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good monday morning, everyone, i'm poppy harlow in new york. hoe hope you had a great weekend. we have a lot to get to this morning. a private firing gets even more public. the new recording from exwhite house aide and tv reality star omarosa, this one of the president with the united states and a conversation she had with him. she claims it was recorded one day after chief of staff john kelly ousted her. listen to this. >> omarosa what's going on? i just saw on the news that you're thinking about leaving. what happened? >> general kelly -- general kelly came to me sen said that you guys wanted me to leave. >> no, nobody even told me about it. nobody -- they run a big operation but i didn't know it.
i didn't know that. damn it, i don't love you leaving at all. >> already released the recording of the conversation she had with general kelly, part of the conversation in the situation room. that when it came out over the weekend sparked all sorts of questions and raised national security concerns and raised a lot more credibility questions. let's go to boris sanchez who joins us with more. boris, covering the white house and knowing the background sort of her tenure while she was serving in the white house and controversy that swirled after she left, walk us through what we're learning this morning. >> reporter: hey, good morning, poppy. this newly released audio from omarosa indicates that the president told her that he wasn't aware that she was fired by john kelly. omarosa now says that she did not believe the president when he told her that, that in subsequent conversations he ended up admitting that he delegated that task and directed
john kelly ultimately to dismiss her. though she still maintains that she believes president trump wasn't fully aware of everything that was happening in the white house at that time. here's more from omarosa on nbc this morning. listen. >> good morning, good to see you. >> good morning. >> glad to be back here at the "today" show. >> nice to see you. i should let you know i am recording this conversation. >> very good. what a coincidence. >> you brought us a new tape. the president the day after you were fired, we just heard it, he says he didn't know about it and doesn't like you leaving the white house. is he lying on that tape? >> i'm not certain but what's most concerning one why was i locked in the situation room almost two hours and why was i not allowed to leave -- i'll get to the second part and lastly when i asked to leave and asked for counsel and asked for my husband, why was i denied at least four times. when i spoke to him and he said had he no idea, that should be alarming to any american that the president of the united states does not know what's happening when an assistant to the president known him for 15 years. >> you brought the tape.
>> absolutely. >> reporter: they are very serious and startling questions about that recording made in the situation room, namely, was it legal. but there are also questions about why john kelly felt it was necessary to take omarosa into the situation room to fire her to begin with. let's play some of that sound now of the conversation between the chief of staff and former trump aide in the situation room at the white house. >> i'm only going to stay for a couple of minutes. these are lawyers. we're going to talk to you about leaving the white house. it's come to my attention over last few months that there's been some pretty in my opinion significant integrity issues related to you and use of government vehicles and some other issues. and they'll walk you through the legal aspects of this. about the there's some from my
view, money issues and other things but in my view the integrity issues are very serious. >> reporter: now, poppy, i've asked the white house about the integrity issues if they can clarify what john kelly was talking about. they have yet to respond. in a separate statement sarah sanders suggested this recording is a serious security breach and the deputy press secretary was just on fox news saying omarosa is a disgruntleed former employee with self-serving lies. >> now cnn political comment ator errol lewis and former counter terrorism official phil mud. >> can i ask you a question first? how crazy are all of these people? what is going on? goodness. >> there you go. >> answered jeffrey's question this morning. on the legal fronts here, first of all, did she break the law?
