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right? the nice part is she's disconnecting herself is the biggest danger is in the rear-view mirror. >> and she did say she wanted to make some money. thanks for joining us for "inside politics." check out our podcast and hope tos you back here sunday morning, up early, 8:00. have a great weekend. "wolf" starts right now. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. thanks very much for joining us. any moments now former trump campaign chairman paul manafort will appear in court. you're looking at live pictures coming in from the federal court in northern virginia. this time in his green detention uniform after a federal judge denied his request to simply wear a business suit. manafort could learn when he'll be formally sentenced for his eight tax fraud and bank crime
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convictions. we are learning his's spent a significant amount of time with rob mueller and his special counsel team. cnn's kara scannell joins us from outside the courthouse. what are we expecting? >> reporter: when the hearing gets under way in about a half hour, we're expecting him to show up for the first time since conviction in august. the judge denied his request to wear a sued and tie. he this judge likes to move thing along so we might learn
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from additional --, has been in with them at least nine times in the past four weeks. we may learn more about that today. the other issue on the table is what happens to the ten counts that the jury hung on, and the judge is pressing the prosecutors to decide to drop those charges or say they might retry manafort. prosecutors have initially wanted to leave that on the table so they could use that as leverages over manafort. they acquiesced to the judge, saying they would be okay dropping that as long athey are able to -- the judge is expected to take it up about 1:30, and then we should learn the sentencing date which could be by the end of the year. >> thank you very much, kara. we'll touch base once you get more information.
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kara scannell on the scene for us. joining us former federal prosecutor and legal analyst laura coates, and sara murray. the report is he's met multiple times now with mueller and his team, presumably provide something pretty useful information. s in a significant development. >> it is. i think one of the thing that will be interesting to see is whether the judge can fehr et out any details about just how much cooperation he's given, how useful he's been to prosecutors so far. we don't have a good sense right now of what kind of information manafort is providing mueller's team. we know he worked on the campaign during key moments, and he also had his own private interactions with a number of ukrainian officials and also ties to russians that we know that mueller is interested in. so it's a big question, what exactly mueller could be provides, but you pointed out it
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is voluminous. >> in the scheme of things, does it make any difference, laura, if they drop those ten charges that the jury couldn't agree on, whether or not they decide to retry him? >> it largely won't move the needle for sentencing. you also have the charges he pled guilty to in washington, d.c. as well. he's looking at serving time in prison. what moves the needle is whether or not the prosecutors will opt to have a lesser sentence and sigh due to his cooperation we'd like an allocution that's more favorable had we had a full conviction. 18 counts is a significant number of counts. the judge will say it's not about how you're cooperating over the overall collusion probe, but why do you want to relay your own representations to me. or is it more per peck tiff? this is a judge who already told the prosecution he didn't want the judge to try to make a case
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related to trump simply based on the non -- or even presented before. it would be a lot of inside, by why the judge wants a delay if at all. >> how much pressure is mueller under right now, shawn, to wrap this up relatively only, by the ends of this year or next year. >> rod rosenstein has said he's not given mueller a deadline, but i think there's indication that mueller does feel some pressure. i don't think that will impact the investigation in any way, but mueller is spending a significant amount of time with certain witnesses. what that tells us is he's getting to the point in the investigation where he's checking, rechecking facts that he's already gathered. he's looking for inconsistencies and information he's already pulled together. mueller is taking his time. he's very methodical, smart about this, i don't think he feels as though he has to rush.
