insults are weakness. better arguments, better ideas, better actions, those are the real blows. demand that from our leaders. demand they disagree with decency. demand they help us to be better, not worse. don't let trump off the hook by forgiving his language as a form of leadership. it isn't. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon, right now. >> i hope people are listening. i hope it's not falling on deaf ears. i'm sure you'll get a lot of blow back from some of the trump supporters that say you don't understand us. this is what we want. i think one of the most important things you said in there is he is playing you. and i think what he's learning from omarosa is that you can't play a player. she is a player, just like him, and she's serving it up just as good as he is, as he can. >> just the same with her as with him. talk is cheap. if she has proof that he knew about the e-mails, she better put it up. >> talk is cheap and bs runs a

marathon. that's what they say. thank you, sir. you know why i'm never afraid of you? you're always the guy talking trash in the room. >> yeah. this dog bites. this dog bites. >> thank you chris cuomo. see you, my friend. this is "cnn tonight," i am don lemon. what does it say about this president that his own press secretary said she cannot guarantee that there isn't a tape of donald trump using the n-word? >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people they'll never hear donald trump utter the n-word on a recording in any context? >> i can't guarantee anything. >> so, what us the it say that the smarter move is for the president's spokesperson to leave open the possibility that such a tape exists, rather than to deny it and say, of course, there is no such tape. that's impossible. it appears members of the trump campaign took rumors of such a tape, recorded while trump was

working on "the apprentice" so seriously that they questioned then-candidate trump about it. their conversation secretly recorded by former trump aide omarosa manigault newman. >> i'm trying to figure out the context it was used in to help us maybe try to figure out a way to spin it. >> i said, well, sir, can you think of any time this might have happened? and he said no. >> well, that's not true, so -- >> he goes, how do you think i should handle it? and i told him exactly what you just say, omarosa, which is, well, it depends on what scenario you're talking about. and he said, well, why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed? >> he said it. he said it. he's embarrassed. >> and in true trump fashion, the president of the united states went on to attack omarosa, tweeting, quote, "when you give a crazed, crying lowlife a break and give her a job at the white house, i guess it just didn't work out.

good work by general kelly for quickly firing that dog." listen, omarosa has done some things that are really inexcusable, and there are serious questions about her credibility, let's be honest, but the president of the united states calling a black woman a dog is really, once again, beneath the office. this is president trump, and that's kind of language he uses. it would be rational to think that if this purported tape of trump using the n-word exists and there is no proof that it does, but if it did, it would be a bombshell. right? right? it would have to be. or would it? what if i told you that i have a tape of donald trump calling mexicans criminals and rapists. >> when mexico sends their people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. they're rapists.

>> what if i told you i have a secretly recorded tape of him bragging about sexually assaulting women? >> i got to use some tic-tacs just in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. you just kiss. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the -- you can do anything. >> what if i told you i have a tape of him mocking a disabled person. >> oh, i don't know what i said. i don't remember! he's like, i don't remember, maybe that's what i said. >> and what if i told you i have a tape of him calling african-american athletes, and i'm quoting here, sons of bitches?

>> get that son of a [ bleep ] off the field right now, out. he's fired. he's fired. >> what if i told you i have a tape of him encouraging violence by his supporters? >> if you see somebody getting ready throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. okay? just knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees, i promise. >> and what if i told you i had a tape of him calling white supremacists who killed a young woman in charlottesville "very fine people"? >> you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides, you had people, in that group, excuse me, excuse me, i saw the same pictures as you did. >> i wish i could say that it would make a difference if, on top of all of that, there ever did turn out to be a tape of the word using the n-word, that americans would never tolerate language like that from a candidate or from a president,

but maybe the truth would be very different. maybe it wouldn't change anything. why would that tape be the bridge too far? we already know this president seems immune from even the broadest standards of decency we've had common in the past. another tape wouldn't change anything. think about it. am i wrong? i want to bring in now cnn legal analyst laura coates and douglas brinkley. good evening. >> hey, don. >> i don't think i'm wrong, david. >> no, don, you're not wrong. look, today in the press briefing, white house press briefing room and on the air all day, trump surrogates and supporters ran this line down that, look, the dog insult toward omarosa was just par for the course, that he's an equal opportunity insulter, he said the same thing to mitt romney when he said he choked like a dog, he said that this is just

