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a pro government turkish news paper has published a shocking report about missing saudi journalist jamal khashoggi. according to the article, he activated his apple watch upon entering the consulate on october 2nd. it then recorded what happened next, included his alleged torture and killing inside the building. the saudis strenuously denny involvement in khashoggi's disappearance. but the turks claim to have audio and video recordings that prove that he was murdered. with billions of dollars worth of u.s. military sales to saudi arabia on the line, u.s. president trump has very little to say at this point about the allegations, but he did say that he would bring it up soon with the saudi king.
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>> we'll find out what happened with respect to the terrible situation in turkey having to do with saudi arabia and the reporter. and nobody knows quite yet, nobody has been able to put it all together. people are starting to form ideas. and as they are forme, we'dform let's y let's -- we'll let you know. i will be calling the king at some point. >> that is donald trump of course. and let's bring in gentlemajew bring in our reporters. what do we know about this investigation into jamal's disappearance? >> reporter: well, it has been a week since turkey launched the criminal investigation into his
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disappearance. and much of what we are getting -- not really much of it on the record. it is trickling out through sources familiar with the, anonymous sources and also media. as you mentioned, on friday cnn did confirm with a source familiar with the investigation that turkey does have audio and visual evidence of what went on in that building behind me where they say that it was captured in that audio the struggle, the torture and the killing of jamal khashoggi. now, there are lots of questions about how turkey may have obtained that evidence and the pro government newspaper late last night releasing this report that we cannot verify at this point where they say that the audio was recorded by jamal khashoggi who switched on the audio recording application on his phone before entering the consulate. now, it is really unclear if it
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is even technologically feasible for his phone to connect to this apple watch while he was inside to do that. cnn cannot confirm that. we have tried reaching out to apple multiple times to try and see if that is even technologically possible, and we still have not had luck getting information back from them on that. so some security experts are quite skeptical about these reports, especially saying that this report came out after many were questioning how turkey may have obtained audio recordings from inside a diplomatic mission in turkey. >> competing narratives of course. what is the perspective, sam, in riyadh? >> reporter: well, we've just recently overnight heard from saudi arabia's interior
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minister, the first person from the saudi side in this saga to put their name to a statement. andunequivocal, but it essentially says that all and any allegations that suggest that mr. khashoggi met with anything other than a safe exit from saudi arabia is nothing more than malicious gossip intended to besmirch the reputation of the kingdom. i'm paraphrasing it, but essentially that is the saudi position, that is the position of saudi arabia's allies. and it comes i think at a very difficult time regionally when in any case saudi arabia and the uae and other of their allies are in a faceoff with turkey and qatar over the future sort of political dynamic in the whole of the middle east and indeed saudi arabia is leading a
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blockade of qatar and all of this it should be seen in that sense as a suggestion really that this malicious propaganda as the saudis would say is part of that setting and in no way relates to saudi attempts on one of their citizen's lives. >> all right. i'll get back to that statement because i want to bring it up in full. but jomana, we have what feels like the sort of competing narrative from turkey run by president erdogan, a strum in the leadership here, and that of saudi arabia run on a day it day basis these days run by the crown prince. just talk to us and explain where that relationship lies at
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present. it has been fractious to say the least. >> reporter: absolutely. and from the beginning, it was clear that while this may have been a personal case for so many involved, for the family, for the friends, for his fiance, it was clear that this case was going to have far-reaching inch implications for the countries involved and for the region. the disappearance of jamal khashoggi from the saudi consulate appeared to be a diplomatic crisis in the making from the start, pitting two of the region's major powers against each other. but saudi arabia and turkey's relationship has been a rocky one recently as they found themselves on the opposite sides of regional issues. from president erdogan's close ties ties and president erdogan's move last year extending support
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and a lifeline to qatar during the saudi-led blockade. at terms it was personal. the president with a direct jab at the crown prince and his talk ever moderate islam. >> translator: moderate islam, you talk about moderate islam, but you don't even give permission to women to drive a car. what kind of moderate islam is this? is there such a ruling in islam against this? no. >> i think that they both perceive their respective countries as being the rightful leader or the main leader within the region for different reasons. and those don't always match. but i think that that is very clear between the two of them. >> reporter: since khashoggi's disappearance, president erdogan, who never really hesitates to speak his mind, has been diplomatic for the most