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but i think there's a clear understanding that he's probably getting to the finish line here. >> i also hear sometimes this misconception that mueller would like to keep this going on forever and ever. this is not a guy who has any life of his own at this point. he's constantly being criticized. he doesn't speak publicly. as you pointed out, he is very methodical, but he's logging in really long hours right now on an investigation he knows is divisive. >> and by the way, he's done a great deal. he's had indictments coming out. he has talked about the russian trolls as another category, another category are the members of the russian community and named americans who may have been imply i in some way, though not identified. you do have a sense that though
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people are not patient, he's not twiddling his thumbs wondering about how long to prolong it. part of the delay, by the way are the president's own comments that delays are the aspects that invite more scrutiny, and also delay in cooperation. >> he's been very impressive in trying to keep as low a profile publicly as he possibly can. >> and his team has been phenomenal at making sure the information about the investigation is not leaking out. i think it will be interesting to see what happens as we get through the election. it looks like he's wrapping up and there's a whole dynamic of whether they will release the report to the public, but i think muler understands this is an extremely important moment in our history. for him, he's at a point where he's making sure that he's checking all the boxes and making sure the work his team does is absolutely unquestionable in terms of its professionalism. >> rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, will be
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meeting next week with lawyers up on capitol hill, but a lot of these sort of freedom caucus republicans, they're really going after him. they want him out. >> i know. you know, a lot of the rank and file are upset, and it turns out the meeting will be republican and democratic leadership of the committee, so some of the fiercest critics will not be in this closed-door session, they are planning to release a scrubbed transcript after the fact, and rod rosenstein knows he's in a divot position. he needs to stand out there and defend the integrity on the investigation, on the other hand he does serve at the pleasure of the president. he knows that the president is as frustrated with the he investigation as people are with rod rosenstein. >> everybody assumes that jeff sessions immediately after the midterm elections is out of there, but what about rod rosenstein? >> the assumption is -- remember, rod rosenstein may
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serve at the pleasure of the president, but he only oversees the collusion probe, so if jeff sessions is no longer the attorney general, they need to have this interim person oversees the russia probe in the stead of jeff sessions, also goes away, so in many ways you kill two birds with one stone. if you're the president saying i already have some real reluctance to keep jeff sessions on board, i'm already angry with the way he refused himself. i can make it rosenstein is obsolete. he could accomplish two things, and it wouldn't be shocking to anyone if jeff sessions what nong her the attorney general, which i think is why rosenstein has been deliberate in saying, listen, you will find the american public to have a lot of faith in the outcome of the investigations and that our investigation was meritorious, because i think he sees the writing on the wall. >> there's one other aspect that we're not talking about. we've been talking about whether
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rosenstein was going to go, and we know the president wants sessions gone, but i went back and looked at what jeff sessions said in his recusal. there's going to be a report that's going to be turned in. doj has the responsibility to determine whether or not that report is ever released to the public. there is this question whether or not that recusal extends to the decision to release that report. >> the assumption has been rosenstein would make that decision, what to submit to congress, what to make public, and it wouldn't go to sessions, that's been the assumption, but the report is done, the recusal may or may not continue with regard to the decision. >> interesting point. thank you, guys, very very much. just ahead turkish investigators now releasing new details on the saudi hit squad that they believe came into the country to kill jamal khashoggi. plus president trump praising a u.s. congressman for assaulting and body slamming a
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where you are on the investigation? where do things stand right now? >> well, we're learning interesting new details, wolf, and this is happening as turkish authorities are finally sitting down to take statements and interview some of the various employees who work at the saudi consulate. they're expected to wrap up their investigation in the coming days. but essential we're learning from several sources that turkish intelligence officials knew win hours of khashoggi's disappearance he had likely been abducted, or's it turned out likely murdered. we're learns that after his fiancee raised the alarm, she reached out to an official who rushed to the airport guy, and got on the plane taking half of the saudi contingency back to riyadh to search the plane.
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they were already aware after that stage that something very serious had happened, instead, to the point, wolf, they actually asked the man in charge of the x-ray machine at the airplane if it would have been likely that human body parts would have shown up on the scan when those saudi bags went through. so becoming clear that they knew from the very get-go, within hours, arguably they had already heard that tape that something desperately bad had happened to khashoggi, yet they did wait for five days before going public with the story. our understanding is they wanted to give the saudis enough time to give their version of events to present of turks with a clear and coherent narrative and cooperate. it was only when that didn't happen that they decided to go with the more public option and start talking publicly about what had happened. meanwhile, of course, we are all still waiting to hear when the saudis may offer their side of the story. so far no indication of when
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that will happen, wolf. >> clarissa, thanks for all the terrific reporting in turkey. appreciate it very much. president trump meanwhile, has been cautioned to proceed slowly with regard to saudi arabia. that advice coming from his special adviser, his son-in-law jared kushner, who's telling the president to ignore pressure from capitol hill. let's go to capitol hill right now, and senator patrick leahey is joining us. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> the president told reporters he's waiting for results in the different investigations. i assume the u.s. is doing some sort of investigation as well do you know specifically if the fbi has been called in to investigate this murder? >> i don't know if the fbi has been called in. it's obvious it was a murder. i think ms. ward, who just spode
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from turkey, laid it out pretty clearly. i'm a former prosecutor. this is pretty cut-and-dried. we know mr. khashoggi walked into the consulate. the saudi consulate, and never came out. yet the two airplanes full of people had come in just before him, suddenly fly out of there. it doesn't take a genius to know he met a very bad end in the consulate. i think to sit around and wait for the saudis to try to come up with some kind of story, that's alice in wonderwonderland. he was murdered in the saudi consulate. we know that, and under certain acts, we ought to take steps against the saudis. they lied to us about yemen.
