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devoted their lives to public service, whether you like them or not, suddenly donald trump says well, i don't like what you're saying, so you have no clearance. >> mark and aaron david miller, hang tight with me for a second. we have james clapper on the line. he's a national security analyst and former director of national intelligence. mr. clapper, you are apparently now on a list according to the white house. they would like to revoke your security clearance. how do you feel about that? >> well, it's interesting news. i'm reading it and learning about it just as you are. i think it's off the top of my head a sad commentary. for political reasons this is a petty way of retribution, i suppose for speaking out against the president which i think on the part of all of us, are borne
out of genuine concerns about president trump. >> sarah huckabee sanders, one of the words she used, she referred to you all as politicizing and that you've monetized, essentially, your security clearance by you along with a number of other folks on the screen come on tv, paid contributor, with the security clearance to say how you feel about the president, and they don't like it, apparently. >> well, the security clearance has nothing to do with how i or any of us feel about the president. and i don't get the briefings. i don't have access to classified information. it's frankly more of a courtesy that former senior officials get the security clearance. haven't had a case of using it. has no bearing on my regard or
lack thereof for president trump or what he's doing. >> do you think this is entirely political? that this is retaliation from the white house? how would you character rise this move? >> well, i don't know how you mark charkti characterize it any other way. i have not been presented with any other rules about protection of class classified information. this is news for us just like for you. >> james clapper, what would you say to the president of the united states? >> well, i don't know what to say. >> think about it. he watches a lot of tv. >> i think this is just a very, very petty thing to do. and that's about all i'll say about it. >> petty? what about -- let's play this forward. you're the intel expert. what is the threshold?
what is the process even in revoking one's security clearance? can you just walk me through that? >> well, typically there would be a formal notification, not by this means, that clearance is being suspended, for example. you're under investigation because of allegations because of something that would merit revocation or at least suspension. there is a formal process for doing this, but i guess legally the president has that progre prerogati prerogative. he can suspend or revoke clearances as he sees fit, and if he chooses to do it for political reasons, well, that's -- i think that's a terrible precedent and a sad commentary. and it's an abuse of the system. >> james clapper, thank you for
calling in. i appreciate you weighing in now that you are learning the use as we all are that you're apparently on this new list from the white house of folks whose security clearance the white house would like to revoke. i was talking to mark. listening to james clapper saying how could it be anything other than political. if the president wants to do it, he's the boss. mark? >> he can make the decisions he wants. if you take these two things separately, monetizing and politici politicizing, if the threshold was you can't make money of your clearance, a lot of people would have lost their clearance a long time ago. people leave with a clearance and become consultants. they get jobs. that's par for the course. good or bad in washington. making money on your clearance is not new. that gets you to the political issue. director clapper said he seemed to clearly target the people who
had been critics of his publicly, his political critics. there are no doubt others with top secret clearances, high clearances who retired from the cia, pentagon, et cetera, who have been supporters of the president who are not on the list and maybe never will be. >> but to dana's point off the top about michael flynn, i mean, that's a perfect example of someone who served under the obama administration. was also working through all those rallies, the lock her up chants, and he never had his security clearance revoked. so how would this be fair? >> yeah. right. i mean, he became the national security adviser and now he has problems of his own where he's awaiting sentencing by the mueller investigation. so clearly there is a double standard here if, in fact, it was politicizing, acting in a political way going after political opponents with a clearance.
that certainly wouldn't hold true in the flynn case and other cases. >> okay. i want to move onto trump and iran and north korea and putin. aaron david miller, do you want to add anything on clearances? >> you know, i would only say repeating something you said earlier. this is just another example of the president's inability to find an american national interest and separate out individuals who have served this republic loyally, worked as i have. it's not going to stop them from criticizing the president's lack of judgment. and i think in the end it will come back to haunt the president. you're going to end up merely adding to the luster of these distinguished civil servants. and access to security is highly overrated. it's not going to silence them. it's going to be revealed for what it is, a petty vendetta. >> stand by. i want to get to this moments ago. >> following up on the question.