the president counterpunching -- here's the problem. we've reached a point -- we reached this point a long time ago, but especially now that we're a year and a half into his presidency, the president, because of all of his statements about women and people of color, he's no longer entitled to the benefit of the doubt. you had him talk about megyn kelly, rosie o'donnell, you had him talk about katrina perry from the irish network rte. you had him talk about representative frederica wilson, starting a fight with her. calling m ining maxine waters l. he came after lebron james. he came after you, don. all of these comments suggest that he relishes insoughting people of color and women in a particular way, even if he does it sometimes to other people, and because he has this long track record, all those videos you just played, you can't give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, that it's the most

innocuous interpretation when he says omarosa is a dog. >> douglas, you're the historian here. what is the president's language and behavior doing to the office of the presidency? are we witnessing the denigration of this office in real time? >> we really are, don. it's just horrific. i was reflecting on past presidents today and since the civil war, we haven't had a president, at least since andrew johnson right after the civil war, that is a full-pledged bigot, and we have that with donald trump. there have been presidents that are slippery on the race issue, that didn't move the arc of justice forward, that took a step back, but donald trump has a career of just doing racially insensitive and hateful comments towards people. we have to realize, he just doesn't like mexican-americans. he doesn't like anybody of color. he doesn't like african-americans. he doesn't like lgbt people.

he doesn't really want you here if you are from haiti or nigeria or elsewhere. there is no way around the fact that donald trump is a bigot and a racist. his excuse is is that economy is doing well, that's just trump being trump, but i think it's starting to accumulate. we could go on for an hour here. the midterm elections are coming, and we will see, if the republicans lose congress, democrats get ahold of it, they very well will move to impeach him and he will go down in history on the bottom rung of presidents like james buchanan or warren harding and maybe the worst president of all-time. so, i don't really feel he has oxygen in his tank when he's running at 40% approval rating, when the economy is doing this well, but it stuns me, don, that so many republicans are timid. where is george w. bush to denounce the racism? where are other republicans,

last friday, who should have been defending john mccain, the great war hero, when donald trumputter his name in a military service like that? the cowardness of republicans right now is what shocks me. because donald trump's always been a charlatan who created trump university and other scams, puts his name on buildings that he didn't build. but it's the deficit in the republican party, the silence, that's really hurting the country right now. >> laura, i just think this bears repeating. the press secretary for the president of the united states cannot deny that there is -- that there's possibly a tape of him saying the n-word. that is, to me, is unprecedented. and i just -- before you answer, i'm going to play this, because anderson and erin spoke with lynn patton and katrina paerson, the woman heard on that audio with omarosa. they said omarosa kept bringing up the tape.

take a listen to this. >> there were a lot of times that we talked about this tape, because omarosa was literally obsessed with it, she brought it up constantly. it's clear now that the reason why she did was because she was recording us. >> your viewers, i'm pretty sure, have run into an individual that is the complete apitmy of annoying to where you absolutely have to finally give in in order to get on about your day. that happened a number of days, because omarosa is a bully. >> so, what's omarosa's motivation to get this on tape and talk to me, what do you think about that? she can't deny that the president may be on tape somewhere saying the n-word? >> i'm shocked by a number of things. number one, the con desession that came from the press secretary today, talking about him being an equal opportunity offender, as if you have universal bigotry towards all groups, somehow the american people should be placated by the fact that that person holds the highest office in the land. on the notion that someone being the epitome of annoying, well,

the epitome of ignorance to me is that category of people who refuse to acknowledge what is really a foregone conclusion and to acknowledge the statements, the context of all the things that have been stated, and the history of the commentary towards all sorts of people. when it comes to omarosa, it's very evident that no human being should be treated in a way or called or described as sub-human, but as doug can talk to you about, the history of american presidents, there's been a concerted effort on behalf of many presidents, dating back to the 1800s, to try to make african-americans appear to be sub-human, to have their intellect akin to that of a dog and to impose literacy tests and other things to talk about why we are an interior race. none of which is true, but has been a tempting campaign rhetoric promise. the frustrating thing to me is, the president's numbers have not changed. though the rhetoric is very

evident about what it displays about his character and who he believes to be inferior or superior or worthy of respect. and for that very reason, i am the epitome of annoyed to use her words, as an american citizen, as a voter, as somebody who is part of the informed electorate, that there are not more people that are willing to accept this new state of america that says, we must placate and essentially just act kwee yes, siring to it. and i thought we progressed to a time where america is a little bit close to its ideals. >> everyone stay with us. rudy giuliani on the attack tonight. and why that could attract the attention of special counsel robert mueller. i receive travel rewards. going new places. (oh!) going out for a bite.

