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the saudis in jamal khashoggi's apparent murder, there is mounting pressure tonight for an american ally to come clean, yet the president has sided with the saudis, speculating that what he called rogue killers could be to blame. when secretary of state mike pompeo was asked about the investigation, he said this -- >> i don't want to talk about any of the facts. they didn't want to either. and that they want to have the opportunity to complete this investigation in a thorough way. >> he doesn't want to talk about the facts. well, facts matter. the truth matters. especially in this case. and we're learning more tonight about pompeo's meeting with the saudi crown prince. a source tells cnn it was very different behind the scenes. pompeo bluntly telling the prince to get their investigation of khashoggi's disappearance done quickly and to own what happened. secretary of state also reportedly telling the prince his future as king is at stake.
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but in the face of everything we have learned, the question remains, why is the president still siding with the saudis? i want to bring in now walter shaub and david k. johnson. david is, by the way, the author of "it's even worse than you think what the trump administration is going to america." gentlemen, good evening to both of you. david, you first. one question hanging over the president and why is there hasn't been swift action about khashoggi's apparent killing is if it has anything to do with his personal finances. so i want to listen to the president, him boasting about making millions from the saudis, and then we'll talk about it. >> saudi arabia -- i get along great from all of them, they spend 40 million, 50 million, they buy apartments from me. am i supposed to dislike them? i like them very much. >> so when you see the president's reaction now, david, how much should we take these previous statements into account? >> well, donald certainly likes people who put money in his pocket. there's no question about that, but i think this goes way beyond
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vinality. donald expressed admiration for murderous dictators like duterte in the philippines. he does not have the empathy of others and respect of law for most americans. that's at core here. he doesn't see something that's morally wrong in this murder, possibly living dismemberment of the victim. >> interesting. walter, i mean, wouldn't a lot of this be cleared up if the president had a fully -- a fully die vested, b, released his tax returns? >> yeah. i mean the original sin of this administration is that president retaining his financial interests, breaking with the tradition of all modern presidents to resolve their conflicts of interest. and having done that, he's made
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no effort to compensate for that breach of the status quo, by saying i'm going to be more transparent, and i'm going to show you my cards so you know what i have. the thing is, we've given him great power, so the burden is on him to meet the burden of proving to us that he's using power solely for our benefit. and there is so much we don't know because he's been absolutely non-transparent about his financial interest. >> david, trump sold the 45th floor of trump tower to saudi arabia for 4.5 million. that was a little bit ago. >> the trump world tower. that's a different building. >> okay. the trump world tower, right. and then we also know the saudis like to stay at his hotels. another example is a lobbying firm for saudi arabia paid trump's hotel in washington more than $270,000 between october of 2016 and march of 2017. we've seen other reports, too, david. do you think that the president
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is thinking about these transactions? >> well, he certainly is well inclined toward the saudis as he is to russian mobsters who put money in his pocket. the saudis get that because just this week they actually came through on their promise to put up $100 million to help the fight against isis in syria. that money, which had been due for some time just came this week. so things like that, they do influence him, don. but the larger, more important issue, is that, you know, saudi arabia is a country there is no decent. less than two years ago they beheaded 40 people for a peaceful protest, including a noted cleric. donald dreams about, he mused about being president for life. he talked about admiring people who kill their own citizens. so i really do believe this is a lot more than mere vinality.
