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