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integrations and diversities. vladimir putin understands us very well. the question is do we and does donald trump really understand him? good evening, tonight of an exclusive interview of maria butina. it is a mystery and the white house won't tell us. we are getting more from russia than we are with washington. we begin with michael cohen, today we learned that he had made tapes with conversations with his clients and others and federal authorities have those tapes. they were seized of one from september of 2016. cohen and candidate donald trump
were talking of paying off former playboy karen mcdougal. money above and beyond and arrangement with the company ami to buy miss mcdougal's story and kill it. this takes place two months before the election. several weeks later a few days after the election, the campaign denied any knowledge of the affair or the national deal. that's getting ahead of the story. let's start at the beginning told to me by karen mcdougal this year. >> tell me about your first date. >> i was told we are going to beverly hills dinner. he told me keith, the body guard is going to pick me up at a certain time and he did. we drove over to the beverly hills hotel and keith drove around in the back, we have to
get out here because we don't want to walkthru t through the . i thought are we going to the room. >> we did have dinner but at his bungalow. we talked for a few hours and had a great time and getting to know each other and talking about his birthday and as the night ended, we were intimate. >> when you got to the beverly hill hotel and keith says we are not going to go through the lobby, was it to a room at the beverly hills hotel or a suite? >> it was a bungalow in the back. >> it was the one that he said he always stayed at and every time i met him there it was the same exact bungalow. he called it the nicest that they have. that's where we went every time. >> well, fast forward to november 4th of 2016. the wall street journal breaking
the story, a spokesperson, hope hicks, telling the journal, we have no knowledge of any of this. i asked mcdougal about this back in march. >> when you heard the denial, what did you think? >> somebody is lying and it is not me. at the same time i have to understand if he were to have told hope hicks that he did not do it, i guess i understand because he's trying to protect his family and his image and things like that but it was definitely like wow -- you are going to lie about that. okay. >> now, of course it is possible that hope hicks herself was being lied to. we know four days before the election, the chief person was lying to voters that cohen's trump tape shows that candidate trump was made aware and two
months before hope hicks said they knew nothing at it and we should have known given team trump telling the truth including the hush payments of stormy daniels which cohen arranged and confronted the money back in january. now here is the press secretary back in march. >> the president has addressed these directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. this case has already been won and arbitration and anything beyond that, i would refer you to the president's outside counsel. >> here is what the president said about a month later. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> why did michael cohen made it? >> well, you have to ask michael cohen. cohen is my attorney and you have to ask him. >> do you know where he got the money? >> i don't know. >> well, a few weeks later, rudy
giuliani says the president did in fact paid michael cohen. >> when i heard cohen's retainer of 35,000 when he was doing no work for the president. that's how he's repaying with a little profit and a little margin for paying taxes for michael. so, okay, that's rudy giuliani coming clean on the lie of his client and the people around him telling for months as for karen mcdougal, the spin had just begin. joining us now is maggie haverman and michael schmidt. >> let's talk fast because the story may change again. >> it says we were given an initial explanation where she indicated it is a separate payment and it is a payment to
mcdougal that was separate and apart from this arrangement that mcdougal had with the ami. they're discussing of obtaining the right to her story from ami. rudy giuliani was strenuously denying it could be construe as a reimbursement and he's adamant that it is not and it has legal implication and of the finance piece of this. in his telling of it, it was trump that says let's do it properly and it was michael cohen who either suggested cash or did not suggest a check in the first place. someone close to cohen denied that version of event suggesting that the presentation which, the candidate says let's do this is not how this went out and we are not going to know without