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>> wow. that would be a long time for me to report on this for life. oh my gosh. walter, this is why the founders crafted the amal yumts clause. strict constitutionalist, strict constitutionalists. there are some. many members of the president's party, i should say, they don't apparently don't believe in the emoluments clause or the constitution. >> it's unfrrnt because throughout this administration congress could have stepped in and done some hearings or any kind of active oversight to reign him in. as it stands, a number of groups are having to sue the president to try to get him to comply with the emoluments clause in the constitution which was the original conflict of interest provision that our founders put into the constitution. i do disagree with david a
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little bit. i think that it's entirely possible that his financial interests are at least one of the motivations going on here. and that's because he has shown us time and again that he's willing to use the presidency for profit. he's actively touted his properties. and every trip he takes there is an advertisement for them. so he's done a lot to hide what his interests are from us. but the little bit we've been able to see has been consistent in his efforts to enrich himself from the presidency. now we have all of this reporting that there's an active stream of money from the saudis to him, where his hotels are basically just a funnel to shove more money down the tube to go straight to him, through this fake, blind trust that he set up. so, i think that the problem is we can't rule out that his financial interests are a factor. and he has certainly fallen short of meeting the burden of proving that it's not. and the burden is on him. >> can i get your response,
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david, about this washington post reporting president and the saudi royal family searching for an explanation of the death of khashoggi, one that avoids implicates mbs, according to analysts and officials that they've spoken to. the question is why is it simply to -- why are they doing it? simply to maintain the u.s./saudi arms deals? or do you think it's more personal? >> well, first of all, i agree with walter that that's certainly an element in this. you know, here we have the killers based on what we know from turkey are the security guard for mbs. his top security people around him, the top forensic doctor and they don't know who did this? sure, they're trying to come up with an excuse, an explanation. now that it's become a signal. they sent their signal. you're a saudi citizen anywhere in the world, you're not safe if you criticize the regime. secondly, how do they come up with some kind of a story that
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they can sell that has a patina of credibility in the world. i don't frankly see how they can do it. but with impunity, they do whatever they want in their own country at the very top. look at all of the wealthy retainers who were locked up as prisoners in the palace of the ritz carlton hotel. so, they got a real problem with coming up with a story. and donald trump certainly helped him when he put out this nonsense that they were rogue agents. >> david walter, thank you so much. i appreciate your time. >> thanks. the deputy attorney general is speaking candidly. rod rosenstein says the mueller investigation has proven a widespread effort by russians to interfere in the 2016 election. more on that and what he's saying about his relationship with the president. that's next. (music throughout)
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deputy attorney general rod
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rosenstein giving a full throated defense of the on going investigation of russian interference. good evening. laura, in this interview, rosenstein defends the investigation. he says the investigation is appropriate and independent. let me just read part of it. people are entitled to be frustrated. i can accept that. at the end of the day, the public will have confidence that the cases we brought were warranted by the evidence and that is -- and that it was an appropriate use of resources. is he sending a message? how do you read? >> well, i read it that he is willing to go in direct contrast of what the president of the united states has been saying all along, this is a witch hunt. it's a waste of time and resources. they're unfounded. he's essentially saying that, no, the american people will realize with through the presentation of the evidence, perhaps talking indictments these are issued, perhaps a forthcoming report that everything that they have been able to talk about and been investigating up to this point was warranted. and also talking about the
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evidence. you don't present evidence of things that have not happened. i suspect there are forthcoming indictments coming after the midterm elections. more importantly, he realizes that his time at the deputy attorney general post may be coming to an end if jeff sessions' job is coming to an end, and he wants to instill the confidence that may not be there if he were to leave. >> interesting. so, julia, i want to read another portion from the "wall street journal" piece. okay? rosenstein says -- i committed i would ensure the investigation was appropriate and independent and reached the right result whatever it may be. i believe i have been faithful to that. so, why do you think rosenstein is doing this interview now? i mean, how do you read it? >> so, one is that there was a story this morning that he was probably reacting to suggesting that there was frustration with the pace of the investigation and that there was going to be
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some report immediately after the elections. and i think a lot of us read that and thought, where is that coming from? i think part of it he just wants to say, look, these investigations take as long as we need them to take. and if you look at the last two weeks cnn reporting, they're actually moving pretty part. manafort met with the special counsel nine times now. there's grand juries still convening. they're trying to figure out, let's not forget this, what they're trying to get out of president trump. he once said he wanted to testify and now he clearly doesn't want to. i put this in the context of defense in terms of homeland security. i put what he said in the context of what secretary of homeland security said last week, which is that they are monitoring a lot of attempts of hacking and other efforts on state and local election systems. so, what we have to remember is what this investigation is about is russia essentially destroying our democracy, making us not have confidence in it, and that
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war, so to speak, is continuing. and that this investigation is intended to unearth anyone who helped them but to also name and shame the russians. so, it's not just the legal issue. it's the national and homeland security issue, too. >> what i thought was interesting, laura, you said that you think more indictments are going to be coming. you gave a timeline about it. but dozens of people have sbn charged, some very high profile people connected to the president. and they are cooperating. >> that's true. of course, if you look at the type of cases that had been brought, they fit into different categories. those who were the russian trolls that began with. those trying to insert misinformation to increase divisive rhetoric. part of that people named in those -- that lawsuit, which is of course a talking indictment, not going to get those people back from russia for any reason at any time, but they're talking about americans who may have been of assistance in some way but nobody was ever named. yet you still have the roger stone members and associates and
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teams who were being brought before grand juries or talked to or subpoenas sought for them. you still have people cooperating, like michael flynn who continues to have his sentencing postponed and michael cohen who is involved in a separate part of the investigation. and of course paul manafort is now -- and of course his own rick gates, former right hand man. so you have all these people who are still on the hook with the collusion investigation and with mueller's probe, who would fit into probably the third category and perhaps the most intriguing and interesting to the american people because those are the people who the government has jurisdiction over, who mueller's team could actually prosecute, not just a talking indictment. so i think you have this category that's out there and looming that is giving more confidence based on rosenstein's own comments about, listen, we will be warranted in the reason why you bring these prosecutions. and that third category has yet to be unearthed. >> uh-huh. she mentioned michael cohen.