i mean, d.c. is one party consent. this is the situation room. there are national security questions. >> clearly she committed a firing offense while being fired so i don't think it counts. i don't think this is a legal issue. i think this is an insight into the administration and the kind of people who work there and how they treat each other, which is bonkers. >> walter shab, obviously the former ethics czar said on cnn there's some irony that she's being told she's being fired for misconduct while she's committing misconduct. >> yes. there's a certain kind of comedic aspect to it for sure. one thing i would say this is not without precedent. we haven't seen this in a long time but if you go back far enough, you'll find that the reason richard nixon was wiretapping and taping all of his conversations with everybody was he then as we know heard from omarosa had a white house where people were going to point the blame, they were going to
mischaracterize conversations at least that's what nixon thought and he wanted to make sure that decisions they arrived at that, that people were on the record saying they wanted this bombing or this strategy, especially in vietnam. he didn't want to be caught out there. that's why he did that. that mentality, that paranoid mentality appears to have carried over into the trump administration. it seems to be alive and at play where people don't trust each other to the point where they are making recordings. >> phil mud, sarah sanders says this is a national security concern, also the president's personal lawyer rudy giuliani echoed that this morning. let's listen to him. >> she certainly violating national security regulations but i think have the force of law. yeah, i would think she is. i have to look at it more carefully. is she violating every bit of trust that people should have in someone? i mean, donald trump made her. what kind of ingratitude is this? >> okay, aside from who made
whom here, the question about national security, is it a national security concern? you're supposed to put all of your devices in these lockers outside of the situation room before you go in, applies to everyone. clearly she had a phone or recording device, she wouldn't actually answer savannah's question, what did you record on. is there a national security concern here? >> i don't think there is. i remember walking into the situation room and my recollection as you just said you have lockers there and supposed to put your phone in there. look, there are questions in general kelly raised these in the tape we heard that omarosa recorded of her firing about integrity that i suspect went back months. i doubt she had significant access to national security issues. she clearly was regarded in the white house as someone who wasn't trust worthy. i think the great irony here is someone i think it was errol mentioning this, she seems to think this is a good idea to release but tress her case. the irony is she's being fired for integrity while she violates regulations in taping a
conversation about integrity. unbelievable. >> to that point, i mean, you saw also tweet and make that point, is it possible given what he noted, what phil noted that this sort of falls flat then and people say she's not credibility, doesn't have integrity. look what she di in this recording the situation room, we don't buy it -- >> she may not have integrity but that doesn't mean the tape themselves and recordings themselves or inaccurate or refl tri. there could be interesting stuff she's recorded. as we heard reported, there might be dozens or even hundreds of recordings. you don't know what you're going to catch and the date in particular could get really interesting. >> and this is an interesting parallel to what went on in 2016 with wikileaks. we know that it was illegal not just improper for someone to hack john podesta's e-mails and hack the dnc e-mails. there was unethical behavior in the creation of these e-mails
but once they were out there -- >> they are out there. >> we all started to look at the substance. if omarosa has tapes where people are saying interesting news worthy things, we're going to focus on what they say rather than her ethics in collecting them. >> another legal question for you, in this interview a few minutes ago on the "today" show this morning, omarosa claimed false imprisonment. let me read you the sentence, quote the moment i said i would like to leave and they said i can't go, it became false imprisonment. she's talking about her firing in the situation room. she was in there with general kelly with some lawyers. >> that's ridiculous. i mean, when you get fired, they sometimes tell you, gather your things and leave the building. you are physically under the control of the people who employ you, that is especially true at the white house where there are of course enormous national security concerns. so the idea that there is some tort against her in -- in the physical act of her firing, i
think is absurd. >> let me ask you about the nondisclosure agreement here, phil mudd that has been reported on. we saw the text of it on "meet the press" yesterday and omarosa claimed that some employees like sean spicer, she alleges, we don't know, were offered hush money to sign the nondisclosure agreements upon leaving the west wing. she said offered $15,000 and said she didn't sign it and can't buy her silence. if true, common practice and what about coupled with this cash that she alleges? >> i've heard of nondisclosure agreements before, i've signed them. i would be surprised if the nondisclosure agreement was coupled by an offer of cash. let me give you one perspective on this, you can sign all of the nondisclosure agreements you want, they are difficult to enforce. for one thing qul what she's saying is inappropriate versus illegal, i agree with jeff, it's
inappropriate but doesn't get close to being prosecutable. if you want to enforce, you're going to give him another 15 minutes of fame. she's going to disappear in a week or two. >> thank you, gentlemen very much. >> we'll be onto the next crisis -- >> phil mudd. >> it will be longer than a week or two. >> what a difference not just a week or two but a month makes, rudy giuliani changes his story in a very significant way. he's now saying that the president never talked about former national security adviser michael flynn with former fbi director james comey. this is a consequential discussion so why is the story changing? also, security gaps expose what we're learning in the days after that plane was stolen off the tarmac in seattle. and one year after clashes in charlottesville, white nationalists outnumbered by counter protesters this weekend. is change coming? we'll ask the woman set to break one big diversity barrier in congress. fidelity is redefining value for investors.
