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hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. president trump just said lying to congress is not acceptable, just as his supreme court is facing more and more nominations that he could have lied to congress. the third former classmate of brett kavanaugh said kavanaugh was not truthful last week when he said he never blacked out from drinking alcohol. first this is the president from the white house just a moment ago. >> i don't think you should lie to congress, and there have been
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a lot of people over the last year that have lied to congress. and to me that would not be acceptable. i don't want to do anything to intersupt what's happening with judge kavanaugh. and i think the process -- i must say, hopefully as mitch said, they'll have a vote by the end of the week and it will be a positive vote. well, i say that it's a very scary time for young men in america when you can be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of. this is a very, very difficult time. what's happening here has much more to do than even the appointment of a supreme court justice. it really does. you can be somebody that was perfect your entire life and somebody could accuse you of something. it doesn't necessarily have to be a woman, but somebody could accuse you of something and you're automatically guilty.
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but in this realm, you are truly guilty until proven innocent. >> trump's comments come on the fourth full day of fbi -- the fbi's background investigation into sex allegations against brett kavanaugh. thus far sources say the fbi has interviewed the witnesses on the republicans' list, patrick smyth, leland keyser and mark judge, the people that christine blasey ford said were present at the party where she said brett kavanaugh assaulted her. what is not clear is if the fbi is looking into a new haven police report about a 1985 bar fight. it shows officers did question a young brett kavanaugh but they did not arrest him. it also shows kavanaugh did not want to admit or deny that he threw ice at one of the men involved in the fight. in the end kavanaugh's friend,
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ex-nba player chris dudley, was arrested. another person at the bar fight is now speaking out. chad leddington says he saw kavanaugh drink to excess. >> yes, i believe that he lied and distorted and dissembled to the senate judiciary committee. he never acknowledged that he got to the point that he might not actually remember something and i find that very hard to believe frankly. i find that impossible to believe actually. i don't think that getting drunk in your college years should matter, no. but i do believe that it's fundamentally wrong, indeed illegal, to lie in front of the senate judiciary committee. >> several other classmates do back up kavanaugh's testimony
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that he never drank to excess, including a classmate who said he never saw kavanaugh in a state where he wasn't in control. with me cnn law analyst josh campbell, once a special agent for the fbi. back at it again today. we have heard from democrat senator chris coons, from dianne feinstein, both of whom say they do not believe that this fbi report -- they believe it should be kept confidential. no matter the findings at the end of the week, keep it sealed. you disagree with that. >> i do, who heartleheartedly. >> why? >> the intense investigation surrounding this nomination, if these lingering questions aren't answered, not only by politicians, by people who have an ax to grind, some sort of
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personal benefit that may be derived from this, but the actual investigators who are apolitical and nonpartisan, if we don't see the results of their work, there will always be this lingering question. >> we just saw the sound bite from chad ludington from yale, he apparently was going to talk to the fbi in north carolina about all of this today. does that mean they then would have to look into the bar fight in new haven? >> that's the part we don't know. that is the crux of the issue. there's been this competing narrative. over the weekend we were reporting it was very limited in scope, the white house was dictating very specific terms to the fbi. then the president said no, the fbi can do whatever they want. but there's an important caveat, the bureau has to go back to the white house to ask permission. ultimately it comes to the white
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house to green light. >> the other piece that would branch off of this bar fight story i would presume is not included in the scope from my understanding was anything about drinking. >> correct. >> right, back in the day. so how could they not look into drinking when they're looking at a bar fight? >> the president, i'll take it a step further, lying to congress is not only unacceptable, it is illegal. these are statutes that make it a penalty to lie both under oath and you don't even have to be under oath but it's a five-year penalty for lying. this is why it's important. no one cares -- some do but most don't care whether some college kid was drinking -- >> exactly. big picture, he tossed ice at some guy had he was in college. >> if you have a federal judge sitting before congress and testifying to something that other witnesses are saying this
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is not consistent with the facts, that's an issue. we have to get to the bottom of that. overarching this one-week arbitrary deadline. will all questions be answered or will they allow the bureau to investigate or will they allow a full review? >> sounds like they want it by friday. >> i think you're right. >> it's this elevator confrontation when two survivors of sexual violent confronted jeff flake. but he's not the only republican senator getting an earful. watch what has happened to senators mitch mcconnell, senator david purdue and senator bob corker. >> how do your constituents feel, mr. mcconnell? >> mr. mcconnell, we know -- >> please don't block the way,
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ma'am. >> senator mcconnell, why won't you speak to these women -- >> would you support a full investigation of all of the claim? >> i'm a state representative. i haven't touched you, sir. you aren't being touched, sir. >> i know y'all are having -- i know this is enjoyable to y'all. >> it is not enjoyable. it is not fun for us to tell our stories. >> i have to make sure that people like you don't have to articulate that men in power won't take care of. >> those senators of course are all expected to vote for kavanaugh's confirmation. remember, you have these key senators, jeff flake, susan collins, lisa murkowski saying i'm going to wait for the investigation to play out before forming an opinion and you have this other group of senators who have essentially said they've made up their minds and i'm not going to learn anything.
