thanks for joining us, the news continues next on cnn. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon, thanks so much for joining us. an extraordinary turn of events. at the white house today, the first lady melania trump forcing president trump to fire a top aide on his national security team. it all happened very quickly. early this afternoon the president took part in a cultural festival observed by many indians and southeast

asians. just over the president's shoulder was a deputy national security adviser. just a short time later, the first lady's office released this stunning statement of rebuke. it's a position of the office of the first lady that ricardel no longer deserves the honor of serving in this white house. well, tonight aides to the president confirm that she will be fired. and it turns out that she feuded with the first lady, her staff, over mrs. trump's recent trip to africa. one white house official accuses her of then leaking stories about it, during her first trip, the first lady said the following about her influence on her husband. and maybe she was telling us more about her role in this white house than we realize at the time. here it is. >> sources have told us -- sources in the white house, that you are the gatekeeper, that you tell him who he can trust and who he can't trust.

is that true? >> yes, i give him my honest advice. >> he's been in office now almost two years. has he had people that you didn't trust working for him? >> yes. >> did you let him know? >> i let him no. >> and what did he do? >> with some people, they don't work there any more. >> well, the firing of ricardel is likely the first of many to come. it could be an indicator of chaos inside the trump white house now. president trump is said to be ready to show the door to kirstejn neilsen. he's frustrated with her handling of his two major issues, immigration and border security. though he wouldn't answer questions about her today. >> thank you very much. >> mr. president, do you plan to replace secretary neilsen. >> are you -- >> are you planning to make a staff change at that level? >> and, of course, there's been long speculation -- there's long

been speculation that chief of staff john kelly's days are numbered in the administration, although the president would only say this, when asked about it last week. >> i haven't heard before john kelly, but no -- people leave. i'll tell you, there will be changes, nothing monumental from that standpoint. i don't think very much different than most administrations, and we have -- i mean, we have many people lined up for every single position. any position, everyone wants to work in this white house. we are a hot country. this is a hot white house. we are a white house that people want to work with. >> a hot white house. it's a hot white house, all right. but for a host of different reasons. and people may not want to work there because of what's likely to be coming down the pike. the l.a. times is reporting tonight it's sinking in for this president that he took a drubbing in the midterm elections and now he's becoming

bitter and resentful. democrats will soon take control of the house. they're likely to use their subpoena power to investigate the trump administrationand go after the president's tax returns. the mueller investigation, in the spotlight once again. more indictments may be coming. and the president has met with his lawyers to go over a series of responses to written questions submitted by mueller's team, those answers could be submitted as early as this week. and the president's barely been seen since returning from his weekend trip to france. did you notice that? he barely showed up to official events there, while he was there. but as usual, he is tweeting. today taking jabs at french president emmanuel macron who on sunday denounced nationalism, which trump promotes. he said it was a betrayal of patriotism. the problem is, emmanuel suffers

from a very low approval rating in france. 26%, and an unemployment rate of almost 10%. he was just trying to get on to another subject. by the way, there is no country that is more nationalist than france. very proud people and rightfully so. make france great again. didn't mention his own approval numbers, did he? the president also letting off steam over the krit soiccritici getting for cancelling a visit to an american military cemetery. aides blamed it on bad whether grounding his helicopter. but the joint chiefs are staff were able to get there. >> when the helicopter couldn't fly to the first cemetery in france because of almost zero visibility i suggested driving. secret service said no, too far from airport. speech next day at american

cemetery in pouring rain, little reported, fake news. okay about so let's take a look at president trump's claim there. we know he's not shy about making things happen the way he wants them to. and when he wants to go somewhere, he gets there. here's an example. back in june, he made sure he travelled in bad whether to a political rally in south carolina. he was campaigning for henry mcmaster. and he made sure the friendly crowd in trump country knew he would stop at nothing to get there. >> it was a little rock can i up in the sky tonight, i have to be honest. they said, sir, would you mind going back? would you mind if we didn't stop? i said, there's no way. we cannot stop. we're not going to do that. we're not going to do that for a man named henry mcmaster. we're not going to do that.