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now giuliani tells jake tapper, no, none of that, there was never a conversation about flynn between the president and -- between the president and comey. shimon joins me with more from washington. it was through the looking glass to listen to these changing explanations and narrative flipped on its head. >> we see this often with rudy giuliani, he changes his story from time to time depending on when he's interviewed and who he's interviewed by. why all of this is important, that's sort of what we need to keep in mind. this goes to the heart of robert mueller's obstruction investigation. as you said yesterday, giuliani simply says that there were no conversations about michael flynn. but here's what he said on july 8th to abc's george st stephanopoul stephanopoulos. >> what i said too him was -- >> he said he took it as direction. >> that's okay. taking it that way.
by that time he had been fired and said a lot of other things, some of which have turned out to be untrue. the reality is, as a prosecutor, i was told that many times. can you give the man a break? either by his lawyers or relatives or by friends. you take that into consideration. >> so poppy, yesterday rudy giuliani as you said taken a different position saying there was no conversation at all regarding michael flynn and here's what he told jake tapper. >> the president didn't say to him go easy on flynn or anything about flynn. he's saying that. i'm talking about their alternative. i'm saying the conversation never took place. but if it did take place and here's the conversation that's alleged, it is not illegal to have said that. >> really whether it's illegal or not, that is something that is at the central issue and it's central investigation into obstruction with robert mueller,
poppy. >> shimon, thank you for walking us through that. it is more than a little confusing. with me now back with me jeffrey toobin. look, i suppose rudy giuliani can say whatever he wants in all of these tv interviews and whether he's be truthful or not truthful and completely flipping the story. there's nothing illegal about that. but i mean, where do we go from here? what does it tell you whether the president will sit with mueller and if he does, he's going to say there was no conversation so it will be comey's word against the president's on that. >> i mean, rudy giuliani is correct that lawyers often make arguments in the alternative. it's like -- if i borrow your tea kettle you could say you never borrowed my tea kettle. it was broken when you borrowed it to me no it was after i returned it to you. lawyers can make these contradict tri alternative arguments and that's what giuliani is doing here, saying comey -- never said it to comey
but if he said it it was not inappropriate. he was making the same argument last week about collusion. he was saying there was no collusion. but even if there was collusion, it's not illegal. these alternative arguments often work well in court. they confuse ordinary people. >> but perhaps that's the strategy. >> i think he's giving the president's supporters a menu of arguments. >> to choose from. >> and you know, i think they will take them up on that. you know, his supporters -- you know, i think it's important to remember that giuliani sees this not as a narrow legal issue but as a political fight. and he is giving his side ammunition in the political fight. >> he has said as much. he said he's as much a strategist as he is being the president's lawyer. let's listen to something else from rudy giuliani regarding the rationale about this about face, what you were mentioning. here it is. >> the president says he never told comey that he should go
easy on flynn. comey says the president did. he put it in his memo. if he goes in and testifies to that under oath instead of just being a dispute, they can say it's perjury if they elect to believe comey inside of trump. >> so that's -- that can be seen in two ways, one another argument against the sit-down with mueller because he would call it a perjury trap. two, if the president does sit for the interview, it will be comey's word on this versus the president's word on this. comey has this contemporaneous memo, which a lot of legal minds say holds a lot of weight to have a contemporaneous memo. would it here? >> it would. especially if you look at the surrounding circumstances where there does appear to be the president being very concerned about the well being and future legal problems of general flynn. i still -- perjury trap, i think is not a useful phrase. no prosecutor is going to bring
a case simply because it's one person against the other. remember, there's not going to be any case at all because the president can't be indicted in any case. but it's not just that there are contradictory views that lead to a perjury prosecution, it is that there is an accumulation of evidence that one statement is true and one statement is false. it's not simply that another person sees it a different way. >> before you go, on the attorney general, jeff sessions the president -- nothing new he's attacking him but he went very far again this weekend. let me read you part of what president wrote. our ag is scared stiff and missing in action. he's talking -- it's a long tweet here but he's talking about the dossier, et cetera, deputy attorney genera bruce orr who will testify in congress a little bit later this month. when you couple that with earlier tweets a few weeks ago saying that sessions should end the investigation in the russian