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part. and turkish officials are cautious in what they say indicating that perhaps they were trying to avoid a full blown diplomatic crisis. >> i don't think that ankara wants to turn this into a huge crisis between saudi arabia and turkey even if it does turn out that responsibility complete and total responsibility for this lies with the highest echelons of the kingdom before i think that they are trying hard to find ways out of that. >> reporter: with turkey's economic troubles, erdogan may not want to risk what he may need some day. and the crown prince, the negative publicity surrounding this case jeopardizes it all. but with this disturbing mystery that has gripped the world now, there is much more at stake than either country would have
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bargained for. and you know, becky, all indications so far is that turkey does not want to escalate. so everyone is waiting to see how they will move forward with this investigation, how credible, how transparent this investigation is going to be especially after the establishment of that joint working group with saudi arabia. >> jomana karedsheh is outside the consulate. and sam kiley is in riyadh for you. both with the very latest. thank you, guys. let me bring up for you exactly what that statement from saudi arabia is. sam rightly pointing out that he was paraphrasinparaphrasing. saudi arabia minister of interior affirmed the kingdom of saudi arabia's condemnation and denunciation of the false accusation circulated in some media on the saudi government and people against the background of the disappearance of the saudi citizen jamal
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khashoggi. he also stressed that what is being circulating about orders to kill him are lies and basic allegations against the government of the kingdom. well, there is a war going on for your minds here as well as in saudi and elsewhere as the government looks to shape the narrative in turkey and control the story. turkey no different of course. so let's see how it is defining the world here. what will be released of the american pass tore tor is a big. have a look, it takes up most of the front page here. why? the dollar falling against the lira. why does that matter? because so much important. the pastor a key piece in what is the shaky local economy. the story of khashoggi is there,
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but most of the front page is on the brunson story. same deal here, big on brunson, little news coming in from what was a speech yesterday by the president on syria. and this one focuses on the president's nemesis, gulan. and just a tiny stamp of news on the missing journalist. make no mistakes it a defining point globally. but still unclear how much the white house knows about khashoggi's disappearance. but the u.s. national security adviser says that it is not hiding anything. here is what john bolton told the hewitt radio show on thursday. >> the united states does not have information it is not revealing. if we had ainformation, we'd no
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better how to handle this. we will continue to try to get the facts. >> for analysis, let's me bring in matthew, formerly white house staff and keep point man for the state department. also served as ambassador. and let's talk about the ankara strategy here with regard the way that they are dealing with the disappearance and investigation into this mystery that surrounding jamal khashoggi. i was taking a look at the pages of the media. in some ways it seems the turkey government is trying to move the narrative beyond his disappearance. but these papers have been defined by khashoggi's disappearance over the last ten days. >> and what you pointed about how the brunson case is the lead story, that is them trying to get things back on
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track. and we've seen the turkish government make some unprecedented claims about its own intelligence inside the saw sawed sawed -- saudi consulate. why would you say that if you are the turkish government? i think to get to president trump and get relations back on track. >> how do you think washington is dealing with the fallout from jamal's disappearance? >> i think pretty poorly. president trump's statement the other day about how, well, this is terrible, but there is $100 billion in arms sales, it denies the u.s. any moral leadership. not that it appears that president trump is worried about that, but it really undercuts the ability of the u.s. to lead in this part of the world and resolve the multitude security problems in this region. >> and we've talked about the lack of an ambassador here in turkey. there are a number of positions
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around what is a very complicated and messy region where there are no u.s. ambassadors. so how much of a difference does that make when there is no man or woman on the ground ensuring that the narrative, that the dialogue is kept open between ankara and washington for example? >> i think it makes a huge difference. very often my friends in the corporate world that all they do is go to cocktail parties and have these chit-chats. >> which yyou do. >> right. but i say in your big company, would you leave the corporate office without a head? no, you have to have a senior person on the ground who can project the confidence of the top political leadership in washington if you are going to manage these sorts of intricate issues on a day to day basis. sure once in a while president trump will talk to president erdogan. what happens for the months in between? you have to have somebody in that top level post who gets the
