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shocked me that i was here. >> there's a lot of feelings in prison and you don't get to feel them. you're not a person and your feelings aren't validate. >> many have been victims of some kind of abuse. we provide a safe place for them to overcome trauma and pain. so it is so much more than just writing. it becomes a therapeutic way to heal. >> she was able to get extraordinary access for this story. to hear more from these incredible voices, go to cnn this is cnn breaking news. >> top of the hour, you are live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. let's get to you are breaking news. the man who may know the most about president trump's actions in the white house and the legality of them is said to be cooperating extensively with special counsel robert mueller. "the new york times" reporting
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today that white house council don mcgahn has given three voluntary interviews. to help put that in into perspective a former white water investigator said it's like having keys to the kingdom. ryan nobles is near at the president's golf resort in new jersey. this cooperation is incredibly unusual, so why is mcgahn cooperating and what could he know? >> there's a bunch of reasons why he's involved in this situation at the level he's involved in it. but essentially it started because donald trump's former criminal lawyers, those that were representing him in the special counsel probe decided it was a good idea for mcgann to voluntary cooperate and the special counsel and not invone attorney/client privilege. but when that happened according to "the new york times," mcgahn
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and his lawyer decided there was a concern that mcgahn was being set up to become the fall guy for donald trump when it comes to obstruction of justice. so he decided to fully cooperate. there are few people in the trump white house that know as much. here's some of the things he has direct knowledge of. he was there and told donald trump that he would quit if the president made a move to fire the special counsel, robert mueller. also in january of 2017 mcgahn became aware of the possibility that michael flynn, the former national security adviser likely lied to the fbi. and he was also warned by jeff sessions if the president made a move to fire the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, that jeff sessions would likely
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resign. at this point the president's legal team has not responded to "the new york times" report. sarah sanders says shethey're n concern. but rudy giuliani put out this tweet an hour ago that doesn't talk specifically about "the new york times" report. but julian says, quote, time for the mueller investigation to file a report. we will release oushrs. the president had nothing to do with the russians and didn't obstruct an investigation. 1.4 million documents and 32 witnesses know witnesses, no privilege raised. they want this investigation to wrap up. one more point i will make is i've been in contact with someone that has direct knowledge of the mcgahn legal strategy is it relates to all of this. and that person said they would not agree with the insinuation
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in "the new york times" report that somehow mcgahn was providing incriminating information about donald trump. they say that he was just telling the truth as he was required to do. so there's a lot of moving parts to this story and we're still waiting for the president himself to respond to what the "new york times" is reporting. ana? >> thanks for laying it out there for us. does this idea of a white house counsel turned corroborated witness sound familiar to you? maybe you're drawing parallels to john danny? mcgahn did too. "the new york times" writes worried that mr. trump would ultimately blame him in the inquiry, mr. mcgahn told people he was determined to avoid the fate of richard nixon. mr. john danny joins us now on the phone. john, what's your reaction to all of this and this reporting that you were on mcgahn's mind? >> he's doing the right thing.
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post-watergate they resolved a tricky question of who is the client. white house counsel, it's a office of the president. he's doing the right thing in representing the office of the president and there can be conflicts between the incumbent and the office. don did get wrong that i went to prison. i didn't. i was actually in the witness protection program on and off from june of 1973 to january of 1975. >> "the new york times" quoting a former white water investigator saying this is like having the keys to the kingdom. is that how you see it? >> well, it certainly does give them a good guide as to where the problems may or may not be.
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as for the clarifying remark that mcgahn didn't incriminate the president. we don't know if that's true or not. probably mcgahn doesn't know if it's true or not. he gave them the knowledge he had, which was invaluable to an investigator. >> could the president stepped in and prevented mcgahn from talking openly? >> i think he could. he could do it on a couple basis. first, there would be the attorney/client privilege, which would cause the special counsel to have to test that and go to court and get it resolved. and there is no privilege for government attorneys. so that would be the one issue. even probably a stronger basis would be executive privilege
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where the president can say that he doesn't want people who are helping him in his the collision process testifying before other bodies like the congress or the courts. that's what nixon did with his tapes. he said they were subject to executive privilege. the court said, well, that's not true when a grand jury sends a subpoena for them. >> i want to read you a quote from the "times" article about how mcgahn and his lawyer feared mcgahn was being set up and came up with their plan. mcgahn and mr. burke devised their own strategy to cooperate with mr. mueller to demonstrate that mr. mcgahn did nothing wrong. john, what do you make of this idea mcgahn was worried about being thrown under the bus? >> that's one i understand. that was what prompted me. i didn't talk to the media
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during water gate or ever when i was in government. i have tried to get them to cover up and it was clear they weren't going to, but rather they were going to make me the scape goat for the coverup, and the former attorney general the scapegoat, i took a brief comment that my secretary read to "the washington post," the amounap and "the new york times" to say i wasn't interested. so i can understand his thinking. >> do you think the president should be worried? >> you know, the investigation if it were as simple as dowd and explained initially the approach they were taking, it would have been over, but it is obviously much more complex.