probe. could any of this amount to an obstruction charge? >> not necessarily an obstruction charge but particularly the tweet a couple of weeks ago where he said sessions should end the investigation, that could certainly be evidence of the president's state of mind, that he has an intent to interfere, to obstruct, the mueller investigation. i think this latest tweet is just evidence of tdysfunction within the administration, that you have a president of united states trashing his own attorney general, i don't think that's a legal issue. i think that's a bizarre political issue. >> jeffrey, thank you on all of these counts this morning. next for us, how did this happen? how in the world was an airport worker able to steal a plane, a commercial airline and fly it from the seattle tacoma airport, according to a co-worker of the man who did just that, it's not all that difficult to do. we'll have a live report ahead. the first person to survive alzheimer's disease
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flip do you think? i think i'm going to try to do a barrel roll and if this goes good, i'm going to nose down and call it a night. >> our dann simon joins me from seattle with more. we'll get to this fascinating interview you did in a moment. first for anyone who missed the details of this over the weekend, walk us through what we know at this point? >> well, i can tell you that 29-year-old richard russell worked as a grounds person at the seattle airport for horizon airlines and just finished his shift when he got into a tow tractor. he was part of this tow team and pointed the aircraft in the right direction and then climbed in the cockpit, somehow fired up the engines, had a successful taxi and takeoff then flying around for a little more than an hour where he has this conversation if you will with air traffic control before finally crashing his plane into a small remote island. a sparsely populated island in
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you buy them. you can literally just run them on your pc or mac or whatever. also part of his job description on tow team was to operate some of the systems that were -- that he was trained to do by horizon air, which is part of the tow team and so essentially, he just took that knowledge and then built off of it. >> reporter: well, callen who is studying to be a pilot says there are a lot of instructional videos, youtube videos which will teach people how to start an airplane and perhaps that is how russian sell f russell figured out what to do. russell had access and got in the cockpit and flew that plane around, poppy. >> thank you for being there and bringing us that interview as well. ahead for us, she very well may make history, the first muslim woman in congress. with a nation so divided, what
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♪ lean on me. so this weekend a message intended to spark hate was overwhelmingly drown out at the nation's capitol. anty hate groups wildly outnumbered the two dozen white nationalists who gathered for the unite the right rally yesterday. the day marked one year since those clashes in charlottesville turned deadly claiming the lives of two virginia police officers and of course heather hayer. sarah sidner was at the rally yesterday and joins me now. you saw the opposition to come out in force yesterday to this. >> it's true, poppy. i think it says a lot about the state of our country, at least a lot of people are hoping that's what it says, we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of people that came out to stand up
against white supremacist ideals and jason kesseler got a permit in both places and said there would be 100 to 400 people. there were two dozen who showed up. they came and spoke and didn't get through speeches and spoke early. i do want to mention the police presence because it was large, very big police presence. some people are saying why are so many police there with only 20 or so unite the right marchers. because of what happened in charlottesville and because of what ended up happening with so much violence and then ended in the death of heather heier and two officers who died as well patrolling the skies. i think what happened in d.c. is exactly what people were hoping would happen, which is there is never a clash, a physical clash between these two groups. we also had a conversation with jason kesseler to ask him why pick this day? why pick the day when a lot of people see it to a slap in the
face of victims in charlott charlottesville? he did it on the anniversary of the charlottesville. he said we are coming because we felt our rights were violated. then i asked questions about this of t some of the things said with the anti-semitic and racist ideals they were spewing. do you condemn what happened during the rally, where people were saying jews will not replace, anti-semitic remarks and racist remarks. that what you believe? >> i condemn neo-nazis in the lead hip up to the rally. >> why were so many marching under your unite the right rally? >> that's a complicated issue. i would say they were in the minority but because of what they said was so offensive and frightening to a lot of people it became the focal point. >> he is clearly trying to rebrand the alt right if you will. but he has made such disturbing
comments in the past, do not match what he said to me there. it's interesting to see what will go forward next but a lot of people there we tried to talk to, wouldn't talk to us saying they don't want to be harassed. on other side, hundreds saying we don't want you here. >> but they came out to exercise their constitutional right to have their faces shown but then wouldn't speak to you. thank you for all of the reporting. so if she wins in november, she'll be the first muslim woman in congress. two years ago she was forcibly removed from a trump speech in detroit. there she is. she was accused of heckling. last week she won her primary for the u.s. house seat in michigan's 13th congressional district. she's running unopposed in a deeply blue district in november and is set to potentially make history. she joins me now. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much for having me. >> it's nice to have you. it was three and a half years ago when he was a candidate for