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maeve, how do you square the two? >> we've seen in the polls so far a lot of conservatives are energized. we're five weeks from an election. they are angry about what democrats are doing. they think that judge kavanaugh has been basically slandered here and defamed but for those republican senators, you know, appearing as though you're not taking this issue seriously is also a huge risk. there is so much at play right now for both parties when it comes to women if they look like they're not taking these women's stories seriously and the testimony last week seriously, that could really affect all of these races all around the country. >> i think women want to be heard but you juxtapose that with what we heard from the
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president as well saying it is a very scary time in america for young men. that sentiment echos what we heard from his son don jr., that he actually fears more for his sons than his daughters given the climate in america right now. >> yeah, i think that those comments are exactly -- president trump kept saying over and over again how he wasn't trying to get in the middle of this but those koncomments -- >> that's getting right in the middle of it. >> they're very unhelpful to republican around the country, as they're trying to maintain control not just of the house but of the senate at this point. there will be many women voters out there who make up their mind about how they feel about those comments. we've seen it over and over again about how the president takes it too far and then everyone in his party has to comment about he said about it being a scary time for young men in america. we have to look at the ripple
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effects of how all the comments are having across the country. i don't think anybody really knows right now which way the kavanaugh energy will go. >> five weeks from today. and as far as beer is concerned, we've heard from the president a bunch on this. we heard him say he doesn't see anything wrong with judge kavanaugh's drinking. we know president trump does not drink. we know his brother, fred, died as an alcoholic. as a private citizen for years he's spoken out against drinking quite a bit. watch. >> why is it that everybody is suing the tobacco companies and nobody sues the alcohol companies? you have the car crashes and the kids that get killed by some drunk that's riding on the road. it's just terrible. my brother, fred, was a great guy. he had everything. the most handsome guy. and then he got hooked. and there was nothing. by the way, nothing he could do about it. i've seen strong people, really,
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tough strong people that could not shake the habit. my brother used to say to me no drinking, no drugs and no alcohol. to this day i've never had a drink. and i have no longing for it. i have no interest in it. to this day i've never had a cigarette. don't worry, those are only two of my good things. i don't want to tell you about the bad things. there's plenty of bad things, too. but he really helped me. i had somebody that guided me. he had a very, very tough life because of alcohol. i never had a drink, i never had a glass of alcohol. in all fairness i watch people and i study people and i had a great, in particular, a great tutor on this. but i look and i see what it does to people when they lose control. >> so i think when somebody's running, if there is a potential problem with alcohol or with drugs, i think the people have to know about it. >> so trump was actually talking
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there about president bush's drinking. kavanaugh has said he's never had a drinking problem but this is all kind of coming full circle. >> i think this is one of the most fascinating threads because we do know that president trump feels very strongly and personally about this issue. in our town hall during the election when he was with his children, they were talking about how their father over and over again said no drugs, no alcohol and they really internalized this as a really important message from him. so i just think it was fascinating as i was watch bein the hearing and kavanaugh's testimony last week thinking about how president trump would judge that. clearly this is not a kind of behavior that he likes or admires and in many other ways, sure, brett kavanaugh is out of central casting for trump, but this is the kind of thing that bothers him personally. we'll have to see -- so far he's been standing behind his nominee and we'll see if that continues
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as more of these stories come forward, brooke. >> thank you very much. coming up, as this nomination fight plays out, why brett kavanaugh's teaching job at harvard law is now in question. what students are being told about the future of his course he's been teaching for more than a decade. and a year after people appeared to laugh at president trump about his speech at the united nations, a stunning poll about how the world views president trump as president and which foreign leaders are now on the rise. ps yodrivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?
