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thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. it is time to vote. i'm brian stelter. this is a special he had eggs of ""reliable sources" live from washington, d.c. with the u.s. midterm elections already well underway, more than 30 million people already voted and the polls open nationwide on tuesday. turnout is so high, enthusiasm is so high, the newsrooms are treating this like a presidential election. the networks are adding hours and hours of special coverage and covering nail biters from florida to california. so this hour, we are going to go behind the scenes with top editors and critics. we are going to ask how reliable the polls are this time around and what tuesday's big surprises could be. plus, with president trump holding rallies all over the country sinking to new lows with his lies and fear amongering,
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one of the busiest reporters in america will join me to break it down. daniel dale is a full time trump fact checker. there are three storylines heading into tuesday's midterm showdown. number one, this election is clearly a verdict on president trump. that's how it is shaping u. that's how it is being framed by the press. it is also being framed as the year of the women. so many female candidates running for office and so much activism and enthusiasm this year especially on the left. we will see how it translates on tuesday. the third storyline i would bring up are the kind of assumptions we are seeing from the talking head class assumptions how the house is going to swing and what is happening in the senate. i am wondering if we learned anything since 2016. let's start with the panel, david zer wick, eliana johnson,
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molly ball and nicole carroll, the editor in chief of u.s.a. today. molly, those three storylines i am talking about, am i getting those right? are there others you would add to the list heading into tuesday? >> i think all of those are about right. i think in terms of the issue set this is definitely an election that has shaped up to be about health care and immigration. but i do think those broad storylines pretty much capture what we are seeing. what has been interesting for me out on the trail is that although it is very clear that trump is the driver of all this turnout of all this enthusiasm of both sides being so galvanized on the trail you don't hear much about trump. you have republican candidates not really bringing him up unless they are in front of a partisan-based audience and democrats also not using this election to rile up their base about trump so much as trying to
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break through with more of the issue related arguments. >> he dominates cable news but he is not dominating the local races? >> i think he dominates voters perspectives. i think people are going to the polls thinking about trump but the politicians have tried to talk about other things. >> his closing arguments have been fear of immigrants, fear of the caravan and hate the media. hate the media. it is fake news. do you think that actually resonates with voters that turnturn ed -- that are going to turn out tuesday. >> i think it resonates with the base and the people at his rallies. i think hard the say, brian, about this, because of these incidents of violence and threats, real incidents in american life mount, i wonder how people more in the middle, independents and people like that -- it is hard to be -- if you are at all reasonable it is hard not to say that when the
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commander in chief, the president of the country, says things like enemy of the people and constantly attacks and praises people who are aggressive towards reporters at rallies -- >> right. >> it is not hard to feel uncomfortable about that when you see in real life people getting attacked and in some cases people being killed. i am not saying it is a quid pro quo link, link, link, but the climate is set by. that i think it is making people more uncomfortable. because they have to fear for themselves. they have the live in this america, too. >> the climate is owe hot. >> yes. >> it was thought that republican candidates would run against the media. are we seeing that? i am not seeing candidates bashing the media the way trump does every day. >> i think that's right. we haven't seen senate candidates or house candidates run against the media but we have seen them echo his message
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on immigration. he has inverted shimsz into the races. he has been an aggressive campaigner, wanted to go out on the campaign trail. i think the president raised the stakes of this election on himself because he put himself out there and injected issues that won the 2016 election for him into this mid terms and if they lose the house he is putting himself in the position of being blamed for those losses. i think republicans had a crisis of kids confidence in 2016 thinking that donald trump understood the voters better than they did. if they lose the house having campaigned on trump's issues, immigration, border security, against the media, they may regain confidence and think 2016 was a one off. we do know our voters. entitlements, the typical paul ryan-type issues are the ones that resonate and lose confidence that trump has his finger on the pulse of republican based voters. >> right now trump nationalized
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the mid terms. i wonder how you are resisting that at u.s.a. today trying to cover the local issues. >> we have 109 properties across the country. we are trying to get into the local races. to your point there is something every day we need to jump on and fact check, as one of the largest media companies we have a huge responsibility to make sure we get the truth out there as quickly and aggressively as we can. >> the idea there is so much hyper partisan content filling up facebook and twitter. you i think inned fact checking. you were doing that regarding george soros and others. how do you make the editorial choices. >> it is interesting. if you go after something too hidden you risk the fact of giving it oxygen. at some opponent it hits the mainstream. it is our responsibility to fact check it. we found that the george soros lie and found it started with