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respect and therefore the access to the top leaders. >> so how do read what happens next. clearly we are still trying to work out exactly what has happened to jamal khashoggi. be that as it may, we continue to it seems be leaked information from a turkish government who is not out front with president erdogan or the interior minister, but what happens next? where does this relationship go? >> i think that we'll see -- if the u.s./turkey relationship continues on track, and again pastor brunson's release is a huge step in that direction, i think the best way to find out what happened to poor mr. khashoggi is that the turkish government will continue to leak information to reinforce that it is playing as fairly as possible and trying to be a good ally. >> as we see the potential for an uptick in relations between
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ankara and a washington, how do you read where riyadh/washington goes next? >> depends on who it is that makes the decisions in washington. i think president trump will try to play for time and hope that the story fades from the surface. but you listen to what senator graham said the other day if this is true there will be hell to pay. i think in the congress you will see people especially in the senate pushing for some kind of sanction. magnitsky people are talking about. and beyond government, we see all sorts of corporate leaders now starting to walk away from the relationship, media people not going to conferences. so i think that there will be a lot of external pressure on washington. >> a pleasure having you on, sir.
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andrew brunson is now in germany after two years in turkish custody. he will be on his way home to the u.s. soon. here is a photo of brunson arriving at the america air base. he is receiving a medical evaluation there. on friday turkey released will imfrom hou im -- released him from house arrest and the president celebrated at a rally in ohio. >> i'm proud to report that earlier today we secured the release of pastor andrew brunson from turkey. >> all right. we'll leave you for the time being. natalie has the rest of the news for you. >> becky, thank you very much. much more news ahead here. one hurricane michael survivor says his decision to ride out the storm is now catching up to
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him and he is filled with regret. >> there was three hours of terror. it was terror. you didn't know if the hurricane was going to turn around and slam you from the other side. and you got your wife and you're afraid you made a mistake and you're going to kill her. >> when we come back, we'll have more reaction from florida storm survivors trying to process all they have lost. plus, a hurricane was far from the only thing facing the white house. we break down the president's very busy week. it was here. i couldn't catch my breath. it was the last song of the night.
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that is what 140-plus miles per hour storm looks like. michael swept across several southeast states before moving into the atlantic ocean as a post-tropical cyclone on friday. the devastation is still coming into focus. its trail of destruction will take weeks to fully assess. many also remain without power. nearly 900,000 homes and businesses still without electricity and emergency officials have little or no access to some towns. some people can't even get out from where they rode out the storm. brian todd has been in mexico beach and he spoke with
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survivors struggling to process all that they have lost. >> reporter: lori june comes upon what was once her house and screams in agony. she and her husband lived in a two story town home which was completely flattened. its contents thrown across a canal. she says she is looking for her fire box which has her marriage license and other critical documents. she can't seem to find it. and the frustration and fear just seem to pour out. >> we're renters, so we can't replace this. this is our life. >> reporter: lori and randy have lived in nemexico beach for jus over a year. >> we will rebuild somehow. i just don't know how yet. if we don't get no help, we'll damn sure be living under a bridge somewhere. >> reporter: the city was founded in 1949. and now the mayor is trying to
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help residents pick up the pieces. you can describe the biggest dangers? are people in need of rescue? >> that has been handled. fema boots on the ground people have walked the city yesterday. >> reporter: while coast guard you crews rescued survivors from the air, cnn is learning that search and rescue teams are using specialized equipment and dogs to look for anyone who may be trapped. governor scott toured the devastation saying the state is offering all the assistance it can. >> we're getting food, water, working on shelter, working on communications. >> reporter: this large two story house got uprooted from its foundation and was swept across a street. from everything that we have seen in this town, there doesn't seem to be one place that is habitable. dan and julie rode out the storm and they want to make sure their children know they are safe. dan enwore a hat wi-- even wore with his name on it for our
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interview. but it is catching up to him emotionally. >> there was three hours of terror. it was terror. you didn't know if the hurricane was going to turn around and slam you from the other side. and you got your wife and you're afraid you made a mistake and you're going to kill her. >> reporter: i asked governor rick scott if people like dan and julie and lori and randy have a place to stay because a lot of these people from mexico beach are living on the streets. governor scott said they do have shelters in nearby towns, the nearest one in panama city about 20 miles away. i asked governor scott if it is not feasible to build a large shelter here, he said it is not right now because conditions are just too unstable. brianed to etodd, cnn, mexico b. we'll continue of course to bring you all the latest on how people are coping and what is being done to help them. coming up after a short break, the latest on the disappearance of saudi journalist jamal
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khashoggi and how he fell out of favor with the saudi royal family. x1 is here to help.