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they didn't have all the facts. i'm not sure that trump himself has all the facts. some of his people may have been unwitting in their cooperation with the russians. some of them might have been unaware of even how they were helping or assisting. so this has to all be sorted out and counterintelligence investigations are not simple. they are often go on for years. >> john dean, thank you very much. we appreciate your insight. >> my pleasure. >> with us now, cnn national security analyst julia cayenne and former trump adviser steve cortez. julia, let me move the discussion forward to another topic this weekend. we're talking about e cia chief john brennan. the president tweeting about him, kicking up a notch his rivalry or attack against john
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brennan writing this, has anyone looked at the mistakes john brennan made while serving as cia director. he will go down as the worst in history. and since getting out he's become nothing less than a loud mouth who got be trust the with the schematiecrets to our count >> you should believe the president because he fired him because he didn't like when he was saying. there's no specific allegation that brennan released information. if you look at what donald trump says, we know why he fired john brennen, so that's disturbing to the sense donald trump cares so little for our national security and the legacy that men like john brennen carry forward to help those now in power. trump's national security is essentially his own security. but i think it also shows the
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political nature of what this white house has done with national security, the fact that sarah sanders and the communications team are now in charge of when they're going to decided when the next person loses their security clearance suggests this has nothing to do with the national security staff and everything to do with distractions not only about omarosa but the story you were just talking about with john dean. these are not good stories for the white house in a deep away. >> he already took away his security clearance. why is he continuing to attack him? what is he trying to accomplish? >> i'm glad he did in this case because he's hearkening back. this is not my opinion. our cia was hacking into the
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computers of the senate i don't ever sight committee who was charged with overseeing his very agency. the fact that he first lied about it and then had to apologize for it. he paid no price. to me that was a constitutional and separation of powers violation. that is so absurd, he should have been fired immediately if not prosecuted and put in prison in my opinion. >> that was in the past. that was dealt with at the time as you mentioned. it was exposed. so why does this president continue to go after brennen. >> but that's what the president talked about what the president talked about in his tweet today was his past actions as cia director. by the way, he was absolutely -- i mean, it was criminal what he did as cia director. that is relevant. it's one reason he doesn't deserve clearance today. since leaving the cia he and others including clapper and hayden, they have decided in the
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past former intelligence chiefs used to maintain a certain protocol when they left office. they would join think tanks, do serious work. instead all of them have done what i do, which is become a partisan cable news political page 1 did i tell. i don't have a problem with that because i do it myself. but you have then surrendered the right to have the privileges and prestige of being a former intelligence head. you are now a political hack. you are now a partisan operative, and as such, you lose the privilege of security clearance. >> juliet? >> that was a lot to absorb. and i understand why you're saying that because there's no rational justification for what donald trump did. you began with brennen being in jail. i mean, it's to coo coo. who's going to lose security clearances based on whether
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they're upset or whether they get criticized. and the fact we know this has nothing to do with national security is the fact this was done at a time when the white house admits it was trying to distract from bad stories. so if you're that concerned about national security, one would guess that you would not let mike hayden go on tv for the next couple weeks if you're that concerned. so we know this is just a fiction that people who are proxies for the trump white house get on tv. and what they do is they create a justification after the fact because donald trump has told us why he did it. >> let me just read the official reasons the president gave for revoking the security clearance of brennen. here's what the white house says. >> wild outbursts on the internet and television, lying, making frenzies commentary.