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one tweet and a handful of followers. it is a small thing that got large quickly. >> we are going to have a head of the soros foundation. >> to the extent that he is not a detailed follower of policy debates, he really is following all of these trends on social media. we have seen single tweets make their way into trump's speeches. jobs not mobs came from a single tweet on social media. same as you mentioned with soros. the president does follow social media in a way that i think previous presidents may have been attuned to policy issues. >> what have been the lessons since 2016, since the election that surprised so many people, an outcome that surprised so many people. molly are you seeing a more humble press, a sense of humility? >> i think so. i think even people who do still try to make predictions about what is going to happen, you hear a lot of caveats, less of
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the well the needle shows this and more of here's what it doesn't show, here's what we should always remember can happen about probabilities. i do think you hear less certitude because the big lesson from the press in 2016 was just we don't know what is going to happen until it has already happened. which is an eternal truth of the universe. we should have already known that. that's why i don't like to make predictions. because of that you do hear more uncertainty in all of the forecasts trying to communicate to readers look that is this is what we think is most probable but we actually don't know and there are a lot of possible outcomes. >> there are less people making predictions but there is consensus coverage isn't there? it is likely the house will flip. that kind of presentation of the consensus wisdom. >> i think we have to -- our job is to answer readers' questions and satisfy their curiosity about the thing they want to know. when you are covering an election the number one thing people want to know is who is
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going to win. we can't tell them that because it hasn't happened and he with need to be transparent about that fact all the time. but we also should be conveying to them the state of ow knowledge, whether it is based on professional forecasters, based on special elections and tea leaves that we have seen already, based on early voting and pollsters and so on. we are trying to communicate with readers we don't know what is going to happen but here is the information we have. >> i think we can signal there are going to be surprises we don't toe what they are going to be. they are going to be surprises a la cortez and her victory in new york. >> it is crazy to make predictions if we don't know because it is hurts our credibility and we have all of these people pondering our credibility. in maryland we have a race where the incumbent governor in maryland is up by 20 points in the polls, almost all the polls. nobody at the baltimore sun is saying this is a done deal, this
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is what's going to happen. we don't know. maybe the democratic challenger gets out the vote. he said it is all about getting out the vote on the day. four years ago i wouldn't have been so hesitant. now every third graph is if gellis is right and they do get out the vote. >> to your point on credibility look at this polling from 2016 to 2018 there is an increase, an improvement in people trusting or believing the press is trying to get it right. that is from a record low in 2016. it ticked up to 46% this year. still a low number but to your point we can improve our credibility try to make those numbers go up or they can drop either further depending on how the press is careful in assessing this election. one more element to this before we take a break. that's the celebrity factor. oprah winfrey campaigning in georgia, taylor swift endorsing tts in tennessee. it is going to be i think one of
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the storylines on tuesday is whether those celebrity endorsements matter that much. any sense about that? >> democrats have to contend with the celebrity factor that donald trump brings to the campaign trail. he was the ultimate celebrity in to 16. and he was able to make democrats who voted for barack obama cross over into the republican party. i think you see democrats like oprah winfrey, taylor swift and others trying to bring the democrats back into the tent the ones who crossed over. and trump still has his celebrity status he brings onto the campaign. i think we will see tuesday if those efforts will work, but that's what those efforts, to face trump's celebrity in 2016 and continues now in 2018. >> this is the first election since the women's march, since the harvey weinstein scandal,
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since the me too movement. >> i think there are going to be records of women voting. there are records running. it is all dependent on the turnout. we do need to be careful. >> coming up more from the panel all hour long. we will also talk about trump's lying and fear amongering on the campaign trail the last two days and whether it will have any effect on the polls. we will hear from a full-time trump fact checker. after the break. more obvious. t got a whole lt get more! only at t-mobile you'll earn unlimited double camiles on every purchase,. every day... not just "airline purchases". think about all the double miles you could be earning... (loud) holy moley that's a lot of miles!!! shhhhh!