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so jewel yarks let's talk about michael cohen. i wonder how much trouble or maybe how worried the president should be because here is what the reporting is, right -- is that the administration or the president and his people are more concerned. their big concern really is what's happening in the southern district of new york. >> that's right. that would be untouchable by whatever, mostly untouchable by whatever changes might occur to rosenstein. i think for a long time, i guess michael cohen has been demoted to like, you know, caterer. i don't know what he is anymore. >> he's a freelance temp hired by a temp agency. >> right. >> came in to do a little stenography every once in a while. >> that's right. but whatever he was, he actually did have a lot of documents. those have been raided and those have been taken in fbi sweeps. that's going to have a lot of information about the sort of -- the business side of the trump
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legacy and the institution and the businesses. i will say, don't forget, michael cohen is also mentioned in the steel dossier. michael cohen crosses both boundaries between the financial thing and, of course, the collusion. and so, there's just going to be a lot of evidence. if i could just add one more thing, there's another character, all these ms, michael cohen, mike flynn and now you have don mcgahn, the white house counsel who left the white house today. he has -- we do know by new york times today he met with mueller and talked to them. not clear how much the white house knew about that. he's now free. and he was intimately involved with the beginnings of this, the comey firing and other issues. so there's another player out there who may or may not be -- who we don't know what his allegiance will be or whether he'll start talking. so this thing, you know, it's just -- it unwinds and it's like a web. it just keeps exposing more things. so everyone take a deep breath. this is how investigations are.
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>> you're right. there's a lot of ms, manafort, mcgahn, michael cohen, michael flynn, mueller. >> that's right. >> wow. >> jared kushner does not have an m. >> middle name could be michael. i don't know what his middle name is. thank you. thank you. president trump promoting a culture of cruelty? a culture of cruelty? my next guest says that for the president supporters, callousness is critical to his success. discover. i like your card, but i'm absolutely not paying an annual fee. discover has no annual fees. really? yeah. we just don't believe in them. oh nice. you would not believe how long i've been rehearsing that. no annual fee on any card. only from discover. hi. i'm misha.
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and you wrote, trump's only true skill is the con. his only fundamental belief is that the united states is the birth right of straight, white christian men and really only authentic pleasure is in cruelty. it's that cruelty and the delight it brings them that binds his most ardent supporters to him in shared scorn for those they hate and fear. immigrants, black voters, feminists and treasonist white men who empathize with any of those who would steal their birthright. that is pretty strong. you say it's a shared scorn. but what is this ugliness say about the president and the people who go along with it? >> well, i want to clarify it. i'm talking about the people who go to the rallies and the president holds up a victim of sexual assaults and jeers and mocks her. >> i'm glad you said that because you're not referring to every trump supporters. >> no. i'm talking about a very
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specific subset of trump voters. and i think that anybody who has ever been the new kid at a school knows how this works. everybody gangs up on you. they're mean to you and they become closer friends and you're the person on the outside. and it's basically that dynamic only it's in national politics. it's something that's embedded in human nature, but until -- until now we haven't had a politician who revels in exploiting that part of human nature. and i think it's taking the country to a dark place. >> adam hits the nail on the head. it reminded me of two words that you see a lot on the internet, and that's liberal tears. like, there's a whole genre of conservative infoaiinment people are trying to make liberals scream and cry. and they laugh about it, right? liberal tears. they laugh as they drink it. the cruelty is the point of that. and it really has gone mainstream in a way that's bigger than the people that just