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nic robertson explains how khashoggi rose to prominence in the sawed kingdom and then fell from favor. >> reporter: jamal khashoggi, a leading saudi journalist, and former government adviser, came from humble roots. getting his first boost studying journalism at indiana state university. benefitting like many of his generation from a saudi government grant for u.s. education. returning home, he reported for sau saudi and regional newspapers. his first break came in the late '80s, an overseas assignment to a warzone, afghanistan. at the time saudi intelligence services were working with the cia to oust the soviets. a source close to khashoggi says he got to know many of the young saudi jihadists flocking to the fight including osama bin laden.
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he had connections and caught the attention of the then saudi intelligence chief. the pair became close despite khashoggi's sometimes critical reporti reporting. following the 9/11 attacks, khashoggi dared to ask the question few others would. why did 15 of our young men attack america in so brutal a way. in 2002, the saudi authorities battled code on the ed al qaeda streets. and he had a job advising turkey which made him use. in 2003 when turkey became ambassador to the uk and d.c. two years later, khashoggi followed him. eventually he returned to reporting. his criticism of the kingdom's conservative clerics would cost
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him his job. when crown prince salman a began his reforms, khashoggi was a fan, but he crossed an invisible line. >> i received a phone called onning me onning -- ordering me to go silent. no decree, just an official from the royal court who was close to the leadership and ordered me to be silent. that offended me. >> reporter: he fled saudi leaving his family behind writing for the "washington post." he praised the new crown prince, but also laid on his criticism more than he dared at home. >> salman the crown prince enjoys a great support and he is seen as praised. so he doesn't need this environment of intimidation, of
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cracking down on dissent. >> reporter: days before he disappeared, he told an interviewer that he didn't think he'd ever be allowed to return to saudi arabia. friends say that he knew the risks of angering the saudi establishment. he went to the consulate to get papers that would show his divorce so he could marry his turkish fiance. he had been apprehensive about the visit. in his disappearance, jamal khashoggi achieved the headlines he'd spent the past year trying to generate. public debate over the methods new saudi leaders seemed willing to use in their quest to retain power. >> that was nic robertson reporting. as we continue to do the leg work locally on getting to the bottom of where this investigation is at and what has happened to jamal, let's talk about the implications of
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khashoggi's disappearance. a senior research fellow from the international affairs research institutes chatham house is joining us. he has traveled extensively around this region. and today coming to you from london. your experience in the region on what is quite frankly this messy polarized geopolitical sort of mine field here, with that, how do you assess the consequences of what we are witnessing with this case? >> i think we're at a moment where we have a game changer moment. i mean this is significant. this is really profound. this is not an issue that i think could be swept under the carpet. it is not a small bump in the road. it is a major hazard right in the center of the road and it will be very difficult for the saudis to navigate around that and certainly the u.s. and certainly the united kingdom.