the question spoke out against iran and north korea. he has said he'll speak is out against any threat against the united states. russian interference is a threat to our democracy. why will he not forcefully denounce that? >> the president has been tough on russia. he's brought it up directly to him in person. every single time they have met, he has put unprecedented sanctions and been extremely tough on russia across a number of fronts which we addressed here. many times before. frankly, i'm not sure why that is so hard for the media to write about. we've repeated it time and time again. the policy that the president has been since day one in office has been extremely tough on russia, probably more so than with any other country. >> for that let's go to our
senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny standing by. >> reporter: many people believe it's a do over in a sense to try to repeat some of the things that he didn't do in helsinki. and stand up to him. the one reason for there being confusion and sarah huckabee sanders sort of saying why can't you write about this? the president has sewn this confusion himself repeatedly. last week accepting the word of the intelligence agency after he didn't in helsinki. we stood in helsinki watching the president saying he believed vladimir putin more. then he corrected it at the white house. over the weekend again saying it's a hoax. so i think the reason for the confusion is the president's failure to sort of be strategic and have a straight line. i think one of the interesting things during the briefing was the end. when she was asked if the president has briefed his top security officials about that one on one meeting, and she
didn't specifically answer if he remembers everything from the meeting or if notes were taken in the meeting. she sidestepped the question from our kate lynn collins. that remains the biggest question of all. the summit only a week ago in helsinki. we don't know exactly what happened in the one on one discussion between the presidents. and sarah huckabee sanders didn't clean that up. >> which is insane. you know, that his own state, pentagon seems like there was some sort of military policy worked on in the russian side. notes were taken. on the u.s. side, nothing. jeff, thank you. i want to bring my panel back in. and dana, to you, just again it's almost like you think of the arc of the week that was. you go back to last week from -- it was just one week ago when we were all watching them stand in helsinki and the arc of the week, the would, wouldn't, the no, the yes, i do stand by my
intel chiefs to now it's a hoax to sarah huckabee sanders saying no, no, no, the hoax or the witch hunt is only pertaining to the campaign collusion piece. i mean, did you follow? >> yeah. and it's not an accident. we anybody who falls into the crap of thinking that what the president, the white house are doing is disorganization and chaos is missing the point, and i think we all have lived with it and recognize it that they are saying sort of different things at different times, and they're doing it to say it to different constituencies. when the president sends out the tweet witch hunt, he might not be talking about the investigation of whether russia interfered in american elections. he might be talking act collusion. he also might not be. if you're a trump supporter and see that tweet, you know, you
are bound to say okay, well, that means the mueller investigation is wrong, and any discussion about russia interfering or aggressively trying to change the outcome of elections in 2016 and this year, don't know what they're talking about in fact it about, it's intentional. what the president is doing with that, sending out confusion for a purpose and, of course, what we heard in this briefing, you know, trying to lay the blame at the feet of his adversaries, this is all very, very intentional. and we shouldn't lose sight of that. i know you haven't, but i think it's important to say that if everybody is dizy and trying to follow the bouncing ball, that's their point. >> yore ygloria? >> the president wants to silence his critics, period.
and maybe he thinks this is a way to do it. maybe he can say well, they don't know what they're talking about if they don't have clearance anymore. but it's just petty, small authoritarian, and i would argue counterproductive to the gathering of intelligence in this country. and mark knows more about this than i do. i think people in and out of the intelligence community have always been pretty good about talking to each other about how to read tea leaves. and you're disarming them, because you say they don't like you. i just think the precedent is sort of stunning and petty, small, and doesn't speak well for a president of the united states who is supposed to be able to handle his critics, because when you become president you inevitably have them. >> not that i'm trying to follow the bouncing ball.