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shouldn't the president had a "v" his clearance revoked as well? >> no, because he was elected by the people of the united states. there's a crucial distinction there. he was elected to be their boss, whether they're currently employed or formerly employed. he's in charge their security clearances. he hired him, the american people, to do that job. when they leave that job, and it's in agust position to be in that position, when you become a partisan cable news hack, by the way, listen i'll call myself a hack. when you become a partisan cable news operative, you can no longer have the prestige and privilege of having security clearance to this country. you can't. by the way, i don't want to just pick on brennen. clapper also lied in front of network, lied to congresses. >> you said that. but the bottom line here is there was -- there has been a unanimous response right now from the former intelligence
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officials who have come out and they have said that this kind of behavior rove indication of these security clearances for a political reason has never been done and should never been done. >> because former heads of intelligence, ana, were never political the way these men are. you didn't see william webster leave office and become a cable news partisan operative. >> i'll give you the last word. >> i say it's irrelevant. >> steve, you need to be quiet because you made your point. he wants brennen in jail. >> which is beyond. >> really? >> but what he is happening now is the politicizization, steve even sounds very, very panicked, very nervous, irrational, throw if he never jail attitude.
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i don't know what's behind that. all i know is keep your cool, people are allowed to say what they want to say, no allegations that john brennen did anything to disrupt national security. here's a hero regarding bin laden. now you're saying they go to jail. best of luck to you on that theory, but the rest of us know exactly why donald trump and steve for that matter, why you're doing this. this is not rational talk anymore. this is just something else is going on here. >> he's not rational. he has chosen to become a partisan cable news celebrity, and when you choose to become a partisan cable news page.
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>> steve cortez, juliet cayenne, thank you for that passionate discussion. the jury in the trial of former campaign chairman paul manafort continues to deliberate. they delivered a curious note to the judge yesterday. why manafort's attorneys say this could be a good sign for their client. we're live in the "cnn newsroom." . >> he is clean not because he did it for copt money. his sense of humor rings clean, so we want brian reganen to be clean. although it would be funny to see him go off the rails. >> some law firms deal with dui then aggravated dui.
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the jury is heading into its third day of deliberations in the trial of paul manafort. the judge says he's received threats over this case. threats that make him reluctant to publicly release the jurors' names after the verdict. manafort is accused of 18
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criminal counts including tax evasion and bank fraud. joining us now, criminal defense attorney and cnn legal analyst page peat. do you think jurors' names should be kept private? >> it's a good idea in that case like this. not only is this a high profile criminal case, but obviously there's strong feelings on both political sides of the aisle about what should happen to mr. manafort and how that may affect the president. so is judge always has the discretion to keep the jurors' names from the public. so it's not an unusual step in that case like this and probably it's better safe than sorry because who knows, especially with all the language you hear sometimes from the white house, and you even hear the president talking about what a good guy paul manafo manafort is. i don't want someone hearing
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that and taking action. >> the jury has come back with a few questions including asking how you define reasonable doubt. what does that tell you? >> it's always difficult to know in that case like this. i tried a federal criminal case just last month, and we had what i thought were favorable questions from the jury, but ultimately they found against my client. so what i think is important and i think we can gather from these questions is they are not jumping to the quick conclusion that i think the government wanted them to. he's made a lot of money, he spent a lot of money, and he didn't report it. that's an easy case. but what they're doing is going through the evidence very carefully. maybe one juror had that question or maybe the entire jury wanted a better definition of reasonable doubt. but unfortunately the judge really didn't give it. it's a doubt based on reason and common sense. so there's not a lot more the jury can have as far as a definition. >> 12 jurors total.