hearing of the conversation that is short. it is around 2 minutes long and it cuts off before the conversation is done. there are portions of it that's inaudible in the transcript. and, i think it would have to be heard by any of us to really understand what it is being said. it under cuts what the campaign told the sexual street journal of october 15th that they knew nothing about this. whether hope hicks is aware of that, i don't know, maybe it is possible that donald trump did not tell her the truth. it raises the president's credibility at the time. >> it is amazing, that rudy giuliani says let's take either one. they were discussing additional payment to mcdougal, well, we are not paying for her silence, we are paying the rights to her story which we did not believe
and we did not publish it and we want her to be a columnist. if they were discussing giving a payment to karen mcdougal, that's pretty stunning. i understand why he would call back then. no, that was not what that was everyone though what i said it was. it was buying the rights to the story. it does not make any sense. donald trump is not a publisher. >> it lasted one or two addition and this would not exist anymore. >> the extinction in the explanation has a legal one as opposed to the personal one. there is no landscaping in which this is a good thing for him in terms of what he had said about this. frankly what makes the most sense of him paying ami,
logically is they're reimbursing ami for doing them a solid of buying karen mcdougal's life right. that seems to be what donald trump is talking to his attorney of not buying her life rights so they can do something with it or bury them. ami have already buried them. >> it could be because they're buying it because they had control over it and burying it themselves. >> what you do with them is there is no credible explanation why donald trump would have want those other than put them on a shelve some where. >> yeah. >> that's where it ends up not making sense. >> rudy giuliani keeps on describing it exculputory. >> i am not a lawyer and i don't
know what's said on the tape. we are told by the people that both sides and this is another point of clarification. we are told this is the only audio of them and this is the only one of substance. meaning this is the only one that is call me back or call me, it features a conversation of anything that's material to that search warrant of michael cohen in april. >> you understand that the president had no idea that cohen had recorded him. >> no, the president did not know he's not recorded. it came confusing to me how this recording came to be and why is it so short and we know that cohen has a strong history of taping people. he told people he tape himself as well as a reminder of notes to prompt him of something in the future when he was trying to do projects or take care of things.
we don't know how many recordings were seized. there were a lot of unanswered questions about this. what is clear is that the timing of the reporting is evidence that the president had to have known about karen mcdougal and these payments when his campaign were saying it is not true. >> that's the big headline. >> maggie, thank you. still more questions on this. more on the legal angle now. jennifer rogers and john dean who has his own story to tell us of pivotal tape recording and our legal analyst. certainly rudy giuliani is trying to paint them as exculpatory. what do you make of that? and certainly and previously at the least, it shows his campaign was lying. >> that's right. there are a couple of things
that's interesting here is a legal matter. the recording is in the hands of the investigative team now. the prosecutors and the fbi who were doing the michael cohen's case that's not privilege. it is handed over. there is no legal advice being sought or the crime -- it means it is usable in court and not excluded on privilege basis. this is a campaign finance violation and almost certainly as you point out we don't know what's on the recording. here is the president and michael cohen talking a couple of months before the election about getting a benefit for the candidate and that's to keep quiet karen mcdougal. it is unlikely that will be brought. if nothing else, it will be spelled out in mueller's report which goes to the house for whatever they may do with it. >> the campaign violation,
normally it is basically a fine if it everyone an and i guess t federal election can refer it to the department of justice. they all have unanimously agree and that seems unloo i cikely. >> that's unlikely. it is a body that's totally dysfunctional. that's not true as a prosecutor looking at a campaign act violation but not likely. so this is not, you know this does not look like a major item to trade some sort of crime and some sort of immunity for cohen. i am not quite sure why this was floated when it was and when maggie added that this is the only recording he's got >> that's what rudy giuliani is s s claiming. >> yes, john.