i wouldn't have the courage to call henry. henry, you know, i said i was coming, but i'm only kidding, it's raining out real bad, and we're not showing up. i wouldn't do it for you. >> i wouldn't do it to you many friendly crowd at a rally. for me. but what about the fallen? that was then, this is now. there's also a new headache for the white house tonight. because cnn is suing president trump and his top aides for barring our chief white house correspondent jim acosta from doing his job at the white house. officials pulled acosta's press pass last week. originally, the press secretary sarah sanders accused acosta of placing his hands on a female white house intern. she has since backed off that accusation. saying he refused to surrender

the microphone after asking his questions. by denying jim acosta access to the white house, cnn calls it refusal of free press. the landmark case, bush versus gore, that resulted in bush winning the white house. here's what he says about cnn's lawsuit. >> the first amendment is absolutely necessary. it is the public's window into what public officials are doing. journalists cannot be silenced, censored or intimidated, that's the end of the line. the white house cannot get away with this. >> a judge has scheduled a hearing for tomorrow afternoon. cnn is calling for acosta's press credentials to be restored immediately. so as you can see, we have a lot to talk about tonight. have we ever seen a first lady call for the firing of a top

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a top national security official leaving the white house after the first lady called for her firing. what made melania trump issue that unprecedented statement today, her office at least. i want to bring in mark preston, ryan lizza. we're talking about publicly, mark a first lady calling for the firing of an nsa official. have we ever seen anything like this? >> no, it's unheard of. it's not unheard of to see first ladies have considerable influence in the west wing, they just don't do it in such a public way. you look at hillary clinton during her years when her husband was in office. and nancy reagan was very influential during staffing in that administration. what is troubling is that

melania trump is weighing in in on a subject of such importance. and i'm sure juliet can talk more to that. the fact that she's weighing on that. and the west wing's press office had no idea she was doing this, goes to the heart of the chaos we're seeing in the west wing. don, we should note that this woman who was fired, or will be fired, is expected to be fired. she's not necessarily well liked within the west wing. she's clashed with the likes of jim mattis and john kelly. so she made some serious enemies at very high levels. >> i saw the things they were -- there were a number of people who were upset with her, how she acted on the trip, how she allegedly yells at people, reportedly yells at people, embarrassed the staff publicly and in meetings. >> juliet i want to get to you last, i want you to put a cap on this. the wall street journal is

reporting that ricardel is suspected of planting fake stories about melania. >> i feel like we don't have the full back story here. there was a major conflict between the first lady's office and ricardel over the first lady's trip to africa. it sounds petty, the trip was announced by mira before the first lady's office was ready to announce it. she didn't have a seat on the plane. that she threatened to pull resources from the trip. the series of slights regarding the trip seems to be the most recent cause of friction. and the question is, why did melania trump feel like her only recourse here was to go public. essentially pulling a donald trump, right? i mean, trump never -- obviously, he goes public with all kinds of things that most

presidents would never do. and let's remember, there's a long history of trump campaign officials at the very least going public, airing dirty laundry. intern internal back fighting. what was it that caused her to say, my only recourse here is to put out a statement? and i think that's -- you know, that's one question about this little drama. >> let me read this, this is from josh and phillip. in her role as number two, to national security adviser john bolton, she berated colleagues, yelled at military aides in white house. argued with melania trump regarding her recent trip to africa, and spread rumors about jim mattis, according to three current and two former white house officials. kelly sought for months to oust ricardel. and mattis has told advisers he wants her out as well.