president, donald trump at the time that he called for a complete ban on muslims entering america. so this year fast forward we see a record number of muslim americans running for congress, somewhere around 90 declaring candidacy, you're one of them. if you win you would be the first muslim woman to serve in congress. if president trump had not become president, do you think he would be running today? >> i think at some point i would probably continue my public service. a lot of people don't realize i was the first muslim american woman in the michigan legislature. so i was always attracted to public service but more community activism. when you say heckling, i said well i was asked a question and they pulled me out for asking them if he ever read the u.s. constitution and it was the most american thing i could do to push back on some of his rhetoric and this call for a ban. of course, a lot of my passion and what i brought to the
campaign did come from the fact that trump has made my children, my two boys, question whether or not they can tell people whether or not they are of muslim faith. i know a lot of moms even across my district, i started a chapter called moms against trump and we're really tired of our children kind of feeling this sense that they don't belong or they are less than because the president of the united states says so. >> so let me ask you about this because you saw over the weekend on the one year mark from the charlottesville deadly protest, that the president tweeted, i condemn all types of racism and acts of violence, peace to all americans. now senator tim scott, last year called out trump and said he had a lack of moral authority when he used the both sides language. now senator tim scott is defending the president and saying, look, he has taken in the senator's words a number of steps to move us in a better direction. he siz this is a positive step in the right direction. do you agree with senator scott?
>> i agree with actions. senator scott can say you know, those things and about the president of the united states but i can tell you -- i can tweet out whatever i want but my actions are what's going to speak louder. and a lot of the things he's done, not only towards muslim americans but also towards my latino neighbors and african-american neighbors in my district, i can tell you that this president has felt -- we have felt the sense of -- that it's us versus them, this kind of feeling that maybe because of being a child of immigrants or being somebody that is african-american in our country, that somehow we get all of these other lashbels that makes us so-called less american. that's how we've been feeling with this president. i can tell you it's been very much a very much a passion of mine to continue showing people, not only through my election but uplifting other women running
for office. >> let me ask you about action you would take should you be elected in november. you said on cnn last week that you -- your words probably not when you were asked if you would support nancy pelosi to be speaker of the house should democrats retake the house. and you cited her support for big banks and you said it is quote troubling that she didn't put the people first. what specifically are you talking about? >> you know, my district is probably a second or third poorest in the country, poppy. what i see is that less than half of my families don't own their own home, primarily because of discriminatory practices that go on with banks and mortgages. because the car insurance industry has been overwhelmingly discriminatory towards my families -- >> and i do understand that i've been there and covered it a great deal in and around detroit for the better part of a decade. but specifically to pelosi, those are pretty strong allegations, right, saying she doesn't care about these
people -- >> they are not allegations -- >> claims? >> this is before i got elected i have been critical of both republicans and democrats that remove the transparency requirements through dodd frank. i mean, those are things to me protect the working class families. these are things that i think are critical to insuring that we feel we have a seat at the table. look this is a new generation, new era. this is time for a new approach to public service that is so different than what we've had. i -- it's very important to know, i have absolute respected the leadership of leader nancy pelosi. you should know that i have been so supportive of a number of things she's done to not only elevate women -- >> but you think it's time for a new voice. >> it is, it is. there's nothing wrong -- by saying there's a new voice doesn't mean that i don't support the work she's done. what i'm telling you -- >> i hear that but let me play what she said over the weekend defending yourself. your calls for new leadership
are similar to what some republicans including the president are saying, it's helpful to them, they are saying keep nancy pelosi in power and leadership because that hurts the democrats which helps us. here's how pelosi defended herself over the weekend. >> i do not think our opponents should select the leaders of our party. the republicans are spending millions, tens of millions of dollars against me because they are afraid of me because i outraise them in the political arena, because i outsmart them at the negotiating table and because i'm a woman who is going to be a seat at that table. do you think she has a point in this warning to democrats? >> i don't know if it's a warning to democrats as much as to the political culture that's in the washington, d.c. look, i come from a district that doesn't feel like they've been heard by congress. it is overwhelmingly been ignored on a number of frontsz. i have a city outside of