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go to trump's rallies. >> yeah. why do you think the president resorts so often to being just mean and mocking and den grading people? >> well, there's a couple of points. the first is, this is the same donald trump that he's been his entire life. so i don't know why we are shocked now. i mean, this is the person we talked about during the campaign trail. he came down the escalator criticizing mexican immigrants and calling them rapists. we can go back in his past and look at his discriminatory practices and look at his father's businesses and those practices. this is the same man who we thought he was. and so, i don't understand the outrage today. that's first. the second thing is, there's an entire generation of americans, especially black americans in this country, a lot of women in this country, a lot of gay americans in this country, who are sitting back and saying, wait a minute, this isn't anything new under the sun. this is the way that we've been treated decade upon decade upon
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decade. so we're not that long ago. it wasn't that long ago that we were talking about bull conner in 1968. so there's an entire generation. this isn't the nadier. this isn't as dark as it can possibly be. that's second. and third, the only way this stops, me and you, don, we can sit on tv and we can call out the racism, the sexism, the bigotry, the misogamy, but until -- i want to be extremely clear, until white evangelical men have the fortitude to speak out against this behavior, then nothing is going to change. and so, i think those three points kind of summize where we've been. it's a dark place, but we've been to darker places. the resiliency of these people, we keep rising up. >> this is the kind of behavior and rhetoric and tone and tactic that the president is using today as president of the united
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states. he used while he was a businessman. he used on the campaign trail. he is using today. and, the reality is, a lot of people that voted for him new exactly what they were getting when they voted for him. and he won the presidency any way. i'm not saying it makes it right or it makes it good. that's the reality. and i'm glad that adam pointed out that this -- what he's describing in this piece, it is a very good, very well-written piece. it really shines a light on a really disturbing trend here. but the key is, it is a very, very small facet of trump voters. it is a very -- as he said, it's the very base of who he is. and he says it connects the base. i think it -- >> they are the loudest voices alice. >> a very small sub sect of his supporters. but what really connects trump supporters and republicans and conservatives is the policy. i think while there's a lot of hateful rhetoric and lot of hateful tone out there, what contacts -- the republicans i
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know and the conservatives i know are the policies that he represents. we don't appreciate the tone and tactic. we appreciate the policies that he's putting forward and executing as president. >> let me ask -- >> but i completely understand that, though. my only pushback to that, alice, is that there are a lot of us who -- first of all, everybody who supports trump is not a bad person. i can't wait to see the clips on other stations -- >> it's always out of context. i don't bother anymore. >> but all trump supporters are not bad people by any stretch of the imagination. >> they're not, bakari. i know where you're going with this. they're not. but they certainly overlook a lot. what does that say? >> they overlook a lot. i don't understand how you overlook misogamy, sexism, racism. i don't understand how you can just sit back and say, you know what, all of that is okay because i'm going to get all of these judges elected or get a tax break. i just think that there is --
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that's not what it means to be american. for some reason i feel like you have to stand up to that and say this is not who we are. but because we get a bill passed we pat them on the back. >> that was the point i was -- i wanted to make. maybe adam or amanda can -- because there were, what, how many, 17 or 19 however many people up there on the stage with donald trump who would have probably had very similar, even if not more conservative legislative agendas than he had, but they didn't vote for them. they voted for their cruel person who demeans and diminishes people over someone who is going to do the exact same thing but doesn't speak. ted cruz is by far more conservative donald trump and would have appointed far more conservatives than donald trump. they didn't vote for him. he's a republican. you answer that, amanda. >> yeah. it was an intensely negative election. and instead of being an
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aspirational party we dove full on into negative partisanship. i think people, republican base, were so dead set against hillary clinton and we can argue about how valid that was or not, they wanted someone who would go at her using all tools on the battlefield, whether they were ethical or not. >> i got to go. stand by, everyone. all right? more reports of possible voter suppression in georgia. we need to talk about this. this time involving a bus full of black citizens on their way to vote. higher! higher! parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again.