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they lied to us about the civilian casualties, and anything we have heard so far has not been the truth from the saudis. they just lie. >> let me read to you the last line of an open her from you. if mr. khashoggi was tortured and murdered by or with the knowledge of the saudi government, it will be long past time to treat the saudi royal family as the criminal enterprise that it is. your words. so what would you want the u.s. to do? >> i don't use words like that easily. we can cut back on the banking, visas, certainly we have the ability to block arms sales. we should have done that after they lied to us about the civilian casualties in yemen. i think the saudis feel that
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they have friends in the trump administration and they can do whatever they want, and the united states will give in. can you imagine how donald trump would act if they had had a picture of barack obama bowing to them as they put a gold necklace around his neck? or dancing with a sword in his hand for the saudis? that's what donald trump did. barack obama never would have done that. let mess get your thoughts from what happened last night, president trump praising the candidate for body slamming a journalist. i want you to listen to this clip, and then we'll get your reaction. >> greg is smart. by the way, never wrestle him. you understand that?
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never. any guy that can do a body slam, he's my candidate. i had heard that he body slammed a reporter. and he was way up. and this was like the day of the election or just before. i go, oh, this is terrible, he's going to lose the election. but then i said, wait a minute, i know montana well, i think it might help him, and it did. what do you think about the president celebrating an attack on a journalist? >> i think it's terrible. i've been here since president ford, republicans and democrats, i cannot imagine any president of the united states saying
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anything so irresponsible the fifth amendment is one of the greatest protections we have, freedom of speech. in other countries, they do attack reporters, they do body slam reporters. we should not be encouraging that. we should be the beacon of freedom. it demeans the united states, it demons or constitution, and it's wrong. we are different than dictatorships and totalitarian governments, because we have a free press, and every president, republican or democrat, should be defending and supporting our free press, even when it criticizes him. >> yeah, talk like that clearly sends an awful message to bad people around the world. senator, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank st. louis coming up,
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is low, the president on the road with a new rallying cry. >> this will be an election of kavanaugh, the caravan, law and order, and common sense. that's what it's going to be. it's going to be an election of those things. meanwhile, tempers flared over at the white house over how to stop the surge of southern border crossings. two sources tell cnn that the chief of staff john kellie and the security adviser john bolton had a shouting match that was so loud it could be heard through the west wing. >> indicakaitlyn, do we know th today? >> the white house is trying to downplay the fight.
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it was heard by a great number of staffers and say it's not your average fight, even for a west wing like this one, that is divisive and bitter. they say this was different, especially with the national security adviser challenging the chief of staff, someone who has embattled and weakened for a few months because of his relationship with president trump, but john bolton knew what he was doing when he got into the argument. he went after a sore spot, which is the dhs secretary kiersten nielsen, someone considered to be a protege of john can ellie. he was the one that convinced president trump to nominate her. bolton knew, i'm told but sources, if he brought her up that she wasn't doing a good enough job, it would appeal to president trump, and it did. president trump sided with john bolton over the remark. so certainly the tensions are high, not just between staffers, but clearly we see that
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immigration is something that president trump, as you saw, in that crip from his rally in misdemean montana last night, is he want to -- and if some 'fight, a how do you think the president reacts when he sees the two top aides duking it out. not physically, but -- we're told he was there these for part of that argument. >> and sided with bolton, according to our reporting. i would think most presidents would react to this poorly, fighting among aides that sort
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of leaks out into the public. donald trump is not most presidents. i always remind people who, when given the opportunity to create his ideal boardroom set up the apprentice, in which he was it is big boss, and those who didn't do the task came in and begged for mercy, and then he fired someone. he said he likes to watch the aides fight, so i think he's not at all union set that they fought. he may be upset about it leaking out. we know he doesn't like leaks. so maybe that piece of it, but don't assume that dissension and chaos and conflict is something he looks down upon. he likes it. only 18 days to go to the miss terms. listen to this. >> the choice could not be more clear. democrats produce mobs.