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>> so how do they do that? >> i mean, frairst of all, i gus we have to wait for the outcome of the investigation. the saudi response to date has been very difficult. it is surprising given that they have brought up so many different pr companies to really sort of message out. the silence has been problematic and very difficult for the united kingdom and for the u.s. they have really invested in this project, really invested in salman. sos there is s the so there is a lot at stake. the relationship is strong, but this is something that really needs to be addressed. >> as you describe the problematic approach by the saudis, i do want to ensure that we are getting all sides in on this. and we have been pushing riyadh
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for responses and stachts to what we ha -- to what we have been reporting and i want to ensure that we get the lines in here. so i'm going to repeat what we've had very recently from the saudis. minister of interior has affirmed the kingdom of saudi arabia's condemnation and denunciation of the false accusations circulated in some media on the saudi government and people against the background of evthe disappearan of jamal khashoggi. and he stressed what has been circulated about orders to kill him are lies. which very much speaks to the saudi and other gulf positions on that, that there are other assets around this region efforting the destruction as it were of relations with saudi and
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the u.s., the muddying of the waters so far as the reputation of saudi arabia. how do you read all of this? >> i mean, clearly there is a done flik conflict, a competition of narratives coming out. and that is a very messy way. we have very little evidence. all we know really is that jamal has disappeared. beyond that, we can sort of try to piece together the information and guess where that is tending. and that is why i'm saying i think it is very important that saudi arabia really does respond to this. this semi silence for a week has just left this gap in which others can sort of fill and speculation can fuel what is going on. whereas i think while this is a horrific case and really deserves to be better
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understood, we also need to be sort of thinking about the longer term implications of this. for saudi arabia itself, for the mbs project, where does that stand. and implications for the region and for its partners. >> none of this does any favors to as i say what is a complicateded a eand messy regi. neal, thank you, sir. natalie, for the time being, back to you. nothing says fall like a homecoming football game, so let's promote our fall travel deal on like this. touchdown. earn a free night when you stay just twice this fall. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at
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consulate in istanbul. cnn cannot verify that report. and now people are asking how one of these records audio and video anyway. our business technology correspondent samuel burke joining us to assess what is going on. and as we try to figure out what is going on, walk us through these latest lines. >> well, i think most importantly we have to know the context. this is a privately owned newspaper, but it is pro government. so real questions here are could this be possible. and did in fact the journalist have a watch on. now, we've been told by friends that they understand that he did have an apple watch on and i've been able to go through twitter and find a photo from may of this year where we see khashoggi with an apple watch on. and if i look closely, i see that there is a little red mark on it. that indicates that this is a third generation watch which means it does have data capabilities. that means that it can send
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information independently being connected to an iphone or not. the problem is officially apple says that they do not have data connectivity for apple watches in turkey. and unlike iphones, they can't roam. didn't mean it is impossible, but i think it makes it less likely that this is the scenario. there is always bluetooth. you know that they can connect without cellular connectivity back to an iphone. and we've been told that the fiance had one of his phones outside the consulate. that is a pretty big distance for something like this to work. bluetooth really doesn't work outside of about 50 feet usually. so i think that there is a pretty high bar here that all of these things would have to work. that at wi-fi connection was still going on. is it possible? yes, but we see inaccuracies in this report saying things like the saudis were able to use the
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journalist's fingerprint to get into the apple watch. well, apple watch didn't use fingerprints technology. and we've seen in other cases where there are missing people authorities try to use wearable devices and in fact sometimes do get evidence, heart rate, movements from people. i think it looks like a lot of things would have had to go perfectly in order for this to work and there are people skeptical thinking that maybe the turks don't want to talk about how they really got this evidence. was it actually from the apple watch or could it be from the equipment in the saudi consulate. but it is a scenario but i think it is unlikely. >> samuel burke is in london for you. i'm here in istanbul in turkey. the saudi consulate just some 20 minutes away from where we are broadcasting from where the investigation into jamal khashoggi's disappearance continues. natalie, back to you. >> thank you, becky.