detroit, i have 12 different communities that doesn't even have a school district poppy. i have areas where the environmental irk yu is the core of the fact that they are not able to have a right to breathe clean air. one of five children have asthma. i have another area in my district that you turn around the corner and see more poverty. you see more decay. what i'm telling you is that we don't feel we have a seat at the table. they are a priority to me. i'm going to go there. i said probably not because i want to make sure that they have a voice and the leader that's going to run the united states congress. that is my right to be able to speak on their behalf and say -- >> you have spoken about people you call democratic sell-outs, that you think frankly don't care about the people you've just elaborated on. >> not don't care as much as disconnected, poppy. >> is nancy pelosi a sell-out, is she disconnected from those people? >> i think so. >> finally before you go, you have joined the movement to
abolish i.c.e. as many fellow democrats in congress have as well. but critics say, look, that energizes the republican base, that energizes the president who can point at democrats and say, see you don't care about border security. what's your reaction to that? >> i don't look at this issue as strategic political strategy. abolishing i.c.e. protects my families from the militarization that is happening in our neighborhoods. i am from southwest detroit where literally the border to canada and all i see is border patrol field operators, all of this so-called militarization happening. i have parents dropping their kids off at school, poppy and getting arrested and detained in front of their child's school. >> do we need -- so we should -- >> i will not -- will not poppy make -- >> we should debate the practice -- >> practice of it? they didn't exist before. they didn't exist before. >> i'm not going to make a decision based on whether or not politically it is helpful for
the republicans or democrats. is it helpful for the families of the 13 congressional district to abolish i.c.e.? absolutely it is. >> do we need border security? do we need some form of i.c.e.? >> we had it. we had it before i.c.e. >> thank you for being with us. i have a lot more to get to. i hope you join me again. >> thank you very much, poppy for having me. >> we have some breaking news. the president just responded to the former white house aide, omarosa newman who attacked him this morning on the "today" show. let's go to boris sanchez in new jersey. the president is on a working vacation so he is lashing back at her. what is he saying? >> reporter: that's right, poppy, just a few days after president trump called her a low life in his first direct response to some of the allegations that omarosa is making in her tell-all book unhinged, he's now responding via twitter. here's the tweet the president sent out a short time ago. quote, whacky omarosa who got fired three times on the
apprentice now got fired for the last time. she never made it, never will. she begged me for a job, tears in her eyes. i said okay. people in the white house hated her. she was vicious but not smart. i would rarely see her but heard and we are eagerly anticipating the follow-up tweet. the last few days from the white house have been any indication, we will likely see more attacks on former aide's credibility. poppy? >> this is in such stark contrast to the tape we heard that omarosa played this morning of her conversation with the president who said he didn't love at all seeing her released from the white house. interesting, borboris. thanks. we'll be right back.
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today, the leaders of north and south korea have announced they will meet again. it's set to take place next month in pyongyang. it will be the third face to face between them. this comes amid reports that north korea has rejected all proposals from the u.s. since the trump/kim summit on denuclearization. will ripley joins me now. it's not just the fact they will hve this face to face, it comes days after our reporting, you know, from our state department correspondent that the kim regime rejected offers by the u.s. to achieve denuclearization. >> reporter: that is the really important context here. you are absolutely right. moon jae-in's role has been the intermediary. he is the one who goes and speaks with kim jong-un. then he speaks with president trump. he is the diplomatic negotiator
in the middle who is listening to what the north koreans are saying, listening to what the united states is saying and trying to keep the process moving along. that will be his role perhaps when he travels to pyongyang in accept. it's the first time in more than a decade that a south korean president has been traveled to the north korean capital. more significant is what we have been reporting, the north koreans really feel that they are having a hard time negotiating with some of the members of the trump administration. they are hoping for a second summit with president trump. could this lead to that second summit? that's what we will be watching. >> will, thank you very much. you reported so much in north kor korea, you understand the context of this, that meeting set to happen between the south and north in about a month. thank you, will. we have more on our breaking news ahead. the president responding to former aide omarosa's attacks on him and his administration. we will bring you the president's words next.
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