with that said, why the public shaming. why not just fire her in private? >> it is shocking. these descriptions make her sound like donald trump actually. when i read that, that sounds like donald trump. he's allowed to be donald trump, she's not. if she needed to be fired, and in fact, i'm going to defend the first lady. if the first lady's office was disrespected by a staff member of the president. the first lady is a representative of the president, has every right to want her out. and there's a process for that, which is, because she's unaccounted for, she's unelected and essentially she is unqualified to make national security decisions, she goes directly to the person that got her to the white house, which is the president. this public shaming, though, is not -- it's not just embarrassing and shows the chaos, the outside world looks at all these decisions.

you have the first lady upset about a slight. in the scheme of world drama, you know, an airplane -- who gets to sit on an airplane is not a big deal. going publicly out to get out -- when we don't know if she's been fired yet, the number two of the national security staff, this isn't some political hack, this isn't some campaign person. this is number two. of the apparatus that guides america's safety and security. she has -- you have john bolton is essentially should be in charge here. he's been bypassed by this tweet. the outside world, let alone the agencies, that work in national security are looking at this thinking, i mean, just like donald trump wants his march with the -- he calls them his generals and wants a march. and jared kushner is wheeling and dialing. the trump family reviews the

national security apparatus as a reflection of their financial or personal dealings. and melania trump just did it today. maybe kudos to her for not being shy about it. i will say one thing. she's not been fired yet, this is just very interesting to me. there may be a fight going on about whether melania trump -- >> they're confirming to us that she will be fired. >> have we gone full kardashians here. except the stakes are a lot higher. >> no white house has acted like this. >> i think the kardashians are a bit more coordinated than this white house, right? well, anyway, that's a whole other show. let's go -- mark, i want to talk about this, another bit of reporting i want to talk to you about. washington post, the president's paris trip. trump was furious, he was berating theresa may on the phone, and berating his chief of staff's office about the fallout from not attending an american

cemetery. what does this say to you? >> he's incapable of taking criticism. when you're the commander in chief and the leader of the free world. have you to take some criticism. >> are you saying he can't take criticism? >> that's part of the job. isn't part of the job taking one for the team. taking the punch and being able to move on and trying to do something better. >> isn't it also having self-awareness? he was berating theresa may on the phone, right? he doesn't have to do that. he's berating his chief of staff over the fallout from skipping the ceremony, didn't he have the final call on whether he could go to the ceremony. and also was upset about macron. he had every chance to meet with macron and talk to him. and win him over. do whatever it is, shun the he be mad at himself? >> i'm fairly certain right now,

world leaders do not want to go out and deliver blistering speeches against the white house, when they know in the end it's only going to cause them more of a headache. it's gotten easier for them, over the past few months, he's alienated our staunch allies, all throughout the world. if you want to put it under one basic terminology, is that it is just pure narcissism that donald trump is really fueled off of. and that's why we see him act in these very irrational ways, which are very scary given his position of power. >> i'm out of time, ryan, i want to get you back in one more time, this is what douglas brinkley is quoted as saying. he's a bull carrying his own china shop with him whenever he travels the world. what's the white house going-forward if you will? >> things get worse. it does not get better in terms of him being more presidential. and i remember white houses when the daily reporting was about

how the president came to a decision, and he had a bunch of policy advisers around, and the reporting would be about a great debate about an important issue. everything in this white house is petty intrigue. everything is him getting mad at something he saw on television. >> and lashing out. >> when is the last time you saw some reporting about some big policy decision he made. it's like he -- what he considers being president is very different than previous presidents. >> thank you all, i appreciate it. >> thanks, don. cnn is suing the administration for barring jim acosta from doing his job. one of the president's favorite fox news analysts predicts cnn is going to win the case. ery five hundred years, right? fact is, there have been twenty-six in the last decade. allstate is adapting. with drones to assess home damage sooner. and if a flying object damages your car, you can snap a photo and get your claim processed in hours,