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back now to washington. it has been a wild week for u.s. president donald trump. on monday he held a ceremonial swearing in for brett kavanaugh. this after a hard-fought contentious fight in the senate that bitterly divided the country. on tuesday, nikki haley's resignation as u.n. ambassador caught washington off guard. sources say it was unexpected but mr. trump insists he knew she was stepping down for months. she will stay on until january. on wednesday, hurricane michael hit, but that did not stop mr. trump from holding a rally in erie, pennsylvania. back in 2012, mr. trump criticized his predecessor barack obama for campaigning just after hurricane sandy. and on thursday of this week, the president hosted rapper kanye west who donned a make america great again hat and delivered a ten minute profanity
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filled rant in the oval office. and then friday u.s. pastor andrew brunson was released by turkish authorities. mr. trump says that he will meet with brunson later on saturday in washington. a plethora of things happening there for president trump. for analysis, i'm joined from london by a professor of government at the university of ethics. thank so much for talking with us and breaking some of this down. the president enjoyed having people he admires singing his praises from kavanaugh to haley, everyone c even kanye west, albeit a little bit profane. but is president trump considering some of these events finally on somewhat of a roll? >> well, i think this was a quintessential week for trump. one of his favorite things to do is engage with the media and also to give speeches and to campaign to his adoring fans.
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it can be fans that are at the rallies that just love hearing what he has to say. or even celebrities like kanye west. and even more recently with the recent supreme court confirmation of brett kavanaugh, he received more praise about his leadership. and heing adoring praise. you can say why would he campaign at a time when there was a massive hurricane hitting florida. but that gets to really at the heart of what trump really prefers to be doing with his time. he is essentially a reality star. he loves media attention. and he is pretty bored by the day to day monotonies of governing. >> and now that turkey has released the american pastor, mr. trump's base may be even more emboldened because of the success. after the kavanaugh hearing it seemed that democrats were working on to g-- working to ge
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out the vote. but republicans are doing the same now, aren't they? >> after the controversial confirmation of kavanaugh, it seems that both sides think that this confirmation will help them. the republicans are more emboldened, they feel that they can really speak to their base and that they really achieved something very significant, that now the demographics of the court are that it really leans more conservative and that is something that conservative voters were hoping for. but the democrats also, if you saw the impassioned speech from chuck schumer, were asking the people to get the vote out come this midterms. and the elections will be very close, but it is leaning that the hoist will use will go to t democrats and the senate will be retained by the republicans. >> and meantime another issue could come into play and that is the missing journalist. that story may hurt the president if he is seen as going light on what is a very serious
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issue involving murder allegedly by a country with close ties but some what questionable ties with the trump and kushner families as far as their business goes. we heard the republican senator lindsey graham say there will be hell to pay if saudi arabia is behind this, but we've only heard a luke warm response from the president. how important is it how he plays this story? >> well, it is hard to say because all the intelligence seems to be pointing that the saudis were directly involved in the murder of this journalist. and this is an incredible terrible atrocity that has taken place. and normally you would think a u.s. president would go after the country that was implicated in this and respond quite harshly. but he is so sensitive to this relationship with saudi arabia because he is worried as he's already stated that there is $110 billion at stake here in military weapon sales.
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he is concerned about his own individual business and financial interests in the country and in maintaining a strong relationship with saud even if it comes at the expense of what people may think. and i think he is betting on the fact that this is a story that is very important at the moment, but that another story may come up that will make people move on and past this story. just as the way he dealt with russia. when putin said that he wasn't involved in the elections, in manipulating the elections in the u.s., trump agreed and said i believe him. and then the story kind of moved on. >> right. mr. trump seemed to take the side of the russian over his own kin on that. we'll continue to watch it closely. we appreciate your insights. thank you for joining us. and that is "cnn newsroom." i'm natalie allen. we'll be right back with another hour for you. please keep it here. place, the xfinity xfi gateway.
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