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around the world president trump's approval is plummeting. a new pew research center survey
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shows overall confidence in president trump is down. 70% said they have no confidence in trump doing the right thing when it comes to world affairs. cnn global affairs analyst susan glassman is with me. this is all about how the world perceives the u.s. since trump moved into the white house. one of only three countries whose opinion of the u.s. went up was actually russia. are you surprised? >> well, president obama had about the lowest ratings anywhere in the world in russia by the end of his two terms in office. so in that sense it's not surprising, although interestingly in the two years of president trump's presidency, president trump actually is down in russia, even from where he was in 2017. i think the initial high hopes, as you know, russian state tv propaganda was very high on trump when he was elected, saw it as a great victory for president putin.
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this year they're not so sure. this year his numbers are off. overall the picture is stunning. you just have the president of the united states approval ratings in single digits from many of our closest allies in europe, for example. >> let me channel the other side which may say trump and his supporters would say that he puts america first so who cares if the other nations don't view him favorably. is that a fair argument? >> i haven't even heard president trump himself make the argument that he wants everyone to hate him. you know, there's a difference between america first and america alone. in fact, i've heard very heated pushback from many of president trump's advisers and supporters on the idea that it means america alone. but what i'm struck by is they've been doing this poll, it's the pew research center's
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attitude poll they've been doing since 1991. president trump's ratings are lower than bush's popularity during the iraq war. president trump is even lower in virtually i think every place that i looked at around the world. what it means is it limits america's soft power and president trump's power of persuasion. we live in a multi-lateral world in which we have alliances and relationships with all of these big countries. it represents a very stark, even head snapping change in the american position in the world in a very short amount of time. >> well, this whole conversation matters and it also matters, i was just told as we were talking, it's fortuitous that i have you on, mike pompeo will be going back to north korea at the end of this week, this is after
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the president over the weekend said that he and kim are in love. what do you make of this move? >> well, you know, again what we're seeing is a head-snapping moment in american foreign policy where you do have the president of the united states lavishing praise on dictators like kim jong un. at the same time many of our closest allies in france, the president's approval rating is 9%. that's right, 9. in germany, it's 10%. in mexico after the president's repeated criticism of mexicans, it's 6%, which i believe is the lowest in the world. at the same time, south koreans have been encouraged by the opening in the diplomatic talks trump has begun with north korea. so his numbers rebounded there a little bit. they were absolutely in the cellular last year when it looked like fire and fury was going to rain down. so again, it's a pretty big
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shift in america's position in the world. president trump is saying he wants to have a second one-on-one summit meeting with kim jong un after their singapore summit, and this pompeo trip would be probably talking about that among other issues. >> this after just a year ago calling him rocket man. what a difference a year makes in this world in which we live. susan glasser, thank you very much. >> coming up next, harvard announces brett kavanaugh will no longer be teaching a class there this winter. we'll talk to the reporter of the school's paper for reaction around campus. and lisa murkowski is under major pressure from some of her consistents back home to be a no vote on kavanaugh for the supreme court. and it's not only about the sex assault allegations. we are live in anchorage, alaska to explain. your insurance rates skyrocket after a scratch so small
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not only is brett kavanaugh's seat on the u.s. supreme court in doubt, but now he won't be teaching at harvard law school come january. cnn obtained an e-mail from harvard informing students that judge kavanaugh indicated he can no longer commit to teaching his course. he was to teach "the supreme court things 2005" in the upcoming winter term.
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he's taught at harvard for less than a decade. more than 800 harvard law school alumni signed a letter calling for the school to rescind kavanaugh's lecturer appointment. aidan ryan, nice to see you. tell me how this all unfolded because my first thought when i saw the news was, wow, the vote to see if he's on the supreme court has not happened and, bam, he's not teaching. what happened? >> this has been an ongoing issue really since the sexual allegations against judge kavanaugh first emerged. in august i reported a story, there were two letters, one opposing his nomination, and one supporting his character and his time as a teacher. the letter that supported him was from his former student and the other letter was a response to that letter saying they wanted to make clear the entire
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lawyer school community is not in favor of his nomination. at the time the dean, john manning, congratulated judge kavanaugh on his nomination when president trump announced that he would fill kennedy's seat on the supreme court, but now that since the sexual assault allegations have arisen against kavanaugh, the dean has been very quiet and the students have been very loud. four students penned an op-ed calling for kavanaugh to be barred from teaching. they had a walkout and rally. they had a small demonstration in front of the law school. this has been an issue that has been at the law school for a while. it culminated last night from the associate dean of the law school and she sent an e-mail on behalf of the curriculum
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committee saying that judge kavanaugh has indicated he will not return to teach his course this winter. >> after a decade, the students have spoken and spoken loudly. thank you very. meantime, alaskan senator lisa murkowski is one of three key senators that holds the support of brett kavanaugh's nomination in her hands. she was pressed today on which way she may be leaning. >> we don't know what it is that will come back. i have had a conversation with mr. mcgahn about the extent of what the fbi is doing and what i have been assured is that they are conducting this background investigation as they do all background investigations, allowing for the investigation to take its course.