to use the analogy. >> we have to try. >> i am trying every day. i know we're all going cross eyed a bit. if you think of, and one of the questions asked, aaron david miller, to you, you watch how the president speaks about and to north korea. it's tough depending on the time of year-ish. obviously tough in all caps on iran, and yet, again, you look at how he treats putin, it makes no sense. >> it doesn't unless you're prepared to accept the possibility that there's something much darker going on here, and as gloria pointed out, there's no empirical evidence to suggest that's the case. >> you mean he would be compromised by russia? >> right, but inductively, you have to continue to probe and ask yourself the question why is the president behaving this way? one of the administration's favorite talking points, this is the toughest administration on
russia, and to a large degree, they've done some very tough things. supplying military equipment to ukraine. imposing sanctions, but on the one issue, brook, the key russian transgression, the assault against our democratic process, our elections, and least involvement in 20 other elections including in europe that the russians are interfering in, where's the toughness? where's the white house task force designed to show the daily presidential leadership. on that transgression, you get nothing. that leads to great suspicion on what is driving the president's consistent willingness to forgive and not challenge vladimir putin. >> on the notion -- quickly, go ahead. >> it ties into the attacks on
the mueller investigation. that the investigation that began with the fbi in the july of 2016 was poisoned from the beginning because it was political. and so that's been the attacks on mueller and the fbi. it's also why he has shown himself willing to give a pass to putin on the election attacks. these are kind of all two sides of the same issue. >> and we have news with regard to the paul manafort case. let's go outside the courthouse. we know the manafort team wanted this delay. they got new documentation they wanted to review. what did the judge decide? >> reporter: yeah. that's exactly right. the judge has delayed the start of this trial to july 31st. just about a week or so. the defense attorneys, manafort's attorneys came into court this morning and argued they needed more time to review documents, specifically documents related to the former partner of paul manafort, rick gates. as we know rick gates is now cooperating with the special
counsel team. it appears that the manafort team got the new documents just recently and they had asked a judge for more time. we're told that perhaps that these documents were sitting in another attorney's office and that's how the manafort team came into contact with us and now that they have it, they need more time to review it. they said there was good reason on both sides to delay the start of the trial. the judge was hoping to get jury selection underway on wednesday. when you think about this from the time this arrest happened to now, just the speed at which the judge wanted to get this trial going was pretty remarkable. this judge is known as someone who wants to move things along. they call it the rocket docket. now there's a delay. this will give the attorneys for paul manafort more time to review the evidence that they have now in their hands as it
relates to hick gate -- rick gates. we're waiting for the names of some 30 witnesses the prosecution says they're going to call to the stand. five of the witnesses are mystery witnesses who were just granted immunity by the judge today. their names along with the other witnesses are expected to be released sometime today. and hopefully we'll have that for you later. >> okay. speaking of evidence, thank you very much. we have some news just into us here that prosecutors investigating michael cohen are now revealing the fbi found 12 audio recordings during their raid on his apartment, office, and hotel room. 12. those new details next. crabfest is back at red lobster! discover our largest variety of crab and crab dishes all year!