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we are back on reliable sources of course talking about midterm time in america. trump continues to hold rallies every day, continues to repeat many of the same falsehoods and lies that we have been hearing especially regarding the caravan of migrants moving through mexico. of course there has been a lot of reaction to this. his hysteria and hysteria on the right about the caravan and a corn reaction, mockery on the left. here's what i mean on "snl" last night. >> a vicious caravan of dozens maybe millions of illegal immigrants is headed straight for you and your grandchildren. and that is not fear amongering. that's just the truth. >> trump is like a racist paul revere, the my gran are coming, the migrants are coming! >> but trump's words and lies are not a joke.
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sorry to be the pot of cold water here but this is serious. and i wonder how much the press is playing in to some of these lies. joining the panel now, danieldale washington correspond on the for the toronto star, a full time trump fact checker. and the author of the new book, enemy of the people. daniel, how are you doing it? you must be exhausted checking every word the president says. >> i am increasingly sleepy because the president is getting worse and worse. this is a big job. >> you made the point again and again that he is repeating the same things over and over again. it is not as if he is saying 100 different unhinged things a day. he is repeating the same lies over and over again every day. >> he is. that's part what have makes it easier as time goes on. because he is saying the same stuff he said in march 2017. what is different about this period, these months is that he has changed it up and introduced a number of whoers.
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complete fabrications that he had not been uttering before. these are not simply the usual exage rags with crowd sizes and stuff like. that he is making stuff up in the last weeks in a fact we have never seen about a serial liar the president before. >> you do this full-time, show does the post. i think we can show the post data, over 6 had been 400, false or misleading claims. you go farther, you say he lies more often dhan the "washington post" does. ? >> i think that's the more accurate word. i also afalse claims where we are not sure if the president is confused or doesn't understand the policy. but when he tells the "washington post" about the tariffs that he imposted don't exist? he says what tariffs? >> i think if we want to regain the trust that has been lost in media we have to level with readers. we have to be seen to be
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straight shooters. i think in those cases the word is lie. >> at the same time, eliana, you made the point to me off camera a lot of trump fans are in on his exaggeration. they know some of his what i think of as lies are just trump being trump. how do we square that circle? >> my first boss in journalism made the point the me assume that readers are smart. so the lies that are so obvious to us i think are obvious to most trump voters. they understand he is not a truth teller, that he is a serial exaggerator. yet they agree with him on some of the small grains. they understand his fibs about the caravan, exaggeration and fear amongering but they agree with the foin that he don't want the migrants in the country. i think that sometimes focuses on the lies and they don't focus on the smaller issues or the general sense of the issues that trumpet voers agree with him on. there is reason comprehensive
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immigration reform hasn't passed in the country the number of times it has been tried i think it is because republican voters don't agree with trump on these sort of small issues. >> daniel does that frustrate you as a fact checker? >> it does a little bit but i is he my role as conveying accurate information to people. that's what we do as reporters. it is not my job to change people's minds or make people not like the president. my role is to get facts into the public realm. i think we zo do a disservice when we reprint inaccurate claims without corrections and context. >> to the trump closing argument this midterm season about hating the media, marvin your new book is about the enemy of the people rhetoric. he ratcheted it up further. you can play me on a loop saying that. that's been true for two years. what is -- what stands out to you about this midterm strategy to attack the media? >> it is not only midterm. it goes back decades even to the last century. lies repeated often enough
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generally by despots are accepted after a while by the people as truths. if you are successful in conveying a lot of lies that become accepted as truths, they then act themselves out in the ballot box. there are going to be many people who have accepted the president's version of truth. and they are going to vote for it. i think that he knows that. he's been playing on that. this is a conscious policy. it is politics in the media age. >> jon stewart said this week trump bates the press. he makes it personal. journalists take the attacks too personally. do you agree with that? >> well, there are two issues here now. >> yeah. >> one of them is that a lot of the traditional people in journalist, daniel represents one of them, i think, is that you are not supposed to get involved in an argument with the president. your job is to cover the news and then move on. go home and have dinner and