we don't know if that's true. >> what do you make o f the reporting of president trump's reaction saying i can't believe michael would do this to me? >> i heard other stories where he was well aware as he told aaron barnette one time in an interview that he was in the real estate business in new york and everybody recorded everybody. i don't think he was particularly shock. he may not have thought that michael cohen may have done it because they had attorney/client relationship. the new york city barred during many of the years michael was working for him had made an exception for attorneys recording conversations. >> mark, there is been a lot of discussions of explanations of attorney/client privilege. just the fact of rudy giuliani
talking abouts the the detailse tape and already attorney/client privileges have been deemed not to apply here or invalidated because of the nature of the discussions. >> remember trump had lawyers who went into that courtroom and i believe it was judge woods' courtroom. they were able to successfully get a special master appointed. somebody ruled or looked at everything that was seized which was normally not how it operate in the federal system and usually a dirty team and a clean team. here they have a retired judge who ruled that it was a crime fraud or rule it was not privileged and rudy giuliani would obviously have access to the list or the privilege law that was submitted by all the lawyers from the respected side. what he's doing here is trying to spin it as exculpatory and i
understand it a legal sense why he's saying that. the president did not know the payoff was happening and they were discussing something after the fact. it does not take away from the fact. i am not familiar of the new york city bar rules that john just referred to. there is something r represenceable to a client of their lawyers recording them. the whole idea of attorney/client privileges is you are supposed to have a client to be able to unburden themselves and tell them everything they want to tell you and get your best advice. if i am doing that with a lawyer and he's dmaucaught in the cros hairs and releasing it and commenting on it, that does great damage to the attorney/client privilege. i don't care how you take or what your view is on trump,
there is something that's just unseemly about the feedback that these recordings of attorney/client conversations. >> the more someone always says well, i will take a bullet for you, the less i believe them. people who are like that don't have to say that over and over again. if you are that loyal, you don't record secretly of the person you are talking to. >> it is very strange. the president has the right to be angry. unfortunately for the president it is not illegal defense. he can't keep the recording out because michael cohen should knott have done it. cohen is in a position to have to decide what he's going to do. it is the loyalty that would have him to take a bullet and sending h typically prison for years and i think we'll know fairly soon as soon as charges are filed of which way he decided to go on that. >> do you see any parallels of
your situation and what michael cohen is facing? >> there are. he has to make a decision coming forward to tell the truth. i made the decision when the cover up was going on internally in the white house. he's at that point right now and my advice to him would be just tell the truth. it is the only way to go. john dean. jenner rogers, thank you very much. >> breaking news and a question, why would russia special counsel robert mueller wants to hear from a woman known as the manhattan madame. we'll ask her friend, roger stone, and the interview that you will only see here. the alleged russian spy joins us to talk about this.
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davis. our m.j. lee has more of the breaking news. what is the latest that you you have learned about this? >> we learned that mueller have made contact with the lawyer representing kristen davis. some may know her as manhattan madame. if you recall, she actually went to jail as apart of the prostitution scandal that took down eliot spitzer. that has not yet happen. we got in touch with the lawyer who would be representing her if that were to happen. if the special counsel subpoenas her, he would not be representing her. we do not know at this point why robert mueller is interested in talking to this woman.
certainly an intrigue ing and unexpected on robert mueller's investigation. >> at this point in time if we were to make an educated guess, that may be one reason why robert mueller and his team is interested in talking to kristen davis. the two have known each other for a long time. davis actually did some work for roger stone including i am told doing some clerical work and some work related to his website. mueller as we know has been interested in roger stone and taken interest of some of the aids that has worked for roger stone in the past. this may be the connection and the reason for his interest. i want to read a statement that we got from kristen davis' lawyer. it says davis and roger stone have really good friends and she has worked for her on and off.
she's currently in the cosmology business and she knows nothing what so ever of the 2016 collusion of election. she's trying to get ahead of the story and make it clear from the get-go that she knows nothing about robert mueller may be interested in. >> m.j. lee. thank you. >> roger thank you very much for being back on the program, we appreciate it. >> with mueller want to talk to kristen davis, tast third associate of yours, do you believe you are a target of this investigation and that's why they want to talk to miss davis? >> well, i have no idea. thank you for having me back anderson. >> i had no advance notice of the alleged hacking of tlhe dnc and received no materials.
