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hello again, everyone. thank you for being with me i'm fredricka whitfield. the fbi has publically released a highly sensitive fisa request for the first time ever. it's on trump campaign foreign policy adviser carter page listing him as an agent of foreign power. something carter page denied to cnn this morning. the warrant is heavily redacted, but lays out why the fbi was allowed to conduct surveillance on page starting in 2016. so what other details are we learning from this 400-page, newly released warrant? shimon prokupecz joins me from washington with more on this. what stands out to you. >> when you get around the rhetoric sur roungd this and read the lengthy document and some of what the fbi is alleging is troubling, and should be for
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carter page. calling him an agent of a foreign power talk about how they believe he was collaborating and conspireing with the russian government. they say this fisa application, in targeting carter page that they believe he was the subject of targeted recruitment by the russian government and which they go on to say was trying to undermine and influence the 2016 u.s. presidential election. and then really finally this point that this fisa application makes is really damaging, i think, certainly for carter page among some other things in this, that it says that the fbi believes that the russian government efforts are being coordinated with page and perhaps other individuals associated with candidate number one's campaign, that is obviously president trump's campaign. what's significant in the redactions, fred, is likely there are other people who page probably was communicating with probably other people as this document says, perhaps worked
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for the campaign. people that the fbi had concerns about that we don't even know about yet. certainly this document mentions one other person we know who's cooperating with the fbi and pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi and that's george papadopoulos. but so much in these documents that we don't know. certainly things we don't know should be concerning and paints really a picture of what the fbi was concerned about considering carter page's communications with russians, his travel to russia, and really, you know, carter page denies a lot of this in his interview today with jake tapper. he can't really escape really all the information and all of the evidence perhaps that we don't even know about that the fbi has gathered in this investigation. obviously that the special counsel, robert mueller is investigating. >> shimon prokupecz, thank you so much. so carter page joined cnn's 'this morning on "state of the
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union" to give husband side of the story and here's his defense. >> you did advise the kremlin back in 2013 or 2012, somewhere in there? >> jake, that's -- it's really spin. i mean, i -- i sat in on some meetings but to call me an adviser i think is way over the -- over the top. >> except in the 2013 letter you wrote, it says, quote, over the past half year, i have had the privilege to serve as an informal adviser to the staff of the kremlin in preparation for the presidency of the g-20 summit next month where energy issues will be prominent on the agenda. that's yourself calling yourself an informal adviser to the kremlin. >> informal having some conversations with people. this is really nothing and just an attempt to distract from the real crimes that are shown in this misleading document. page 8 it says -- it talks about disguised propaganda, including the planting of false or misleading articles, which is
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exactly what this is. so that's kind of the pot calling the kettle black by mr. comey. it says the fbi believes page has been the subject of targeted recruitment by the russian government and then redacted, undermine and influence the outcome of the 2016 u.s. presidential election in violation of u.s. criminal law. it says the russians were trying to recruit you. we know you went to russia in the summer of 2016 to deliver a commencement address, is it not a possibility that the russians were trying to recruit you, even if you did not take the bait? it seems that would be your job, you were working for trump, you were working with the kremlin in the past, that would be a reasonable thing for you to try to do? >> it's unreasonable, jake, and it speaks to another misleading testimony related to the indictments that eric holder and preet bharara submitted on
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january 2015 talking about that prior case. and, you know, a lot of that is incorrect spin. that individual, mr. padobne, a young diplomat in new york. i talked with him about my class. i sat -- we had coffee one time. i met him at a conference, we met once for coffee and i gave him class notes that my students at new york university were looking at. it was in one ear and out the other. he never asked me to do anything. it's just so preposterous. let's check in with ryan nobles who's in new jersey where the president is spending the weekend. tell us about the president's thoughts on this. >> there's no doubt the president views the release of this document as good news as it relates to his argument that the mueller investigation is nothing more than a witch hunt.