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think about it. the next issue, however, raised by people like chuck todd at nbc, is that at a certain point, when the lies accumulate and the misrepresentations accumulate, and you realize that what you have worked very hard to do, namely get the story out to the american people, is simply misrepresented and it is wrong, and every now and then in the history of american journalism journalists have to stands u-- have to stand up. i think chuck is doing that right now and others have begun to do that and it is the right thing to do. enough is enough. >> one other thing sitting with daniel in the green room there is a political strategy of lying and lying and exhausting the people who are trying to tell the truth until it becomes normalized in a way. you know, we have the fact checkers at the "washington post," a team of will he and daniel at toronto -- how does it
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fall on these enterprises to have to fight back against all the resources of the executive branch of this government? >> you may lose. >> yes, and he has endless resource. at some point if we in the press becomes exhausted he wins. but it is a heroic effort that folks like daniel are doing -- when you see the post saying 6,500, whatever, he we in a way smile, but it is not funny. if he can exhaust the people who believe in facts and the truth, he will win. he has all the resources of the federal government. not just his pulpit in the west wing press room. but the epa changing, take documents off, taking away global warming documents. all of that is sat his disposal. and he is feeding all of that into our information ecosystem. and we are sitting with one of the few warriors here who goes to battle every day. i am surprised he had energy to get into this booth. >> i am all right. >> that's what we are seeing,
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bluntness on the part of reporters saying the word lie or this week saying the word racist a ad, the racist ad published by the trump campaign. i think frankly it was shown too much this week. but it is notable when the campaign tried to buy air time from cnn to buy this ad cnn said no. this is a racist ad it is not going to be sold -- we are not going to sell you the air time. describing it as racist, that's significant. >> it is huge. it is a bigger story, honestly -- i saw it today. and i thought wow i wish i had a piece of that. this is huge, that cnn said this is racist, said we are not going to take your money and don jr. tweeted whatever he tweeted. >> he was complaining about. >> complaining. yeah, no. that was a really great stand to take on it. we have to call him a racist and a misogynist when he says this things he says about women.
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>> you are going far there saying we have to call him a racist. look, somebody has to speak truth to the madness of lice. brian it was so institutionalized in the last couple of weeks that the republican members of congress, we all saw these stories, and cable news did a great job covering them, who had voted against the affordable care act from saying democrats were going to take away no preexisting conditions. that's institutional lying, where did they get that. from president trump. we have to stand up. >> you are running one of the biggest papers in the country. is it appropriate to say the president is stoking fear, lying. >> it is appropriate to tell the truth, the facts wherever they lead us. i want to bring up, you mentioned is the press taking it seriously. we have a list of people who have been threatened, we have
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reporters who have been doing their job telling the facts as far as the facts that we think should be on the front page and they are being threatened. that's more than take it personally, i think we need to stand up against that. >> if you remember the nixon days, i am old enough and you are not to remember this. during the nixon days we had an enemies list. it was a private list of people at the white house who knew who the bad guys were. and i was one of the bad guys. today it is a different thing. the president has with the power of the office institutionalized the word lie is a rough word. the "new york times" used it for a while last year and then backed off. daniel is using it now because he believes that it's -- when a lie is a lie, say it is a lie. the words themselves have enormous power in the social media world. and there is an extra responsibility on journalists because we are there for
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everybody to be very careful. and when you use the word, be absolutely certain that it is right. and that's one of the responsibilities of modern day journalism, please, get it right. but don't be afraid to get it wrong if necessary. >> stand by, everybody. quick break mere. and then how much faith can you put in the polls? we will have an inside look behind the numbers. how the polls really work, or don't work. right after this. hundred roads named "park" in the u.s. it's america's most popular street name. but allstate agents know that's where the similarity stops. if you're on park street in reno, nevada, the high winds of the washoe zephyr could damage your siding. and that's very different than living on park ave in sheboygan, wisconsin, where ice dams could cause water damage. but no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours. now that you know the truth, are you in good hands?