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have been flying in georgia where democrat stacy abrams and brian kemp are running for governor. on monday, some 40 black residents of a senior living resident center were told to get off a bus taking them to vote. a county clerk reportedly called the center raising concerns about allowing the bus to take residents away from the center in the city of louisville, which is south of augusta. well, the seniors agreed to get off the bus but were eventually able to vote later. so let's discuss now, back with me adam, alice, bakari and amanda. i couldn't believe this story when i read it. but bakari, what do you think when you saw the story? >> you know, what year is this? it's amazing to me the length that some individuals will go, whether or not we're talking about brian kemp in georgia or an organization like alec and
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voter id. to keep people from exercising their franchise. and i think that especially these voters who had to be pulled off the bus. they are of a generation who understands the value of the right to vote and the price paid. and so i think that a lot of times my friends on the right, my republican friends on the right, play games with this franchise. but there is so much pain and blood and tears and sweat that go into these individuals of color in this generation having to get that right to vote. so that county clerk has another thing coming for her if she thinks they just going to go home. they're not. nothing is going to keep them from the polls. but this is the story that we need to be covering more than what's going on in donald trump's head. because we need to make sure that everyone has access to the ballot box. this is absurd. i mean, what year are we talking about? if you read the article, you would think it's 1963. >> adam, this is the same state
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where 53,000 voter registration, many of them african-american folks were frozen by the attorney general himself, a candidate for governor against the democrats there astay abrams. kemp, he ordered the registrations held because of slight problems with their paperwork. what is going on here, do you think? >> well, look, this is a country where we make it exceedingly hard to vote. we do that because historically the country of the united states of america has not wanted black people or poor people to vote. so they've thrown up obstacles. no other country in the world does this. no other country deliberately makes it hard to vote or throws all these weird mechanics in there where you might end up disenfranchised on election day because you didn't dot an i or cross a t. this is a feature not a bug. what year is it? it's a couple years where john robert and the supreme court struck down the voters right act. as soon as that happened, it was open season. look, this is a historical
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tradition. like i said, we deliberately make it hard for people to vote so that particular people don't vote. this is not a surprise. this is the system that the country has chosen to have for itself. it's unjust. it's wrong. >> go ahead, alice. >> in arkansas, the elections were critical importance to the office, as they are of secretary of states across the country. the integrity of voter rolls is critical to free and fair elections. what happened in georgia was an effort to make sure that the voters' names and information was accurate in order to have an accurate election. i don't see why anyone would have a problem to make sure that the right people vote in the right locations and in the right places. and that's -- >> by pulling over a bus, alice? >> no, no no. that's not what she's talking about. she's talking about the registrations. >> i'm talking about the -- >> voter rolls. >> the 53,000 names on the voter
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rolls. >> the explanation is sometimes the names are hard for people at the clerk of courts office to spell and many instances african-americans have nontraditional names, so they may be spelled wrong. so, so what? that's what i don't understand. >> you don't say so what. make sure it's correct. >> it's a red herring. it's a red herring because -- >> this is a false argument. it's so rare. thank you. because somebody's name is t' shawn that and you get there and your name is t with no apostrow fi shawna. that does not happen. people talk about voter id in the need for voter id. that does not happen. i mean, we're fixing a problem that does not exist. let's open up more elections on saturdays. let's make it a national holiday. thank you. this is -- i understand integrity. i don't know what we're doing.
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we're prohibiting people from voting. >> amanda, the state official who ordered the elderly people off the bus, the county official, said that it wasn't -- the center wasn't supposed to be political. >> i would like to hear the perspective of someone who was on the bus. it looks bad obviously if a bunch of seniors want to go vote, obviously we want to make it easy for them to go. it wasn't clear this was a planned activity. i understand people are concerned about a bunch of seniors getting on a bus and going to go vote, maybe not coming back by lunch time. i'm open to hearing that argument be flushed out some more. i want to hear from somebody that was there, you know? >> what about the integrity of the voter rolls? >> oh, yeah. listen, we've got to get some kind of consensus in this country on how we have an accepted form of voter id. like, of course, we got to make sure that the people who are voting do live in that district where they're voting and that gets really complicated
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gerrymandering. i think that's more complicated issue than these exact voter laws. we have to have some kind of consensus. can't show up with no id. it can't be that. you have to jump through 10,000 hoops in order to vote. we have to find a consensus. >> stick around, everybody. we have a lot to talk about. we'll talk about senator ted cruz being heckled in public again. are protests like these effective or feed right into the gop talking points about angry, democratic mobs or as they say democrat mobs. bad grammar. introducing ore-ida potato pay. where ore-ida golden crinkles are your crispy currency to pay for bites of this... ...with this. when kids won't eat dinner, potato pay them to. ore-ida. win at mealtime.
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president and his party have a new favorite talking point, using the term angry mob to try to paint democrats as out of control and a threat.