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we are back with breaking news. we know there were 12 audio tapes seized on the raid on michael cohen. this is according to special master overseeing the entire case. 12? >> what we're learning is there is a new filing in the michael cohen criminal investigation. prosecutors that are investigating michael cohen have received 12 audio files that were previously marked as privileged. what we know is that the parties involved agreed that they didn't need them to be privileged anymore. that's why the special master overseeing this allowed those 12 audio files to be released to
the government. we don't know who the parties are that are involved. to make the assumption right now they're necessarily related to trump would be a mistake. we don't actually know what is on the recording. again, all we know is that these 12 audio recordings used to be marked privileged and then they no longer were. that's why the government could have access. obviously all of this is fascinating. what we reported on friday is that the audio recording, the conversation between michael cohen and donald trump, that was a recording that was previously marked as privilege. and as rudy giuliani con officialed to tfirmed to the press, they decided it no longer needed to be privileged. that's why the recording the conversation had with donald trump, that was reported on. so, again, we don't know what's on these 12 audio files at this moment in time. very interesting development in this case. >> talk to me while i have you about your other reporting. there was a run in between
michael cohen and stormy daniels' attorney michael avenatti. >> this is what happens when two michaels walk into a restaurant. we know that last week michael cohen was dining at a restaurant on the upper east side with his son and somebody else. in walks michael avenatti. this is stormy daniels' lawyer. >> small town, new york city and all. >> exactly. and michael cohen was having dessert. avenatti walked up to cohen at his table and i'm told by a source briefed on the exchange he essentially said to michael cohen we should resolve our issues and work together. the implication being we should work together against trump. michael cohen was taken aback and essentially said to michael avenatti, you need to talk to my mothers. avenatti has previously commented on the exchange. he described it as an honest and frank discussion. it was lengthy and he found it
to be extremely productive and he thinks this is going to be an important sort of meeting. if you look at sort of the development of this case, he says this would have been an important meeting. you know, i think this would be a shocking partnership if it happened. i think it is unlikely. still, noteworthy that michael avenatti is interested in working with michael cohen. >> cohen says talk to my lawyers? >> right. >> the white house this hour, they are saying that they are thinking about revoking the security clearances for six former intelligence chiefs. how the intel community is responding to this news, and that russian woman accused of being a spy apparently had meetings with more government officials than previously known. we have details on her next. al', we carry flowers that signify why we want to end the disease. and we walk so that one day, there will be a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor. join the fight at alz.org/walk. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient
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we let you keep an eye on your business from anywhere. the others? nope! get internet on our gig-speed network and add voice and tv for $34.90 more per month. call or go online today. we're back. quite the bomb shell moments ago at the white house. sarah huckabee sanders says president trump may revoke the security clearances of a number of former top national security officials. >> not only is the president looking to take away brennan's security clearance. he's also looking into the clearances of comey, clapper, hayden, rice, and mccabe. the president is exploring the mechanisms to remove security clearance because they mr. president sized and in some cases monetized on their
security clearance making baseless accusations or being influenced against the president is inappropriate. the fact that people with security clearances are making baseless charges provides illegitimacy. >> i talked to james clapper moments after the announcement. >> i think it's off the top of my head, a sad commentary. where for political reasons this is a petty way of retribution, i suppose for speaking out against the president which i think are on the part of all of us, born out of genuine concerns about president trump. >> former cia operative is with me. lindsey, let me footnote one of the names on that list before we chat from sarah huckabee sanders
andr andrew mccabe. the spokeswoman tweeted andrew mccabe's security clearance was deactivated when he was terminated according to what we were told was fbi policy. you would think the white house would check with the fbi before trying to throw shiny objects. just wanted to add that in. your reaction to all of this? >> this is not particularly surprising. i mean, this kind of petty and personal vendetta out of the theater of trump really doesn't surprise me. at the end of the day to a certain extent one security clearance as a former intel officer is your ticket to ride in washington. but i think at this level all of these men and susan rice included, really are going to be able to continue professionally. there's no reason to yank any of their security -- your security clearance is tied to what risk you pose to handle classified information. being critical of the president