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the president tweeted a number of times about the revelation of this fisa warrant application and attempting to make the case that this proves his point that there was some sort of conspiracy going on with the justice department as it relates to the investigation of his campaign. i want to point out one tweet in specific, congratulations to judicial watch being successful in getting the carter page fisa documents as usual theory dig lousily heavily redacted but confirm with little doubt that the department of justice, and note he puts justice in quote, and fbi mislead the courts and he once again describes it as a hunt, rigged and scam. and what's important is the president is attempting to use this as evidence for a long-held republican argument that the basis of the application to the fisa court to get the ability for the justice department to conduct surveillance on carter page was based on this dossier,
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which was a collection of information from various sources on president trump and his potential ties to the russian government. and the president views that dossier as phony and he believes that it was, you know, a compiled erroneously and therefore shouldn't be the basis of any document, much less an application with this high level of importance. but it's important to point out that the fbi was interested in carter page long before the dossier was of interest and before they knew about the dossier. they began their investigation into carter page before that. but it is true that the dossier did play a role in the fisa application process. we should point out there are prominent republicans, including marco rubio who was on "state of the union" today who say his review of the documents was that the justice department did everything they were supposed to do, they followed the law, presented their application to a judge and the judge granted the warrant. this runs in complete
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contradiction to what the president is saying this morning and what some republicans in the house of representatives are saying. the other point we'll make is when it comes to this fisa law, there's been a lot of criticism of the fisa law and it makes it too easy for the government to conduct surveillance on average americans but there have been multiple opportunities for congress to reign it in, make it tougher, as late as january of this year, the republicans in congress had an opportunity to change the fisa law or do away with it completely, and they instead chose to renew it. and it was the president of the united states, donald trump, who's so critical of the process who signed it into law. right now with me, dave jacobson, john thomas, and also joining me, sean woo. good to see you all.
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let me begin with you, from what you have read and seen, does it appear that surveillance of carter page seemed warranted? >> it does but it is heavily redacted as is normal in these circumstances. very few fisa warrants are turned down given how much are asked for. the reason for that is because so much detail goes into them. so it's obvious how much detail went in to support the request. it's hard to understand how the president is able to dy certain that the detail missing doesn't support the request. >> but what isn't redacted, what is there, helps support the merit of surveillance for him? >> very much so. the accusation made by the fbi is so specific. they claim they believe he is collaborating actively with the russians. that's a very damning accusation. >> marco rubio was on state of
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the union and here's what he had to say. >> by the trump campaign's admission carter page was not a big player in their campaign. i don't believe them looking into carter page means they were spying on the campaign. i think carter page is one of these guys -- we never would have heard of him before all this. he was a guy on their screen even before the campaign. and when he comes into the kind of near orbit of the campaign they get interested when they put that together with what's happening with russian interference. >> so will it take an indictment, and perhaps a trial of carter page, in your view, to find out whether he conspired, collaborated with the russians in any way, shape or form? >> potentially i think it's a bob mueller question. you have marco rubio especially defending the fbi's investigation or request for the warrant to wiretap carter page and then you have the president's tweet today which is
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the precise opposite. while i agreed fill system of law cli with him, i thought marco rubio looked like a true patriot today, he was standing up to the president and telling truth to the people. let's not forget it's important to point out the entire fbi investigation into russian interference in our election was started by george papadopoulos, it was not by carter page, right? that was only the second tier of that overall investigation. so i think it's an important element to include in the conversation. so the judges who signed off on the fisa applications, were appointed by republican presidents. these complaints of political partisanship, are they undermined by the process that was played out and by whom it was executed. >> one thing we learned in this era of trump politics is that party politics does not necessarily dictate people's