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joining me is bill newborn and bill burton. we requested republican press secretaries, none of them took us up on our offers. let's talk about this, burt. i want to go to you first, you were part of a lawsuit that cited in this cnn complaint as precedent in this case. federal judge granted cnn a hearing foam in the lawsuit against president trump over jim acosta's press credentials, this comes down to press freedom and process. >> this is an important case, this is not just something for trump to beat up on the press and the press to beat up on trump. there's a very important principle at stake. the principle is the role of the press as news gathers in a free society. if the government can shut the ability of the press down to cover events, then the government can manipulate what people hear.

you can't keep them out of courtrooms, out of congress and you can't keep them out of the white house. >> you said the chances are for cnn -- >> i think the kwhachances are . first, at a minimum, the appeals court for the district of columb columbia, held way back in 1977, you cannot strip someone of press credentials, without giving them a full hearing. >> you said this has been ruled upon before? >> yeah, jim cheryl who was the correspondent for the nation was denied press credentials in 1977, it was a tougher case. the secret service said he was a physical threat to the president. and even under those circumstanc circumstances, the d.c. circuit held you can't do it without giving him a hearing, because there's an important free speech right. that is for the people to be able to count on the press to be their investigative arm. >> bill, let me bring knew here. sarah sanders claims cnn is grandstanding by suing.

the administration is going to vigorously defend itself. the white house cannot run an orderly and fair press conference when a reporter acts this way. if there is no check on this type of behavior, it impedes the b ability of the president, the white house to conduct business. no doubt there were outlets or reporters that you and the president didn't like. but you didn't take their passes away, did you? their press pass? >> well, it wasn't even about who you liked and who you didn't like. there are plenty of people who -- on a personal level you may have a good relationship with, when they were in the briefing room, they were very tough. jake tapper from cnn is one of those reporters. he was tough every single time he was in a press conference with president obama. john carl from abc, savannah guthrie, april ryan. a lot of reporters came in there and were tough with the president, with robert gibbs who

was my boss at the time. or me when i was at the podium. that's part of the job. you can't get the kind of answers that the american people deserve without being tough on the person who's answering the questions. and froonkly, were it not for them to be so tough with us, they wouldn't have the credibility now to be in that pressroom and say, no, this is the standard, this is how we are with all presidents. and you can't kick them out, as the courts have already ruled. i do think cnn has a strong case. and this white house is in trouble for yet another wherein. >> it's interesting the people who are seasoned white house correspondents. april is still there, one of the deans of the press corps, she's been there for two decades or more. and she's getting similar treatment -- he even mentioned her when he just -- out of the blue, when he was talking about jim acosta when he mentioned taking his press credentials. burt, i have to ask you, the only aren't secret service could

remove a reporter who is a physical danger to the president of the united states, i want to play this, this is judge napolitano, what he's saying about this lawsuit. watch this. >> acosta may have been an irritant to the president, he was hardly a danger to him. i think cnn's got a very good case. i think this will be resolved quickly. i don't expect a jury trial. i think it will either be settled or cnn will prevail on motion. >> what do you think? frequent defender of the president, by the way. >> yes, i know, i'm now nervous because i'm agreeing with him. i don't think this is a particularly complicated and difficult case. there is a hearing tomorrow afternoon at 3:30, the federal judge scheduled it on an accelerated basis. it's a temporary restraining order, but essentially it could be the whole case. if they restore acosta's press credentials, i don't think we'll

hear anything more about it, i don't think the government will appeal it. the hearing is at 3:30, and there's a very powerful argument to be made that the president simply -- if he wants to hold a press conference, then it's got to be a press conference. >> he's got to take the tough questions. >> if he wants a kept group of people that will do whatever he wants he can just go to fox. if he wants to hold a real press conference where people hold his feet to the fire, he can't get petulant and say, get out of my white house. you turn the microphone off if you don't want to talk to someone. you don't send some poor intern after the microphone. >> sam donaldson was an irritants to presidents. i'm sure there were presidents

who wanted to turn them away. do you remember when reagan said, i paid for that microphone. there are moments like that. we're talking about the removal of the microphone. this is distorted video of sarah sanders, she tweeted this out. she said, it didn't show the whole back and forth, it appears edited. this is from infowars. >> yeah, well, this is from infowars. this is the actual exchange, instead of this sped up and repeated. watch this. >> there are hundreds of miles of way, though. >> you know what -- >> that's not an invasion. >> i think you should let me run the country, you run cnn. and if you did it well, your ratings would be much better. >> if i may ask one other question -- >> go ahead. that's enough. that's enough. that's enough. >> the other folks -- >> pardon me ma'am, i'm -- >> excuse me, that's enough. >> i have one other question, if i may.