now, kristen davis is a good friend of mine, she's a brilliant woman who has paid her debt to society. i thought it was unfair she went to prison and he went to cnn to host a tv show. she has remade her life. she was not working for me during 2015. she works for me during a portion of 2016. she went back to school to learn i.t. skills. she has helped me build sowebsi but she has no knowledge of anything that has to do with the 2016 election. can you see any situation they want to talk to her that does not have anything to do with you. mueller's office have been in contact with you and your attorney. >> i can't imagine anything other than that question. she has been association of mine for over ten years.
she's someone that i have great affection for. i am as m.j. lee reported the god father to her son. she's a single parent. she's now in the kcosmology business. >> would she been handling e-mail correspondents of that that's of interest to mueller? >> mr. muller have had full access to my e-mail and he's well aware there is no evidence what so ever not in the possession of kristen davis or andrew miller, another associate of mine. or anyone else of collusion with the russians and collaborations with wikileaks or any inappropriate act. this is a fishing expedition. perhaps it is the pay back of the fact that i broke the story yesterday. tony podesta has been the
special counsel asked for immunity for him in the manafort investigation or the manafort prosecution. i know that has not yet been reported on cnn. but, i reported it yesterday and i have multiple sources, fox has also reported it. i believe it to be true. perhaps, this is pay back for that. >> sam nunberg was asked what's next for you and he said that roger is going to be indicted and he's a critical piece for mueller. though he did talk to mueller, do you think he's right and do you think you will be indicted? >> mr. nunberg has no evidence of collusion. >> same is a smart guy, i think he has responsible members of the media should be careful when they take what he says at face
value. >> you told the new york times that donald goes out of his way to treat him like cougar gingri garba garbage. do you think michael cohen is out for a revenge of the president? >> i did not have the chance to follow the event for today. he wanted badly to be in the president's white house. i honestly do not know what he knows and whether any of it is debt detrimental to the president. >> i am going to believe it is benign. >> roger stone, thank you for being here. >> u vethank you very much. intelligence officers are saying
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talked to coats' staff, they did not inform coats o f the presentation because the press staff on-site have not been told. four days in counting since we have been in the dark of what happened when president trump and putin met behind closed doors. four days we asked for a read out and we got nothing and the national intelligence don't know anything about that either. >> i don't know what happened in that meeting. i think we'll learn more. but that's the president's prerogati prerogative. if he had asked me, how that ought to be conducted, i would suggested a different way. >> but that's not my role. that's not my job. it is what it is. >> that's american chief officer says he did not know when the two men. russian officials continue to
say are delighted of what took place and say there were agreements reached o f the two sides. what agreements and since we are not getting answers from the white house. we have to go to moscow for an answer. matt nhew chance is there. question don't have any read out from the white house, what are you hearing from russian officials? >> to be fair, anderson, we have not gotten a read out either from the kremlin in terms of this usual read out we expect after a big support summit like this. this is been useful agreements that have been made there. there is been a number of sort of kind of revelation trickled through from various officials.
discussing security arrangements internationally and reduction and deals over syria and things like that. the president was in moscow to attend a meeting here in the russian capital and said that there is been concrete agreements on eastern crew ukraine and local media reports of spoken about how vladimir putin and the russian president have spoken to ambassador about the possibility of holding a referendum in eastern ukraine to decide the future of that. and so you know that is the kind of you know revelation that we had come to us from russian officials. no firm read out. >> it is still so fascinating that vladimir putin made this offer about mueller's team going to moscow and russian intelligence coming here and
being able to interview u.s. officials that the president, you know, apparently i assumed on the one-on-one meeting would publicly of the press conference talked about sounds like a great idea and really interesting or you know something that could be considered. just out of hands and that would never happen and now the white house has walked that back and saying the president does not think it is a good idea. >> i was in the press conference and it was fascinating and horrifying to see the u.s. president in sort of a submissive kind of role in that relationship. among trump's critics he was going to make a stand at least and at least you know talk about