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republicans produce jobs. >> you have a terrific piece in politico, democrats, maybe calm down a bit, it's not a lock they'll take the house of representatives. >> the general consensus is democrats will take the house, but it sounds like there's been a lot of enthusiasm since the confirmation of kavanaugh, such that a lot of analysts say the republicans have about a 30% chance of keeping the chamber. imagine that. they're saying a number of races they had taken off the board they're putting back on the board, and a number of democratic investors have pulled -- our republican districts where the democrat is actually now losing to the republican. so there's definitely a chance here. what you're seeing from the president is he is trying to keep this enthusiasm going. if they have any prayer of doing this, they needs to get trump voters to the polls.
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one of the reasons they want to crack down at the border. other things are like work requirements for food stamps, trying to make it a choice do you want to impeach the president, or do you want, you know, results, as they say? tax cuts, et cetera. so they're painting it as that choice. >> it will be dramatic. everybody stand by. president trump took a swipe at michael cohen, calling him a minor, ineffective member of the trump world, but michael cohen is firing back with a surprising message of his own. i take it, m.j., you had a chance to catch one michael cohen? tell us about that. >> reporter: that's right, we just cause up with michael cohen outside his manhattan home. even though a brief interview, his message was clear. he wants the american people to go out and vote against president trump. take a listen.
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>> reporter: how have you been doing? >> i'm okay. i'm okay. >> reporter: your lawyers say you're in and out a democrat. what made you do that? >> i've been a democrat pretty much my whole entire life. i switched because of the request from the rnc. >> reporter: and you tweeted over the weekend the election would be the most important. get out and vote. >> listen. here's my recommendation, grab your family u. year friends, your neighbors, get to the polls if not you'll have another two or six years of this craziness. make sure you vote. >> reporter: we know that you had meetings with investigators yesterday, anything about that? now, wolf, this was remarkable for a number of reasons. one of the reasons is he hasn't been openly talking to the media
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for a very long time, particularly because he had been in so much legal trouble. the fact he was willing to say this on the record, on camera, basically telling the american people you need to go out and vote against the president or else, we are going to see two or six mohr years of this craziness, those were his words, that is really fascinating this is a part of this bigger evolution we've been reporting on over the last couple months. this man who was so loyal to the president, now doing a complete 180, and making it clear that he is not on his team anymore, and he actually is willing, as you see here and in our previous reporting, he is willing to be the person to go out and say he will need to take this man out of the white house. i tried to ask about meetings with investigators, and he
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obviously ignored those questions, but that's a very central part of this narrative. michael cohen has made it clear, he is eager to talk to anyone who will listen, investigators, whether it's folks at the ag's office, he wants to tell them any information, and he wants to do anything to try to stop his former boss from staying at the white house. >> m.j., thank you very much. terrific reporting. very quickly. chris cillizza, rachel beta, when he's telling the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, what he's telling the attorney general in new york state, got to keep donald trump, the president of the united states, very worried. >> earlier this week the president tried to downplay
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michael cohen. can you look at the relationship. they were very close. this is an inner circle guy. the fact he is talking, the fact he has turned is problematic. paul manafort has suppose to investigators nine of the last 28 daze. >> and he made a talking part. unless you go out and vote you'll have two more years of chaos. i don't think anybody will show up and vote because michael cohen insisted. democrats have cash, and -- >> but it's interesting, m.j., she got him to talk on camera. pretty impressive development instead. there's more new, president trump taking criticism for saying he's too busy to visit troops.