or the administration is certainly not grounds for revoking one's security clearance. with regard to mccabe's security clearance already having been revoked, i mean, i can say this is both ironic and again not surprising. this is an administration that has shown zero understanding of security clearances in general. and many members of the administration have either completely ignored or willfully not adhered to common protocol in maintaining your security clearance. >> let me remind everyone, john brennan at the top of the list, former cia director, it was rand paul who wanted to revoke his security clearance which then perhaps start third down conversation at the white house. he tweeted just after that putin summit in helsinki. he said donald trump's press conference performance in helsinki rises to and exceeds the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors. it was nothing short of
treasonous. he's in the pocket of putin. republican patriots, where are you? obviously he is outspoken as are a number of the other folks on the list. that said, if this is entirely, which it seems like political retribution. at the end of the day if the president wants to yank the security clearance, is it up to the president? >> i think at the end of the day he can probably do it. i mean, what i find kind of funny, though, is the number, i mean, at a certain point it's almost like when you've had five or six ex-boyfriends or girlfriends break up with you because they say you're unstable, you have to ask yourself is it you? at some point i would think that president trump might ask himself is it me when all of these seasoned career public servants are saying the exact same thing, is it me? >> lindsey, thank you. we have more breaking news out of the federal court where
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immunity who testify against him. outside that courthouse, who are they? >> reporter: that's right. these names the five names, let me say at the outset they appear to be people who are related to some of paul manafort's financial dealings, mortgages and accounting work. let me read the names. james brennan, donna dugen, connor o'brien, cindy laporta and dennis raico. these vngs were just granted immunity this morning. the judge signed off on this immunity and said he would release the names this afternoon. and just moments ago the court did that. the prosecutors from the special counsel's office were against that, were hoping the judge would not release the names. he went ahead and did so anyway. we've learned from the court just a short time ago the judge saying in terms of the jury, we
have a little bit on what the jury will look like. we expect it will be 16 people. the judge said he'll appoint four alternates. he'll bring in the jury pool tomorrow. they will get to answer a questionnaire. they will get to answer the questions. he also told the attorneys, the prosecutors and defense attorneys, that they cannot ask the juries who they voted for. so certainly a lot of decisions being made today in anticipation that the trial will now get started on july 31st. >> got it. thank you for that latest update. next here on cnn, sources tell us president trump is privately frustrated by the pace of negotiations with north korea. the white house denying that publicly, but we are learning new details about the demands north korea is making on the u.s. to even move forward. chicken?! chicken.
big demands from north korea today. if president trump expects to continue talks to denuclearization, pyongyang indicating the u.s. will need to take a bold move by guaranteeing the survival of kim jong-un's regime and begin lifting sanctions. this according to an official with close knowledge of north korea's position. publicly president trump maintaining all is well with this plan to denuclearize. he tweeted today a rocket has not been launched by north korea in nine months. likewise, no nuclear tests. japan is happy. all of asia is happy, and he is
very happy. but here's the but. sources tell cnn the behind closed doors the president is anything but. he's expressing frustration that the negotiations have dragged on. with me to discuss this, an expert on nuclear nonproliferation in north korea. welcome back. >> thank you for having me back. >> first on the demands, the whole can you guarantee my regime survival and, p.s., lift all sanctions? thoughts on that first from the north koreans. >> you know, they're playing hardball pushing these demands now more than ever because two reasons. first, they are more confident now more than they ever have been in the past with their technological advancements of their nuclear and missile front. they've gained the confidence to push their demands, and also president trump in singapore, he essentially agreed to the order in which these negotiations might proceed. if you remember the first three
points of the four-point statement, one is normalizing relations. the second is peace regime and the third is denuclearization. and so north korea's reaction recently since pompeo's last trip and now basically confirms that this is -- their age-old position of sequencing, they're sticking to that script. >> north koreans feeling bolder thanks to technology and president trump lifting them onto a world stage. what do you think about president trump being frustrated by the time line? i think he wants a snap of his fingers and denuclearization. >> right. president trump has finally been hit with reality of what it's like to negotiate with north korea. they have tricks and tactics, delay tactics, psychological war fair. they're playing hardball. they hardly ever negotiate in a business like manner where things progress along as we want them to proceed.