all the areas of conflict between the united states and russia. he did not do that and submitted when he came to that suggestion that the united states give up several of its key figures for interrogation by russian authorities and i think the sense here in moscow that you know it may have gone well on the surface but did it go too far? is there a possibility of a backlash in the united states and in dedeed the kind of backl that could lay a strain on relations between moscow and washington. there are mixed feelings here in moscow fair to say. matthew chance, appreciate it. >> officer steve hall and david asteroff. was there a time you remember president obama meeting one-on-one with somebody who is an adversary relationship with
the united states and the public not having any information about what was said? >> oh, all the meetings he had that i know of were read out to the public. he had lengthy meetings with people in foreign government. he had a lengthy meeting with putin in 2009 that was when putin was prime minister and not when he was president. it was a regular practice of our administration and every administration to read these meetings out. more importantly, anderson, it was the practice of this administration to have people monitor these meetings and make sure key national security advisers and cabinet members were advised after the meetings of what happened and were instru instructive or involved. everything about this was
unusual and troubling. >> the russians are the only ones doing the talking. have the u.s. lost the ability to control the narrative here. how does that impact the relationship? >> it does indeed seem the russians control the narrative which is never a good thing. we are getting information and i was reading something that there is a discussion where the russians were pushing the president on not allowing ukraine and georgia, any plan for nato and that's seriously very serious policy issue and not to mention all the issues regarding to syria and complicated issues such as for arm treaties and so forth. all of that stuff needs to be out there. there is no reason for it not to be out there. congress needs to take a look at it and let the russians to be the ones who do this is a recipe
for disaster because of course they'll spin it and they have no open and free press in russirus. there is no advantage of the united states for that. it is another situation where the united states is lost out of this particular summit. >> david, yesterday was announced that the white house have extended the white house to putin. if putin accepts the invitation before the midterm elections and comes, does that create a huge problem for congressional republicans? >> won't they have to answer questions whether they support the president's decision to host the man that attack to america and continue to attack our intelligence? >> i am sure the news of this invitation was greeted with wild enthusiasm and the republicans up on capitol hill, anderson. >> this has been a terrible
week. independent voters have been deeply troubled by this and obviously democratic voters and many swing districts. you s the cia officer in texas, he's in a tough race, in the swing district. there is a reason beyond his professional sense of outrage or whatever he feels about that he's speaking out because it is a political liability for him. so you know it is trump's habit to double down to be defiant about it and the invitation seems to be apart of the pattern and from a political standpoint, i have to believe that mitch mcconnell and maypaul ryan are urging him to postpone any kind of meetings until after the election. >> a couple of nights ago who said that he would not be
surviving had they recorded the transcript of what went on in the meeting one-on-one. do you think that is possible and how would that have happened? >> yes, absolutely possible. and something i would agree on. the russians certainly have the capabilities to do that and in a private meeting like that. it is child's play for the russians for to get audio and video on this. it can be used for a number of different things. >> i guess for the u.s., too. >> it is possible for the u.s. you have to sask the question whether the guy have a c clandestine going on. so he can later drop things out and shape the conversation. the president said this and here is the clip. so you know makes all sorts of sense that they would do that. they don't have to.
they can keep it to themselves. it is possible and useful for them in the future. given one o f the reasons that the president did not want to have other people in the room because he did not want leaks and since he did not trust the intelligence committee and bugging that room and having that tape for that very reason. >> yes, now the russians can leak it for themselves. >> steve hall, david axelrod. >> she entered a plea of not guilty. i will talk with her attorney with the charges against her.
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russian spy. it is not clear where he falls into this scheme. prosecutors suggested that he may be manipulated by butina who is half his age. >> robert is join us right now. >> lay out a long list of communications where your client, butina is a triumph. she was communicated after donald trump on the election and she writes "i am going to sleep, it is 3:00 a.m. here and i am ready for further orders, think about it in which areas of life we can go towards and bringing closer isis understandably and what else do we need to look at the american agenda. >> how do you and why is she asking for further orders? >> i think most government case is taken out of context. those twitter direct messages which by the way most russians don't communicate by twitter direct messages.