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aleejss, look at james comey, who was a republican, is now urging everyone to vote democrat. i think what's interesting ant these documents is how easy it is to get surveillance on an american citizen. yes, it was voluminous in what they wrote, but there were key facts left out. the steele dossier, although they say -- what do you mean it was left out? you mean portions were redacted so the public cannot see. it takes quite a bit, does it not, for the judges to even consider these applications? >> you do need that detail. it's very hard to discern what they did not put in there, but given the conclusions that the fbi made, it's really -- the obvious assumptions we can draw from that is it was damming, detailed evidence. >> i didn't see in the
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documents, maybe it was redacted, i didn't see that they said that the steele dossier was paid for the by the clinton campaign. >> we know that was revealed. we know that information was revealed, actually, to the judges. >> okay. carter page also said that the documents claim that he met with two members related to the kremlin, that carter page swears he's never met with, never spoken with of any kind. look, time will tell but here's what i can tell you, if it was a slam dunk case that carter page was colluding with the russians to include with the trump campaign, you would think at this point bob mueller would be having carter page sharing a jail cell with paul manafort, but he remains a free man today and they surveilled him and found nothing. >> right. except it had been reported, though, that he had been on radar for a while because of so
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many interactions with a variety of players, not all of it spelled out in these 400 pages. but that kind of raised the flag as to why investigators were looking at him. so shan, these warrants have never been released before, is that worrying you? >> it's an extraordinary release of information, it's never been done before, and even though it's redacted, i think it causes concern that if the justice department is feeling so much pressure they're having to release it up. trump declassified it. i don't know if it'll affect future warrant applications, except in this sense, the redactions still seem protective of the sources, which is really important to do. trump obviously has it within his power if he feels that more detail would be helpful, he could order them to redact less.
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if you get to that point where sensitive sources are being revealed, that could pose a problem in the future for the applications. >> so, dave, these documents or at least the release of what we've all been, you know, looking over, pouring over in any way does it cast doubt on congressman devin nunes' house intel memo? >> i think it does. the whole basis for that was the dossier, which was disingenuous and it was politically motivated. i think what we found in the fisa documents was they actually say that some of the research they obtained was from a source that had a motive to discredit donald trump. they didn't say it was steele or the dossier but they said the documentation obviously was provided from perhaps a political adversary of the president, right. so i think that's an important note to point out. bottom line, if you look at carter page's interview today, it reeks of hypocrisy.
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the fact of the matter is he went on television with jake tapper today and said he wasn't an adviser to the kremlin, when, in fact, time magazine reported on a letter carter page put out in 2014 where he says he was an adviser to the kremlin. so i think -- >> an informal adviser, in fact. >> informal. >> precisely. >> but he acknowledged. >> fred, the challenge we have here is we shouldn't be needing to look at how the government obtains fisa warrants but we have to. and we have to because people like lisa page and peter strzok and james comey have ruined their credibility and shown they have a bias against this president. so now we have to unpack the entire process to make sure that it was done fairly and properly. and that's a shame. >> all right. we'll leave it there, john thomas, dave jacobson, shan woo. appreciated. from helsinki to the hot
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and get a second pair of qualifying lenses free. essilor. better sight. better life. it was a rather awkward moment for the trump administration when the director of national intelligence, dan coats appeared to be surprised when he learned that president trump had invited vladimir putin for a visit in the fall. well, now, coats is apologizing for that moment saying in a
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statement some press coverage has mischaracterized my intentions in responding to breaking news presented to me during a live interview, my admittedly awkward response was in no way meant to be disrespectful or criticize the actions of the president. so where does that leave the relationship between the president and his intelligence chief. i want to bring in david miller, a global affairs analyst and served several presidents as an adviser at the u.s. state department. good to see you. what do you read into that kind of apology apologizing for an awkward moment? >> i mean, i think dni coats is trying to navigate an impossible situation. you know, in trump-land it seems to me you either suck up or make sure you clarify any negative criticism of the president or you stand up. and if, in fact, you stand up for too long, see h.r. mcmaster
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or rex tillerson, you don't last very long. i think dni coates is in an impossible situation. he's the highest ranking intelligence officer in the community and i think he's caught between trying to defend the interests of the republican on one hand, by validating the fact that the russians have consistently interfered, assaulted our political system and the elections, and frankly, maintaining his job in the trump administration. presumably he believes that it's worth staying in order to defend the interest of the republic. i think this was inevitable because the white house, fred, made it very clear, certainly to the "new york times," that they were very unhappy with coats' remarks in aspen. >> so many people have described dan coats as being a real patriot and his tenure in public