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>> perhaps, don. what's so striking about the last couple of days is there are no good guys. you have omarosa, who is going on this world tour, proclaiming how much dirt she has on the president and how the president is in her view, even though she was eager to work for him and sung his praises all the way up until she left the white house. then you have the president who people are at least prepared to believe a lot of the things that she's saying about him, and at least a couple of things have looked like they might be true, based on some of these tapes. i think there's still more information to come in. and then you have all the people around the president having to sort of, you know, backtrack and sidestep and spin, including, a few minutes ago we were talking about the sarah sanders, the white house press secretary not being able to just, you know, flatly say, there's no way the president said the n-word. in terms of special counsel mueller, of course he would want to talk to omarosa. i don't know what he asked her. none of us do. but if she worked on the campaign and in the west wing,

this is someone you're going to bring in and talk to as part of this wide investigation. >> but she hasn't really presented any evidence that she actually spoke to the special counsel. we're taking her at her word. >> we are. >> we don't know if she actually was. so, listen, laura, omarosa claimed today that trump knew about the clinton campaign e-mail leaks before wick kkilea came out with them. here's what rudy giuliani said about that to chris. >> i know she's lying, because i was on the campaign more than she was. i was, from about june to november, i was with him 24 hours a day. the first wikileaks exposure, he was completely surprised. he asked me, do you think there will be more? i told him, i have no idea. but i heard some reporter on cnn, fox, i don't know where, saying, assange has a practice of putting out the weakest ones first, then he builds it up,

builds it up. i said, i think this guy may have more than that. we were surprised every time. she was not as close to him as i was. >> so, he's trying to knock back the claims, but did he open up new questions about who knew what when? >> yes. you have the battle of the blanket assertions here and it sounds like they're battling who gets what side is the best friend heartbroken necklace chain you get in sixth grade. who was closer, who was around him. and all that leads me to believe and ask the question, rudy giuliani, are you the president's attorney, or are you a witness, which means that mueller would have to ask you questions about any discrepancies between what the president has said in twitter or in other public statements or even through you, or what you have now said in the numerous interviews you've given that have given conflicting testimony through the court of public seas opinion. that's one of the things that's so interesting about that.

while rudy giuliani talks about a perjury trap and whether or not donald trump will sit down for an interview, the more he talks and talks about his observations first-hand or conversations outside the attorney-client relationship, particularly when he was on the campaign trail, well he himself may set an invitation from robe robert mueller's team. >> he was with him 24 hours a day, he said, for, i forget, june to november. that's a lot. where was melania? listen, doug, why is everything around this president always so chaotic? is it by design? >> a lot of it is by design. he can't help his own narcissism. it's a disease. he's had a lifetime of success. he's been trained by people, if it's learning the art of the prenup, the art of the deal, to how to kind of screw people over, how to live a fantasy

life, you know, when you're a casino guy, you're making people think you can get rich quick. and then you conquer by dividing. and he's done a good job of it, perhaps with the help of russia and wikileaks, but the country's very divided right now, and he wakes up every morning trying to see how he can get more divided. what kind of inflammatory language or discredited tweet he could make, just to get us talking about him. so we are in a crisis in our country right now. the crisis of the presidency. it is an institution we have all looked up to and have had kind of bipartisan respect to is being soiled, right in front of our eyes every day. again, i believe in this country. you know, i write, don, about whether it's the civil war or world war ii and civil rights movement and we're going to get through donald trump, because there are a lot of great americans out there that are leaning forward right now, people are waking up and, you had spike lee on last week, and

he rightly said, wake up, people, this is happening in the united states right now. in the end, he's going to get tripped up on his own bs, his lies, his hatred. it will doom him in the end. and i think that because dictators and people with those bents all over the world and history end up falling on their own sword. >> history shows us. we have lessons from history and these lessons should be heard. by the way, spike lee's movie, go see it. puts everything into perspective as to what is happening now. i appreciate your insights. thank you, laura, david, douglas. when we come back, rudy giuliani shifting stories and contradictions all part of a strategy by the president's lawyer? i'm going to ask the former director of national intelligence, james clapper. he's next. (knock on door) we're ready for you. ( ♪ ) elvive protein recharge leave-in conditioner. in just 1 use, elvive revives damaged hair.