there are thousands of them between alexander and maria over years period. they were gun right advocates and they are friends. >> there are direct messages of pictures of kids and dogs and everything else. they have affinity for better relations. that was not the purpose of her trip to the u.s. it was something they discussed once in a while. >> your client talks about going quote under grown and incognito. to that you say -- >> again, marc maria says she's russian and worked with alexander and says she was friends with him and never did anything cohert at all.
or had more private dinners which is what they ended up happening. >> apparently from what i have read and from accounts from people who were at the university with her, she had a picture of loourvladimir putin r phone and she spoke in defense of vladimir putin if she was trying to in anything incognico. >> i would ask her about that. >> i would go the opposite by and down play my like of vladimir putin. >> i asked her about that today and i read it on cnn of the story of the phone kcover. it is a picture of vladimir putin shirtless on the horse. you can imagine you know she had as a gag and she's a russian student and everyone knew she's
a russian student. >> i am saying it argues in your f favor, it seems odd she would be publicly out there promoting vladimir putin's position. >> she was head of and well known in russia before she came here. she's been getting publicity if she were a spy, her relationship with torshin was disclosed in articles online over a year ago. >> so -- >> according to the government's theory, her cover was born over a year ago and she didn't leave. >> let me ask you, paul erickson, the man she had a relationship with, is he the u.s. person number one named in the indictment? it seems like he is. >> i'm not going to confirm nor deny that here. >> okay. >> i think you're on the right track. >> can you sigh exactly what her relationship with erickson was, was she using him to gain access to the nra, to republican elite? >> no, i mean, i think that they have a personal romantic relationship. and they have for about five years and they attended lots of events together over time. >> was she using sex as a means to manipulate erickson?
there was some indication -- there was one report she complained about being -- >> no. and i think it's very unfortunate, the government kind of dropped those allegations without any evidence the other day in open court. i vehemently asked the government for any support for those allegations about trading sex for things because i frankly find it kind of offensive just because she's an attractive woman that that's the direction people go in. i haven't seen any evidence of that and, you know -- >> i think someone from the school said >> well, i think someone from the school said the men she hung out with seemed to be above 60 which sort of struck them as odd. but there were handwritten notes found in her apartment. in particular, one said how to respond to fsb offer of employment. how do you explain that? >> i believe those notes were found in another apartment of person one. >> right, in person one's handwriting. >> in person one's handwriting. i don't think it's up for her to explain that. but i will say this. that as --
>> the fsb is offering full employment either to subject number one, who she's in a relationship with, or to her, that's certainly again raising questions. >> i think that anyone who is russian has to meet with the fsb when they go back and forth and frequently is asked at the airport what they're doing in america, if they had any information for the fsb. what would happen if the fsb approached her gun rights group or not group. i think those kind of things were discussed by her. >> but talking about employment, if the fsb is talking about full employment, that's of concern, no? >> again, and if there were any evidence she was employed by the fsb, you know, but there's just -- there's just none. >> have you ever represented erickson? >> no. >> and so bottom line, in terms of what your clients want, is it a plea deal, a return to russia? something else? >> my client's innocent of the charges. so what she wants to be is we're going to establish that the government cannot prove the case here.
the government has brought a case into the foreign registration act, which by the way, no one was ever prosecuted under. essentially it's a registration statute saying if you're going to do certain activities in the country, you have to register with the attorney general of the united states. so they're acknowledging that everything they did is legal under u.s. law. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. let's check in with chris and see what's coming up on "cuomo prime time." >> it's an interesting distinction legally between being innocent and the government not being able to prove a case. usually lawyers avoid the word "innocent" because it means you know for a fact your client did absolutely nothing wrong. usually there's an ethical hurdle that comes with that. tonight we're going to be taking a look at the cohen tapes, what they mean, what they don't mean, and why they're coming out now, which, surprise, surprise, i don't think is a coincidence, my friends. we're going to take people
through that and talk about what vladimir putin did with his first chances to prove a friend to trump. that's the show tonight. >> all right. seven minutes from now. thanks very much. just ahead, a look at the cnn special report "the trump show: tv's new reality." that airs at 10:00 p.m. eastern. brian stelter is the host. he joins us with details next. (♪) i'm a four-year-old ring bearer with a bad habit of swallowing stuff. still won't eat my broccoli, though. and if you don't have the right overage, you could be paying for that pricey love band yourself. so get an allstate agent, and be better protected from mayhem. like me. can a ring bearer get a snack around here? so what do you guys want? pistachio. chocolate chip. rocky road. i see what's going on here. everybody's got different taste. well, now verizon lets you mix and match your family unlimited plans so everybody gets the plan they want, without paying for things they don't. jet-setting moms can video-chat from europe. movie-obsessed teens can stream obscure cinema.