and so it will be a headache. they will frustrate american negotiators. but they will pushing their sequence and what they want first, their demands first up front. the danger here is that nuclear talks might be held hostage to peace talks. and that's where the trump administration's negotiators will have to be skillful and savvy. on some level they'll have to play this game the north is trying to push on some level. be careful. we might end up signing peace with north korea -- >> so among a multitude of items that are baffle, people out there following this white house closely and we saw the all caps, you know, threatening tweet toward iran. right? so my question is why do you think this american president is willing to accept vague promises
from north korea on nukes, denuclearization, but he scraps that actual tangible working global deal with iran on nukes? >> well, who really knows what goes on in the mind of president trump? we don't know when the patience runs out. that's my concern. i hope the administration or me opts for long-term containment and deterrence instead of revisiting military options but we see a disconnect of what the president wants and the permanent bureaucracy wants in the united states administration. an also, we don't know how president trump will flip on iran again. he played tough on north korea and met with kim jong-un so, you know, this can go any direction. it's -- president trump is more unpredictable and south koreans and the japanese, they're more worried about president trump than they are kim jong-un right now. >> that is precisely what i
heard in south korea last fall. duyeon kim, thank you so much. >> thank you. more on our breaking news ahead. the white house says it may revoke the clearance of six former chiefs. michael hayden tweeted, quote, i don't go back for classified briefings. won't have an affect on what i say or write. we are live in washington, next. ♪ ♪ our new, hot, fresh breakfast will get you the readiest. (buzzer sound) holiday inn express. be the readiest. ♪ (electronic dance music)♪
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about provoking tensions with teheran, the president has just responded. >> -- provoking with iran? >> not at all. >> three little words. that's what you get. not at all. not at all concerned on what he said or tweeted. i'm jake tapper will be all over this on "the lead" but this. when donald trump was first running for president, he made a lot of promises about how to roll back regulations on the coal and oil industries and made good on the promises as president. but what does that mean? on the ground in wild places like alaska. bill weir went in search of answers to that precise question. take a look. >> the coastal rim bears with life. birds that will migrate to the back yards of all 50 states. but as we see over the years,
the most common creature is the caribou and not just a few. but hundreds of thousands. the kind of herd unseen since the plains buffalo were wiped away and when he is here with his family, he can't help but wonder how long it will last. >> do we need to keep some of the places untouched? we are changing the world everywhere. so fast. but why not leave a few places unspoiled? >> reporter: for almost 60 years, that was the rationale that protected anwar from this. these are the oil fields of prudo bay that fill the pie line and power countless lives. but since there are billions of barrels elsewhere, nature lovers have long argued there's no need to drill here. and for decades that argument held. until -- >> one day a friend of mine in the oil business called, is it true that you have anwar in the -- i said, i don't know. who cares? what is that? he said, you know, reagan tried.
every single president tried. i said you got to be kidding. after that we fought. he talked me into it. >> bill weir was with me. tell me what this is about for you. >> this is about deciding what's worth more, some of the truly last wild places left on earth, kind of bio diversity going away at a staggering rate, or the kind of fuel that fills our cars or the kind of minerals in the devices and the cost benefit of both of those things. alaska was ground zero of this fight. drill baby drill. republicans dying to tap into anwar since reagan, really. the perfect storm of the congress and the president, he didn't know what it was until a call from the friend in the oil industry and small groups of tribes that share the profits, gung ho about it and then environmentalists, other tribes who say, no, no. it sets up this incredible
tension over this sort of thing and it's not just drilling. it's shrinking national parks. we saw that in utah to frack and mine and those sorts of things. just recent days there's been a flurry of activity trying to roll back the endangered species act which, you know, limits the extraction of minerals and drilling in certain lands and so it's like -- this president has set up a modern gold rush in alaska. no stranger to gold rushes in the past and been an argument over can we have both? protect and pull out the oil and stuff. >> the difference is -- >> the difference is that unprecedented rate. this is -- he is undoing with this epa, with this interior department, this congress, he is rolling back protections for wild places unlike anyone before him. >> we'll tune in. the first part of the series. you have a couple airing this
week. bill, make sure you watch tonight 7:00 eastern. thank you so much. >> thank you. and i'm brooke baldwin here in new york. thank you so much for being with me here today. let's take it to washington to my colleague jake tapper. "the lead" starts right now. good afternoon. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. again, unchartered territory. the president of the united states this afternoon threatening retaliation against officials from both the obama and bush administrations. why? for criticizing him. this afternoon, white house press secretary sarah sanders announcing bombshell news revealing that president trump is contemplating revoking the security clearance of former officials including former cia director john brennan, director of national intelligence, james