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rudy giuliani coming out swinging tonight, contradicting a key claim by former fbi director james comey. let's talk now with cnn's national security analyst, james clapper, the former director of national intelligence. good evening, sir. good to have you on. i want to play what the president's lawyer, rudy giuliani, told our chris cuomo tonight, claiming that former fbi director james comey never even had a conversation with trump about michael flynn. here it is. >> we're worried about perjury trap because the president says he didn't have the conversation about flynn -- >> the way -- >> comey says he did. >> the way that comey says he had the conversation, he didn't have it. not that they never spoke. >> didn't have it at all. >> for this to be true, jim comey has to be a crazy liar.

>> i'm going to tell you why he's a crazy liar. because he put that in his statement and in may of 2017, he testified before congress, i think, that trump never said anything to him, that influenced him, tried to influence him, tried to obstruct him. if he -- if that happened in february, and also, if comey had been -- felt that he was being obstructed. >> he said he took it as a direction. >> he had a duty to report it. he didn't report it. >> i don't see that as a big problem. help me understand. >> okay, i'm the u.s. attorney. >> yeah. >> somebody calls me up and says, fix the case. >> right. >> i write it down and i bury it. for four months. that's a felony. >> but you do not fix the case. >> yeah, but -- the attempt to influence me is a crime. >> there's already an investigation going on. but anyway, that's -- director,

i digress. that's quite an accusation, isn't it? >> well, it is. it's hard to -- hard to characterize it. i -- i wonder -- i was thinking back over this and i recall the president's -- what turned out to be an empty threat about tapes, a taping system in the white house, and if the conversation never took place, why would the president have even brought up the possibility of the conversation having been taped, which apparently it wasn't. i'll just say this, that -- i know jim comey pretty well and i'll say two things. i know him pretty well and i think he accurately rendered what occurred in the conversations that he had with president trump. and, you know, i had a grand total of three one-on-one conversations with president obama over six and a half years,

and let me tell you, you remember every word. i didn't feel compelled to write it down at the time, contemporaneously, but i certainly remember those conversations very distinctly. so, when you're hauled into the oval office and particularly when your boss is excluded and you have a conversation like that, you remember that, and jim, to his credit, wrote it down contemporaneously, and i have no doubt about his accuracy. and i think what's afoot here, obviously, is the reason that giuliani was brought on in the first place, was to on his kate, deflect and to sow doubt and confuse. so, now this boils down to a he said/he said proposition. >> let me ask you this. i wonder if it's -- you know, i think about someone of your caliber, if it's fustrating for you to have to come on and try

to decipher what rudy giuliani is saying, because there were many parts of rudy giuliani's interview with chris that were pretty hard to follow and somewhat contradictory, and -- is that the whole point? is that the strategy, muddying the waters? it's got to be frustrating for you and i know for the american people to watch, because it didn't make sense and we're sitting here like, okay, we have to make sense out of this. maybe there is no sense to be made out of it. >> well, you know, i've said this before that my preferred memory of rudy giuliani is when he was mayor of new york city during and after 9/11. and he provided great leaders p leadership, not only in new york city, but the entire country. and the reason was because of his clarity and his coherence. and initially, i thought, you know, this cinco heeri cinco he,

but now i'm believing that it's intentional. it's almost like a favorite russian information operations campaign tactic. just sow enough doubt and discord so, gee, i just can't know the truth here. well, i think -- at least from my part, i believe i know what the truth is, but what he's doing, and unfortunately, it's having an impact, is casting doubt, muddying the waters and deflecting from what's really true here. >> yeah. you know, the president tweeted, director, eight times in 24 hours about omarosa, calling her a dog, excuse me, wacky, deranged, crazed, crying lowlife, vicious and not smart. i'll ask you a similar question that i asked douglas brinkley, are we witnessing the degradation of the presidency? >> well, i don't think there's any question about that. that's been the case, actually, going back to when he was a candidate and then became the

president-elect and certainly during the year and a half of this administration. you know, i've taken some criticism from my tribes, both military and intelligence, about not being sufficiently respectful of this president. and when he demeans and marginalizes and compromises the office of the presidency as he is currently doing, yet another example of this, it makes it very hard for me, someone who has served this country for 5 50-plus years, to -- and i've always been very respectful of the presidents, as commanders in chief, and boy, this one makes that pretty tough. >> yeah. i think many people -- i know many people have more respect for the office than he does, because if he did respect it, he wouldn't conduct himself in that