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>> should they look into whether he lied about the antics in college? >> the fbi is doing what we asked the fbi to do. that's all i can ask for. >> senator murkowski is one of few republican senators who supports abortion rights. she may have a bigger concern here, alaska's native population. gary, you tell me, what are alaskans saying to you about kavanaugh? >> well, they're telling as you lot and it's all quite interesting. i do want to start by telling y you, though, brooke, that all across this country there's intense lobbying for and against brett kavanaugh but the most influential group of people in the supreme court saga might be,
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could be indigenous alaskans. catherine martin is an indigenous alaskan, a member of the traditional council. while she and about 100 other natives in this village may be far out in the alaskan wilderness, they are all in on the debate happening in washington. how many of you want to see judge brett kavanaugh be confirmed and end up on the supreme court. who doesn't? all of you? >> yes. >> yes. >> reporter: there are tens of thousands of indigenous people who live in alaska. in past senate elections they have voted overwhelmingly for lisa murkowski, whose vote is key in determining whether brett kavanaugh makes it to the supreme court. everyone supports murkowski because they say she understands their way of life and challenges. >> we're experiencing rates of
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domestic abuse than anywhere in the country. >> reporter: so there is great city for christine blasey ford among everyone we talked to in this village. >> as a survivor of sexual abuse, i think it takes year to come out with this. some victims come out with it immediately but some victims, it takes them a while before they're able to talk about it. i think this is what happened with this lady. >> i think he is against women's rights, including native rights. >> reporter: that's the other huge issue working against kavanaugh and likely weighing on senator murkowski's minds, native rights. in a case that went to the u.s. supreme court, kavanaugh questioned whether the protections begin to native american tribes should also be given to nate of hawaiians. people here think that bodes poorly for them. how concerned are you that
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alaskan rights could be taken away if kavanaugh is on the supreme court? >> very concerned. it's our way of life. >> reporter: many of them are not particularly modest about the political influence they believe they hold, which they think senator lisa murkowski needs to keep in mind. just last week indigenous alaskans were arrested while protesting outside the office of senator dan sullivan. so if lisa murkowski votes ultimately to confirm kavanaugh on the supreme court, what will your thoughts be about lisa murkowski? >> she won't have my support in the future? >> how do you feel about that? >> she won't have my full support either? >> reporter: what about you? >> i would not write her name or put a check mark by her name. >> reporter: would any of you still vote for lisa murkowski? >> no. >> reporter: so you're counting
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on her to vote no on kavanaugh? >> yes. >> reporter: would you be surprised if she did vote yes? >> very. >> reporter: last week senator murkowski said she could not support kavanaugh if there was no fbi investigation. well, now there is an investigation. as you said, she is not showing her cards. last week this didn't get a lot of attention, but last week the senator in washington talked to a local reporter with alaska public media. that reporter asked the senator about the me too moment and asked the senator have you ever had a me too moment? senator murkowski said yes but did not elaborate. that could prove to be significant. brooke? zounds li >> sounds like it. thank you for that. despite the president saying he had nothing to do with a payoff to stormy daniels, we have those
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constantly coming out of the white house, it is easy to miss some small but important developments like this one. monday right after last week's united nations gathering, the trump administration began denying visas to unmarried same-sex partners of foreign p diplomats and u.n. employees. all couples must now be married. this as only 25 countries allow same-sex marriage. let's talk to our guest about the impact. talk me through what it is this administration is demanding or asking. >> this is a new regulation that went into effect this week. essentially what the trump administration is saying is they want the same regulation as foreign diplomats and staffers as american diplomats and staffers who go overseas. since the same-sex marriage is
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the law of the land since the supreme court ruling. now the state department briefed reporters this afternoon and said it affects right now around 105 american families on foreign soils. they say it won't have much of an impact because most of those families are from countries where same-sex marriage is legal. they can either go home and get married or get married home in the united states. this is who it is going to impact. imagine you're a young, successful foreign diplomat and have just been assigned to the united nations and have a same-sex partner. if you ha're from an illegal country, you can abandon that country or stay or go to a third-party country and try to get married. that could have its own complications and its own dangers. you're essentially exposing
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yourself to people back home in a country where it's not just not tolerated but it could be highly illegal. this new regulation from the state department from the trump administration has been roundly criticized from different corners, including from ambassador samantha power, who was president obama's last u.n. ambassador. she tweeted calling this needlessly cruel and bigoted, state department will no longer let same-sex domestic partners of u.n. employees get visas unless they are married. the vast majority of u.n. countries do not allow same-sex marriage. for them, if they have a partner, it has just become a lot harder for them to come to the united states. >> also, a new report saying the president did not tell what he knew about stormy daniels and
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new reporting today indicates president trump was personally involved in efforts to hush foreign actress stormy daniels. "the wall street journal" broke the story this morning and cnn has since confirmed that the president in february enlisted his son, eric, and his former fixer michael cohen in the effort to keep daniels from publicly describing her alleged sexual encounter with him. so michael rafeld is one of those report who are broke the story this morning. nice to have you on.