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>> in the trump era, last minute script changes are the new reality for scripted tv. >> we will see what we will see. >> there's this impulse to be relevant and to comment on what's going on. >> alex gansa is the co-creator of "homeland." >> when a story breaks do you talk about that, how to make that a part of show? >> it's the first thing we discuss every morning in the storyline, especially now when the news cycle is so crazy. >> breaking news, defending putin. >> breaking news tonight, a stunning shake-up at the white house. >> is this something germane to the story that we're telling? >> a porn star and a major staff departure, just another day in the trump white house. >> we were all utterly, utterly blown away. we are all trying to adapt to trump's america. >> veteran show runner a line shaken. >> is it fair to say hollywood is a hub of the so-called resistance? >> it's no secret that hollywood leans progressive and there's a certain dangerous presumption that everybody that walks into
the room is going to share your politics, and not everybody does. >> people feel insulted. >> journalist selena zito. >> people in the middle of the country believe that hollywood only portrays things in a certain way, as though they are the butt of the joke. that their views aren't respected. >> i'm joined now by brian stelter, host of reliable sources. it is fascinating to see this. i mean it's not only the trump presidency has changed the way we cover news. the news cycle itself just is amped up in a way, the speed of it now, it's not like anything i've ever seen. >> yeah. that affects hollywood as well as us in the cable news world. it affects these show runners producing sitcoms and dramas who normally didn't care much about what was going on in washington, but now there's this pressure, partly from the audience, to be reacting to what's going on in the real world. >> it's hard to compete there. a lot of this stuff seems like it comes out of hollywood, and yet, you know, they risk being
left in the dust if they do a storyline and then, you know, the next week a whole new turn has taken place. >> that's been a through line in these conversations. which spent months talking to tv's top producers, as well as critics who watch all these shows. they have said there have been a number of times they have to rewrite scripts. for example, on cbs's the good fight, there was a reference to stormy daniels suggesting she was just a flash in the pan. people moved has been made clear, people have not moved on from those stories. avenatti always in the news. they had to rewrite that particular line, change that part of the script. that's happening all the sometime now. on the comedy side, we're seeing so many jokes at the president's expense. perhaps too many. it is clear in left-leaning hollywood, they do feel they're part of the resistance. they're standsing up for what they feel is right. >> i'm wondering if there's a fatigue factor in hollywood either among viewers, people want a break from that? >> there's always a desire for escapism.
because we live in this age of peak tv, there's something for everyone. there's more shows than ever talking about the president, taking him on. there are also plenty of shows in the opposite direction. look, i've been wanting to binge watch the americans on fx. it recently ended. it's all about russia, all about the cold war. it feels like i could learn a thing or two from it now. there's a lot of shows like that that help you process the day's news. >> look forward to it. 10 tonight. the trump show, tv's new reality. 10:00 p.m. eastern right after chris cuomo. don't miss our new interactive on facebook. you can watch full circle. go to facebook.com/anderson cooper full circle. that's one word. i'll see you there on monday again at 8:00 p.m. on cnn. the news continues. i'll hand it over to chris and "cuomo prime time." good news. we designed "cuomo prime time" to do exactly what stelter was saying, process the day's events. anderson, have a great weekend. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." secret recordings of president trump taped by his longtime