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service etch plus fies his allegiance to the intelligence community. senator marco rubio had thoughts this morning saying a lack of experience led to some of the president's stumbles this week. listen to his point of view. >> because he's not a political creature, he doesn't realize that some of these things he does, how it would be portrayed by our allies or others. our allies in europe wanted him to meet with putin. i'm not sure they wanted him to say some of the things he said, but they wanted him to meet with him. >> do you chalk this up to lack of experience, whether it's how he dealt with things in helsinki, with vladimir putin, or how behind closed doors, he's unhappy with the way in which coats may have publically reacted to news? i mean, how do you assess all of this? >> you know, marco rubio is a smart guy, but i think frankly
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he's being very caral in this case. yes, there is a lack of experience on the part of donald trump. let's assume he's a politician, he's not a foreign policy expert. but what's going on between mr. trump and mr. putin goes beyond lack of experience. you have a situation, possibly first in modern history of this country, where the president of the united states cannot define the american national interests untethered from his own interests, views, likes, dislikes, and in the case of his relationship with vladimir putin, inexplicable nowhere is that more on display. and the summit to me suggests that either mr. trump has a real affinity for authoritarian leaders over our democratic allies or alternatively that there is leverage that mr. putin has, and no evidence to suggest
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that. but i'm not sure what else explains this extraordinary relationship between mr. putin and the president. >> and for how long is it acceptable not to hear the president of the united states explain the content of a conversation that took place in the amount of two hours, two and a half hours with this adversary. >> i think in terms of those sorts of conversations, i -- there are so many conversations between american presidents and foreign leaders during the 25 years i spent working at the state department. the details of which have never been revealed, but the fact is -- >> do you allow the adversary, the other side to say -- >> no. >> -- yeah, there were promises made, agreements made, but you don't hear it from the president of your country? >> no, that's the whole point, fred. the reality is what are we five, six days in the wake of helsinki, there's been no effort to create a coherent narrative or brief anybody. i'm not sure mike pompeo knows
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and putin i'm sure recorded the conversation and perhaps the president left strict instructions we could have recorded that conversation but i suspect we didn't. so, no, this is virtually unprecedented. let me add, i worked for republicans and democrats, i voted for republicans and democrats. this is not a partisan comment. this is a betrayal of american value and interests and it continues. and that's i think the real problem and challenge we face. >> david miller, thank you so much. >> thank you, fred. he once led donald trump's presidential campaign now he's fighting to stay out of prison. we'll break down paul manafort's upcoming week in court next. jean woke up with knee pain. but she's got work to do. so she took aleve. if she'd taken another pain reliever, she'd be stopping for more pills by now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. with tough food, your dentures may slip and fall.
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the first trial in the special counsel's russia probe is set to start this week. prosecutors will present their case against president trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort. manafort is facing chashrges of money laundering, tax fraud and other crimes, these stemming from the investigation by robert mueller. in total, manafort faces 25 criminal charges in two separate cases in virginia and washington d.c. for more on what we can expect in court this week, legal analyst shan woo. so you served on the legal team. prosecutors have laid out nearly
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500 pieces of evidence they plan to present against paul manafort. take us behind the scene of how mueller might operate in this case. >> anything i say is not based on any confidential information i gained as a member of the team. i think this will be a fascinating trial. it's the first one to go. and i think the prosecution is going to face a couple of challenges. the first is going to be, this is going to be very technical evidence. they have a lot of it in terms of financial records and such. it's always a little bit hard to make sure the jury follows all that and frankly stays awake during that. that's one challenge. i think the second one is a challenge for the defense team which is manafort is not going to come across as a sympathetic character. comes across as a rich fellow. so their challenge is to humanize him. and then the last thing is
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really the unusual number of immunized witnesses that mueller is seeking to have immunized, that means they'll be free from any potential criminal charges against them. that presents challenges from both sides. >> whether it's the journey of the trial or perhaps the outcome, all of it could really make a huge impact on the ongoing mueller investigation to what degree? what do you anticipate? >> i think it's a very high stakes trial for manafort because he faces a second one, too. it's high stakes for mueller's team. they need to win this first one coming out of the box. and the use of the immunized witnesses, i think, shows how important the trial is to grand or at least to seek immunity to that many witnesses puts them on the hot spot, they're not holding anything back. and with juries sometimes they don't like immunized witnesses