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but are they playing right into their hands? >> do you believe in a man lying about his alcohol in front of the senate? do you believe in perjury? >> thank you for expressing your first amendment rights. >> so why do you support a man that abuses women? shame on you, ted cruz. >> god bless you, ma'am. >> shame on you, ted cruz. shame on you, ted cruz! >> that was senator ted cruz being heckled by protesters angry about his support of brett kavanaugh. and it's not the first time that senator ted cruz has taken heat for it. >> we believe survivors. we believe survivors. we believe survivors. >> excuse me. let my wife through. >> we believe survivors. we believe survivors. we believe survivors. we believe survivors. >> a crowd of chanting protesters drove cruz and his wife heidi out of a washington,
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d.c. restaurant friday. just ask mitch mcconnell if these are backfiring? >> our base is fired up. we finally discovered the one thing that would fire up the republican base. the virtual mob that's assaulted all of us in the course of this process has turned our so is that what this is all about? firing up the base? let's discuss now. adam's back, bakari, and amanda. ama amanda, you worked for ted cruz. this is the second time he's been confronted like this in public. i think he had a good response, kprz yo exercise your first amendment right. >> that's no big deal, that's a day in the life of any public official. you can see he wasn't phased by
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that. the restaurant thing, ted cruz doesn't care about that. he knows he doesn't take off the senator hat when he goes to have dinner with his wife. like, it's uncomfortable to see. that said when mitch mcconnell is talking ability this backfiring, he's not talking about that. he's talking about the kavanaugh hearings where there were 20 million people, and tay saw protester after protester getting hauled out by the capitol police, interrupting a hearing a lot of people wanted to watch. so i think that's where mitch mcconnell feels they had some success because those hearings in particular, the protesters interrupting over and over again, that did have a galvanizing affect on the base. >> adam, do you think these kind of confrontations play right into the gop's hands? >> i'm not losing sleepover it.
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this is the united states of america. this is not medieval europe. we don't have to respect the representatives of the crown. if you're an elected official and you don't like people getting mad at you in public, then you should find another job. because as ted cruz said these are people expressing their first amendment rights. and nonviolence is important, but other than that, you're not even required to be polite to these people. they work for you. if people want to get a little heated, a little angry, that doesn't bother me at all. particularly given the history of this country, even going back to founders day these guys were saying horrible things about each other. i think the civility thing is a little overblown. and as far as the president is concerned there are two modes he accepts and anything else he's going to say is illegitimate. >> don, i think the problem with this to amanda's point, look, public officials realize when
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they're in public office they're going to be questioned on things they do. but taking to the private life in airports and restaurants, and he's not the only one, sarah huckabee sanders were also victims of this, not seeing instances where republican and conservatives are going screaming in the faces of democrats and liberal elected officials because republicans realize if you're angry and you're mad as hell and you don't want to take it anymore you go to the ballot box and vote these people out of office. and if liberals would take their energy and channel it in that direction instead sof screaming it at people they'd be a lot more effective. >> well, we did see that in 2008. >> when the democrats were in power, when president obama was in power it was a tee party screaming and saying -- and they were self-admitted members of an angry mob. they said it themselves. and i don't want this to get
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misc misc misconstrued, you're right, amanda, it's waffle. no one would want to be in that position, but you are a public official. no one should pea putting their hands on anyone, blocking you, touching your property. but if you're a public official and someone screams something or asks something in public, don't be so oppressionest, answer them or do what ted cruz and say thank you for expressing your first amendment right or i'll tell you how i feel about that the next time i'm on the sen floor or call my office. >> once things get violent and police have to start intervening. >> not right, no good. >> that's when you can't do it. and i think that's the difference with the kavanaugh hearings. listen, i worked on capitol hill. the level of disorder and chaos that has escalated in the past couple of years and stunning. the hundreds and hundreds of people that get arrested. and it really burns me to see
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celebrities get a pho photo-op arrest that burns me to no end. let's keep that by not abusing it. >> i want to get the sound bite in, but listen to this. this is for you, bakari, watch this. this is the president. >> i need your help this election day, november 6th, to stop the radical democrat mob in their quest for power. the radical democrats have turned into an angry mob. you don't hand matches to an arsonist and you don't give power to an angry left wing mob, and that's what the democrats are becoming. >> real quick, bakari, the hill reporting two republicans have been saying they have been basically attacked in the past few days by people angry at their politics. go on. should this continue? >> conservative tears.
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look, what you're seeing is you're seeing people expressing their first amendment right. and we were talking about as long as it's not nonviolent, civil disobedience, you're protesting, that's fine. it's not a violent mob. just two years ago we were talking about a rally of donald trump where people were punching people in the face, pushing people that were protesting. that looked more like a mob than anything else. is it going to be beneficial? i think we're looking way too deep in this to see if it's going to have any political repercussions. i'm not sure that's the case. but ted cruz handled it appropriately. if he's at an airport or restaurant and people have a way he's voting, they have a right to voice that and that's what they're doing. so it's uncomfortable, but protest is uncomfortable. >> thank you all. thanks for watching. our coverage continues. (music throughout)
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