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how hard is it to reach a unanimous verdict on 18 charges like this? >> it can be very difficult, especially if the case has political issues or other emotional issues that are at play. and they have to go through the indictment count by count, so it's quite possible right now that they have already reached a decision on some or maybe even most of these counts and perhaps the last bit of deliberations are going into next week maybe over some of the remaining counts. and that's one thing about a federal case, we do not know where they are. we don't know if they're split, whether they've reached a verdict on some counts, and the judge isn't supposed to inquire. it will be a mystery how much longer they'll be out. >> the president is talking about paul manafort calling him a good man, saying the trial is sad. let me remind everyone the jury is not sequestered. could the president's words influence the outcome? >> i think so, ana. in fact, i would be surprised if someone on the jury didn't hear
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indirectly that the president made those comments. remember, manafort's defense team only needs one, one very strong trump supporter who believes that the government selectively prosecuted this case because manafort worked for trump. even the judge indicated this case may be about who manafort worked for rather than what he did. if the language gets back to one member of this jury who's a strong tump supporter, you could end up with a hung jury and a mistrial. thank you. >> thank you, good to have you with us always. frightening moments at a high school football game after gunfire sends people running for their lives. and police say this wasn't random. ♪ ♪
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this was not a random act of violence. new clues as to how two young girls and their pregnant mom were brutally murdered in colorado. they're alleged killer, their own father and husband, chris watts. he stood on his porch and plootd th -- pleaded that his wife and children be returned. police found the body of his wife on the property of an oil company where he used to work. they found the bodies of their daughters in oil storage tanks. court documents reveal watts may have strangled some of the victims. from the outside, everything seems so normal. just weeks earlier she post add video announcing her pregnancy and a video of her daughter singing about her dad. >> my daddy is a hero. he helps he grow up.
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he helps me. he reads me books. he ties my shoes. >> why watts may have brutally murdered his family is still a mystery. sheryl is joining me now. what kind of person could potentially kill not only his pretty good wife, but his two young children? what do we know about that person's state of mind? >> ana, this is always hard to believe and people get really shocked, but the truth is that the majority of the time when women are murdered, they're murdered by someone they know, often a boyfriend or husband. so this is actually one of the most frequent scenarios we see with a murder of a woman. the fact that she was murdered when she was pregnant and that he killed his daughters as well allegedly, this has a quality of some of the research i've done.
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there are some indicators that she may have been planning to leave him. i know they had financial issues. very often there's a mentality of if i can't have you, no one can, and an element of power and control. there's a lot we need to discover about this case, but i wish i could say that this was an extremely uncommon scenario. you see something that looks so beautiful on facebook, people curate -- they put the best of their lives out there, but clearly this family was really struggling with some very dark things. >> we see all these beautiful pictures and all these smiles and the text messages, the videos that have come to light of chris watts and his wife and kids, seemingly so happy when you see him actually as a dad, as a husband. i want to play another clip. [ laughter ]
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>> i like that shirt. really? >> really. fles >> that's awesome. >> oh, my god. come give me a hug. i love you. >> you want to give the baby a hug? i love you, bella. give me a kiss. >> mommy. >> sheryl, is it possible there were no red flags and maybe he just snapped? >> you know, i'm thinking about this and i'm thinking about the references he made in his interview before the bodies were found talking about having a doorbell camera and having cameras around the house and this odd, cool kind of reflection about it in a shallow, superficial way, and a tell where he was speaking about his daughter, bella, and he said she was going to start
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kindergarten. he used the past tense, and that's something we see in forensic science when that person knows that person isn't coming back. and i don't know, but we may find this was more planned than we think. >> court documents suggest that some members of this family were strangled and that the little girls' bodies were found inside tanks filled with crude oil. what you make of these disturbing new details? >> i think he was trying to hide the evidence. i think this was a place that he was familiar with. he used to work in this setting, and i think he was hoping perhaps that the oil could do enough harm to the bodies, that they wouldn't be able to be identified, but they have identified them. >> sheryl, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate your expertise. >> thank you so much. unsettling details about the role of the u.s. in the bus attack in yemen that killed dozens of children. a cnn exclusive report after this.
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>> every day 'zine ham ran visits the grave where his brothers are buried. >> translator: people were screaming out the names of their children. i tried to tell the women it couldn't be true, but man shouted the plane struck the children children's. >> within hours, it had all gone horribly wrong. [ scream ] a plane from the coalition struck a bus carrying them. dozens died. some of the bodies were so mutilated, identification became impossible. all that's left are the scraps of schoolbooks, warped metal, and a single backpack. eyewitnesses tell cnn this was a direct hit in the middle of a
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busy market. >> translator: i saw the bomb hit the bus. it blew it into those shops and threw bodies clear to the other side of those buildings. we found bodies scattered everywhere. there was a severed head inside. >> this video was filmed in the aftermath of the attack. a cameraman working for cnn subsequently filmed these images for us. munitions experts say this was a u.s.-made mk 82 bomb weighing half a ton. the first five digits there are the cage number, the commercial and government entity number. this denotes lockheed martin. >> we're at the forefront that makes them real. >> this particular mk 82 is a paveway, a laser-guided precision bomb. its targeting accuracy a particular point of pride for lockheed martin.