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they feel these folks can say whatever they want and no consequences. but it's important for mueller's team to win this one. >> shan wu, thank you very much. >> thank you, fred. what could be a heated gub naor the ral race in georgia. what it could say about politics for the rest of the country. the white house is weighing in. we'll get some perspective coming up. and your ancestor was a fisherman. with blue eyes. just like you. begin your journey at
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welcome back. president trump jumped into the governor's race in georgia this week with an unexpected endorsement. tweeting, brian kemp, who is running for governor of georgia and has my full endorsement is campaigning tonight with the vice president. brian is very strong on crime and borders, loves our military vets, the second amendment, he will be a great governor. trump's endorsement caught the current republican governor offguard. he had already endorsed kemp's opponent, who is currently now the lieutenant governor. joining me is greg bluestein. this is interesting, there has been this moment of, i guess, surprise and potential fallout but it could be influential. >> this is like a bombshell going off in this race.
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trump remains popular among the conservatives, so his wading into the race this late and mike pence coming over the weekend could be a game changer for brian kemp's campaign, he has been the underdog and now he is the front runner. >> is this about who is the most conservative? who is most moderate? who could potentially, i guess, lead the way or cement the president's support? >> yeah this has been a race to the right from the get-go with both candidates planning to expand gun rights, increase abortion laws. so both of them jumped on the trump train to begin with but now brian kemp has trump's endorsement which is a hard thing for casey cagle to stomach. >> right. to understand where this is coming from and why, how
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perplexing is that for the electora electorate? >> this is such a late event in this campaign that brian kemp is doing everything he can to get the news out. he filmed a new ad just highlighting president trump's tweet. and casey is out there reminding that before president trump got out there he had governor deal's endorsement, who is also popular in georgia. >> these ads, this is a unique setting. there have been some quirky ads and mind blowing ones, and a couple controversial once. including this one where the candidate kemp points a shotgun at a teen, a boy who wants to date his daughter, take a listen. >> two things if you're going to date one of my daughters, respect and a healthy appreciation -- >> for the second amendment, sir. >> we're going to get along just fine. >> brian kemp for governor.
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>> okay. so what's been the reception of that ad? >> certainly a provocative ad and the kemp campaign believes that is one of the factors that got them into the runoff in the first place. it got national attention and a lot of grass roots support for people in georgia who want to see the second amendment expanded. they don't feel the current governor has done enough for them. >> haven't the two been on the same team? secretary of state kemp and lieutenant governor of georgia, now they're opponents. how do they distinguish themselves? have they ever come across on being on the same team. >> they have offices across the hall from each other at the capital. they have been on the same page a loft these issues. it's interesting because brian kemp is casting himself as the outside. and casey cagel as the career
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politician. so you're seeing a battle between the main stream elements in the republican party backing cagele and the outliers backing kemp. >> whoever win this is runoff on tuesday it then is potentially consequential and history making race for governor in this state because either one will be going up against the democratic primary winner stacy adams. >> stacy abrams won back in may and had a convincing defeat of her rival. she would be the nation's first black elected governor if she wins. instead of taking a centrist attitu attitude, she is gunning for left leaning voters with gun control, taxes and justice that other democrats haven't taken in georgia. >> that was already history making for stacy abrams and
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all right. this week a piece of civil rights history is going to go on the auction block. a house where the mother of the civil rights movement rosa parks
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lived. the small wooden home is where she, her husband and her brother and her brother's wife and 13 children lived together. park parks receive sod many death threats after of the famous refusal in 1955 to give up her seat on the montgomery, alabama, bus that she and her husband went to seek refuge in her brother's house, this one n detroit. rosa parks tied in 2005, and eventually her home fell into disrepair and was almost demolished in detroit, and that is when parks' niece ria purchased it. but then a new journey began involving that house. it is an extraordinary story. joining us are rosa parks' niece, and arlen edinger, the president of the auction house. thank you both.