>> so bill, what sanders tweeted omitted acosta saying pardon me ma'am as well. it's troubling that sarah sanders, someone who is paid by the taxpayers, tweeting out an altered video with misleading information. >> well, you know, when we were in the white house, we were so concerned about any half thought or idea being misconstrued as being untruthful at all. this white house as a matter of form, is lying every single day, this is just the latest example of it. i would point out, don, that one thing worth noting here is that president trump has created the chaos in these press conferences. president obama, president george w. bush before him, president clinton. what's happened in the era of the modern press conference. the president comes out with a list of reporters he's going to call on. it rotates through some large outlets, small outlets.

you call on 12, 14, sometimes 20 or more reporters, depending on how much time you have. the president would look at the list, call on the reporter and you would have this orderly exchange about and even in that process, you would have reporters like a jake tapper or john carl or folks like that, chuck todd, they would still be insistent and press, and it would be tough questioning. but you didn't have this chaos of everybody's hands going up, and saying, me, me, me, me, me. president trump has decided instead of having any sort of order whatsoever, he's happy to come out, create this chaos, create this situation where there's no rules or reason, really. and as a result, you have a lot more reporters shouting a lot more questions and he could have resolved this himself by just bringing some more order to what he's got going on in there. but he decided to go a different way because that's his way. >> i'm out of time, did you want to get a last word in? >> this is part of a trump campaign to essentially make the

press unreliable. so one of the things that i'm afraid of here, is he wins either way. there will be a court order restoring acosta's press credentials and trump will take that to his base and say, see, you can't even trust the courts. >> you got it. >> he's got us in a box. the only way to resist him is to resist him on principle, which is what cnn is doing. >> you're a smart man. >> so are you, bill. you're a smart man about. >> thanks, don. >> thank you, guys, i appreciate it. melania trump isn't the only first lady speaking out. oprah interviewing michelle obama tonight, you don't want to miss this. >> welcome michelle obama. ♪ you ok there, kurt? we're about to move. karate helps... relieve some of the house-buying... stress. at least you don't have to worry about homeowners insurance. call geico. geico... helps with... homeowners insurance?

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former first lady michelle obama kicking off her book tour at chicago's united center with oprah just a short time ago. she spoke candidly about a number of topics and about leaving the white house. >> i only say that a house is a house. and what we -- what you bring to the home is what makes it a home. and how we lived in that home was what i remember most. and people asked, do i miss the white house? no, i don't miss the house, because we took what was important in that house with us. and it is with us many it's family, it's values, it's the friendship. so the house is beautiful. and it's historic, and it was an honor to live there. but the people in it make it what it is.

>> all right, michelle obama. joining me now is anita mcbride, the former chief of staff to first lady laura bush. and douglas brinkley. good to have both of you on. anita, both first ladies are in the news tonight, michelle obama and the first lady now melania trump. just yesterday we heard michelle say she offered help to melania at any time, as laura bush had done for her, melania had not reached out. today melania's office released a statement calling for a national security official to be ousted. were you surprised by that? >> here's one thing i know about a first lady and a first lady's office. they have enormous influence in the white house. full stop, that's just how it is, so was -- what i think about it, though, is that it certainly laid down the mark if anybody had any question about mrs. trump's influence in the white house, or how she wants to do