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part of an arms deal with saudi arabia sanctioned and contracted by the u.s. government. the devastation inflicted by the mk 82 is all too familiar in yemen. in march 2016 a strike on a market using a similarly laser guided 2,000-pound mk 84 killed 97 people. in october 2016, another strike on a funeral hall killed 155 people and wounded hundreds more. then the bus attack on august 9th where they're still counting the dead. the u.s. doesn't just sell arms to the coalition in its battle against rebel hewitty officials. president obama blocked sales of precision-guided military
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technology to saudi arabia over human rights concerns. six months later under the trump administration, then secretary of tillerson overturned the ban. >> there's a balance that needs to be struck. the president noted the saudis have a right to defend themselves. they were being attacked by huthis. we certainly had under the obama administration deep concerns about the way the saudis were targeted and we acted on those concerns by limiting the kinds of munsz they were given and stridently trying to argue for them to be more careful and cautious. >> saudi arabia denies targeting civilians and defends the incident as a legitimate military operation. a retaliatory response to a huthi ballistic missile from the day before.
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coalition spokesperson told us the coalition is taking all practical measures to minimize civilian casualties. every civilian casualty is a tragedy, adding that it would not be appropriate for the coalition to comment further while the investigation is under way. the u.s. wouldn't comment on the origins of the bomb, but the state department is calling for a saudi-led investigation which the defense secretary supports. >> wars are always tragic, but we've got to find a way to protect the innocent. >> osama's cell phone footage is all that his father has left of the two boys. their last happy moments. osama's father is optimistic that an investigation will change anything, in a country where loss is common place, they aren't even praying for justice anymore. just peace.
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you don't see this every day. a delicate rescue operation caught on dash cam video. the sheriff's office responded to a call of a bear trapped in a parked car. it's the silver car to the right. watch how a deputy is able to set it free. >> we're going to try and get him out because he's not happy at all. i'm going to try and break out the back window with a bean bag.
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[ gunshot ] [ gunshot ] [ gunshot ] [ gunshot ] >> there he goes. how did the bear get in there? yes, bears are capable of opening unlocked doors. so police say this is a reminder to always remove food from your car and lock it, especially when you are in bear country. this next story will have any bear drooling. today august 18th is national honey bee day. while washington, d.c., is too often divided by politics, second lady karen pence is celebrating one very sweet success. cnn takes you to the vice president's residence for its first ever honey harvest. >> bees are doing great. we are proud to report after a year that we're up to about 60,000 bees now, so we've about
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doubled our population. today we are harvesting the honey for the first time, and so the bee keeper will come in and take out frames. at any bees do get a little upset at first. when you have a lot of rain or you have a lot of drought, that's going to affect how much honey you're able to harvest. we want to make sure the bees have the honey that they need. we only take the honey that is extra. one of the reasons we wanted to bring a beehive to the vice president's residence was we wanted to help our bee population, and we do have connie collapse disorder. it was important to us to do what we could. a lot of our crops are highly dependent on bees to pollinate. we will transplaort to the kitchen. >> this is our sent fuge. we stick in two frames at a time and crank it until all the honey comes out.
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and falls down into the collection bin. we have tiny two-ounce little bears, and we will put all of the honey into those little bottles and gives those to people when they come visit the residence. >> delicious. the man who may know the most about president trump's actions in the white house and the legality of them is now said to be cooperating extensively with robert mueller. that's straight ahead live in the "cnn newsroom." (vo) this is not a video game. this is not a screensaver. this is the destruction of a cancer cell by the body's own immune system, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪
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we don't know if there was collusion, but apparently there is cooperation. tonight "the new york times" is reporting that white house council don mcgahn has cooperated extensively in the special counsel investigation sharing detailed accounts about episodes at the core of the investigation into whether president trump obstructed justice including some investigators would not have learned otherwise. the paper reports mcgahn submitted to at least three voluntary interviews totaling 30 hours. the first interview was last november. describing the president's furor towards the russia investigation and providing a clear view of the president's most intimate moments with his lawyer. cnn's ryan nobles is following the story from new jersey where the president is spending the weekend at his bedminster golf resort. lawyers are rarely so open with investigators. what kind of things would mcgahn be touching on? >> there's no doubt there are few people inned the


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