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>> thank you. >> thank you. >> and an action is going on to be taking place this week, and quite extraordinary and ria if you could explain to us how this is quite a journey after being the safe refuge for your aunt rosa parks where she moved and when you made this purchase i understand for what, $500, then came a new odyssey of where that home would end up. it would end up in germany and explain how all of that would happen. >> well sh, this has been an emotional ride of course, but we once it was over in germany, i felt that the home was safe finally, and for the family that was what we wanted. that is the first step, and the second step was mr. mendoza who had worked so hard on the home himself. and he would go out in the winter time and put up things and send me video, and the
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second step of course was going and traveling to germany and seeing the restored work of art myself. i cannot tell you because i felt like all of the air was sucked out of me. >> and because it was in germany and your good friend who is an artist to make it happen there in germany, it was a tourist site, and people would come from all walks to see the home of rosa parks. >> yes. >> and at what point was a decision made that it would go from germany to now brown university would get involved and in rhode island and this house would be taken apart and again, it would have another sojourn. >> oh, that is isquestion. brown was selected from a choice of several people, several locations where the house could have been displayed at. brown was chosen because they
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seemed like they were trying to make reparations for their terrible history with slavery. i had yett how far slavery wen in this country. brown's rejection of this was a slap across my face. >> and now it is going to be put up for auction and this has to be really personal for you. and this decision to now let go of your physical reminder of your aunt who is also a national treasure and the sack ru fis that she made and the mother of the modern day civil rights movement. >> yes. >> tell me about this decision to say that you are will ting t let it go and be auctioned. >> well, as a part of the macauley family, we understood
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and i had yet to learn how loved she is around the world, and to rosa's greatly loved. we have been, i want to say, trained to realize that i don't own auntie rosa, and she is not that small, and because she is loved around the world, we understand greatly ta that sometimes you have to be able to lett her go. you know, let her go, because the people need to understand the impact that she had on the history of the world and how people, excuse me, how people view her. >> yes. >> so that has been hard. i can just tell you, i don't know the malcolm x or the dr. king children personally, but they have had to go through similar and like experiences that our family has.
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>> we can feel just how personal, you know, this is for you, and so, a arlen, knyou kno knowing this personal attachment to the house, and, you know, this history with someone who made such an incredible sacrifice who at the time she just said, you know, i was tired, and she was not looking at it in terms of how giant this move would become. >> yes. >> what is it, and how do you put a dollar figure, and how do you put value on this representation of this extraordinary woman for this the auction this week? >> it is very -- >> i am sorry. >> go, mr. arlen. >> sorry, sir. >> and so it is very difficult to determine what something would sell for when it is as historic as this, but two years ago, gurnsy was successful to see that the entire estate of
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rosa parks was sold and then e donate nod the library of congress. the auction that we have coming up is focusing on the african-american history and culture, and the addition of rosa parks home has many extraordinary items are relating to dr. martin luther king, malcolm x and the contract si signed by joe jackson to put his children, the jackson five and michael jackson into the recording world. so, you know, it is an action, and we believe that good things are going to happen. this home is going to find the proper place where it can inspire f inspire few chur generations a as the memory of ms. parks does. and we have in this a simple one-page document that the ms. ro rosa parks wrote days after she met dr. martin luther king for the very first time and hearing him speak she wrote,
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today i met a man i will never forget and it is only then months later that she refused to give up her seat of the bus, and that coming tot on this one piece of paper that we have has to be one of the most extraordinary documents that i am aware of relating to the nation's history. >> and she is obviously a woman that we will never forget, and are forever grateful for what she did and how she did it. ms. rhea macauley and mr. geurensy, it is estimated between $1 and $3 million? >> who knows. it is an auction and difficult to predict. >> so much more ahead in the newsroom right after this. t's se ♪ but it's all coming back me. ♪ baby, baby, baby.
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