manner. >> exactly. >> omarosa revealed that she had the secret recording from her time at the white house, even in the situation room. from a security perspective, what kind of a threat is it to bring a recording device into the situation room. could national security interest be compromised? >> well, this is a very serious thing, don, because of what mobile devices can be in terms of recording and also as an intercept and even transmission means, even if the user doesn't know it. so, it is a serious, serious threat and i wonder where all the people are that got all exercised about hillary clinton's private e-mail server, where they are on this one, because the white house sit room is the center of the most sensitive conversations, most sensitive discussions and where all the nation's secrets can be laid out. and so, this -- to me, this is a

very serious violation, and what i wonder about is just how widespread this practice might be in the white house, and whether others, as a matter of routine, bring mobile devices into the sit room. >> james clapper, thank you, sir. >> thanks, don. when we come back, it's impossible to overstate just how unpresidential it was for president trump to call omarosa a dog. but it's part of a long history of his brutal language aimed at people of color in particular. we're going to dig into that next. (thomas) nice choices! you see, now verizon lets you mix and match your family unlimited plans like you mix and match your flavors. so you get what you want, without paying for things you don't. number 6. i know. where do i put it? in my belly. (vo) one family. different unlimited plans. starting at $40 per line on the network you deserve. ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪

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life. to the fullest. so, the way the president described omarosa today, a woman he hired to work in the house, is crazy. but it's not the first time he's used language like this against women of color.

joining me now, my panel. good evening, all. >> good evening, don. >> so, the president has called mitt romney a dog, ted cruz a dog, or, like dogs. he said they are like dogs, in some cases. but it takes on a different cases when the insult is applied to a black woman, angela, do you agree with that? >> um -- i think that we just have to look at pattern and practice, right? so, don, this is the same man who has come at congresswoman frederica wilson, maxine waters. jemele hill on espn, you, lebron james, and nfl players who are overwhelmingly black. he has a pattern and practice of saying disparaging things, disproportionately so, based on statistics put up on cnn earlier, about black people. so, he very clearly has issues with black people and, yes, i

think he has it with black women, as well. him calling someone a dog, either way, like, he's saying something disparaging. the name-calling coming from that particular office is ridiculous. >> what do you think, rob? was it a racist attack? >> i don't think it was a racist attack. i think he's an equal opportunity offender -- >> disproproportioor poshun gna. >> it's not. >> it is. there are numbers. >> this is why it's almost irrelevant if there's any truth to his former aide's explosive content in the book that he may have used the n-word, right, and sarah sanders saying she cannot guarantee the tape. donald trump says these things and he realizes that he can say them and he doesn't have to use the strong language where people would say, oh, my gosh, you are a racist. he doesn't have to use the n-word, because it stirs up the

same forces and the same response from his base. they know what he's saying, he doesn't have to say it. >> let me tell you something, god's honest truth, i had no idea the word dog -- i had no idea it's a racist term. i don't think most people -- >> shouldn't you know that? you're an american. you should be aware -- >> i looked it up in the dictionary. >> you should be beaware -- >> can i -- >> hold on. certain words used against certain people have a different context than if it's used on a person who is of a larger culture. and so, as americans, especially as someone who is going to come on television and, you know, be an authority, shouldn't you know the nuances of that? >> no. >> shouldn't americans be educated about this? >> no. i think the quick answer is, at some point, we're fog to ggoing

to the word the and the is going to be racist. >> oh, come on. >> look, as i said, he meant to punch back at her because he was upset. he knew her and she let him down. >> can i -- >> are you okay with that? are you okay with that, though? >> well, look. i think there's three things -- >> it's a simple yes or no question. >> the three ts. trump with twitter, tone and -- i'll start with two ts, twitter and tone. if he could work on those two -- >> and temperament. >> that would be my third t, you're right. i think he would be unstoppable. >> i didn't get an answer to my question, though. are you okay with the way the president tweeted at omarosa, the language he uses, are you okay with that? >> i would prefer that he didn't do it. >> but are you okay with that? is the answer no? >> it's not what i would use and i would prefer that he didn't do

it, because we're spending all day today on cnn and elsewhere talking about this tit for tat between him and omarosa, and there are other things we should be talking about. >> well, here's the other thing. you said that soon the word the is going to be considered racist, well, to be honest with you, donald trump used the term the to describe black folks. the blacks. that's not -- that's not okay in modern day parlance, when you are doing that. so, yeah, donald trump does have a history of making very racially unsensitive comments, not only that. the idea of dehumanizing your opponent, whether it's a political opponent or someone you disagree with, is rooted in very ugly history. that, what that does is, that allows people to look at someone as less than human, so it's easer is to oppress them. this is a tactic that donald trump has used. it's a tactic that nazis used. it's a tactic that dictators use. this is a dangerous precedent for us to normalize donald trump as punching back or being tough or being a fighter. no. what he's doing is diminishing