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people are wondering how much they can trust the polls they are seeing. and the president is actively telling them not to trust. >> if the fake news did a poll, they are called suppression polls. you know, polls are fake, just like everything else. >> they are not suppression polls but there is a story behind the numbers that you should know heading into tuesday. joining me now is harry enton, and margie owe marrow. i learned a lot watching the nooichlt doing the live polling. they are showing you all the poing as it comes in. one interesting thing to how many people don't answer the phone at all. you have to call 10,000 people just to get a few to responds to engage. this had been a problem for many years. you see land lined surveys and how hard it is to get people to
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cooperate. marge gee, why are we putting stock in the polls when it is so hard to engage? >> we are getting people who are voters. we are able to reach them and know something about their past voting behavior. polls are actually quite -- have been quite accurate in predicting a lot of the elections we have had so far. i mean we haven't had i think as many surprises as one might thing given all the conversation that we have sometimes about can we trust follows. the polls are doing a decent job. >> in 2016, the polls were not far off on a national level. some of the state polls were. >> exactly. one of the differences is we now spend more time looking at education. it is a big, important driver. i wasn't '16. it is certainly in '18. there has been lots of analysis that looks at how college educated women vote versus
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non-college educated men. so on and so forth. even how you ask the demographic questions matters. how many different answers you give in your educational attain men question matters. i think there are pollsters learning from '16 and adjusting accordingly. >> harry, a lot of especially elections held since 2016 have shown democrats outperforming the polls ahead of time. the virginia governor's race, the polls suggested he was more ahead. >> exactly. the thing that i would also point out is you had that slide up about the lower response rates. indeed if you look at the accuracy of polls dating back to 1998 the polls are as accurate now as they were then. >> okay. >> i think that's important to point out. despite the response rates falling the people we are getting on the phone are
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representative of the population at large when it comes to which way they are going to vote. >> this is all about turnout assumptions we have no idea how to forecast turnout. >> it is not whether or not we have no idea. it is an electorate -- the universe doesn't exist yet. some people don't know whether they are going to vita. >> it is a universe we don't know is going to exist, those who don't know they are going to vote. >> if we only knew what to ask we would know exactly who is voting and who is not. because people are giving their best estimate. i am excited about voting, look at my history, you can tell i usually vote. but maybe something happens that day and they don't vote or they get enough knocks on the door and they decide to vote even though they had a low propensity during the polling. but you are right it matters when you will be at early voting. the early voting shows a surge
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in turnout. does that mean there will be a surgeon election day? are those election day voters just voting earlier? we don't know the answer to that. >> what about the president repeats a lot that these are fake polls and they are designed to suppress the vote. >> i find it ironic who during his 20 is campaign was pumping the polls up showing him ahead. all of a sudden they don't show hmm ahead and they are fake polls. the way the public views whether the polling is accurate is whether it gets the election right or not. i am not sure that's fair. >> i have this feeling down inside that these polls are not capturing young people for example. am i just totally -- am i totally crazy to think that. >> now most polling outlets use a larger percentage of cell phone, you know, reaching foegs on their cell phones -- reaching
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folks on their cell phones versus land lines. some polls do thing on line where you reach more younger people. but there was a time when they didn't use cell phones and that loses the ability to reach younger people. we don't know how younger people are going to vote. >> that's why we have elections. >> harvard's poll shows they are going to turn out. that's going to make a difference in the results. >> as we are watching on tuesday night how should we be keeping polls in the back of our minds? >> i think we should keep in mind polls are tools. they are not necessarily made to be perfect. they come with margins of error. if we miscalculate who is going to turnout and vote the error could be signature conditionally larger than we expect. i have been doing forecasts for and people come back and say how are the mother-in-laws
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of the mail bombs last month and there is a conspiracy linking him to the migrant caravan coming as well. >> george soros we cannot underestimate. >> soros getting involved. federal money being used. >> soros is the biggest danger of the entire western world. >> joining us now, pat rig gas par. what does it fall like personally when you hear your group and your boss being talked about on fox? >> brian, thanks for having me on to correct some of these mistruths. it is demoralizing but it is knots paralyzing. we are determined to continue our work, standing up independent media, equal access do justice, and human rights throughout the world. no you know i will tell you what is frustrating. fox news has had the opportunity to have us come on to rebut some of the outrageous claims being made and refuse to have us on.