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president trump is defending himself for not visiting u.s. troops overseas while in office. during an interview earlier in the week with the associated press, he was asked why he
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hasn't visited a military base yet, and he said, and i'm quoting the president now -- well, i will do that at some point, but i don't think it's overly necessary. i've been very busy with everything that's taking place here. joining us with moyer, historian michael beshlash, he has a new book, "presidents of war." thank you so much for joining us. president trump says he's very busy and as a result he hasn't visited with the troops. >> it's another place where president trump is departing from tradition. the best example was president lincoln. he said he didn't want to get too separate from the soldiers as a result of the decisions he made. lincoln said built the cemetery
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near my summer home. i want to be the graves being dug of the soldiers i sent off to die in this war. it will be very painful for me, but i want to be emotionally involved in the decision. >> my own sense is he hasn't visited, because he thinking those wars were a disaster for the united states. he says the u.s. never should have gotten involved in the middle east, and he would like to pull out, for all practical purposes. >> well, fine, but part of the job of a president, whether you like the war you're in or not, is to be involved with the soldiers who are waging it, and he really shouldn't there. >> let me get your thoughts as a presidential historian, last night the president joking about a u.s. congressman who acknowledged body-slamming a journalist, and the president making fun of that. from your perspective, what was your reaction. >> yeah, you know, maybe it was fine in front of a crowd, but a president encouraging violence, a president who has recently
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said over and over again that the journalists are the enemies of the people, especially in the wake of that atrocity in turkey, what happened to the journalist in istanbul was not the right time. >> how do you explain the president's timing? i think you're right. the fact that jamal khashoggi was apparently murdered at the consulate in istanbul, a contributor to "the washington post," somewhat a resident of the united states, a saudi citizen, and all the of a sudden a president is body-saleming a journalist. >> he got a great response, but you know, donald trump is a war president, just as lincoln was and franklin roosevelt was. what a war president does is unite the country the way he can. >> your book, "presidents of war" talk about this president, is he a president of war? does he see himself as a
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president of war? he's the commander in chief. >> he is, but it's just what you just said, wolf. these were not his wars, but the problem is that's not a choice for him to make. barack obama inherited the war in iraq. you certainly saw him going to visit the soldiers. you saw the same thing with richard nixon in 1969 inhearting linden johnen's vietnam war. there's so many similarities among the presidents you found in this book who waged large wars all the way from james madison to the president. a lot of them had breakdowns, a lot of them got religious. they all had strong marriages, but a president these days can get us involved single handedly overnight. that was not the way at the beginning of our country. >> thank you michael, "author of
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"presidents of war." thousands are trying to make their way to the united states. we're going to go there with a live report. our bill weir is on the scene. stay with us. ♪ daddy, mommy's on the phone! hi! how are you guys? ♪
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the northern border with the united states. our special correspondent bill weir is in the largest city in mexico, closest to the guatemalan border. bill, what are you seeing? what are you hearing? >> it's sort of a surreal scene, a cloudy day. the wind is blowing. the electricity in the air has been building for about the last half hour. we can hear on the guatemalan side of this border they're honking horns, the caravan of the folks moving north. we're going to get you pictures here shortly. i can see maybe 400 or 500 federal police officers on the mexican side. they set up barricades inside the gate fence. now they're literally closing and padlocking the penfence.
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we asked some of the officers what the plan was and they said they want to keep them off for now. but that could be overruled. we're in a real state of flux. we're not sure. we asked for a statement from the foreign ministry of mexico, they told us that the officers are here simply to ensure a safe and orderly and humane passage for all migrants that want, at least from the statement, to hopefully manage these people into an orderly process as they cross the border here right now. but if what the officers told us has any truth to it, they may try to stop them here and let this group cool off for a while. we're hear there's another caravan wave behind this one. this is a real obviously for president trump's policy.
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the new president-elect has taken a much sharmer stance on central american immigration saying the previous southern border strategy under president kn nieto, the new president wants to have a new economy and offer people jobs. at least for right now. this is a big test for the trump administration's influence down here. in the three months since they've stopped family separatio separations, the amount of families crossing has just surged. more than 16,000 in september, like an 80% jump. so they're coming in waves at this point, in record numbers. and this is the latest skirmish. now you can hear the chains are being locked. it looks like they just sealed
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the mexican border here. >> it's a tense situation. bill, we'll stay in very close touch with you. you'll keep us updated on all the late-breaking developments. bill weir is on the scene for us. there's startling new audio coming in from now a member of congress heard mocking women who were traumatized after unwanted sexual advances. you're going to hear the audio for yourself. a lot more. that's next. place, the xfinity xfi gateway.
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hello and thank you for joining me. i'm ana cabrera in for brooke baldwin this friday. we begin with major vaechl developments, involving two former associates of president trump. right now paul manafort goes before a judge this hour to find out when he'll be sentenced. more on that in just a moment. but first, trum