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welcome. >> thank you tell me. the first direction of president trump trying to put the kabosh on stormy daniels saying anything about what she says they did? >> right. after we reported this in january this agreement happened before the election, when they first tried to silence her and after the deal became public, the white house and the trump organization and president trump kind of tried to distance him from all of this and say it was all michael cohen his lawyer. in fact, we know now a few weeks after physical first became public, president trump was orchestrating this, get an order to keep her quiet, which they did. >> didn't work. she talked anyway. >> yes. >> on "60 minutes." in reading your piece, one significant part was they used not only his son eric, he was involved but used a trump org
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attorney. why is that an important detail? >> because the president took a leave of absence from his company, wouldn't be involved. eric trump, his son, executive runs the company which the president's absence. an orchestrated absence of essentially the about paratus of donald trump trying to keep her talent. >> we here at cnn since confirmed what you found. m.j. lee got this quote. during those initial conversations trump said to michael cohen, "don't worry. i'll pay for everything". >> right. i'll take care of everything. >> i'm take care of everything. what does that say to you? >> essentially, the president was taking responsibility for this whole matter in saying, hey, i'm going to pay for it. this is my deal, and it's not just michael cohen out there on a limb. >> anything from the trump organization, or this attorney? >> no. declined to comment. >> okay. thank you so much. >> thank you. "wall street journal." appreciate it. we are just now getting word
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desperation in indonesia is growing and rescuers in the massive earthquake of the tsunami, trying to stay alive. more than 1,200 people are dead and that number is expected to rise as officials bury bodies in mass graves. a great need for basic supplies like food and clean drinking water and fuel is so scarce people are resorting to
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underground gas tank removal. more on the government's response and we warn you, some images you'll see are disturbing. >> reporter: four soldiers to a bag. they drag the person inside to a crude resting place. feels coarse and undeserved. a hastily dug grave as a result of an earthquake and tsunami no one was prepared for. there's 194 people buried here. some of whom are still unidentified that didn't deserve this. these are brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, grandparents, friends and all just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. authorities had laid hundreds of bodies in streets for days after the morgues ran out of room. officials say the bodies could spread disease. the world health organization says that's not completely true, but the burials go on and
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unidentified bodies had pictures taken to be i.d.'d later. those lucky enough to be alive gathered in a place where life is hard. a makeshift camp designed to help the newly homeless is wi widely unable to meet needs. this baby is sick. even if they had formula, which they don't, water is scarce. >> drinking water, really short of drinkable water. >> reporter: for others, the indignity of living outside is exasperated by having no clean way to use the bathroom. >> we need public toilets. none of provided to us. there are some here, but they are all broken and can't be used. >> reporter: five days on in camps like these, there's a lack of electricity, food, of water, health care and hygiene. no wonder people are frustrated and increasingly blaming the government for what obviously has been a slow response. fuel has been scarce, too. few stations are open.
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if you follow the rules and line up, to trade a day just for a few liters. the way you join the line, taking your gas tainer and running a rope through the handle. basically, the rope snakes all the way around and ends at the only gas pump open right now. so you hook up. move up the line. you wait. these people wouldn't wait. we watched them loot fuel tank underneath the ground, armed soldiers merely watched and didn't want to spark a riot. just run their bikes through generators. not like there's anywhere else to get it fast. dozens arrested for looting city-wide. the government says there have been challenges in they're aid mission, but overall they're making the best of a bad situation and, yes, help is slowly increasing. aid shifts en route. not fast enough.
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