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>> old on. they refuse to have you on? >> refused. my colleagues reached out to say you had anti semites on lou dobbs show saying reprehensible things about george soros. let us rebut it. nothing. no opportunity to rebut. in the wake of the pipe bombs, the shooting at the synagogue we have seen continued demagoguery on the air including by members of congress like goldberg from texas and gates from florida. no opportunity for our foundation for for thoughtful americans to come on and rebut. as edward r. measuro told us -- >> are you blaming --? >> i am not blaming them for violence. i am blaming them for the toxic environment we live in. as edward r. murrah said during the mccarthy era no single
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person can terrorize an entire nation unless we are all complicit. i am calling out those people for not allowing people on for thoughtful honest discussion. someone on lou dobbs' show said some of the racist virulent things about george soros. they pulled down the segment, to their credit. now it is time to have us on to talk about this american patriot. >> seems logical to me. patrick, thank you for being here. the panel is back with me in washington. to be fair, there are conspiracy theories spread about right wing donors as well. addleson is the subject of liberal conspiracy theories. this is not a problem that only exists on the right. >> i just want to be clear i think what is being said about
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george soros is absolutely wrong, the subject of this right wing fear amongering. addleson is the subject of the same kind of fear amongering on the left. president obama made the same sort of remarks about the koch brothers. while the right wing was critical of both of those things i don't recall the mainstream media bringing the same amount of attention to it at the time. >> the same scrutiny. >> the same sort of scrutiny and attention to it at the time. ng it is owl wrong. they are kpiz exercising their right of free speech and if people have a problem with it they should change the law rather than demonizing people who exercise their rights to free speech as it exists. >> david, we know trump is going to be on sean hannity's show on monday. i would expect more of the same heading into tuesday. >> absolutely. remember sean hannity on the border with like bandalerros on
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a boat keeping immigrants out. this was a couple of years ago. i wrote about it. it was one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen. this is fever pitch time when hannity and trump talk about immigrants. he really thinks he has an issue here. he really thinks he has an issue and he is going to frighten people with it. look, we won't know until tuesday night. >> that's the fun. we talk about the power of consevertive media. i think there is potential for the liberal media. liberal outlets covering the candidates in democratic battlegrounds, molly, any predictions from you? >> i don't make predictions. >> no. >> as a matter of policy i don't. no. it is something i refuse to do for philosophical reasons and also ego reasons. i don't want to be wrong. >> that's the safest position. nicole, wrapping up, where will you be on election night. >> in the newsroom watching everything coming in. we are spending time looking at polling and people having access
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to the polls. we will be paying attention to the results. >> that's true. the press plays a vital role in looking out for voter suppression and fraud and send an begans happening at the polls. after a break, my concern for tuesday is about lack of information lack of news in places around the country. it is a problem with democracy. we will talk about it in just a moment. $40 dollar plan at verizon. the choice just got a whole lot more obvious. get more! only at t-mobile
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do you know what's on your ballot on tuesday? i mean, beyond the senate and house races? what about judges and state senators, county commissioners and ballot initiatives. who is covering those races? that's one of my big concerns right now, because local news keeps getting hollowed out. as advertising moves to the web and people move away from print newspapers, cutbacks and layoffs keep happen. that means fewer and fewer people are covering state and
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local races. fewer and fewer reporters are vetting the candidates and finding out what they really stand for. and it's especially bad when you drive like an hour or two out of the big cities. many rural areas are news deserts. meaning they lack a local newspaper or sources. this is a brand-new map of news deserts. an effort led by former newspaper executive penny abernathy. her research shows the u.s. has lost almost 1,800 papers since 2004, and others are ghosts, shells of their former severals. abernathy has a unique perspective because she not only studies news deserts, she also lives in one. she moved back to scotland county, north carolina, where she grew up. a rural part of the state near the border and when she came home, she saw the changes. regional newspapers used to cover her county, but not really anymore. i asked her about it and how it affects the midterms. >> the fayetteville paper has
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pulled out. the charlotte paper has pulled out. raleigh paper has pulled out. the only access i have is i have to look for it. something interesting happened as i was looking for information. i hit pay walls at charlotte, raleigh, and fayetteville. even though it -- even though i go looking for the information, it's still very, very difficult to access this information. >> so what can people do? well, they get lots of mail from candidates. they see lots of tv ads. but of course, that's only telling you what the candidates want you to know, then there's facebook where so much political discussion happened but it's full of repeating not reporting. repeating talking points and yelling at each other. at many communities, there's a void. that's a problem becoming more and more apparent every election season. as abernathy says, it's really a problem for democracy. you can hear our full podcast, our whole conversation with her through apple or any other podcast app. i hope you'll check it out. thanks for joining us.
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down to the wire. two presidents hit the campaign trail in georgia. >> the character of our country is on the ballot. >> that state will be in big, big trouble quickly. >> will georgia voters embrace president trump's message or will they flip the state blue. stacey abrams joins me next. >> plus, clousing arguments. president trump stoking fear to turn out his base. >> democrats want to totally open the borders.
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