the office of the presidency, it's not what we do as americans, and you should be able to simply say, no, i'm not comfortable with the president of the united states speaking about anyone this way. >> listen to what donald trump had to say, in 1989, about black people in the job market. check it out. >> a well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. and i think sometimes a black may think that they don't really have the advantage or this or that, but in actuality, today, currently, it's a great -- i've said on occasion, even about myself, if i were starting off today, i would love to be a well-educated black, because i really believe they do have an actual advantage today. >> angela? >> come on. like, what? like -- okay. i'm sorry. first of all, can i just say, again, don, how many times have we told folks, this is not a new

donald trump. this dude has been saying this crazy stuff for years, like, he said that his black accountant was lazy. these are terms that he's used to describe people of color for eons. and i just think it's so bizarre -- i will own that i said dog on air to jason miller, right? in the heat of a debate, come on dog, it's kocolloquiacolloquial. this is not what he's doing. this is completely different. you mentioned him kind of, you know, dehumanizing opponents, they also otherize opponents. jason ask eed me in that debatef i was canadian. >> the people that support him need to call those people out when they use irresponsible language like this. i mean, we are engaging in politically adolescent dialogue. coming out of the white house. >> let -- >> republicans would never allow

democrats to get away with. this could you imagine in barack obama or hillary clinton said anything like this? i mean, republicans would be calling for impeachment. so, republicans need to stop this and stop normalizing what trump is doing and stop trying to make excuses. kelly anne conway, sarah sanders trying to say, well, he just punishes back, i'm okay with what he said, that is not okay. because what happens when it turns on them? >> yeah. rob will respond right after the break. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. i am all about living joyfully. the new united explorer card hooks me up. getting more for getting away. traveling lighter. getting settled. rewarded! learn more at theexplorercard.com this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries

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number employment. >> this is a president who is fighting for all americans, putting policies in place that hem all american said, particularly african americans. in the year 1/2 that he's been here has created a 700,000 new jobs for african americans. after eight years office, obama had only created 895,000 jobs. >> for the record 3 million jobs were added during the obama era. so back now with me angela rye and tear -- so you can say your piece about everything and they were asking her about omarosa and she had to apologize for this misleading statement about the job numbers. more jobs were indeed created in

the first 19 months under obama than trump. why are they so intent on misleading us on job number stphz. >> i don't think they're misleading. they're stretched by any administration. >> she said i gave wrong information. >> i think president obama inherited a very bad economy, obviously. and he did grow theconomy and he should get credit for that. it did not go as fast as could and should have and i think the policies that have been reversed have helped thisse conomy right now. as controversial as donald trump can be, you do see support in the african american community rising. i know you can't wait -- >> the reason i'm doing that is

because you're touting those numbers beutthen you say number kz be manipulated. >> unemployment numbers. i'm going by a very public poll. >> an online poll. sorry. >> trump got 8%. he's at 21% now and that's because the economy is growing and people are like i may not like what he says but things are moving a little bit better for me personally. >> why wouldn't his supporters -- barack obama couldn't run again. if you look at just the sheer numbers, barack obama does much americans than this president has been and job employment was on an upswing. >> it was a 1.9% annual growth.

wages were flat. >> wages were still flat. >> you can argue about the economy but clearly the regulatory roll backs has taken the foot off the economy and that's helped things expand. that helps everybody. >> good economy doesn't excuse bad behavior. >> that's an separate argument. >> not really. that's what they're using as it doesn't matter what he says. that's not what's coming from the podium. a lot of trump supporters say it doesn't matter because unemployment is down and it doesn't matter if i'm a racist and a bigot -- >> got to ge. when we come back a lot more. appreciate it. including donald trump

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this is "cnn tonight". i'm don lemon. the president's attorney, rudy giuliani, on the attack. in what appears to be an atempt to distract and deflect from ex-white house aid omarosa's allegations and in the process making a bigger mess. claiming in a interview that donald trump knew nothing in advanced and at the same time claiming if he did t wouldn't be a problem anyway and claiming that president trump never talked to james comey about michael flynn. so is all of this a smart strategy as giuliani