things. and be the independent thinker that she said she is, she made that pretty clear today. i think to have an influence on a national security decision, that's out of the ordinary for sure. >> you think about it, the former first lady, hillary clinton -- i mean, she was criticized a lot, because people thought she had influence, remember? we all remember that, what she went through, right? >> well, she had an office in the west wing, she was in the heart of it. >> right. i think you're right, to think that a first lady doesn't have influence on her own husband, that would be just ridiculous. >> or the white house. and the staff. >> exactly. >> douglas, what do you make of the first lady's involvement in the expected firing of mira ricardel. is it appropriate for the east wing to be weighing in on something like that, publicly? >> well, i was surprised that they're just so transparent about it, it reminded me when

nancy reagan was furious at donald regan white house chief of staff, he had the tenacity or gaul to hang up on her. nancy reagan made it clear he's gone. she didn't make a public statement herself. in this case, melania trump seems to have soiled her africa trip that went fairly well. now this is going to be part of what's going to be seen as a trip to africa that went awry a bit. >> i forgot about that, the velvet glove. >> i was a young staffer in the white house when that happened. in the personnel office seeing the one sentence resignation coming in from don regan, she had asked george h.w. bush to fire don regan. she wasn't happy with how he was supporting the president, or lack of supporting the president. the minute the hangup phone call

happened, that was it, it was over. >> there you go. this is another portion from the event tonight. this is the former first lady michelle obama on what it's like to raise their daughters in such a formal atmosphere. >> how do you make this normal for children? you know, because malia and sasha were -- >> 7 and 10. >> thank you for that. you know, i won't hear the end of that. mom didn't even know how old we were. they were young. and we were figuring out, how do we keep them grounded. the first thing we thought, they cannot -- when we're having pancakes in the morning, it's crazy to have a man with a tuxedo come in. you have some little girls at a sleepover and you're bringing in some water. so we cancelled the tuxedos, it's like, take those tuxedos off, wear some polo shirts and slacks, unless we did something formal, we just sort of loosened

it up a bit. but other than that, the white house does feel like a home. >> so moving into such a historic home has got to be douglas been adjustment process for any family, for any of the first families. they were the first african-american family, even more so probably. >> well, you know, i got a chance to read michelle's first rate memoir, she really dotes on both of her daughters a lot. and talks about what it's like to raise them in the white house. it reminded me of laura bush. laura bush and michelle obama were tremendous mothers who protected their girls from the media glare. that's hard and you have to love it, when both laura bush and michelle obama put being mom first. it comes out in both of their books. laura bush has spoken from the heart and becoming of michelle obama. and, you know, there's always a feeling of worried about something strange in michelle

obama's memoir, she tells us about a nightmare she had of zoo animals going on the white house lawn and they accidentally shot a tranquilizer gun, they hit one of her daughter. in her people with a, she tells of this dream, but it tells you how nervous she was, with people bringing the zoo to the white house lawn in her dream. >> she talks about when they drove in front of the white house, and someone shot at the window. >> say what you want to say about both of their husbands, they're both classy women. >> they are. and i was there, that first day michelle ever walked into the white house, when the customary visit between the outgoing first lady and the incoming first lady. mrs. bush took her on a private tour of the residence. they spent an hour or more with each other, and that was the basis of their conversation, it was laura bush assuring michelle obama that she could raise her daughters there. and that it will be a home.

and that -- yes, it is different than any home you'll live in, but you can make it a family place, and what laura bush did do, which was -- the first time that i remember -- i ever heard this had happened. she asked her to come back and bring her daughters and bring her mother, who the president's mother-in-law, that was going to be living there. and so that they could spend an evening. she asked barbara and jenna to come down and take the girls through their new house. so they could see it through their eyes. and that was, i think again -- that had -- it was not an easy campaign in 2008. with as much running against george bush as it was running against john mccain. at the time of transition, it's a peaceful transfer of power and everything changes. and the new occupant comes in, and you make it home for them. >> that shows you, classy, class. money doesn't buy that. >> no. >> thank you both, i appreciate

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